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This is a revision of an idea i had a couple years ago, that i never did more than a rough sketch of. My Equine anatomy sucked more then...
Yeah, another expressive piece... (or another "bullshit vegetarian militia" piece, if you'd rather.) though this one's pretty refined as far as expressive pieces go...
This is for everyone who thinks that the world and every other animal inhabiting it was created by God for humankind's benefit, to use and harvest as man sees fit.
And this is for everyone who thinks we are somehow not animals simply because we can do a few extra things.
But this is also for those who've been killed without any respect as a result...
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I used a paper blending stump, or a tortilla or whatever it's called. (i know it's not a tortilla, but it's some similar-sounding word...) ...something i've only used like once in the last 4 years, and i'm really glad i did. I don't know why i don't do that more often... All this shading, which would have normally taken me several hours, was done in 3.
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This is not meant to offend those who use the Cross as their religious icon, but I'm sure it probably will anyway.
But don't worry! I know not every one is bad. I just have a gripe with those who fall into the groups i mentioned above, to whom this piece is a message. ...and unfortunately those mindsets seem to primarily be propagated by Christian teachings (and Christian misinterpretations.)
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People should hire me to design posters. Damn.
Yeah, another expressive piece... (or another "bullshit vegetarian militia" piece, if you'd rather.) though this one's pretty refined as far as expressive pieces go...
This is for everyone who thinks that the world and every other animal inhabiting it was created by God for humankind's benefit, to use and harvest as man sees fit.
And this is for everyone who thinks we are somehow not animals simply because we can do a few extra things.
But this is also for those who've been killed without any respect as a result...
...
I used a paper blending stump, or a tortilla or whatever it's called. (i know it's not a tortilla, but it's some similar-sounding word...) ...something i've only used like once in the last 4 years, and i'm really glad i did. I don't know why i don't do that more often... All this shading, which would have normally taken me several hours, was done in 3.
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This is not meant to offend those who use the Cross as their religious icon, but I'm sure it probably will anyway.
But don't worry! I know not every one is bad. I just have a gripe with those who fall into the groups i mentioned above, to whom this piece is a message. ...and unfortunately those mindsets seem to primarily be propagated by Christian teachings (and Christian misinterpretations.)
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People should hire me to design posters. Damn.
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Equus is about how inherently screwed up Catholicism is. But that doesn't change the fact that all the symbolism is plagiarized from earlier religions. And if there's anything you shouldn't do with a plagiarist, you shouldn't recognize them as the only source. Symbols tend to be far more inspiring if you give them the weight of age they deserve.
What does a "real" cross look like? Do you mean with identical limbs as the Iron Cross has? That cross is only a couple hundred years old, and many people mistakenly equate that cross with Nazi's and only Nazi's. You have the cross in the typical Zodiac, which is old and has equal limbs. One of the oldest crosses recorded in history is the Ankh (some call it the original cross). It has foreshortened arms and top. It also happens to be associated with life, death, and afterlife. You make an Ankh out of metal by taking a long bar and a short bar and hammering them together. Take the top and twist it on itself and suddenly it has a handy carry handle. Squish that top and you get the decidedly unoriginal "christian" cross. Include in all that the fact that crucifixion is older than christianity, both by simple pole and cross. All forms of the cross are real, are really old, and completely dependent on what building materials you have on hand.
What does a "real" cross look like? Do you mean with identical limbs as the Iron Cross has? That cross is only a couple hundred years old, and many people mistakenly equate that cross with Nazi's and only Nazi's. You have the cross in the typical Zodiac, which is old and has equal limbs. One of the oldest crosses recorded in history is the Ankh (some call it the original cross). It has foreshortened arms and top. It also happens to be associated with life, death, and afterlife. You make an Ankh out of metal by taking a long bar and a short bar and hammering them together. Take the top and twist it on itself and suddenly it has a handy carry handle. Squish that top and you get the decidedly unoriginal "christian" cross. Include in all that the fact that crucifixion is older than christianity, both by simple pole and cross. All forms of the cross are real, are really old, and completely dependent on what building materials you have on hand.
absolutl;y briliant
absolutly true, and quite sexy to in a worrying sort of a way. i've been thinking of doing something with the imige of muffin the mule myself. theres an episode called schoolboy muffin, maybe theres something there
anyhoo, i'll be favouating this pic now
absolutly true, and quite sexy to in a worrying sort of a way. i've been thinking of doing something with the imige of muffin the mule myself. theres an episode called schoolboy muffin, maybe theres something there
anyhoo, i'll be favouating this pic now
Ecclesiastes chapter 3 versus 18-22
18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?"
22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?
Joel 2 versus 4-11
4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like war horses, so they run.
5 With a noise as of chariots
They leap on the tops of the mountains,
Like the crackling of a flame of fire consuming the stubble,
Like a mighty people arranged for battle.
6 Before them the people are in anguish;
All faces turn pale.
7 They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like soldiers;
And they each march in line,
Nor do they deviate from their paths.
8 They do not crowd each other,
They march everyone in his path;
When they burst through the defenses,
They do not break ranks.
9 They rush on the city,
They run on the wall;
They climb into the houses,
They enter through the windows like a thief.
10 Before them the earth quakes,
The heavens tremble,
The sun and the moon grow dark
And the stars lose their brightness.
11 The LORD utters His voice before His army;
Surely His camp is very great,
For strong is he who carries out His word
The day of the LORD is indeed great and very awesome,
And who can endure it?
Zechariah 1 versus 8-11
8 During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, brown and white horses.
9 I asked, "What are these, my lord?"
The angel who was talking with me answered, "I will show you what they are."
10 Then the man standing among the myrtle trees explained, "They are the ones the LORD has sent to go throughout the earth."
11 And they reported to the angel of the LORD, who was standing among the myrtle trees, "We have gone throughout the earth and found the whole world at rest and in peace."
REV 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come `and' be gathered together unto the great supper of God;
REV 19:18 that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great.
Revelation 19
REV 19:18 that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great.
Revelation 19
Nice pic overall.
The human body isn't made for the vegitarian diet and you miss out on important nutrients when you don't eat meat. Besides that even earth centered belief systems still eat meat, yet do not hold themselves higher than the animal.
However, I do believe we are very wasteful in the way we over produce livestock and eat much more meat than neccisary in America. Those practices are disrespectful to the world as a whole.
The human body isn't made for the vegitarian diet and you miss out on important nutrients when you don't eat meat. Besides that even earth centered belief systems still eat meat, yet do not hold themselves higher than the animal.
However, I do believe we are very wasteful in the way we over produce livestock and eat much more meat than neccisary in America. Those practices are disrespectful to the world as a whole.
Well, the hardly ever mentioned caveat of the "not made for no-meat diet" propaganda is that organism of an adult human needs a few grams of meat daily - half of a thin sliver of ham maybe. One hamburger is about a month's worth supply. Children need somewhat more, but still nowhere near as much as an average person arguing "meat is necessary for health" eats.
If people ate as much meat as their health requires, wild animals dying from natural causes or old age would provide more than enough meat supply for the whole world. Oh, and agricultural terrains area would more than halve, plus world hunger problem would pretty much vanish - a typical cow eats 12 times her weight worth in vegetables during her lifetime (aka production cycle).
If people ate as much meat as their health requires, wild animals dying from natural causes or old age would provide more than enough meat supply for the whole world. Oh, and agricultural terrains area would more than halve, plus world hunger problem would pretty much vanish - a typical cow eats 12 times her weight worth in vegetables during her lifetime (aka production cycle).
Oh really now?
http://www.all-creatures.org/health/b12.html
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/30002463/
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org.....12-sources.php
And I've been healthy for eleven years without meat.
http://www.all-creatures.org/health/b12.html
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/30002463/
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org.....12-sources.php
And I've been healthy for eleven years without meat.
Did you know that the three sources you pointed out contradict each other at points? That and the one that says yeasts don't produce it is incorrect.
Oh, and most B12 tablets are not Vegan friendly, reguardless of what these say. It's something I've been watching for a long time. In fact about 90% of food and vitamin products are not labled vegan friendly (which is a shame) but it's the truth... and the ones that are safe are over priced and hard to obtain.
I lived unhealthy without meat for a month, never doing it again. If other people can manage it, then more power to them, but my body won't do it.
Oh, and most B12 tablets are not Vegan friendly, reguardless of what these say. It's something I've been watching for a long time. In fact about 90% of food and vitamin products are not labled vegan friendly (which is a shame) but it's the truth... and the ones that are safe are over priced and hard to obtain.
I lived unhealthy without meat for a month, never doing it again. If other people can manage it, then more power to them, but my body won't do it.
They contradict in some areas but they all point out Cyanocobalamin is a synthesized B-12 that comes from bacteria that feed off of cobalt. And if you look at the labels on vitamin supplements that's usually the one you find and certainly is on the ones you can get cheaply at a Walmart.
About 10% of the diet of an average person needs to be meat. I find I have to eat about 15-20% or I become ill and have headaches, memory problems, and have trouble thinking clearly... I assume it's since I have an O blood type, which means I'm supposed to have a diet higher in grains and meat than most.
Ham isn't even meat in my opinion, it's terrible for you.
I don't buy into prapaganda of any kind, honestly; I just have concerns about health.
"wild animals dying from natural causes or old age would provide more than enough meat supply for the whole world"
With how rare either occurance is in the wild I highly doubt it... and especially not enough to always be convieniently passing when needed (not to mention you'd be taking from animals that rely on these types of deaths for food). However, again, I think the amount of over production we do is grotesque.
Ham isn't even meat in my opinion, it's terrible for you.
I don't buy into prapaganda of any kind, honestly; I just have concerns about health.
"wild animals dying from natural causes or old age would provide more than enough meat supply for the whole world"
With how rare either occurance is in the wild I highly doubt it... and especially not enough to always be convieniently passing when needed (not to mention you'd be taking from animals that rely on these types of deaths for food). However, again, I think the amount of over production we do is grotesque.
Somebody might want to tell the Jainists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainis....._and_practices
Meat is not necessary. -Protein- is necessary. Protein also comes from things which are not meat.
I have no grudge against people who choose to eat meat, but it -is- a choice, and the less misinformation is spread as far as human needs, the better people can make that choice for themselves.
Personally I would be perfectly happy if people only ate meat once a week or month, so we could eliminate factory farming and resurrect the family farms, but hey, that's idealism for you. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainis....._and_practices
Meat is not necessary. -Protein- is necessary. Protein also comes from things which are not meat.
I have no grudge against people who choose to eat meat, but it -is- a choice, and the less misinformation is spread as far as human needs, the better people can make that choice for themselves.
Personally I would be perfectly happy if people only ate meat once a week or month, so we could eliminate factory farming and resurrect the family farms, but hey, that's idealism for you. :)
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html
Sorry to tell you but eggs and dairy are also sources of b12. It's trickier when you go vegan because spirulina and the like are not considered complete sources of it. Most fortified cereal also contains b12, although you are correct in that these are most likely sourced from animals. Eating some cereal is a bit different from eating a cow though.
Sorry to tell you but eggs and dairy are also sources of b12. It's trickier when you go vegan because spirulina and the like are not considered complete sources of it. Most fortified cereal also contains b12, although you are correct in that these are most likely sourced from animals. Eating some cereal is a bit different from eating a cow though.
Gotta love people who get into a big debate despite you not asking for others' opinions xD I am a Christian and though I am not against hunting and etc, I believe God wants us to respect animals and not see them as soul-less beings here to be killed all off for sport. Anyways I love this piece, and that's that.
You always start up the most interesting conversations. =) I enjoy them just because I enjoy observing other people's thoughts and ideas.
I'm sorry I never have much (anything?) to offer, but it's hard to see how my opinion will add much, considering these topics are never a matter of who's opinion and wolrd veiw is more justified then another, but instead is simply a matter of expression, and if people were the type to listen to good reasoning, we'd not have the problems we do now.
The art is wonderful and your style is extremly enjoyable. You really do need to draw up some portfillio worth peices and start looking for freelance graphic design work. at the very least it's some extra cash. =)
As for your opinion, I understand. I can't claim to be a saint worthy of offering her veiws as if she's never faultered from a reightous and good path, but I can offer understanding, sympathy and encouragement. Each person doing what they can to right what they see as being wrong helps. I can't say I've formed an opinion on this topic, other then that our society is wasteful in its very nature.
As for religion; it's very easy to put down reson, responsability, compassion and ethics when you feel you have a goal or mission that is stronger then you, stronger then anyone else and stonger then life itself. But hell, that applies to more then just religion. I'm just as apauled at the practices of extremist animal activists as I am at the monsters they fight. The same applies for people "fighting" for peace; killing for "life", destroying in order to "create". It's just that extremist veiw and the ability people in their very nature have to halt or even ignore any responsability or understanding of and to the world outside of themselves. A world that exsists in lue of their own veiws, desires, fears and knowledge (or lack there of) and deserves just as much consideration and understanding as they demand for themselves.
I'm sorry I never have much (anything?) to offer, but it's hard to see how my opinion will add much, considering these topics are never a matter of who's opinion and wolrd veiw is more justified then another, but instead is simply a matter of expression, and if people were the type to listen to good reasoning, we'd not have the problems we do now.
The art is wonderful and your style is extremly enjoyable. You really do need to draw up some portfillio worth peices and start looking for freelance graphic design work. at the very least it's some extra cash. =)
As for your opinion, I understand. I can't claim to be a saint worthy of offering her veiws as if she's never faultered from a reightous and good path, but I can offer understanding, sympathy and encouragement. Each person doing what they can to right what they see as being wrong helps. I can't say I've formed an opinion on this topic, other then that our society is wasteful in its very nature.
As for religion; it's very easy to put down reson, responsability, compassion and ethics when you feel you have a goal or mission that is stronger then you, stronger then anyone else and stonger then life itself. But hell, that applies to more then just religion. I'm just as apauled at the practices of extremist animal activists as I am at the monsters they fight. The same applies for people "fighting" for peace; killing for "life", destroying in order to "create". It's just that extremist veiw and the ability people in their very nature have to halt or even ignore any responsability or understanding of and to the world outside of themselves. A world that exsists in lue of their own veiws, desires, fears and knowledge (or lack there of) and deserves just as much consideration and understanding as they demand for themselves.
it may be a bit offennsive to some people ^^U I'm Christian Catholic myself but I'm not offended since your intention was not to disrespect the cross or God.
I don't think animals were created just to be "used" by mankind, that is a misinterpretation of the Bible, cruelty to any living being IS an ofense to God.
I don't think animals were created just to be "used" by mankind, that is a misinterpretation of the Bible, cruelty to any living being IS an ofense to God.
i've been trying to branch out... into color, and paint. i realized recently that there is a fuzzy upper limit to how good art can possibly get in terms of quality. yours is pretty far up in terms of pencil work and stuff. so.. yeah.. as for Tortillas, i been using a sweaty finger the whole time until i saw someone using a q-tip :O *lightbulb pops*
hey... try watercolor pencils... i think we'd both benefit from their awesomeness..
oh.... and i just finished off a steak, just now.. and it was bloody yummy.. ¬_¬
hey... try watercolor pencils... i think we'd both benefit from their awesomeness..
oh.... and i just finished off a steak, just now.. and it was bloody yummy.. ¬_¬
I get your point. This reminds me of a piece of art I studied in art school. Your text here reminded me. You saying how we give ourselves reason to rank things and feel greater and not feel bad when we use animals. There was an art piece, recently that was a cruifix in a jar of pee, spit, blood, whatever else that was 'gross' and 'human'. We rank ourselves lower than Jesus, even though we are all one specie, even though he was a far greater historical figure than .. any of the rest that believe in him really. It was art that sort of pushed his image down to our level, saying visually how he was phyiscally human and could be gross like a human. You would probably find the point to be interesting.
I believe we are animals, and I believe that there is a God And I believe that the only way to show that is with peace and equality, animals are animals, eatting is okay, wasting and hating and torturing is bad.
I feel that killing nature/animals is the highest form of disrepect a Christian can do towards what they 'believe in' proving again that so many just stick the pretty sticker on their SUV and smash an animal or two with it.
Truely religious people are in touch with nature as much as they are with their given God, I believe that they are the same thing and deserve the same resepct.
I'm not offended by the imagery, I actually really like it.
I believe we are animals, and I believe that there is a God And I believe that the only way to show that is with peace and equality, animals are animals, eatting is okay, wasting and hating and torturing is bad.
I feel that killing nature/animals is the highest form of disrepect a Christian can do towards what they 'believe in' proving again that so many just stick the pretty sticker on their SUV and smash an animal or two with it.
Truely religious people are in touch with nature as much as they are with their given God, I believe that they are the same thing and deserve the same resepct.
I'm not offended by the imagery, I actually really like it.
I actually find this pic rather sexy, which I guess shows just how disturbed I am.
Here's some silly paintings I made back in 1993 with a similar theme (if not similar intent)... =3
http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazar.....3/bioart16.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazar.....3/bioart11.jpg
Here's some silly paintings I made back in 1993 with a similar theme (if not similar intent)... =3
http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazar.....3/bioart16.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazar.....3/bioart11.jpg
You're right, in that the blending stick really enhanced your shading, particularly where you have graduated tone. It looks very professional. Also, a note about the words: and although they have the textural quality of being hand-drawn, It's almost difficult to wrap one's brain around, that the font can be so stable without digital assistance. That was done beautifully.
About the message: Wow. I really understood what you were trying to convey, before reading the explanation below... and I'm thoroughly impressed with that. It is a rare and beautiful talent to be able to convey a message so nicely through imagery, and you've done it.
Also... they *should* pay you to make posters. The balance and composition of this piece is *awesome*.
About the message: Wow. I really understood what you were trying to convey, before reading the explanation below... and I'm thoroughly impressed with that. It is a rare and beautiful talent to be able to convey a message so nicely through imagery, and you've done it.
Also... they *should* pay you to make posters. The balance and composition of this piece is *awesome*.
Hummm... that ended up being way too promoting my religionish...
Anywho, forgot to add that I LOVE this picture.
I mean the whole look/feel of it is really powerful. And I agree with how you feel.
What I hate is when people I know find animal abuse 'funny'. It's just disgusting to me. I mean, what's so hilarious about hurting something that can't fight back?
Awesome picture. You gets an A+
Anywho, forgot to add that I LOVE this picture.
I mean the whole look/feel of it is really powerful. And I agree with how you feel.
What I hate is when people I know find animal abuse 'funny'. It's just disgusting to me. I mean, what's so hilarious about hurting something that can't fight back?
Awesome picture. You gets an A+
Thanks! I'm glad you like this, and the things it stands for...!
So many people are misled/taught that other animals are less significant and less important than humans, be it by culture or religion, or whatever... and when you think another animal is less important, it's easier to shrug when something happens to them.
So many people are misled/taught that other animals are less significant and less important than humans, be it by culture or religion, or whatever... and when you think another animal is less important, it's easier to shrug when something happens to them.
This is why I switched to being a vegetarian. I spent a month and a half being with horses, and it was... a spiritually fulfilling trip.
I would agree with whiterider on ONE part. I'd change it to died because of our sins.
Because of our human pride, because of our greed and selfishness, the animals pay a heavy price. The text though is only part of the piece. the symbolism is compelling.
I would agree with whiterider on ONE part. I'd change it to died because of our sins.
Because of our human pride, because of our greed and selfishness, the animals pay a heavy price. The text though is only part of the piece. the symbolism is compelling.
This is quite an amazing piece. I've personally never seen Equus, but I want to. I've only just recently (past month or so?) heard of it. I'm out of the loop.
I don't particularly care/mind if my views differ from the point of the piece. I eat meat. I don't think I'm entitled to it, but I do think evolution has brought us to this point and we're merely a product of what our ancestors did to survive. I don't eat it crazy like. Just big events... from local farms/friends o.O which is different from the mass slaughter done. But... still meat.
Annnyways. it's a powerful image. But you know that.
I don't particularly care/mind if my views differ from the point of the piece. I eat meat. I don't think I'm entitled to it, but I do think evolution has brought us to this point and we're merely a product of what our ancestors did to survive. I don't eat it crazy like. Just big events... from local farms/friends o.O which is different from the mass slaughter done. But... still meat.
Annnyways. it's a powerful image. But you know that.
This actually has very little, if anything, to do with Equus the play/film - which i'm assuming you're referring to (though that's one of my favourites... you should see it!) aside from the name.
If you don't eat meat with every meal like Industry says you should, then you're doing much better than a good majority of the population :P ...You'll probably remain healthy longer too. And buying it locally and not from factories is MUCH MUCH better. Be proud of that!
Personally, i think it's evident from the way we live, and the technologies we've developed, that we've chosen our own path - and that we are no longer governed (at least not as much) by our ancestry/instincts/traditions/etc.
What i mean is, we evolved as omnivores, but we have the technology and knowledge to survive just fine without killing other sentient beings anymore to fill our bellies. We're just not ready to use what we know to its full potential, or willing to pay for it. Not yet anyway... That and old habits die hard.
Anyway, i won't judge people for their choices (well okay, maybe i will judge others, but i won't condemn them in most cases.)
This piece is basically just lashing out at people who self-righteously think that the world is ours, to use and abuse, because Someone created it all for us.
...Also, because horses are special to me, personally, and i am sickened to know that they are being slaughtered every day all over the world. (i know them, and have spent time with them - to me they aren't much different than us. They're people too, it's as simple as that... There's no question that they have feelings, and they know pain and pleasure just as well as any human.
I know cattle and all the rest of the higher animals we like to eat are similar cases too, i just haven't spent very much time with them, so my feelings aren't as personal.
That's why it's Equus, here. (well, and because the second syllable of the name is the same as that in Jesus, it fits.)
Excuse my rambling... and thanks for your comment! I'm happy you find this image to be powerful or poignant, because the feelings i felt illustrating the idea are just that.
Art is communication!
If you don't eat meat with every meal like Industry says you should, then you're doing much better than a good majority of the population :P ...You'll probably remain healthy longer too. And buying it locally and not from factories is MUCH MUCH better. Be proud of that!
Personally, i think it's evident from the way we live, and the technologies we've developed, that we've chosen our own path - and that we are no longer governed (at least not as much) by our ancestry/instincts/traditions/etc.
What i mean is, we evolved as omnivores, but we have the technology and knowledge to survive just fine without killing other sentient beings anymore to fill our bellies. We're just not ready to use what we know to its full potential, or willing to pay for it. Not yet anyway... That and old habits die hard.
Anyway, i won't judge people for their choices (well okay, maybe i will judge others, but i won't condemn them in most cases.)
This piece is basically just lashing out at people who self-righteously think that the world is ours, to use and abuse, because Someone created it all for us.
...Also, because horses are special to me, personally, and i am sickened to know that they are being slaughtered every day all over the world. (i know them, and have spent time with them - to me they aren't much different than us. They're people too, it's as simple as that... There's no question that they have feelings, and they know pain and pleasure just as well as any human.
I know cattle and all the rest of the higher animals we like to eat are similar cases too, i just haven't spent very much time with them, so my feelings aren't as personal.
That's why it's Equus, here. (well, and because the second syllable of the name is the same as that in Jesus, it fits.)
Excuse my rambling... and thanks for your comment! I'm happy you find this image to be powerful or poignant, because the feelings i felt illustrating the idea are just that.
Art is communication!
What a lovely response xD
I do actually try to avoid eating meat when I can. There's no reason for me to. I've gotten to a point that red and dark meat makes me ill xD. Tofu for the win.
I actually own horses, though. Five beauties that really just sit around eating grass all day. I sort of joked with a friend once that I wont eat other mammals. I just can't look at a chicken or fish and feel compassion, yet. (I'm in the process of trying. I can see myself falling into being a vegetarian one day). But while it's a joke, it's sort of very true o.O
You should be pleased to know that Slaughter houses for horses are being shut down. There are no more functioning legally in the US, at least. : http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09.....rg/bxhorse.php
My mother was very interested in it, and kept me updated on it. She was against slaughter houses becoming illegal. We argued. A lot. Her argument that closing them down would create a surplus of horses with no where to go. I said we should now focus on proper breeding of horses, requiring licenses or something to breed horses. etc.
Now I'm rambling. Look what you started
I do actually try to avoid eating meat when I can. There's no reason for me to. I've gotten to a point that red and dark meat makes me ill xD. Tofu for the win.
I actually own horses, though. Five beauties that really just sit around eating grass all day. I sort of joked with a friend once that I wont eat other mammals. I just can't look at a chicken or fish and feel compassion, yet. (I'm in the process of trying. I can see myself falling into being a vegetarian one day). But while it's a joke, it's sort of very true o.O
You should be pleased to know that Slaughter houses for horses are being shut down. There are no more functioning legally in the US, at least. : http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09.....rg/bxhorse.php
My mother was very interested in it, and kept me updated on it. She was against slaughter houses becoming illegal. We argued. A lot. Her argument that closing them down would create a surplus of horses with no where to go. I said we should now focus on proper breeding of horses, requiring licenses or something to breed horses. etc.
Now I'm rambling. Look what you started
Tofu is fabulous! :D
I agree completely with regulating breeding...
Yeah, the US slaughterhouses are shut down, but unfortunately Cavel (the last one to close) relocated to Canada, where there are still a handful of such places...
The underlying problem with all of this is that horses are a way to make money... breed them to look fancy, breed them to run fast, whatever... as long as there are price tags on them there will be a line dividing life and death, and it will be determined by monetary worth.
As far as the excess and neglected horses that are supposed to be cropping up all over the place now that the US's plants have closed... well, i haven't really noticed a difference...
In any event (again, sorry for jumping all around and not ordering my thoughts very well... i should to go to bed sometime soon :o...) regulating breeding is the best way to control the problem. Because there are too many people breeding too many horses just to try and make their buck.
I'm not a big proponent of government regulation in general, but i think in this case it would do a lot of good.
It seems to me that saying "Well, we've got too many horses, so we have no choice but to kill some of them" is a lot like a doctor giving a patient some pills to relieve their symptoms instead of giving them a cure for the cause of those symptoms.
Why not say "Well, we should control the population better through management, instead of waiting until there are too many and trimming off the excess with a butcher's knife."
Birth control = death control. Stop unnecessary breeding and we'd stop unnecessary killing. It seems so perfectly clear.
And since i'm mentioning population excesses, the same principles would do our species a world of good too. Birth control is a great thing.
I know what you mean about fish and chicken. ...looking at them is quite a bit different than looking at a horse or a cow, we're further removed, and thus compassion doesn't come quite as easily.
What i ask myself is this:
Would i be able to pick up a knife or a captive bolt gun and kill it myself?
If not, then i can't justify eating it.
And you're lucky, having horses of your own. It sounds like they're pretty content :) Horses are so wonderful.
I agree completely with regulating breeding...
Yeah, the US slaughterhouses are shut down, but unfortunately Cavel (the last one to close) relocated to Canada, where there are still a handful of such places...
The underlying problem with all of this is that horses are a way to make money... breed them to look fancy, breed them to run fast, whatever... as long as there are price tags on them there will be a line dividing life and death, and it will be determined by monetary worth.
As far as the excess and neglected horses that are supposed to be cropping up all over the place now that the US's plants have closed... well, i haven't really noticed a difference...
In any event (again, sorry for jumping all around and not ordering my thoughts very well... i should to go to bed sometime soon :o...) regulating breeding is the best way to control the problem. Because there are too many people breeding too many horses just to try and make their buck.
I'm not a big proponent of government regulation in general, but i think in this case it would do a lot of good.
It seems to me that saying "Well, we've got too many horses, so we have no choice but to kill some of them" is a lot like a doctor giving a patient some pills to relieve their symptoms instead of giving them a cure for the cause of those symptoms.
Why not say "Well, we should control the population better through management, instead of waiting until there are too many and trimming off the excess with a butcher's knife."
Birth control = death control. Stop unnecessary breeding and we'd stop unnecessary killing. It seems so perfectly clear.
And since i'm mentioning population excesses, the same principles would do our species a world of good too. Birth control is a great thing.
I know what you mean about fish and chicken. ...looking at them is quite a bit different than looking at a horse or a cow, we're further removed, and thus compassion doesn't come quite as easily.
What i ask myself is this:
Would i be able to pick up a knife or a captive bolt gun and kill it myself?
If not, then i can't justify eating it.
And you're lucky, having horses of your own. It sounds like they're pretty content :) Horses are so wonderful.
He's got a sheath, i just didn't emphasize it much, since it'd detract from where the attention is supposed to be focused i think.
*reads his image description* i was saying this one was pretty good compared to the earlier sketch :D This anatomy came out well. it looks like i know what i'm doing...
*reads his image description* i was saying this one was pretty good compared to the earlier sketch :D This anatomy came out well. it looks like i know what i'm doing...
I'm ashamed to say that both my parents, and for that matter, the majority of my family-believe the whole 'they were put here for our consumption and use' bit, so they have no care for when animals are killed cruelly. My father is constantly talking about how he wants to shoot the strays that run around here, just because he doesn't like cats, even though they keep the snakes and mice down and haven't harmed a single thing. I believe we are equal to them, just because we happen to do things that they don't doesn't mean we're better than them. In fact, in a lot of cases I believe they are smarter than us. They can sense, hear, smell, and see things we can't. They have not begun the systematic destruction of their own homeland to sate their own greed. They aren't killing their own kinds by the million.
Humanity has a lot to learn.
Humanity has a lot to learn.
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