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Convention Behavior: Don't Be These Guys!
Taking inspiration from 
likeshine and her hilarious "Do's and Don'ts" comics, I was up all night sleepless, so I decided to make my own.
Let me state for the record that these are my PERSONAL pet peeves. I have experienced each and every one first-hand, and at every genre of convention, not just furry cons. I do encounter these kinds of folks every con I go to, at least one or two examples.
This is a work of satire. It is not intended to poke fun at any individual. If it offends you, then don't look. Don't get your panties in a twist over it; it's not about you anyway.
No particular individuals mentioned here, and I used only my characters or my husband's. Remember: Don't be THESE GUYS!
- "The Timer": These will drop off a sketchbook or put in a badge order. They'll check back every 5-10 minutes to see if it's done. Often, they won't go more than 10 feet away between checking on the progress. I've seen them actually hovering several tables away to see if I'm still working on their order. In the time they spend interrupting me to check on the progress of the commission, I could have at least 2 others finished.
- "The Freebie": This one's usually underage, and the last few I've encountered have been female. They drop by your table, look over your wares, and will often pick up small things like magnets or bookmarks and ask prices without bothering to read the signs. When everything they pick up costs money, they'll actually have the gall to ask you what can they have for free. Most often this behavior occurs during the last few hours of the con, though I have seen it on the first day. My favorites are the ones whose parent(s) are with them and they get a sharp reprimand for their cheek.
- "The Tagalong": These are a major peeve for me. They'll overhear you making lunch/dinner plans with friends and invite themselves along. This is regardless if they actually know you/are friends. Many times they're not, they're just some random con-goer. Sorry folks, but this kind of behavior will get you a VERY rude brush off from me. I just don't tolerate it. If I want your company at lunch/dinner, I'll ask for it. You just don't invite yourself along. And YES, this has actually happened-- I had two folks actually stalk my roommates and I to a restaurant and tell the waiter they were with our party. Never again!
- "The Mooch": Not to be confused with The Freebie, the Mooch is always looking for a handout. Rather than ask you what they can have, they will simply help themselves to whatever on your table that look up for grabs. Business cards, free stickers, candy, etc; all is considered fair game for The Mooch. And if you are generous enough to have a candy bowl out for your patrons, they will continue to come back time and time again, taking a handful of candy with them each trip. I have even seen a Mooch give a sob story about how they could not afford to be at the con and that the free candy was all they could get to eat all weekend. Get your paws out of my candy dish and don't come back, buddy!
And lastly, a personal favorite:
- "The Art Nazi": The Art Nazi has two approaches when it comes to artists at a con: bullying and flat-out abuse. The bullying starts when they attempt to place a commission and are told that the artist in question will not draw a particular subject. (For me, the issue is almost always porn. I do not and have not ever taken commissions for porn.) The Nazi, upon hearing that refusal, will start verbally bullying the artist with the attempt to get what they want. The other response is nothing but sheer vitriol spouted at the artist, usually filled with colorful swearing, and ending with the Art Nazi storming off in a loud and dramatic huff, exclaiming they're taking their business to a "better artist anyway." The Art Nazi will throw a tantrum over just about anything that doesn't cater to them, from subject matter to prices and everything in between. Its best just to ignore the drama, or call con security if one cannot convince the Art Nazi to leave.
So there you go. Yes, I have encountered each and every one of those types, and many more. These are just the most common ones I personally see. I do get a few "Art Nazi" types that don't seem to understand that while I do nudes and the occasional adult subject matter, I do not take commissions for them. Ever.
Character cameos are as follows:
- Rokki Tanuki as "The Timer"
- Arwen the Corgi as "The Freebie"
- Mai-Tai the Red Panda as "The Tagalong"
- Sebastian the Lynx as "The Mooch"
- Akela Vincent (sorry, love!) as "The Art Nazi"
Rokki, Sebastian, and Akela are © Zebulon "Akela Vincent" Holland
Arwen and Mai-Tai are © Nicole "AnimeCat" Holland
Artwork © Nicole "AnimeCat" Holland
All rights reserved. Please do not reuse, repost or redistribute.
likeshine and her hilarious "Do's and Don'ts" comics, I was up all night sleepless, so I decided to make my own. Let me state for the record that these are my PERSONAL pet peeves. I have experienced each and every one first-hand, and at every genre of convention, not just furry cons. I do encounter these kinds of folks every con I go to, at least one or two examples.
This is a work of satire. It is not intended to poke fun at any individual. If it offends you, then don't look. Don't get your panties in a twist over it; it's not about you anyway.
No particular individuals mentioned here, and I used only my characters or my husband's. Remember: Don't be THESE GUYS!
- "The Timer": These will drop off a sketchbook or put in a badge order. They'll check back every 5-10 minutes to see if it's done. Often, they won't go more than 10 feet away between checking on the progress. I've seen them actually hovering several tables away to see if I'm still working on their order. In the time they spend interrupting me to check on the progress of the commission, I could have at least 2 others finished.
- "The Freebie": This one's usually underage, and the last few I've encountered have been female. They drop by your table, look over your wares, and will often pick up small things like magnets or bookmarks and ask prices without bothering to read the signs. When everything they pick up costs money, they'll actually have the gall to ask you what can they have for free. Most often this behavior occurs during the last few hours of the con, though I have seen it on the first day. My favorites are the ones whose parent(s) are with them and they get a sharp reprimand for their cheek.
- "The Tagalong": These are a major peeve for me. They'll overhear you making lunch/dinner plans with friends and invite themselves along. This is regardless if they actually know you/are friends. Many times they're not, they're just some random con-goer. Sorry folks, but this kind of behavior will get you a VERY rude brush off from me. I just don't tolerate it. If I want your company at lunch/dinner, I'll ask for it. You just don't invite yourself along. And YES, this has actually happened-- I had two folks actually stalk my roommates and I to a restaurant and tell the waiter they were with our party. Never again!
- "The Mooch": Not to be confused with The Freebie, the Mooch is always looking for a handout. Rather than ask you what they can have, they will simply help themselves to whatever on your table that look up for grabs. Business cards, free stickers, candy, etc; all is considered fair game for The Mooch. And if you are generous enough to have a candy bowl out for your patrons, they will continue to come back time and time again, taking a handful of candy with them each trip. I have even seen a Mooch give a sob story about how they could not afford to be at the con and that the free candy was all they could get to eat all weekend. Get your paws out of my candy dish and don't come back, buddy!
And lastly, a personal favorite:
- "The Art Nazi": The Art Nazi has two approaches when it comes to artists at a con: bullying and flat-out abuse. The bullying starts when they attempt to place a commission and are told that the artist in question will not draw a particular subject. (For me, the issue is almost always porn. I do not and have not ever taken commissions for porn.) The Nazi, upon hearing that refusal, will start verbally bullying the artist with the attempt to get what they want. The other response is nothing but sheer vitriol spouted at the artist, usually filled with colorful swearing, and ending with the Art Nazi storming off in a loud and dramatic huff, exclaiming they're taking their business to a "better artist anyway." The Art Nazi will throw a tantrum over just about anything that doesn't cater to them, from subject matter to prices and everything in between. Its best just to ignore the drama, or call con security if one cannot convince the Art Nazi to leave.
So there you go. Yes, I have encountered each and every one of those types, and many more. These are just the most common ones I personally see. I do get a few "Art Nazi" types that don't seem to understand that while I do nudes and the occasional adult subject matter, I do not take commissions for them. Ever.
Character cameos are as follows:
- Rokki Tanuki as "The Timer"
- Arwen the Corgi as "The Freebie"
- Mai-Tai the Red Panda as "The Tagalong"
- Sebastian the Lynx as "The Mooch"
- Akela Vincent (sorry, love!) as "The Art Nazi"
Rokki, Sebastian, and Akela are © Zebulon "Akela Vincent" Holland
Arwen and Mai-Tai are © Nicole "AnimeCat" Holland
Artwork © Nicole "AnimeCat" Holland
All rights reserved. Please do not reuse, repost or redistribute.
Category All / Comics
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If I ever go to a convention I get the feeling I'll be thanking my lucky stars that I'm not an artist! o.o I imagine there must be some very rewarding moments where someone you've worked with at the con or in the past tells you how much they love your work, but to deal with these kinds of folks up close and personal... yikes!!
Oh, and re: the tagalong, that SERIOUSLY happens??
Oh, and re: the tagalong, that SERIOUSLY happens??
Oh, 99% of the folks I see at cons are fantastic. They come by, chat for a bit, and it's great! I love to get to meet the folks that appreciate my work in person, even if they only stop by to say hello. So it's totally worth it. The small number of folks you get like this is honestly outweighed by all the cool people you meet.
And YES, the Tagalong thing TOTALLY happened. I was flabbergasted.
And YES, the Tagalong thing TOTALLY happened. I was flabbergasted.
Yup! I'm all for making new friends, sharing a coffee or a donut from the hotel coffee shop. Chatting over sketchbooks, etc is great and a wonderful way to get to know people!
But seriously, after a long hard day of working a dealer's den, I just want a quiet meal with my close friends that I usually only can see at cons. There's nothing wrong with wanting some downtime, and that's exactly what I need at the end of the day, not some creeper fanboy with little-to-no social skills tagging along uninvited.
But seriously, after a long hard day of working a dealer's den, I just want a quiet meal with my close friends that I usually only can see at cons. There's nothing wrong with wanting some downtime, and that's exactly what I need at the end of the day, not some creeper fanboy with little-to-no social skills tagging along uninvited.
I got a question with that haha did they order anything and try to tack it on to your bill at the end? I mean I picture them just going all "OMG look who we're sitting next to!!!" but I wouldn't put it past them to try to pull a freebie without paying for their whole meal xD I've had that happen before somewhere else!
I don't get commissions as much as some people do, but I always make sure my sketchbook has my cell number, email address, and (in case something doesn't go accordinng to plan) my home mailing address on the inside front cover. I also always mark the spot in the sketchbook where the commission is intended to go with a slip of paper that lists my hotel and room number just in case someone wants to drop it off on their way somewhere (like, say, they or a friend are staying in my hotel and I just can't catch up with the artist before the dealer's room closes) or needs to leave a message at my hotel because my cell phone's dead or something.
Oh no! I hate disposable stuff! Especially disposable appliances and electronics!
Don't get me whong, though, there are one or two exceptions: I can't stand reusable vacuum cleaner bags (they're too messy & don't filter well enough at all) and I do occaitionally use paper towels for really awful messes (doggy accidents, motor oil and grease in the workshop, and such).
Don't get me whong, though, there are one or two exceptions: I can't stand reusable vacuum cleaner bags (they're too messy & don't filter well enough at all) and I do occaitionally use paper towels for really awful messes (doggy accidents, motor oil and grease in the workshop, and such).
Yeah, there's a difference between personal art and what you'll draw for money. I might draw my character in a tasteful nude, or maybe if I have artistic license I'll draw a request in one, but doing nothing but that or getting constant requests for porn would just be boring, not to mention that it takes all the fun out of it.
Ugh, yeah, I have seen all of those scenarios happen. The tagalong with some of my friends or people I happen to be rooming with.
To that list, I would personally add the "Control Freak" who either have very specific, complicated characters and want you to get every single detail in and/or they'll hover around your table while you're drawing it to make sure you are drawing it "just right".
To that list, I would personally add the "Control Freak" who either have very specific, complicated characters and want you to get every single detail in and/or they'll hover around your table while you're drawing it to make sure you are drawing it "just right".
Oh yeah, there are WAY more types than mentioned here. These are just the ones I encounter most frequently. Fortunately, I don't get too many control freaks. My commission paperwork is very specific in what the client has to fill out and they get a carbon copy. That way I'm not responsible for missing details if I can prove they didn't write it down!
There's a subspecies of "Control Freak" that's even more annoying: "I want you to get every detail of my character just right! What does my character look like? Oh, it's a a (species); draw whatever. [And later...] You missed the earrings! And the sixth toe! Geez, weren't you paying attention?!"
OMG YES to all of these! I haven't had too much experience with the Art Nazi (one or two over the years, but thankfully, not that much), but the two I get the most is "The Timer" and "The Mooch". I like bringing Canadian candy to the American conventions I go to, and pretty much the same thing happened to me in the description you have there. It came down to a decision: either stop offering free candy at my table, or putting a sign at the candy to "Please take ONE." (emphasising on the ONE part). I tried the sign, and that worked out pretty well, people only took one, so I'll probably do that for the rest of the cons now.
It's very rare that I see them here...it's so funny to go to Shaw's (one of the local grocery stores) in the International aisle, and see Canadian stuff there XD
If he'd like some, I can send you guys a bag of Fun Size, they seem to always keep those in stock, and not just around Halloween anymore :) And I'm pretty sure we're heading up to Canada for Easter too, so I can pick some up there while I'm up there :)
If he'd like some, I can send you guys a bag of Fun Size, they seem to always keep those in stock, and not just around Halloween anymore :) And I'm pretty sure we're heading up to Canada for Easter too, so I can pick some up there while I'm up there :)
I haven't been able to find them in cases or boxes in just the regular stores in Canada...they might have them like that at Costco, but I've never been to Costco O.o Either way though, I'll pick up some for him and let you know once I've got them so I can mail them out to you guys :)
Woah that was a fast reply LOL,
I'm always looking for artist input on things they would like to see put into a conbook such as this. We want all our artists at Furlaxation to feel welcome and not be abused. This post seems to be one of the clearest examples of what you all encounter at cons.
I'm always looking for artist input on things they would like to see put into a conbook such as this. We want all our artists at Furlaxation to feel welcome and not be abused. This post seems to be one of the clearest examples of what you all encounter at cons.
And that's totally welcome! We love getting to know our watchers and stuff! For crying out loud, we're people too, not celebrities or royalty or anything. I can't speak for ALL artists, mind you, but the ones I know personally are all cool, friendly people. If you're ever at any of the cons I work, feel free to drop by the table and say hi!
This is wonderful! Haha, you missed one though...the guy who stands in front of your table talking about his character(s) for hours. I had one of these last RCFM...and the worst part, a second one came up and they started talking to EACHOTHER about thier characters. Seriously, this lasted for an hour and a half at the very least. Atleast if they're talking into thin air they realize theyre being ignored and move on....But two of them? Oh gods. X-x
Man, now I wanna draw this kinda thing XD hehe
Man, now I wanna draw this kinda thing XD hehe
Ugh. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. When I tell someone "Hey your character is pretty! I really like the design" that is my not so subtle way of saying I would be interested in drawing it should they commission me, I'd do a good job because I'd actually enjoy drawing it, I get tired of wolves and foxes all the time.
Unfortunately this sometimes (not always, but sometimes) leads to them sidling up to my table, plunking their stuff down and giving me a long detailed history of the character, dating back to 1984 starting with a tabletop game I wouldn't remember because I wasn't born yet, and referencing off-the-air BBC programs like some sort of nerd hipster in hopes to impress me of their knowledge of the "obscure" that led to the creation of their character.
I've stopped complimenting people's characters if I'm a captive audience (such as at a dealer's table). I just tell people online x__x
Unfortunately this sometimes (not always, but sometimes) leads to them sidling up to my table, plunking their stuff down and giving me a long detailed history of the character, dating back to 1984 starting with a tabletop game I wouldn't remember because I wasn't born yet, and referencing off-the-air BBC programs like some sort of nerd hipster in hopes to impress me of their knowledge of the "obscure" that led to the creation of their character.
I've stopped complimenting people's characters if I'm a captive audience (such as at a dealer's table). I just tell people online x__x
legit, this go's for the majority of every fursuiter as well. Like, the 'Tag Along' is most fursuiter nightmare @@
"Oh, your a 'popufur' and I love your suit so much!"
*stalks you to headless lounge and sees you taking off your head thus revealing the human in suit*
oh emm gee am I ever gonna stalk you through-out the whole convention now~ *licks lips*
0.o
(it sucks cause I've had this happen to me countless times..)
"Oh, your a 'popufur' and I love your suit so much!"
*stalks you to headless lounge and sees you taking off your head thus revealing the human in suit*
oh emm gee am I ever gonna stalk you through-out the whole convention now~ *licks lips*
0.o
(it sucks cause I've had this happen to me countless times..)
I loved the Art Nazi one XD
Plus he looks cute there <3 nice work on all of them :D ... I would find the tagalongs the most obnoxious <.<.... and oh no the mooch D: ... I dont do it to that extent but every time I'm at a supermarket I will take one thing off of every free sample table <.<
Tho just one <:3
Plus he looks cute there <3 nice work on all of them :D ... I would find the tagalongs the most obnoxious <.<.... and oh no the mooch D: ... I dont do it to that extent but every time I'm at a supermarket I will take one thing off of every free sample table <.<
Tho just one <:3
Also, I get a subtype of the freebie person *all the time*. The "I can't afford it". They stand at the table and look, for ages. They pick something up and ask prices, you tell them, they say "awwww, I can't afford it" and proceed to just stand there. They will then start telling you how much they LOVE it and REALLY REALLY WANT IT but....they can't afford it. Did they mention you're an amazing artist? Yeah. If they could afford it they'd totally commission you. SUCH A SHAME...they can't afford it. It takes ages to get rid of those types, I've had them anywhere from 5-30 minutes.
Yeah, totally a subtype. The I-Can't-Afford-It-But-Really-Want-You-To-Give-It-To-Me-Anyway. I hate those. I have learned to be a coldhearted bitch and just say thanks for the compliment and then put my head down and go back to work and ignore them until they go away.
See, by asking, you're officially NOT the Tagalong. The Tagalong doesn't even ask what plans are, they just assume they're welcome. By asking, you are considering your friends plans, even if they might not include you. You're not automatically assuming you're going to go somewhere with them. So don't worry!
BTW, are you coming back to FWA this year?
BTW, are you coming back to FWA this year?
I won't be at FWA, I'm afraid! It's a bit of a shame but the early part of this year is definitely devoted to selling our house and buying a new one - which I am sure is going to take up plenty of our time! I'm thinking we might try and make an autumn con in the US instead though - any recommendations? :)
Oh god. Only been to three cons and have, each time, been attacked by the dreaded 'tagalong'. Me and my buddies, ironically enough, traditionally always go out for sushi the second day of RF and Mongolian Grill the last night. Lo and behold, the second con so many people invited themselves that they were literally taking our seats when we left to get food. I was nice the first time, but if that happens again I'm putting my foot up someone's butt! >.>
I can understand the behavior being bad, but at least some of them seem to have solutions. Like telling a person what time they can come around when you think a piece will be done (if they don't listen to you and keep checking every 10, then I could see it being a hell of a problem).
When it comes to candy it is also a question of why you have it there. If it's meant for patrons, keep it off the table and give it as a surprise gift to people who buy things. Or as another person said, add on that they can take a piece in the sign if you simply want it as something to attract customers.
When it comes to candy it is also a question of why you have it there. If it's meant for patrons, keep it off the table and give it as a surprise gift to people who buy things. Or as another person said, add on that they can take a piece in the sign if you simply want it as something to attract customers.
Oh, I never said they didn't have solutions. All of them do! Some as simple as telling commissioners to come back in an hour or two or telling the pushy folks to back off. And the candy thing is easily solved as well. As I said, 99% of the folks I meet up with are pretty awesome. The other 1%, well, they just need to be asked to adjust their behavior or asked to leave.
YES. x_x I think any artist who's worked a con will have run into most of these. We had the tagalong thing happen during an MFF a few years back, where someone who recognized me invited himself and his buddies to lunch with us. The guy got himself so nervous and worked up from meeting me (and I'm nobody, sheesh) that he actually left the table several times during the meal to go be sick in the restroom. Then they followed us back to our hotel room like puppies, and my husband had to stand in the door and be Brute Squad to keep them out. x_x
It was just so extremely socially inept I could hardly believe it. I mean, most furries are socially awkward on some level anyway, but they really didn't get the hint. Heh, now that I think about it, I've had to duck awkwardly clingy furs trying to follow me or my roommates at a number of different cons. x_x Including one who was wandering the halls when I came back from an early morning setup in main programming at AC, who followed me into our hotel room while everyone who hadn't been needed for the event was more or less still asleep. One of our roommates was hosting an invitation only party later in the con, and this guy had found one of the invites someone left laying around and declared he was "scoping things out" so he knew where to go. Now, despite having found an invitation (and not being invited) he still somehow managed to get both the day and the time wrong, and seemed confused that the room was full of sleeping people at 10 AM when he thought there would be a party. Uhh. It's 10 AM friday morning of a furry con. Who the hell throws a party then? Meanwhile, I'm going 'wtf? who are you and why the hell are you in my hotel room?' Needless to say, he was very quickly un-invited when he tried to show up for the actual party. u.u At FC two years ago, we had something similar happen when a totally inept 'volunteer', whom we'd already kicked out for nearly electrocuting himself with his stupidity (we do video reinforcement for FC), followed one of our roommates back to our room and tried to go inside. She was understandably creeped out.
I dunno, maybe me and my circle of friends are just magnets for this kind of person. It's really freaking obnoxious.
I dunno, maybe me and my circle of friends are just magnets for this kind of person. It's really freaking obnoxious.
The Timer!!! OH Dear God I get at least 2 per con, one in particular hovers as you describe and gets visibly upset if I talk to somebody who approaches my table.
Worst was at AC, a guy commissioned me and handed me his book. I had somebody come up for a badge and this guy actually came up and yelled at the badge person "He's busy doing my book, you have to come back after he's done!!"
I handed him his book and cash back and told him to leave. Now he trolls me on Lulz.
Worst was at AC, a guy commissioned me and handed me his book. I had somebody come up for a badge and this guy actually came up and yelled at the badge person "He's busy doing my book, you have to come back after he's done!!"
I handed him his book and cash back and told him to leave. Now he trolls me on Lulz.
I had a tagalong fly from the west coast to AC, to to room with me once. I didn't know the guy, but he heard I was going to ac from a freind of a freind. Guy shows up bag in hand, saying he spent all his money on a plane ticket and had no choice but stay with me. I hope he enjoyed sleeping in the lobby!
Oh yeah. Found me in the registration line and was like "Oh hey Red! I'm rooming with you...right?" Found out the guy was a freind of a freind of somone I knew online, and decided to fly out and room with me. It really freaked me out, becasue it was my first con ever, and this happened to me within 30 miniutes of ariving at AC. After telling the guy he couldnt room with me, I got propositioned for sex by too strangers by waiting for the elevator. I almost left and went home after that.
Now? I'm a pretty mean bastard when it comes to that sort of thing. ^__^ and con go more smoothly for me.
Now? I'm a pretty mean bastard when it comes to that sort of thing. ^__^ and con go more smoothly for me.
Some people just...take them. They don't actually look at your work, browse, or show any interest. Just...*snag*. Sometimes they take a few. Then I don't have enough for people that are actually interested in my artwork. It became such a problem that I stopped leaving business cards out to be easily accessible. And you would think all those business cards would result in more attention, watches, etcetc, but no, never really gotten a surge of interest after a con. =\
I am pretty surprised that you take issue with business cards being taken. Leave them out, people take them. It's kinda the point. Taking more than one is obviously silly, but I've always considered them a form of semi-passive advertizing. Think of it as opt-in spam! They're cheap enough to get made that if only one card in 500 results in a sale you're still ahead. :3
There are some types of people that, they'll walk past your table ten times in an hour or two, and take a business card (or a handful!) each time, and then when you get up to go to the bathroom you see your cards scattered all over the floor.
I agree that they're cheap and they make great passive advertising - I put photos of my work on my cards so I can drop them on flyer tables at cons - but if I wanted to throw them all over the floor, I would've done that in the first place. Taking someone else's business expense and just trashing it like that is kind of disrespectful. Sure, it's part of the price you pay, but it also sucks that the person doesn't have enough respect for what you've got to offer to be polite about it.
Additionally, many con attendees of any genre don't realize that yes, some of the artists/crafters do this stuff for a living, as a sole means to make money. They're all about having a good time regardless of how rude they might be about it, so it just frustrates an artist to see this sort of thing happen. Again, it's part of the price, but a bit disheartening nonetheless.
I agree that they're cheap and they make great passive advertising - I put photos of my work on my cards so I can drop them on flyer tables at cons - but if I wanted to throw them all over the floor, I would've done that in the first place. Taking someone else's business expense and just trashing it like that is kind of disrespectful. Sure, it's part of the price you pay, but it also sucks that the person doesn't have enough respect for what you've got to offer to be polite about it.
Additionally, many con attendees of any genre don't realize that yes, some of the artists/crafters do this stuff for a living, as a sole means to make money. They're all about having a good time regardless of how rude they might be about it, so it just frustrates an artist to see this sort of thing happen. Again, it's part of the price, but a bit disheartening nonetheless.
I get the tagalong in various forms a lot and it really makes me uncomfortable. I've been doing conventions for 8 years and every single time I go out to dinner it turns into one of those big furry dinners where there's 14 people, no one can hear anyone, you only know maybe 2 or three people there because you invited a friend, that friend invited a friend (or in this case, a tagalong just..starts following you), and so forth. Then when the bill comes, no one thought to split the check (or in some cases the restaurant WON'T split it) and you spend the next 45 minutes figuring out cards and cash, and almost inevitably we're short some ridiculous amount OR someone leaves before paying their fair share. It's gotten so bad that I literally get anxious when someone I only vaguely know asks me to dinner. This is terrible because they're just being nice, but to save anxiety I usually plan things myself.
Amplify this when the tagalong stands at my table overhearing me say something like "only 3 more hours until Indian food" and demands to come to my small, intimate, 4 person gathering, and will stand there, hovering, phone out, ready to take down my digits. "Where should we meet? Tell me now, I'm ready to take down your number". I never know what to say, I usually end up saying "oh its not up to me its my friend who's organizing it blaaaaah *trail off*"
Thank god for Google Voice.
/rant
Amplify this when the tagalong stands at my table overhearing me say something like "only 3 more hours until Indian food" and demands to come to my small, intimate, 4 person gathering, and will stand there, hovering, phone out, ready to take down my digits. "Where should we meet? Tell me now, I'm ready to take down your number". I never know what to say, I usually end up saying "oh its not up to me its my friend who's organizing it blaaaaah *trail off*"
Thank god for Google Voice.
/rant
And its happened to me too! This is why I don't mention it much in public when I'm going somewhere, especially if it's sushi, which seems to attract all kinds of furs. Now, my "intimate" groups of friends tend to be like 4-9 people, but I refuse to do anything with more than 10, because its too difficult.
I have gotten to be a pro at working out of those situations when overheard by creative truth telling and being vague about details.
BTW, you're one of the folks I would love to sit and chat with sometime at a con if we ever manage to attend the same one. You share a lot of my foodie-type interests as well as my sense of humor. Plus my husband says you're awesome. I think he met you at AC once...?
I have gotten to be a pro at working out of those situations when overheard by creative truth telling and being vague about details.
BTW, you're one of the folks I would love to sit and chat with sometime at a con if we ever manage to attend the same one. You share a lot of my foodie-type interests as well as my sense of humor. Plus my husband says you're awesome. I think he met you at AC once...?
If he did it would have had to be the last year in Philadelphia, and I hung out in the lobby the whole time XD I remember virtually nothing from that convention though, AC is just way way way too overwhelming for me. I actually was hoping you'd be at FC because I feel similarly! Hopefully our conventions overlap at some point because I would also like to meet you and chat :3 Seems you and I have a lot in common <3
Besides our first names? Yeah. Unfortunately, there's a LOT of country between you and I. I rarely get out to the west coast, though I would LOVE to hit FC one of these years. I have an aunt that lives in San Jose that keeps bugging me to come to the con! MFF would probably be our best bet. Do you hit that one?
It's a lot of a cost for me to hit MFF and I'm really tired of working the convention circuit but 
skorzy has a lot of friends who attend that one so we've been thinking of making an effort to figure if we can swing it next year as a vacation. If we do I will be sure to let you know!
FC is great. I love it. The fact that you have family that lives there you could make a real trip of it, and if you deal there, it's like paying for a vacation :3 I probably won't be dealing next FC, I need a break, but I will be attending for fun. (Fun, what's that?!)
skorzy has a lot of friends who attend that one so we've been thinking of making an effort to figure if we can swing it next year as a vacation. If we do I will be sure to let you know!FC is great. I love it. The fact that you have family that lives there you could make a real trip of it, and if you deal there, it's like paying for a vacation :3 I probably won't be dealing next FC, I need a break, but I will be attending for fun. (Fun, what's that?!)
It's the same for me at cons. Its expensive, so if I go, I usually have to work it. Which is why I haven't hit up the large coastal cons. I've done MFF though. It's about a 13 hours drive, which is doable. If you guys end up going, give me a yell and I'll see if we can arrange to meet up. It's been a while since I've done that con but it's always been fun when I have.
Well, I try not to be 'the timer' when i hand over my sketchbook, I ask when is best for pickup, usually it is the next day, so I thank the artist and venture onward, more than often not returning to the table until required though I may drop by and buy something else which might've caught my eye.
I've had experience with 'the tagalong' when making food arrangements, "oh, i'm looking to go food, can I come with you guys?", unless it's a friend or a friend of one of my friends, I try to say no, but it's really hard sometimes!
I've had experience with 'the tagalong' when making food arrangements, "oh, i'm looking to go food, can I come with you guys?", unless it's a friend or a friend of one of my friends, I try to say no, but it's really hard sometimes!
Oh my gosh you hit the nail square on the head and drove it in with one blow. I've been considering a "Fan" classification guide, similar to that "Gnomes" book that came out a long time ago. I've got three classifications you might have missed. "The next great... (Fill in the blank.)" This fan carries several notebooks in his arm filled with thousands of pages of penciled script, and is on the prowl for free art or autographs he can sell on e-bay. "The Paramilitay Yahoo." This species has a fondness for military history, and often dresses up in historic uniforms at conventions. He might even belong to a reenactor's group, but has never sen combat. Finally, "The Waddling Behemoth." Need I say more?
Ya know I've had very little of this happen to me.. Though I'd had folks suddenly last AC deal with drama infront of my table for over 15 mins, which they kept hitting my table as I was working.. Also have a few things stolen like stickers and decals O.o' Then again I had someone keep bugging me for sex... as in sex.. ahhhhhhhs... This year I have a bodyguard!
All of these characters fit into ONE overall category: The Table Blocker! The guys that aren't actively giving you cash for anything, they're just taking up space and preventing other folks from getting in to see your work! They hover and hover just because you're too nice to tell them to scoot, and you lose sales because no one else can get in. :c (At least the Timer has a little bit of an excuse - he's already given money! - but the rest of them can go screw.)
The Tagalong is soooo frustrating. I'll never forget making dinner plans one time and having someone actually grab my arm as I was trying to go get ready to go out to dinner. It wasn't even anyone I knew real well, they just wanted to come along with.
This is actually part of the reason I go out of my way to plan that pizza party at FWA every year - it allows EVERYONE to get together for dinner one night of the con, no one feels or gets left out, and it's a party atmosphere where you don't feel awkward, unlike sitting at a restaurant table with 20 people, only a few of whom you know (and are sitting nowhere near) and can't hear over all the noise. Funny though; I notice the Tagalongs never invite themselves to the pizza party.
The Tagalong is soooo frustrating. I'll never forget making dinner plans one time and having someone actually grab my arm as I was trying to go get ready to go out to dinner. It wasn't even anyone I knew real well, they just wanted to come along with.
This is actually part of the reason I go out of my way to plan that pizza party at FWA every year - it allows EVERYONE to get together for dinner one night of the con, no one feels or gets left out, and it's a party atmosphere where you don't feel awkward, unlike sitting at a restaurant table with 20 people, only a few of whom you know (and are sitting nowhere near) and can't hear over all the noise. Funny though; I notice the Tagalongs never invite themselves to the pizza party.
Yes "the table blocker"! They seem to stand there and tell you about the detailed history of their character when you are odviously trying to get some art and stuff done. People edge arond them trying to look at your table and ask you a question, but they hold their hand up and simply continue their story. In the process, people with money walk away feeling off put and ignored.
Oh man, don't even try to engage them in conversation about their characters, they will never let you go!! LOL!
I have learned to kind of ignore people like that, when it's finally apparent to them you're not listening they will (hopefully) move on but my goodness. I don't mind chatting with folks if it's quiet and there's nothing else to do, but when it's first thing on a Saturday and everyone's trying to check out the dealer's room I want to be makin' my money!
I have learned to kind of ignore people like that, when it's finally apparent to them you're not listening they will (hopefully) move on but my goodness. I don't mind chatting with folks if it's quiet and there's nothing else to do, but when it's first thing on a Saturday and everyone's trying to check out the dealer's room I want to be makin' my money!
If I'm in suit, I consider myself being fair game for hugs. I'm just honestly not a touchy-feely person outside of suit unless I'm fully comfortable with someone, like my husband. But that doesn't mean I'm not friendly! I'll take a friendly handshake or conversation any day!
oooooo.....we could make scavenger hunts with these X3
hypothetical situation: my roommates decided to make plans without me and i have no one to talk to and me and you met earlier and were friendly....i hear you make plans and i ask you if i could come because i dont want to be up in my hotel room alone......would i still be a tagalong even though i didnt invite myself?
hypothetical situation: my roommates decided to make plans without me and i have no one to talk to and me and you met earlier and were friendly....i hear you make plans and i ask you if i could come because i dont want to be up in my hotel room alone......would i still be a tagalong even though i didnt invite myself?
If it's someone you kinda know and you ask, I don't consider it a tagalong. A tagalong just assumes they're welcome and comes anyway, without permission. I would honestly feel bad for you if said situation arose. Though to be perfectly honest, I don't invite others along on our supper runs because I usually have a group of 6-8 people and I refuse to go to dinner in large groups because it's so hard to get a table and decent service that way. So instead of dinner, I might offer to have you meet up with us when we got back to the con and maybe hang out for an art jam or something!
See, this is where I have problems with the dinner group things. It's not that I want to exclude people, or be mean or snobbish. I just want a decent meal (because I usually haven't had more than a snack or two all day from working the dealer room) with some quiet company. After working a table in the noise and bustle of the busy con, I just want some downtime to relax and chill. Once I've had that, I'm usually game to socialize afterward, which is when folks are welcome to come hang out. I feel like wanting the downtime during dinner makes me look snobbish because I don't want company other than my husband and roommates.
See, this is where I have problems with the dinner group things. It's not that I want to exclude people, or be mean or snobbish. I just want a decent meal (because I usually haven't had more than a snack or two all day from working the dealer room) with some quiet company. After working a table in the noise and bustle of the busy con, I just want some downtime to relax and chill. Once I've had that, I'm usually game to socialize afterward, which is when folks are welcome to come hang out. I feel like wanting the downtime during dinner makes me look snobbish because I don't want company other than my husband and roommates.
aahh.......i would feel the same way after a long day.....i was asking because ive never been to a con, and that means no one knows me so why would they hang out? (i tend to end up in situations like that a lot, its hard for me to meet new people because of past experiences and tragic back stories......lets just say im overly nice and way to servile for my own good) so i was just wondering if that would be rude
One huge gripe about artists though in relation to the timer: Most artists at a con don't have any board or something to indicate when a particular piece is done. I think if they were to have a white board behind them that shows what is being worked on and what's done then it would resolve many questions that bother you like if you're open for commissions and what's completed. It might not totally resolve the "timer" but I know I get rather apprehensive when I've already paid an artist and they won't give me any indication of a time frame. I haven't seen you at a con to know if you do something similar to this but I'm just offering an idea.
I think perhaps in your case, folks are so used to seeing Jase as a single that they don't take into consideration they he has a significant other. I can't say I've ever experienced this before, but since Akela and I are pretty much never seen apart, people have come to expect that we're a pair.
That is true and might be some of it. It happens less often now then it did before, but since I am a carpoolee to the majority of the conventions I attend. I am usually dependent on Jase to take me with or I am stuck foraging at the hotel which doesn't always turn out so good. XD
Wow makes me feel kinda glad my art isn't known very well yet the whole "timer" thing would get on my nerves first before anything else it takes me awhile to draw anything so it would be a while i'll problem just tell them "wanna watch me draw something in your book?" or tell them to come back in a hour or so. The art nazi sounds like a jerk if they know you don't draw a certain thing why the heck would you ask and why talk about someone else artwork just cause they decline a request, if it bugs them so much.Why not grab a pencil and paper or take a few classes and draw it themselves. I hope when my pictures get better and I get to go to my first con I don't have this problem and sorry to hear about the tag-a-longs sounds awkward.
Oh i hope I can spot them cause its gonna be anonnying besides if I ever showcase my art I might do it with one of my other friends always nice to have someone who knows their way around troublesome people tho they might have their hands full as well but I'm sure not all people at cons aren't in these types well atleast i hope not. I would love a little praise or a thoughtful " Thank you" or " Your art is very nice". At the end of the day thats all i would need.
i have to come out with it. I was a timer once. i was getting my first badge made at metrocon and i kept coming back to the table to check on it. i know artists at conventions are very trust worthy *from ones that ive met anyways and heared no complaints as of yet* plus i was young and excited and i didn't trust people all to often. but she was very kind and aloud me to sit by her and watch while she was drawing cause it was my very first furry badge
Being excited is okay, and it be expected when you're new to the fandom. And some artists are totally okay with having you sit and watch them. Others are not. Just make sure you're not annoying or being disrespectful to the artist you're working with. Me personally, I get annoyed by people hovering over me watching me work, but that's just my personal quirk. If you want to watch me draw, come to the panels I will sometimes post on drawing or join my u-stream and watch me work live. Those I'm okay with!
I think i've only encountered the art Natzi once, thank goodness. And he still pestered me con after con thinking he paid me for something I flat out refused to draw! He was just so sure it was me and that I was totally into *insert kinda gross fetish here* what he wanted. Even stalked me on aim! Auugh
Thankfully I've only encountered a few of the others. Aside from the TagaLong, though I've seen it happen to friends!
Thankfully I've only encountered a few of the others. Aside from the TagaLong, though I've seen it happen to friends!
Oh god. The timer. >_<
I had... an experience. Where I bought a badge at a con. And... I don't know if I was just flat out misunderstanding what the woman was telling me or what, but... whenever I thought I was dropping by at the appropriate time to check her progress, she gave me this "you again?" look, patiently explained that she hadn't gotten to me yet, and I basically felt like a total creep. I swear I didn't mean to! c.c;;
I had... an experience. Where I bought a badge at a con. And... I don't know if I was just flat out misunderstanding what the woman was telling me or what, but... whenever I thought I was dropping by at the appropriate time to check her progress, she gave me this "you again?" look, patiently explained that she hadn't gotten to me yet, and I basically felt like a total creep. I swear I didn't mean to! c.c;;
I love conventions, but yeah I wouldn't go to the extreme to be a art nazi or the tagalong unless I was good friends with the person. I have considered getting a table at a con, just wouldn't know what to make for selling on the side and whatnot. Also wouldn't know if anyone would buy my work anyways. I would hate to pay for a table and find that I sell nothing to pay for the table itself. I have also thought of sharing a table too. Probably the better idea there.
Anyways at a few cons I might have tried to be a moocher, but that was cause the artist was chatting with someone and I was passing through. ^^;
I don't however go grab as much as I could so maybe not. :p
This is definitely a great thing for all conventions I have been to. :)
Anyways at a few cons I might have tried to be a moocher, but that was cause the artist was chatting with someone and I was passing through. ^^;
I don't however go grab as much as I could so maybe not. :p
This is definitely a great thing for all conventions I have been to. :)
I have seen many and Art-Nazi, their fetid breath and calls of 'YOU BITCH' and 'YOU WHORE' resound in my ears. It was then I decided I must take action, and as they came about to complain toward my favorite artist, I said.
"If you say anything to detract from my experiance, I will make you regret it."
They seemed to be surprised, and the indignant!
With that they started to heckle and truly act as if they were, forever to be known, as idiots.
It was then that I looked directly into one of their faces, pressed my own face close, and then put my hand over their mouth. And then whispered, as they blanched.
"I masturbate with that hand."
Then they fled!
8D FOR THE EMPRAH!
"If you say anything to detract from my experiance, I will make you regret it."
They seemed to be surprised, and the indignant!
With that they started to heckle and truly act as if they were, forever to be known, as idiots.
It was then that I looked directly into one of their faces, pressed my own face close, and then put my hand over their mouth. And then whispered, as they blanched.
"I masturbate with that hand."
Then they fled!
8D FOR THE EMPRAH!
Goddness, heaven only knows I didn't see at least one of each at a single artists table! Poor gal I think she was getting a tad overwhelmed. One thing that happened while at MFF last year was some comic seller flashing porn in my face. Huge sales turn-off. For one, I didn't request any adult comics, to be honest I'd stated general audience. Another is for all he knew I could have been a minor. But either way, I often feel horrible for those that have to tolerate what you've stated above, especially the nazi and tagalong. All rude actions, but those in particular to me are most offensive.
See? This is why having a heavy around to keep the riff-raff away is a good thing.
Thanks very much for this crash course on Congoers 101. Helps a whole lot for those first-time dealers as well. Incidentally, I would have snuck out backstage and rendezvous'ed wherever when the day is done. Oh, what fun it is to lose a tag-along in the crowd... *snickers* (Man, I'm so cruel! :P)
Thanks very much for this crash course on Congoers 101. Helps a whole lot for those first-time dealers as well. Incidentally, I would have snuck out backstage and rendezvous'ed wherever when the day is done. Oh, what fun it is to lose a tag-along in the crowd... *snickers* (Man, I'm so cruel! :P)
This is too good! It's true too. I haven't seen any of the Freebies, but I've seen the others.
In one instance, an artist was giving his phone number to a friend on a piece of paper. A bunch of tagalongs looked over the friend's shoulder and quickly put that number in their phones. I couldn't believe it!
In another instance, I had some donuts that I was handing out at a table for free. I'd bought too many from the convenience store, so I figured I'd hand them out while trying to take commissions. The strangest thing happen.. Yes, mooches came along, but then people started GIVING me more stuff to hand out! I ended up with a full pizza, a bag of jerky, and two more boxes of donuts! They all went as quickly as it came, but it was a running joke for the time I was there.
I've noticed that a lot of people that are new to cons tend to follow these sorts of behaviors. After a con or two, they start to get the flow of things, and fall into a group of friends. When they're there for the first time, they're taking it all in, glassy eyed, shoving social conventions aside since, in some ways, the artists they see are like celebrities that they just want to rub like a magic 8 ball :P
In one instance, an artist was giving his phone number to a friend on a piece of paper. A bunch of tagalongs looked over the friend's shoulder and quickly put that number in their phones. I couldn't believe it!
In another instance, I had some donuts that I was handing out at a table for free. I'd bought too many from the convenience store, so I figured I'd hand them out while trying to take commissions. The strangest thing happen.. Yes, mooches came along, but then people started GIVING me more stuff to hand out! I ended up with a full pizza, a bag of jerky, and two more boxes of donuts! They all went as quickly as it came, but it was a running joke for the time I was there.
I've noticed that a lot of people that are new to cons tend to follow these sorts of behaviors. After a con or two, they start to get the flow of things, and fall into a group of friends. When they're there for the first time, they're taking it all in, glassy eyed, shoving social conventions aside since, in some ways, the artists they see are like celebrities that they just want to rub like a magic 8 ball :P
I don't hand out my phone number to anyone except friends, not even acquaintances get it. I block any e-mail or notes form people causing issues. I don't use IMs anymore. I've been in the game long enough to recognize the creepers when I see them. Thanks for your advice and concern though!
Hmm... I know it's a bit of personal history, and likely boring, but I think I can offer a different point of view on it.
The Mooch (Most guilty of it)-- If there is something for free, I will usually grab one or two, and attempt to buy something to make up for the rudeness. Any reminder of a con is awesome, for me, and I prefer to have copies, in case something happens to the original.
The Freebie (Most guilty of it)--I will flat-out ask, if there's no info provided, if the artist takes requests. I try not to make it a big deal, since I figure that people earn a living through art, and it's a bit like asking a restaurant for a free meal if I act as if the artist has a duty to provide me with stuff for free.
The Tagalong (very rarely)--I have the social skills of a trained brick. So, sometimes my attempts at being nice come across as a bit odd--such as buying someone's food when they barely know me. I try not to invite myself places, but I WILL ask to be taken along if I feel confident, or desperate for some sort of human contact (maybe I should draw a happy face on a coconut, instead?).
The Timer (almost never)--I am fairly relaxed about art. Still, I LOVE seeing in-progress stuff, so can at times act a bit of that.
The Art Nazi (not to my knowledge)--if you don't draw something, and I cannot convince you to draw it, then it's just how things are. I might actually ask for something else, then, since I did begin negotiations, and I do like the artist's work. No need to waste anyone's time or scream at them.
The Mooch (Most guilty of it)-- If there is something for free, I will usually grab one or two, and attempt to buy something to make up for the rudeness. Any reminder of a con is awesome, for me, and I prefer to have copies, in case something happens to the original.
The Freebie (Most guilty of it)--I will flat-out ask, if there's no info provided, if the artist takes requests. I try not to make it a big deal, since I figure that people earn a living through art, and it's a bit like asking a restaurant for a free meal if I act as if the artist has a duty to provide me with stuff for free.
The Tagalong (very rarely)--I have the social skills of a trained brick. So, sometimes my attempts at being nice come across as a bit odd--such as buying someone's food when they barely know me. I try not to invite myself places, but I WILL ask to be taken along if I feel confident, or desperate for some sort of human contact (maybe I should draw a happy face on a coconut, instead?).
The Timer (almost never)--I am fairly relaxed about art. Still, I LOVE seeing in-progress stuff, so can at times act a bit of that.
The Art Nazi (not to my knowledge)--if you don't draw something, and I cannot convince you to draw it, then it's just how things are. I might actually ask for something else, then, since I did begin negotiations, and I do like the artist's work. No need to waste anyone's time or scream at them.
Considering it would take a VERY strong person to flip any of my dealer's tables (I have a rather large setup with metal grids with displays and items for sale on them) I have never had anyone try. But I have had folks certainly look like they were going to walk off with something they haven't paid for. It hasn't happened to me yet, but it's happened to other dealers I was sitting near. Some con-goer actually did steal something off their table. He was later caught by con security and made to pay for the item before he was removed from the con.
This is why I try to be the commissioner who doesn't make people feel awkward/intimidated/reach for the can of pepper spray in three seconds.
I hate Moochers. SO MUCH. If people have a bowl of candy on their table, I don't even look at it. Sugar-whore I may be, but I'm a POLITE sugar-whore - unless I'm offered, it's not mine to touch...and even when offered I decline because I feel like a mooch and that feeling is never good to begin with ^_^'
As for "The Timer", if I give someone my sketchbook or ask for a commission, I'm FULLY AWARE of the consequences that life can throw at an artist - if something comes up after the con is over, I'm good with it. Take your time, there is no way I'm gonna shove into the back of youevery five minutes and be a demanding bitch about it. If life's thrown you a curveball and you tell me, I'll leave my contact details with you, you can get back to me whenever life stops nomming on you <3
The Freebie, the Tagalong and the Art Nazi can all combine into one at times. I've had friends that fit all three of these "latent talents".
I greatly admire artists who have the patience to put up with people like this!!! You have superhuman abilities to do so, and I'm envious <3
Mostly I'd be the type to punch people for doing that...
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I hate Moochers. SO MUCH. If people have a bowl of candy on their table, I don't even look at it. Sugar-whore I may be, but I'm a POLITE sugar-whore - unless I'm offered, it's not mine to touch...and even when offered I decline because I feel like a mooch and that feeling is never good to begin with ^_^'
As for "The Timer", if I give someone my sketchbook or ask for a commission, I'm FULLY AWARE of the consequences that life can throw at an artist - if something comes up after the con is over, I'm good with it. Take your time, there is no way I'm gonna shove into the back of youevery five minutes and be a demanding bitch about it. If life's thrown you a curveball and you tell me, I'll leave my contact details with you, you can get back to me whenever life stops nomming on you <3
The Freebie, the Tagalong and the Art Nazi can all combine into one at times. I've had friends that fit all three of these "latent talents".
I greatly admire artists who have the patience to put up with people like this!!! You have superhuman abilities to do so, and I'm envious <3
Mostly I'd be the type to punch people for doing that...
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I've heard of these from graduate friends who go to cons and stuff. I've always wanted to commission someone but when they ask me of my age (Fifteen going on sixteen) they commonly freak out and think I am just some teen looking for something free when I'd actually like to pay them for their work, or am trying to get something that relates to mature only which I am actually against seeing, doing, getting mature things until I am of the correct age. It must be a big part of my generation because now I'm scared to really ask anyone if I can commission them for something.
This is basically why I can't do the dealer thing anymore. I'd have to make some pretty amazing profits to offset the stress (not to mention the travel, setup and miscellaneous expenses) involved.
Also, don't forget the guy who wants to tell you some spiel about his life story, or the amazing world he created, or his extensive personal knowledge on some trivial topic you casually mentioned.
Also, don't forget the guy who wants to tell you some spiel about his life story, or the amazing world he created, or his extensive personal knowledge on some trivial topic you casually mentioned.
I'm kinda like "THE TIMER" myself. Through I'm not as intense as the one on the pic and the description about it.
Every few days (like 3 to 5 days later.) Then I come back and say " I'm just wandering How is my commission faring along?"..Yeah Patience is something I don't really have much.
Now If I do see a list of commissions. and I'm last in line for the close, Then I know for a fact that I'm last and I must wait for a good while. (Unless they allow rushing or priority for a fee.)
Every few days (like 3 to 5 days later.) Then I come back and say " I'm just wandering How is my commission faring along?"..Yeah Patience is something I don't really have much.
Now If I do see a list of commissions. and I'm last in line for the close, Then I know for a fact that I'm last and I must wait for a good while. (Unless they allow rushing or priority for a fee.)
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