I've seen them all.

Really hard to say which of these is the worst.
But the delete all old art one is pretty bad.

I've been guilty of the bottom left. But as a commercial artist, I believe a portfolio should represent only your best and most current art lol. No one wants to hire you if your gallery is full of artwork that is five years old.

Yes, but for a lot of artist one FA, their art is porn, who wants to hire a porn artist?

Part of my art is porn. Everyone hires a porn artist; take it from someone making a full-time living off of it.

Okay then.
I guess we can each have our opinion of this then.

Of course! Personally, I think the deleting everything, whatever the reason, is the worst. It shows immaturity and lack of stability which is detrimental to your professional image. And nothing annoys me more than an attention seeker. At least there are some actual concerns for removing old artwork; there's just simply no good reason for deleting everything just because you're sad, angry or depressed.

And at least, if the artist is only deleting old work, you can still see their work. With artists who delete everything, you have to guess whether their gallery will have anything in it, depending on how they feel. :/

I understand the whole if they delete their old pics, you still get to enjoy their new work.
I guess it's for me personally, I don't even like deleting so much as one picture.
But yes, some people will just arbitrarily delete everything for no good reason, it's really sad...

For me, it was...

>Butthurt guy keeps harassing me for two years, obsessively ban-evading in chains.
>Delete everything and watch said guy freak out over my disappearance.
>Doesn't care about views anyway.

Okay then, sounds pretty crappy to deal with.

Yeah. I couldn't believe that a guy getting butthurt over insulting his taste in games so badly he'd harass you for years would exist... Jeez, it looks like there ARE people with no life.

Well it just sounds like trollish behavior to me.

I don't think trolls have the patience to spam you and go on and on and on and on nearly every day to anybody nearby about how much he hates me for two years even though you just ignore and report him.

Okay then, I guess he just had problems.

Underage?

I almost did #4 in several occasions though not to get attention i just think I'm wasting space :/

Hey, there is always someone that like an artist/writer.

I realize this now but sometimes it's difficult especially for someone that has a lot of issues irl. In FA sexual art is extremely popular, so to me it was really painful getting 20 views on a drawing that took me 3 days and i put a lot of work on then i doodled some penis in 4 minutes and it got 300 views in 15 minutes. Basically that made me feel like artwork effort was meaningless (unless you're an art God), and anyone that can draw a half assed porno will get their art appreciated

That's about how it is.
Call me a whore but most of what I draw IS hyper male and herm stuff, and I don't draw clean stuff as I know how little people care about it.

So I can understand how painful such things are.

Take what I do, I put tons of work into a picture of a character noone cares about so it gets little attention, make a symmetrical picture of a character everyone loves, put little effort into it, and it gets TONS of faves.

So I know your pain.

I like porn like everyone else, but there's more than just that to enjoy. It's funny cause my rl friends don't really like porn but online no one cares about my clean art. So I either have to deal with that "draw for yourself" bullshit or end up not drawing at all cause there's just no motivation bleh. I'm sorry i'm over-ranting x.x

That's okay, we all need to rant sometimes.

I guess it's like the stupid meme sayd, "*puts on some sunglasses* Deal with it" Sometimes that's all you can do.

im a victim of "work semi-hard on picture, make Big mistake and delete it, then forget to fix it."

Well that is understandable, and there's not really anything wrong with that.

Seen them all. Hate them all.

It is pretty annoying.

i cant even find the delete button... alot of my posts are broken links :/

The FA Control Panel, "manage submissions" you can deal with that there.

thx that was usefull :>

You are very welcome. =3
I help where I can.

ther all cute <333

Hehe, thank you.

I think a combination of all 4.

I'm sure there are some people that are a combo of all four.

Bottom left may just be the worst.

Well as I said to someone above, there ARE people who do like those old pics.

Could move them to scraps, it will put it out of your main gallery.

The counterpoint is the entitled viewer who believes they have a privilege to see an artist's work, even if said artist is uploading it in good faith on their own volition.

While spurious deletion is annoying, its also not great when 'fan-guilt' is applied. "But you owe it to your fans!!!" "You need to keep this art up because people want to see it!" et cetera. Conflating a nice thing to do with an obligation. Furry art fans can be pretty expectant about what they 'deserve' at times

Not that I don't agree that some people make it a silly thing with their constant deletion and restores - but most of the time it seems to a reflection of internal struggles. Some people are just dramatic and jerks, but if the issue is personal shit, I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.

But I think there is a better question here, how does deleting art make things better for the artist? It in fact COULD make things worse as you have the rabid fans breathing down your neck.

Assuming artists wants fans over people that they could feel better sharing things with and understand each other. One of these two are prone to become friends, the others acts entitled toward the artists. :B

Journals are good for that.
Not every fan will behave in a poor manner.

From my experience, fans always are acting as if an artist is their bitch. And it's shallow to think only journals should be for that sort of interaction. It just proves my initial point about fans.

Well I guess it's a matter of finding a balance.

No two minds are alike, some want to post a picture and get 100+ faves, some just want to post art, it's just finding what makes you happy I suppose.

Well, some people want to control or set a specific image for future buyers (Like it or not, as soon as you add money into the art equation, marketing becomes a factor.). Some people change their mind about particular preferences. Some people want to hide certain material after a backlash. Some people use it as a statement...All of those might cause 'better' states for the artist if it sets their goal. But really, its not necessarily a question of better or worse. It's just a persons decision on what they want to do with their own created material.. Sometimes we might say the decision is bad, but...its their own stuff. They can do what they like with it.

I agree its a shame when people do that - delete for what I see as a pointless reason. But in the scheme of things, its their stuff and their choice. I personally don't like getting berated on things I choose to do ("You played that game instead of the new one? You must be dumb?" "You ate at that place?" "You wrote about furry stuff rather than doing something productive? Whats wrong with you!", etc, etc), so I tend not to want to do it to others even if the result is one that will negatively effect me - Unless I have some stake in it, that is.

And, yes, fans might stalk, but if you pull up on FA and block everyone, one will probably cut many of them. And the stalkers are bad no matter what one does. One just has to try and be persistent.

I think I've seen the "trash old art" one most.

I hate when an artist deletes their pics, but the "old trash" one I think is the worst. I think it's a good idea to keep your old pics you people have a "then and now comparison."

Like the old saying goes: How do you know where you're going if you don't know where you've been, right?

Very good point.
I for one am proud to have my old pics in my gallery as it DOES show how much I have improved. =3

Same here. ^w^ If I ever improve to the point where I'm taking $50 commissions, I'll still keep my "looks like a 3 year old" drew it stuff up. XD

Indeed so, and there is nothing wrong with that.

most of the time i dont comment on stuff because i dont know what i would say
and im sure you wouldnt like another genaric "cool" or "funny!" comment lol

I see all except the bottom right the most often. XD

For the most part me as well.

Hmm...I think the ones that bug me are the combination of the two right side ones. Sad/wants attention BAAAAWWWWLEEEEET. X..x urgh. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some legitimate reasons for things, but other times not so much. I do realize that it's the artist's prerogative to delete things they are no longer associated with, or had a traumatic experience with, or hell, even their own galleries.
Just because they have the right to do so, doesn't mean you have to be happy about their decision, I don't think. Then again...there's limits to what's considered one's right to be angry...and then going into troll/stalker/creepy fan mode....buuuh... *shivers*

Anyways I'm rambling XD The picture's funny and pretty well done :3

And I do know that there can be good reasons to deleting pictures, and that's not what this picture is about.
And yes, the two right side ones combined can be very annoying.

And lastly thank you, it was fun to make. =3

Yep, I've seen all of them. They all irritate me just the same.

I think a lot of people can find deletion of pictures irksome.

not a single one would really bother me cuz i know if its been on fa for at least a day its findable on teh internet xD lol its just tracking said pic that blows

If I ever feel the need to get rid of stuff from my gallery, I'll just move'em to Scraps

If only more people did that.

Personally, the stuff I wrote earlier didn't get enough attention. However, it's getting too much attention that would aggravate me.

Haha this made my day! I've used to have a friend who did this... a lot :x

I'm glad you liked it.

I guess some people don't think about their actions.

Seen all of 'em. Some I can understand folks doing stuff like this but most of the time I wonder if they could of just put their gallery in scraps and started over with the main gallery as their 'serious new' stuff.

As I said in the comment just above here, some people don't think of their actions.

And I too understand that people DO have the right to deleting their pics, but come on.

All of the above. Lol, furries.

If I had things to be deleted, it would be the delete old trash face for me.

BEtter Artist and sad face. It's really annoying.
A better artist just stops caring and the sad artist just deletes stuff. Told you about one guy like that, didn't I? He now also goes all emo, but he writes in his profile that he tends to delete his whole gallery and art collection. So it's not like he thinks it's bad or he'll try to fight against it, he just does this.... and we have to deal with it

And yet there's a few people here in these comments that defend the attitudes these people have...

Seriously? ... I used to be like this, but I've never deleted anything like this. But either-way I've changed now, I'm more confident and stronger, things like this don't get me down so much, I've evolved, I've changed, I've improved.... and it's wrong of me to do that?

Or are they saying that those people are talented artists so we don't have a right to complain? I'm sorry, but as much as I like the thought of "a creator bring a superior person to a jackass who just sits on his ass doing nothing", this is taking it way too far. He posts something => he has to take responsibility for it.

I guess so. But just look at the comments of Xaxoqual and EddytheOkapi, they defend the idea of deleting pictures.

I guess one for instance I think up for this is as follows;
Let's say in real life you make a piece of art, the medium it is in does not matter. Let's say you are given permission to put your work in an art gallery. Well then you become one of these four faces, does that give you the right to go to the art gallery and remove your art from it? Wouldn't that seem rude to the people looking to enjoy your art?

I agree, if people don't care about fans or people even watching their stuff, then why do they upload pictures to begin with? Why do they create a profile?

That's a point I have thought with some things.

Like how some people don't respond to ANY comments, why upload pictures anyway.

Perhaps it's just the thing with commissions. They want to earn money. It frustrates me, cause we admire the artist and they don't upload commissions themselves, they just let the commissioner upload it to their gallery. I hate that. How am I suppose to know he/she drew this sort of thing?

I know, that is irksome, especially to those of us that prefer to fave the artists posting of a picture.

I'm not of that part, but even so, it's frustrating

Indeed.

Yeah it annoyes me.

All of the bloody above.

You forgot "Start a new account, delete old account and put up all pictures on new one".

Yeah, I am sure there are much more faces, but these were the ones I thought of at the moment.

And yes, that one is so stupid, JUST LEAVE EVERYTHING ON THE OLD ACCOUNT!

A case for the bottom left: On deviantArt I have often been tempted to delete most of my old work, simply because it is embarrassingly bad and I no longer wish to be associated with it. I'm too lazy, of course, but I would if I had the energy. Where's the harm in that?

Well no two point of views on this will see eye to eye.

I think I said it to a few people in these comments, there are some people that DO like that old stuff.

Would it be considered an achievement (obviously not the good kind) that I did three of the four in one go (albeit instead of nobody pays attention to my art/delete for attention it was nobody paid attention to me as a person/delete because I was legitimately trying to leave)?

However, now that I've become at least a little more mature about things, if I did in fact leave or take a long hiatus (which I actually did for a six month stint earlier this year), I wouldn't delete anything, and probably wouldn't even leave a journal about it...Not like anyone reads my journals anyway. >.-.>;

I'm not really sure what to say to this.

But I do know how it feels to have journals ignored.

Don't worry about it. I get that reaction quite often. ^.-.^;

I think that if I got even one or two people replying to journals most of the time I'd be okay with that, but it's like it doesn't matter what I say, whether it's asking what my watchers want me to draw to positive or negative life events to even just things about me that I would like to share. Really, the only way I can get much response is if I am a total troll, which I have done my best to stop doing since it's immature and doesn't get a positive response.

We all have problems with that. I post journals acually trying to ask for help and NOONE can help me.

I ask people to comment more on my pictures and they create excuses.

Things just suck.

I've seen everyone but the last one, I think. At least in the third case, people have been nice enough to say, 'Hey, I'm deleting my old work, you've got till [date] to save it.'

Yes, but more often then not the artist will simply delete without warning.

Might just be the people I watch then. The majority of the delete without warnings have been either due to people complaining about their work, or the artist being in some sort of mood. Either way, it's irritating.

Yeah, to me arbitrary deletion of pictures WITHOUT GOOD REASON is on the top of my FA related hate list.

Especially when it was a picture you like, but you forgot to save it, and no one else did. So it's gone forever. :I

Exactly, and the artist is being a jerk and won't send it to you.

Nope. Especially when they just up and disappear. *Sigh* Two artists I watch have done this, and I've missed 2 pieces I either hadn't seen and would have liked, or a piece I did see, but didn't bother saving.

Yeah, I mean like some of the people say it IS their art and they ARE free to delete it, but shouldn't they at least care a little about the fans?

While they should, they are free to do what they want with their art, as they did do it. But I agree they should be considerate of their fans, at least.

Exactly.
I mean it's US that make them what they are basically. Any form of popularity, anywhere from 10 watchers to 10,000 is thanks to US being their fans.

I never understood the whole rage/depression delete anyway. But then again, I'm not popular, and I doubt I will be.

There's no way of knowing. Some people will defend that point of view, but ultimately in my eyes it's wrong.

Scraps folder!
When I'm feeling overly sensitive and/or dramatic, I'll shuffle any drawings that currently offend my sensibilities into there. If said pictures are old and not representative of my current work, it's super easy to ammend the description to point this out.

The only problem there is expecting people to either look in Scraps or read submission info.

Indeed so.
But when people get iffy they just delete pictures without so much as a care in the world. >_>

Then we are in agreement. Being a big ol' drama mama is no good.

haha, and what's with that shifty expression?
I've not said or done something daft, have I?

No, the expresion is epressing my distaste for those that do not think about what they do.

My face = ._.

*deletes things I don't like etc*

I see. Well my face when someone deletes their whole gallery is rage. D=<

I grunt in disdain but I don't make a big deal about it, perhaps send an unhappy face emoticon to the person who wiped their gallery or whatever~

Well I certainly don't baww or go drama llama about it. I just make stupid pictures like this.

Ahh, okay then. But if you keep doing stuff that is what counts. =3

THIS is why I save so many pictures to my computer, especially when I suspect the person is a lower left "elitist" type. I also do so when I suspect an artist is "going commercial" and privatizing their work or putting big fat watermarks on their stuff. (which technically I might be doing myself soon. Still up in the air though)

I don't believe I have ever encountered lower right though.

Yeah, it is an annoyance to see people delete stuff.

And I am sure the lower right one exists out there.

It is annoying in more then one case:
1. There is also the people who go morale and no longer want to draw "dirty" pictures and DELETE everything!
2. There are also artists who no longer want to draw at all and DELETE everything!

I have not seen those two, but I do know they exist. And that is just being cruel to your fans.

I have some legit, objectively shitty art on my old deviantart account, but I never delete anything, because then at least people might be able to get a laugh out of how shitty they are.

Okay, that's an interesting way to look at things.

OH MY STARS!
How many've forced you to go and delete some good stuff!?

I have not deleted a single picture. This is called satire.

Satire?

Satire: A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

Oh my god!
You must've had the worst encouners with some nasty people huh?

Not really. I just wanted to post some funny stuff.

Oh.

And looking through the comments a lot of people enjoyed this picture.

I say.
Well, I better go now ok.

...the first 3.

Do you hate them, or have you seen them?

I have seen them.

Everyone has. Hard to say which is the most annoying.
Maybe the "old art" one.

I say the 'mad' one. The 'sad' one diverts my attention to the artist. The 'better' one just makes me mutter 'Fanna'(1).

(1 = I played a lot of Persona Sin.)

Ahhh, okay then.
In any case they are annoying.

... I swear, its good SOMEONE was givin' a shot at those people. I think the biggest difference between tolerable and annoying ones is how much of a warning they give and how soon before they delete it all.

To those artists; THAT SH*T IS JUST ANNOYING! >XO

Indeed so.
And just look through the comments, there are people who defend those who delete.
I mean, if they gave a 2 week warning okay, that's there business to delete them, whatever. But to just do it and then post a journal "Yeah, I deleted everything, you mad?"

the biggest offender for this wasnt actually an artist. I used to avidly follow the many works of Muleboy. he wrote really awesome stories, and his primary story was nearing the climax (no pun intended). then suddenly he erases EVERYTHING, apparently he decided to go back and revise all of his work. that was over a year ago. he has so far not uploaded one single story. anywhere. no blog updates either. almost as bad as Nim Maj (Fanfiction writer, wrote Herald of the Void, epic fic, supposed to be continued in "Through the World Door", but after lots of discussion and teasers in a forum thread, he literraly vanished after saying that his college exam courses were upcoming. no new updates on whats going on, nothing.)

forgot to mention: Muleboy had over 100 stories when he deleted it all. probably closer to 200.

Well artist and writer can be used interchangably for each one, "Become better writer, delete all old trash stories" as an example.

It's really a shame when someone does that, it's almost a spit in the faces of their fans.

I've defiantly seen the first two before on deviantArt... can't really say the same thing for the other half.

The first two are the more common ones.
But the others do happen.

Oh I know, I was saying that I never really witnessed the other two.

In regards of the last two, I find them to be the most absurd, like...

Why delete your older art pieces? Why not keep them up and show people how much you evolved as an artist?

If nobody's paying attention to your art, then why not try expanding your audience (i.e submitting them into different groups)?

That's just my two cents. :P

I've heard so many excuses for getting rid of old art. I for one am proud of keeping my old art posted as it shows me how much better I have gotten.

Same here.

I'd have to say i dont delete stuff unless its really really terrible! XT or I missed something on that picture :B

Just realized something... people could just put their old art in their scraps or... make a folder thats called 'OLD art so people can find their old art >w> I know some people that make year folders so that people can find specific year art! ^^

Some people still don't want their old stuff seen at all.

yeah :/ some people just feel ashamed lol

That or they think too highly of what they have become.