yeah then then happened, and i tried to fix it in weight paint mode.. but these vertecies dont seem to be assigns to anything at all! so something is pulling on my mesh and im not sure what... even the wings are way off doing it too.. no idea what it is.i weight painted and weigh painted.... and painted some more! and yet it still has flaws. of course there is the "minor" tweaks, and the inner mouth and eye textures that still need doing, but i also need to set up IK to the rig. for now, i'll just be playing around with it till its all fixeded up and stuff. so..... rawr, 'n stuff.