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This really was inevitable eventually. its only taken him 173 pages.
Okay so remember a few weeks back I mentioned that there would be a page you could vote the outcome on...well yep folks this is it. What Paul does here wont ultimately change the overall outcome of the comic (thats been written for over a year now) but it will influence the next page (obviously and change the order of a couple of bits and pieces over the coming few pages)
So heres your choices.
Change her
Dont change her
Dont care.
And thats it. If you want to give me reasons as to why you've made your choice then thats cool but you can only vote once and voting ends on Wednesday at 5pm uk time. so basically 24 hours from now.
This will be the only time Found is actually affected by the readers so have fun hehe.
This really was inevitable eventually. its only taken him 173 pages.
Okay so remember a few weeks back I mentioned that there would be a page you could vote the outcome on...well yep folks this is it. What Paul does here wont ultimately change the overall outcome of the comic (thats been written for over a year now) but it will influence the next page (obviously and change the order of a couple of bits and pieces over the coming few pages)
So heres your choices.
Change her
Dont change her
Dont care.
And thats it. If you want to give me reasons as to why you've made your choice then thats cool but you can only vote once and voting ends on Wednesday at 5pm uk time. so basically 24 hours from now.
This will be the only time Found is actually affected by the readers so have fun hehe.
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If she is too drunk to notice, she is too drunk to consent. If she is drunk enough to not distinguish between a dream and something actually happening, then she can't consent.
You don't do things to people if they can't consent, and you sure as shit shouldn't lie to someone.
You don't do things to people if they can't consent, and you sure as shit shouldn't lie to someone.
You know that 4chan memetic catchphrase echoing carries no weight outside of the imageboard echochamber, right? Like, you realize that butting into an ongoing conversation that involves actual grown men and women who have, like life experience and stuff, and parroting 'you mad' won't actually erase or counter something that someone else has said?
By that logic, shouldn't you have nothing to say about my reasons or objections?
Yes, the author is creating a fictional world and fictional stories-- but they don't occur in a vacuum-- they are shaped by the world around us. And if the author, who controls everything in the story, veers off into problematic territory-- whether intended or not (intent isn't magical, nor does having a certain intention shield someone from the actual effects of an action) then it may be a good idea to look at how and why those decisions are made.
Issues of boundary violation and consent aren't something that are merely theoretical for me, or many others I know, y'know?
Yes, the author is creating a fictional world and fictional stories-- but they don't occur in a vacuum-- they are shaped by the world around us. And if the author, who controls everything in the story, veers off into problematic territory-- whether intended or not (intent isn't magical, nor does having a certain intention shield someone from the actual effects of an action) then it may be a good idea to look at how and why those decisions are made.
Issues of boundary violation and consent aren't something that are merely theoretical for me, or many others I know, y'know?
"Was she padded all the times I was staring at her butt?" XD
I don't know what is the right reasoning here, Paul has the arguments eitherway...but in the end to me, better to be a gentleman and not leave her there...especially since the secret isn't going to stay safe forever. Change her.
I don't know what is the right reasoning here, Paul has the arguments eitherway...but in the end to me, better to be a gentleman and not leave her there...especially since the secret isn't going to stay safe forever. Change her.
This is difficult. Changing her is sorta perverted right? But its sorta mean to leave her like that.. I think i'd feel bad leaving her like that, so I would try to change her discreetly as possible. Cover her up with towel and do the changing underneath the towel maybe?
Maybe not change her? ..Sorta going a bit far, especially since its the first date.
Meh, I would not know how to deal with this in real life, but for this comic, I vote change her
Maybe not change her? ..Sorta going a bit far, especially since its the first date.
Meh, I would not know how to deal with this in real life, but for this comic, I vote change her
I would have to say don't change her because he could lose her trust. Since Gemma used to keep to herself, I think she would be shocked if and when she finds out he changed wet diaper. Plus, how would she not know that she wet herself if he changed her diaper and didn't tell her. The dress is wet, and unless she has another one just like that, I think she would be able to figure it out. I would have to agree with Lyx, he should wake her up.
later of see some comments, now the people can see me like as a perv.
well, anyway i just saw that, because really she cant awake but herself, i know that, and well a soaked diaper mean for a rash, and well why not do something good by her. Now, you don´t need show how him change her diaper and clothes aanyway...
well, anyway i just saw that, because really she cant awake but herself, i know that, and well a soaked diaper mean for a rash, and well why not do something good by her. Now, you don´t need show how him change her diaper and clothes aanyway...
I'd say that most people are projecting their wants onto Gem in this when they say to change her. It is a severe invasion of privacy to do something like that. While it may be in her best interests, the risk of her getting a rash or pretty much anything negative is very minimal, and certainly doesn't justify him taking it upon himself to strip her down.
Honestly, lay some towels down on the bed to protect the sheets, and let him make himself comfortable on the couch. It would be irresponsible to just leave her alone after getting that wasted, but she's in no immediate danger of dying.
It also goes completely against the characters you've established so far. Gem is a fiercely independent woman up until this point. When she gets up, how would her character react to having been stripped naked and changed by a guy without her permission? From the way she's been up until now, I don't think she'd take it well. And Leo has been a perfect gentleman, and very careful of respecting her boundaries. I can't see the Leo you've shown so far doing this in the same situation.
If she weren't wearing a diaper, and this wasn't about babyfurs, would it be okay for a guy on the first date to strip a girl and redress her in the same situation? Most would say that they don't know the person well enough to know if they would WANT to be changed, and it's "safer" to leave her as is.
Honestly, lay some towels down on the bed to protect the sheets, and let him make himself comfortable on the couch. It would be irresponsible to just leave her alone after getting that wasted, but she's in no immediate danger of dying.
It also goes completely against the characters you've established so far. Gem is a fiercely independent woman up until this point. When she gets up, how would her character react to having been stripped naked and changed by a guy without her permission? From the way she's been up until now, I don't think she'd take it well. And Leo has been a perfect gentleman, and very careful of respecting her boundaries. I can't see the Leo you've shown so far doing this in the same situation.
If she weren't wearing a diaper, and this wasn't about babyfurs, would it be okay for a guy on the first date to strip a girl and redress her in the same situation? Most would say that they don't know the person well enough to know if they would WANT to be changed, and it's "safer" to leave her as is.
I dont think Paul changing her would go completely against his character at all. like you say, he is a perfect gentleman, and I dont think a perfect gentleman would leave his date in soaked clothing like that, if she'd thrown up all over herself I could see him stripping her off and putting her in the shower. same sort of scenario here. Just different bodily fluid :)
Whatever the outcome although currently the vote really is fairly one sided its not going to affect and serious outcomes
Thats why im leaving it up to the vote really, although i agree that a rash really is a negligible excuse as to why he should change her LOL
Whatever the outcome although currently the vote really is fairly one sided its not going to affect and serious outcomes
Thats why im leaving it up to the vote really, although i agree that a rash really is a negligible excuse as to why he should change her LOL
At the same time though if she had thrown up on her dress, she'd at least have underwear and a bra on (assuming that didn't get dirty since clothes are good about catching that sometimes). Changing a diaper is making 'private' areas visible, and is also a more embarassing situation for gemma since she already was embarassed about the need for the diapers overall.
It's a tough situation though, and i'd be curious to see how it'd play out irl what with the habit people have of calling 'rape' and false accusations and such. (Not saying any of the two would, just that it happens irl)
It's a tough situation though, and i'd be curious to see how it'd play out irl what with the habit people have of calling 'rape' and false accusations and such. (Not saying any of the two would, just that it happens irl)
yeah... that's just it though, agreeing with sila... and you... its so hard to decide. both options just have so many different good and bad sides... however, I would have to say in his shoes, it would seem more gentlemanly to me to change her than to leave her there... but crossing those boundaries would be very hard, especially with how independent Gem is... I'ts just so hard to decide in the long run XD
While it doesn't affect the plot, I'll openly say that if he changes her, I'll likely stop reading this.
I'm sure my individual readership isn't that important (I've never even commissioned you), but there's a reason I said "likely". If you decide he does change her, I'll read at least far enough to see her reaction. If at that point it seems completely out of character, I don't see a reason to continue. While plot-wise this is a trivial decision, it speaks volumes about the characters, and drastically alters the character dynamic. I can't perceive of a way that Gem would be okay with this. I could see Paul doing it, even if that seems a bit off of how I think of him now, but everything we've learned about Gem up until this point says that this would be a HUGE no-no, and I even find it hard to swallow that Paul wouldn't know her well enough to know to keep private things private.
No offense, but if he changes her right away, I don't actually see a big difference between it and smut. It's taken a while to get to it, but it just seems like a "smut" kind of scenario. Guy takes a girl on a date, girl drinks so much she wets herself, turns out she's wearing a diaper, guy changes her... Yeah, totally sounds more like smut than the rest of the story, especially if afterwards she's okay with it (or even enjoys it). I honestly don't believe a non-ABDL would change someone they've only been on a first date with (and Paul freely admits she's so private he doesn't really know her), and it just seems like this is really toeing the line.
I really don't think this should go on pure votes, but actually assess both sides of the argument. The "change her" side is mostly made of people saying to change her with no justification other than they want to see her get changed, regardless of the characters' personalities. The only real argument they've made is that it's "gentlemanly" to change her and that she might get a rash or suffer other discomfort due to it being wet. The last reason we can all agree is just not true. Whether it's "gentlemanly" is the real question.
I think it would be more gentlemanly to not see her naked for the first time without her permission, but maybe that's just me. Even the puke part I wouldn't take her clothes off. I'd wipe off the puke, and clean it as best I could with a wet wash cloth, but I wouldn't actually take her clothes off without permission. It's not going to kill her, or even hurt her, so I don't see a reason to take that choice from her.
Ultimately it's your decision, but I strongly believe that if he does choose to change her, it will cripple the story's otherwise stellar tone thus far.
I'm sure my individual readership isn't that important (I've never even commissioned you), but there's a reason I said "likely". If you decide he does change her, I'll read at least far enough to see her reaction. If at that point it seems completely out of character, I don't see a reason to continue. While plot-wise this is a trivial decision, it speaks volumes about the characters, and drastically alters the character dynamic. I can't perceive of a way that Gem would be okay with this. I could see Paul doing it, even if that seems a bit off of how I think of him now, but everything we've learned about Gem up until this point says that this would be a HUGE no-no, and I even find it hard to swallow that Paul wouldn't know her well enough to know to keep private things private.
No offense, but if he changes her right away, I don't actually see a big difference between it and smut. It's taken a while to get to it, but it just seems like a "smut" kind of scenario. Guy takes a girl on a date, girl drinks so much she wets herself, turns out she's wearing a diaper, guy changes her... Yeah, totally sounds more like smut than the rest of the story, especially if afterwards she's okay with it (or even enjoys it). I honestly don't believe a non-ABDL would change someone they've only been on a first date with (and Paul freely admits she's so private he doesn't really know her), and it just seems like this is really toeing the line.
I really don't think this should go on pure votes, but actually assess both sides of the argument. The "change her" side is mostly made of people saying to change her with no justification other than they want to see her get changed, regardless of the characters' personalities. The only real argument they've made is that it's "gentlemanly" to change her and that she might get a rash or suffer other discomfort due to it being wet. The last reason we can all agree is just not true. Whether it's "gentlemanly" is the real question.
I think it would be more gentlemanly to not see her naked for the first time without her permission, but maybe that's just me. Even the puke part I wouldn't take her clothes off. I'd wipe off the puke, and clean it as best I could with a wet wash cloth, but I wouldn't actually take her clothes off without permission. It's not going to kill her, or even hurt her, so I don't see a reason to take that choice from her.
Ultimately it's your decision, but I strongly believe that if he does choose to change her, it will cripple the story's otherwise stellar tone thus far.
im truely sorry you feel THAT strongly about this, and if your not comfy with a potential nappy change scene then well...im definetly gonna be losing you as a reader later down the line....and actually the next dream sequence coming up you probably should just skip completely Ultimately this is a babyfur comic, only it has a slightly different plot to most. Ive always been sensative to how i deal with the diaper change sequences in this comic the one potentially coming up isn't going to be any different in that aspect. i wouldnt do anything out of character, ive invested too much into this comic to annihilate the storyline in one page
I don't have an issue with her being changed. I think you're missing my point. The dream sequences have changes, but they are babies being changed by people that are supposed to be changing them. I just think it's too early in their relationship for him to do this, and it's really not the same. Gem is only slowly coming to accept that she might be okay with this, and it just seems like too much of a jump to skip right to this, especially with a guy that hardly knows her outside of work.
Like I said, I'll keep watching a bit after to see if it makes sense in context, but if it feels like the only reason she was changed was "fan service", then I can no longer recommend this comic. While it's not smut, I would no longer consider it to have the same integrity it had before. Maybe she'll get changed and it will actually work out in a way that doesn't feel fake, and if it does I'll continue reading and I'll admit I was wrong, but I get the feeling it's not going to be like that. I hope you can pull it off and make it work, but I can't help but think it would probably be better in the long-term if he doesn't change her.
Like I said, I'll keep watching a bit after to see if it makes sense in context, but if it feels like the only reason she was changed was "fan service", then I can no longer recommend this comic. While it's not smut, I would no longer consider it to have the same integrity it had before. Maybe she'll get changed and it will actually work out in a way that doesn't feel fake, and if it does I'll continue reading and I'll admit I was wrong, but I get the feeling it's not going to be like that. I hope you can pull it off and make it work, but I can't help but think it would probably be better in the long-term if he doesn't change her.
Um...I think you're getting WAAAAAAY too into a web comic. Causing drama and getting so upset over it.
Some people may be reading this for the sexual aspect, yes, but not all of them. People are entitled to their opinions without being labeled as instant perverts because all they said was "yeah change her", instead of going into a 3 paragraph, elaborate response on the matter like it was some huge political debate.
I, for one, very much dislike "cub" stuff. I can understand the reasons, but I don't fancy it myself. This comic however has a VERY interesting story, and I'm sure I'm not the only reader who likes the comic not for the diapers but for the story and writing. I'm sure the author knows this.
And for someone who's getting so upset over a fictional character in a webcomic possibly being changed out of her diaper because it may possibly be a sexual aspect, you sure have your mind in the gutter. Why would you automatically go to "Oh no, everyone wants her changed because of something sexual or smutty"? First thing I thought of was "if she DOESN'T get changed, she'll get an awful rash, not to mention sitting in her own piss all night, ugh..."
Some people may be reading this for the sexual aspect, yes, but not all of them. People are entitled to their opinions without being labeled as instant perverts because all they said was "yeah change her", instead of going into a 3 paragraph, elaborate response on the matter like it was some huge political debate.
I, for one, very much dislike "cub" stuff. I can understand the reasons, but I don't fancy it myself. This comic however has a VERY interesting story, and I'm sure I'm not the only reader who likes the comic not for the diapers but for the story and writing. I'm sure the author knows this.
And for someone who's getting so upset over a fictional character in a webcomic possibly being changed out of her diaper because it may possibly be a sexual aspect, you sure have your mind in the gutter. Why would you automatically go to "Oh no, everyone wants her changed because of something sexual or smutty"? First thing I thought of was "if she DOESN'T get changed, she'll get an awful rash, not to mention sitting in her own piss all night, ugh..."
I figured I was gonna get something like this eventually...
I'm not "way too into a webcomic". I just figure if I'm going to say something, I'm going to go all out. I don't really see a point in saying like one thing and leaving.
I'm not really "upset" about it. either. If she chooses to do that, it's not going to hurt me. Won't really affect me at all, to be honest. I'll just move on as if nothing happened. The reason I put a long response is that Toddlergirl has put a lot of time into this, and contrary to what some people might say, this actually drastically changes the characters. If she does it and later regrets it, there's really no retcon that will fix it.
And... clearly you don't have experience with diapers. Adults have much tougher skin than babies, and can wear diapers for way longer without risking a rash. Her urine is also diluted from all the liquids she consumed, so it's even less likely than normal. She's really not at risk of getting an "awful rash", and I have a feeling that girls that wear diapers regularly (which Paul assumes she does so far) would rather be in a wet diaper than have someone they hardly know (which they both freely admitted just a couple pages ago that they hardly know each other) take their clothes off and see them naked. Doubly so for girls like Gem who are extremely private people.
I also never said that the people were thinking of it sexually when they said they wanted her changed. I said that they were projecting themselves onto the character. They would wish to be changed in that situation. The difference is that they are babyfurs that want to wear diapers, whereas up until this point Gem has hated it, except for a few minor moments of "maybe I'll get used to this". It's totally out of character for her to be okay with a guy taking her clothes off while she's unconscious, and the diaper not only doesn't change that, but potentially makes it even worse for her.
Separately, if he changes her and it's all fine and dandy, then it starts to sound like a lot of smut stories... just without the smut. And that's not a good thing. Smut stories are usually extremely contrived, and that's how it will feel if she gets changed and then is just like "whatever".
Honestly, I'm not even really that "into" this comic, I'm just thorough in my comments. I don't even think about it until I see an update in my submission thingy. Heck, in my initial comment I thought Paul's name was Leo, and it wasn't until after I posted and read a couple other comments that I realised his name is Paul.
I'm just trying to post a comment on the subject that takes into account how the characters would react based on what we've already been shown of them, and I think that it is unlikely that Paul would change her (not impossible, but unlikely), but that if he did, it would be a very big deal to Gem, and not in a good way.
This is one of the few stories in the AB/DL/Babyfur community that actually comes off well when trying to show the different feelings that babyfurs et al. come to terms with, and I think that him changing her would be detrimental to the tone that's been set thus far. If it's not handled particularly careful, this story will be no different than the other tonnes that are just AB fantasy (most of which are smut, which is why I compared it to that).
I think that's the root of the problem. Paul changing her seems too much like an AB fantasy. I'm aware this story has some fantastic elements, like the dream sequences, but that's not what I mean by fantasy. Him changing her as nonchalantly as others make it out to be sounds like wishful fantasy. Stuff that people WANT to happen to them that is so unlikely that it breaks the suspension of disbelief in someone's writing if it does.
Actually, as an aside, changing an adult is kind of difficult to do. As far as I'm aware, places like nursing homes require at least two people at a time when changing another person to compensate for the size difference. I don't even really see how Paul will be able to change her without waking her up to help him. Even if he were able to grab both her legs with one hand and lift them like a baby, the tail will be in the way, as well as he would be so stretched out he couldn't remove the diaper, clean her, or put the new one under her. Try and lift a person's leg and put something under them with the other hand, it's not easy. IRL the other person usually helps by lifting their hips into the air or something so you can slide diapers in/out, at which point Gem would probably want to do it herself.
I'm not "way too into a webcomic". I just figure if I'm going to say something, I'm going to go all out. I don't really see a point in saying like one thing and leaving.
I'm not really "upset" about it. either. If she chooses to do that, it's not going to hurt me. Won't really affect me at all, to be honest. I'll just move on as if nothing happened. The reason I put a long response is that Toddlergirl has put a lot of time into this, and contrary to what some people might say, this actually drastically changes the characters. If she does it and later regrets it, there's really no retcon that will fix it.
And... clearly you don't have experience with diapers. Adults have much tougher skin than babies, and can wear diapers for way longer without risking a rash. Her urine is also diluted from all the liquids she consumed, so it's even less likely than normal. She's really not at risk of getting an "awful rash", and I have a feeling that girls that wear diapers regularly (which Paul assumes she does so far) would rather be in a wet diaper than have someone they hardly know (which they both freely admitted just a couple pages ago that they hardly know each other) take their clothes off and see them naked. Doubly so for girls like Gem who are extremely private people.
I also never said that the people were thinking of it sexually when they said they wanted her changed. I said that they were projecting themselves onto the character. They would wish to be changed in that situation. The difference is that they are babyfurs that want to wear diapers, whereas up until this point Gem has hated it, except for a few minor moments of "maybe I'll get used to this". It's totally out of character for her to be okay with a guy taking her clothes off while she's unconscious, and the diaper not only doesn't change that, but potentially makes it even worse for her.
Separately, if he changes her and it's all fine and dandy, then it starts to sound like a lot of smut stories... just without the smut. And that's not a good thing. Smut stories are usually extremely contrived, and that's how it will feel if she gets changed and then is just like "whatever".
Honestly, I'm not even really that "into" this comic, I'm just thorough in my comments. I don't even think about it until I see an update in my submission thingy. Heck, in my initial comment I thought Paul's name was Leo, and it wasn't until after I posted and read a couple other comments that I realised his name is Paul.
I'm just trying to post a comment on the subject that takes into account how the characters would react based on what we've already been shown of them, and I think that it is unlikely that Paul would change her (not impossible, but unlikely), but that if he did, it would be a very big deal to Gem, and not in a good way.
This is one of the few stories in the AB/DL/Babyfur community that actually comes off well when trying to show the different feelings that babyfurs et al. come to terms with, and I think that him changing her would be detrimental to the tone that's been set thus far. If it's not handled particularly careful, this story will be no different than the other tonnes that are just AB fantasy (most of which are smut, which is why I compared it to that).
I think that's the root of the problem. Paul changing her seems too much like an AB fantasy. I'm aware this story has some fantastic elements, like the dream sequences, but that's not what I mean by fantasy. Him changing her as nonchalantly as others make it out to be sounds like wishful fantasy. Stuff that people WANT to happen to them that is so unlikely that it breaks the suspension of disbelief in someone's writing if it does.
Actually, as an aside, changing an adult is kind of difficult to do. As far as I'm aware, places like nursing homes require at least two people at a time when changing another person to compensate for the size difference. I don't even really see how Paul will be able to change her without waking her up to help him. Even if he were able to grab both her legs with one hand and lift them like a baby, the tail will be in the way, as well as he would be so stretched out he couldn't remove the diaper, clean her, or put the new one under her. Try and lift a person's leg and put something under them with the other hand, it's not easy. IRL the other person usually helps by lifting their hips into the air or something so you can slide diapers in/out, at which point Gem would probably want to do it herself.
I'm also going to weigh in in Zephypup's defense. Sure he's being verbose about it, I think this is a difficult sort of concern to put into words.
It's about autonomy and trust.
There doesn't have to be anything "sexual" about it. They have no prior agreement, she has not consented to being stripped down and cleaned while unconscious, she barely knows the guy and he barely knows her, and she is in no practical danger. I personally think that if he chose to take on this responsibility, he would be seriously overstepping his bounds.
But I am not AB/DL, and I do not know how many in the fandom would expect strangers to step up as their caretakers and to service their toiletry needs.
It doesn't have to be sexual but it represents a level of intimacy I don't think the characters have yet established a rapport for.
What's meant to happen if she comes too naked, just after he's got the nappy off and before he's gotten it's replacement on? Should Gem just take it on faith that Paul is to be trusted in such a position? I follow that we-the-reader are supposed to trust Paul so much, but does Gem have enough backstory with him to support that? Put simply, if this happened to you in real life, and your backstory matched gem's, how much access to your private parts would you expect your first date with a guy you hardly know to have while you're passed out and vulnerable?
I think Zephypup's point on "fan service" is that this threatens to be a G-rated analogue to bodice ripping in a romance novel. Where one character invades another's boundaries "in just the way they need it". While that makes for a compelling fantasy for the reader who would be overjoyed to have their boundaries overstepped in an identical fashion, "swept away by a gentleman stranger" as it were, it is a poor pattern for real-life behavior because it puts immense culpability in the hands of the suitor.
It's about autonomy and trust.
There doesn't have to be anything "sexual" about it. They have no prior agreement, she has not consented to being stripped down and cleaned while unconscious, she barely knows the guy and he barely knows her, and she is in no practical danger. I personally think that if he chose to take on this responsibility, he would be seriously overstepping his bounds.
But I am not AB/DL, and I do not know how many in the fandom would expect strangers to step up as their caretakers and to service their toiletry needs.
It doesn't have to be sexual but it represents a level of intimacy I don't think the characters have yet established a rapport for.
What's meant to happen if she comes too naked, just after he's got the nappy off and before he's gotten it's replacement on? Should Gem just take it on faith that Paul is to be trusted in such a position? I follow that we-the-reader are supposed to trust Paul so much, but does Gem have enough backstory with him to support that? Put simply, if this happened to you in real life, and your backstory matched gem's, how much access to your private parts would you expect your first date with a guy you hardly know to have while you're passed out and vulnerable?
I think Zephypup's point on "fan service" is that this threatens to be a G-rated analogue to bodice ripping in a romance novel. Where one character invades another's boundaries "in just the way they need it". While that makes for a compelling fantasy for the reader who would be overjoyed to have their boundaries overstepped in an identical fashion, "swept away by a gentleman stranger" as it were, it is a poor pattern for real-life behavior because it puts immense culpability in the hands of the suitor.
There is a different way of thinking about it! It's true, this is a comic made by a babyfur for babyfurs, but that doesn't mean that in this particular situation, the in-character reasons for a diaper change are fetish-oriented. Paul is not an AB/DL, and his first thought when finding out that Gem's wearing a diaper are not of a fetish, but of medical reasons for wearing the diaper (which, in the waking world, Gem's reasons actually ARE currently!).
In such a case, changing an intoxicated person is little different from changing a disabled person--in both cases, the individual wearing the diaper is incapable, permanently or temporarily, of changing themselves, so the individual changing the diaper is doing so to care for that person's needs. In real-world terms, real adults who wear diapers for medical reasons get changes all the time and there's nothing smutty about it.
In such a case, changing an intoxicated person is little different from changing a disabled person--in both cases, the individual wearing the diaper is incapable, permanently or temporarily, of changing themselves, so the individual changing the diaper is doing so to care for that person's needs. In real-world terms, real adults who wear diapers for medical reasons get changes all the time and there's nothing smutty about it.
So, just to be clear, if I'm at a college party and some girl I don't know gets wasted, passes out and pees herself (pretty common result of getting wasted, btw..) it becomes cricket for me to undress her and change her clothes and underpants while she's unconscious? Give her a shower and sponge her down? Will "I had to act quickly or she might have woke up with a wicked rash" be a valid defense when you're accused of date-rape?
Let's be honest, now. "Kids, don't try this at home" and "Your mileage may vary".
Let's be honest, now. "Kids, don't try this at home" and "Your mileage may vary".
Yes... except those people are usually physically incapable of changing themselves, which changes everything. It's VERY different from changing an intoxicated person. If the person is capable of changing themselves, they don't need people to change them. At all. She's not going to die from it, and even her chances of getting a rash are very low.
You're also missing the point. It's not that I think it is smutty as in sexual, it's that is is so unlikely that it seems more like a smut story. For instance, if a girl buys pizza, the pizza guy is highly unlikely to be a super buff guy that strips off his clothes and sleeps with her because she doesn't have the money to afford the pizza. If instead of sleeping with her, they just snuggled, it's still extremely unlikely, and sounds "like a smut story" without the smut. It's wishful fantasy fulfillment that just sounds dumb from the outside looking in.
Paul isn't a professional caretaker for the disabled who changes their diapers for them, and Gem isn't disabled, so it's really not analogous to that at all. Whether or not he has good intentions, Gem would never be able to know for sure. All she will know is a guy she's just getting to know took her clothes off while she was passed out. He may or may not have done more, but she'll have no way to know.
And before you say that she knows him well enough that he wouldn't do something like that, there are two problems. One, it's fairly common that people that actually do that stuff are ones you'd never have expected to do it, because they act like standup guys in public. Secondly, they just established that they actually don't know each other very well, so for all Gem knows, he's actually a total tosser. Not saying that he is, but I can see his internal monologues and stuff, while Gem can only see what Toddlergirl has Paul say out loud, and even then there's a possibility that he's lying.
You also seem to be completely ignoring Gem's character so far. She's EXTREMELY private. To the point that she needs help for it. Based on that, it wouldn't matter if it were in her best interests, he took it upon himself to see her body without her permission, the ultimate sense of vulnerability. In real life, people don't just get over issues like that overnight.
Also, people keep saying "she's drunk, she won't even know"... That's just really creepy, and the only other times I've heard that are practical jokes and date rape, and this certainly isn't a practical joke. Legally, I'm sure Paul could get in trouble. Actually, don't they work in a legal setting? Wouldn't he consider that chance of it happening to be too much of a deterrent to change her? It would be weird if she doesn't at least consider that he might have done stuff if he was willing to strip her while she was unconscious, and the logical next step would be to press charges. Even if he didn't go all the way, I'm sure there's a law that covers this. Then, even if things rule in Paul's favour, the accusation alone will ruin his life.
That last point I feel is the strongest. How could Paul ever risk his entire life and the chance of getting some form of sexual assault charge just to change a girl's diaper because it might be a little uncomfortable? Working in a legal department would make him take this a million times more seriously than the average person. Even if the readers don't think Gem would do it, what Paul's seen so far indicates that there is a good chance it could go in that direction.
The more and more it gets talked about, the more it feels like changing her is just "too convenient" for the story. I've been surprised before by stuff being taken in a direction I didn't expect, but I unfortunately don't think that's how it's going to work out.
You're also missing the point. It's not that I think it is smutty as in sexual, it's that is is so unlikely that it seems more like a smut story. For instance, if a girl buys pizza, the pizza guy is highly unlikely to be a super buff guy that strips off his clothes and sleeps with her because she doesn't have the money to afford the pizza. If instead of sleeping with her, they just snuggled, it's still extremely unlikely, and sounds "like a smut story" without the smut. It's wishful fantasy fulfillment that just sounds dumb from the outside looking in.
Paul isn't a professional caretaker for the disabled who changes their diapers for them, and Gem isn't disabled, so it's really not analogous to that at all. Whether or not he has good intentions, Gem would never be able to know for sure. All she will know is a guy she's just getting to know took her clothes off while she was passed out. He may or may not have done more, but she'll have no way to know.
And before you say that she knows him well enough that he wouldn't do something like that, there are two problems. One, it's fairly common that people that actually do that stuff are ones you'd never have expected to do it, because they act like standup guys in public. Secondly, they just established that they actually don't know each other very well, so for all Gem knows, he's actually a total tosser. Not saying that he is, but I can see his internal monologues and stuff, while Gem can only see what Toddlergirl has Paul say out loud, and even then there's a possibility that he's lying.
You also seem to be completely ignoring Gem's character so far. She's EXTREMELY private. To the point that she needs help for it. Based on that, it wouldn't matter if it were in her best interests, he took it upon himself to see her body without her permission, the ultimate sense of vulnerability. In real life, people don't just get over issues like that overnight.
Also, people keep saying "she's drunk, she won't even know"... That's just really creepy, and the only other times I've heard that are practical jokes and date rape, and this certainly isn't a practical joke. Legally, I'm sure Paul could get in trouble. Actually, don't they work in a legal setting? Wouldn't he consider that chance of it happening to be too much of a deterrent to change her? It would be weird if she doesn't at least consider that he might have done stuff if he was willing to strip her while she was unconscious, and the logical next step would be to press charges. Even if he didn't go all the way, I'm sure there's a law that covers this. Then, even if things rule in Paul's favour, the accusation alone will ruin his life.
That last point I feel is the strongest. How could Paul ever risk his entire life and the chance of getting some form of sexual assault charge just to change a girl's diaper because it might be a little uncomfortable? Working in a legal department would make him take this a million times more seriously than the average person. Even if the readers don't think Gem would do it, what Paul's seen so far indicates that there is a good chance it could go in that direction.
The more and more it gets talked about, the more it feels like changing her is just "too convenient" for the story. I've been surprised before by stuff being taken in a direction I didn't expect, but I unfortunately don't think that's how it's going to work out.
Dont Chang her. I am absolut argee with
redneckfur
It was an an invasion in her privacy.
Get her a bath towel form her bathroom and an extra blanket from her Sofa ( if Gem have some on her sofa) and wrap them in it so it was not cold for her. Pick up a bucket from her kitchen ( or so) and put it in a case that she vormit. And then let a signal in her room ( your coat perhaps) that you stay in her living room and sleep on her sofa. If Gem Wake up he can say that he is worry about Gem and that is the reason why he is staying here and not leave too his one Home...

It was an an invasion in her privacy.
Get her a bath towel form her bathroom and an extra blanket from her Sofa ( if Gem have some on her sofa) and wrap them in it so it was not cold for her. Pick up a bucket from her kitchen ( or so) and put it in a case that she vormit. And then let a signal in her room ( your coat perhaps) that you stay in her living room and sleep on her sofa. If Gem Wake up he can say that he is worry about Gem and that is the reason why he is staying here and not leave too his one Home...
i think change her i think it would show gem that he cares a lot for HER not for silly stuff like this. tbh if this happened to me i would rather someone change me then wake up to find myself in a VERY nasty diaper. from experience of changing my brothers diaper i left it alone for like 5 hours lets just say it wasnt very good for him he got a rash <.<
Gem you realize you're asking a bunch of babyfurs and diaperfurs etc whether or not someone should get a diaper change...People are going to ignore logic or plot and go with their fantasy ideas and say change her.
Realistically, I wouldn't change her but I'd try to wake her up. It'd be an invasion of privacy and completely awkward to change her. How would he know where the 'supplies' are at anyway? And when she's leaking that bad, she'd need a change of clothes too. Having someone you work with change your leaking diaper and change your clothes when you're passed out drunk isnt' exactly..."good". It could also affect his work or relationship with her.
Realistically, I wouldn't change her but I'd try to wake her up. It'd be an invasion of privacy and completely awkward to change her. How would he know where the 'supplies' are at anyway? And when she's leaking that bad, she'd need a change of clothes too. Having someone you work with change your leaking diaper and change your clothes when you're passed out drunk isnt' exactly..."good". It could also affect his work or relationship with her.
Also she won't get a rash that easily unless alcohol increases the ammonia content in urine. She was drinking a lot of liquids (albeit alcohol), so the ammonia will be dilluted.
A rash is caused by ammonia breaking down the skin, so with a heavily dilluted amount touching the skin...(heck, touching the fur before the skin), it'll be a good while before she got a rash. I've slept overnight in wet padding without drinking much and never got a rash.
A rash is caused by ammonia breaking down the skin, so with a heavily dilluted amount touching the skin...(heck, touching the fur before the skin), it'll be a good while before she got a rash. I've slept overnight in wet padding without drinking much and never got a rash.
this is so detalished!!
but have not thought that she will feel bad anyway, just as, if the changes or not. Anyway I think if both are making good friends, for the best is that do the best for her to feel better the next day, I do not think that with a hangover she feels ready to get up and change it and besides bed. Because during the night also going to release their excess hydration.
but have not thought that she will feel bad anyway, just as, if the changes or not. Anyway I think if both are making good friends, for the best is that do the best for her to feel better the next day, I do not think that with a hangover she feels ready to get up and change it and besides bed. Because during the night also going to release their excess hydration.
Because the kiss would've been romantically/sexually motivated. Changing her is just a case of taking care of immediate hygiene needs of someone passed-out drunk, little different from getting a bucket in case she has to vomit (and I would not be surprised if he did that as well). He's not an AB/DL, so it's not sexually motivated at all.
Don't Change her.
I agree with what
posted. Most people who visit FA are looking to feed their fetish. When I am in a cubby mood, I am just an AB, not a DL (there could be a time and a place for that)
But I think it would violate her trust in Paul. I mean, this was their FIRST date.. and how would she know that he didn't take advantage of the situation to some degree?
It's too awkward of a situation.. Just my opinion.
I agree with what

But I think it would violate her trust in Paul. I mean, this was their FIRST date.. and how would she know that he didn't take advantage of the situation to some degree?
It's too awkward of a situation.. Just my opinion.
This seems like one of the most pivotal moments of the comic and you want US to decide what happens? XD
Gah!
My vote: Don't change her.
He might get caught if he tries, and if I were him I'd already feel guilty about looking and finding out while she was unconscious. Whereas if he leaves her alone (and sleeps on the couch, or leaves) he can clean his shirt and when she wakes up he can pretend he didn't notice anything (as if she didn't leak until after she was put to bed). In that hypothetical situation there's still an elephant in the room but at least it can be tactfully addressed at a later point instead of being out in the open when Gem is unprepared. And morally, it's probably better than removing an unconscious girl's undergarments on the first date. ;)
One quick off topic thought, not that it's a big deal but I always thought "padded" was a euphemism created by babyfurs/AB/DLs. Weird seeing it in "common" usage.
Gah!
My vote: Don't change her.
He might get caught if he tries, and if I were him I'd already feel guilty about looking and finding out while she was unconscious. Whereas if he leaves her alone (and sleeps on the couch, or leaves) he can clean his shirt and when she wakes up he can pretend he didn't notice anything (as if she didn't leak until after she was put to bed). In that hypothetical situation there's still an elephant in the room but at least it can be tactfully addressed at a later point instead of being out in the open when Gem is unprepared. And morally, it's probably better than removing an unconscious girl's undergarments on the first date. ;)
One quick off topic thought, not that it's a big deal but I always thought "padded" was a euphemism created by babyfurs/AB/DLs. Weird seeing it in "common" usage.
I'm surprised to see my vote is in the minority, btw. I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that the "change her" votes are all "fantasy fulfillment" votes, but I'm sure some are.
Speaking for all of us who actually stopped to think about the characters and make a considerate decision, whatever their vote: You have really drawn us into this story and making us care for the characters you've written. Amazing job!
Speaking for all of us who actually stopped to think about the characters and make a considerate decision, whatever their vote: You have really drawn us into this story and making us care for the characters you've written. Amazing job!
i think it's mostly cause anyone seeing this will likely be in the know about the whole padding scene with said people already... but let's say these same people were out with someone from work and this happens to them and they DON'T know how they'd react to finding out...
it's a little harder when they themselves are in the situation unless they have a MAJOR exhibitionist streak.
fantasy fulfillment is a good way of summing it up though, most people don't place themselves in the characters shoes and it's easy to vote from the outside when the outcome does not affect you :)
it's a little harder when they themselves are in the situation unless they have a MAJOR exhibitionist streak.
fantasy fulfillment is a good way of summing it up though, most people don't place themselves in the characters shoes and it's easy to vote from the outside when the outcome does not affect you :)
Yes. It's a consideration that
sila also brought up above. All in all though I just appreciate seeing a comic strip on FA that isn't just mindless smut and actually makes people think hard about stuff. :)

Squid .. that is a tough one.
The kidfur in me votes: change
The guy who worked in a hospital votes at least for getting her out of the drenched clothes and stay to watch over her so that nothing happens to her. In case she throws up and aspirates if she is wasted like this. But if she would really be that wasted and on the brink of alcohol poisoning it would be time for a trip to the hospital.
But I think she did not drink _that_ much.
So the rational guy in me votes for not changing her and mayhaps try to wake her up. If that's not gonna work, maybe cover her with a big towel , bring her a bucket, stay in the living room and watch over her.
So yeah, I'm voting for privacy and decency over a possible but very unlikely rash.
The kidfur in me votes: change
The guy who worked in a hospital votes at least for getting her out of the drenched clothes and stay to watch over her so that nothing happens to her. In case she throws up and aspirates if she is wasted like this. But if she would really be that wasted and on the brink of alcohol poisoning it would be time for a trip to the hospital.
But I think she did not drink _that_ much.
So the rational guy in me votes for not changing her and mayhaps try to wake her up. If that's not gonna work, maybe cover her with a big towel , bring her a bucket, stay in the living room and watch over her.
So yeah, I'm voting for privacy and decency over a possible but very unlikely rash.
as entertaining as this would be to see her get changed... for the sake of the story, i'd say no, he should not. He doesn't know how long she's been wearing diapers and for all he knows she's used to waking wet...
not to mention there is no way to hide the fact that he'd know regardless...
so i would say no... he should NOT change her, but i would likely spend the night to be there for her in the morning if at all possible. Should this situation occur again, then okay, but it has to be on a level mutual understanding. there's too much of a risk that Gem would feel taken advantage of and the whole chance at a relationship would have a certain tension to it if it even continued at all.
this isn't speaking from my personal point of view but how I would feel if I were in the character's shoes. from both angles.
hope that helps :)
not to mention there is no way to hide the fact that he'd know regardless...
so i would say no... he should NOT change her, but i would likely spend the night to be there for her in the morning if at all possible. Should this situation occur again, then okay, but it has to be on a level mutual understanding. there's too much of a risk that Gem would feel taken advantage of and the whole chance at a relationship would have a certain tension to it if it even continued at all.
this isn't speaking from my personal point of view but how I would feel if I were in the character's shoes. from both angles.
hope that helps :)
I think he should change her.
We all know Paul is a good guy, and would never hurt her, and as a friend wouldn't oogle over her private parts.
It wouldn't be very friend-like to leave your friend soaked on a bed, to suffer from it the next day.
I know if I were in the situation that he was in, I would change my friend, not wanting them to wake up uncomfortable, smelly, and embarrassed. ^^
Paul wouldn't be a perv, he knows it, Gem knows it, we know it ^^
We all know Paul is a good guy, and would never hurt her, and as a friend wouldn't oogle over her private parts.
It wouldn't be very friend-like to leave your friend soaked on a bed, to suffer from it the next day.
I know if I were in the situation that he was in, I would change my friend, not wanting them to wake up uncomfortable, smelly, and embarrassed. ^^
Paul wouldn't be a perv, he knows it, Gem knows it, we know it ^^
you know im surprised more people havent taken this veiw. personally your choice would be my choice and i share the same reasoning as you. however my husband takes the veiw that he shouldnt change her cause she might assume he did more to her than just change her out of wet clothes. ooh the controversy of it all
^^ Yay!
That's a good point your husband has x3 It's very true and me being the kind of person I am, I would assume the worst.
I can't see Gem thinking Paul would do that too her, because his personality, his job, everything would affect his decision and he would end up with a criminal record over his head, and I don't see Paul wanting that! Paul is an extremely honest guy, and he clearly loves Gemma, considering he's been trying to get her to go out with him all throughout this comic and probably before! He clearly loves her, and wouldn't want to harm the girl he's loved for a long time :3
I think he should leave her a note saying that it's all okay though, and maybe some flowers to romance her a little ^//^ Make her get butterflies in her tummy c: This is a once in a lifetime opportunity
That's a good point your husband has x3 It's very true and me being the kind of person I am, I would assume the worst.
I can't see Gem thinking Paul would do that too her, because his personality, his job, everything would affect his decision and he would end up with a criminal record over his head, and I don't see Paul wanting that! Paul is an extremely honest guy, and he clearly loves Gemma, considering he's been trying to get her to go out with him all throughout this comic and probably before! He clearly loves her, and wouldn't want to harm the girl he's loved for a long time :3
I think he should leave her a note saying that it's all okay though, and maybe some flowers to romance her a little ^//^ Make her get butterflies in her tummy c: This is a once in a lifetime opportunity
if I had been soo drunk that I was completely urine soaked and unwakeable and you had decided to do that. I would be mortified at myself for having gotten that drunk that you did that. and obviously the guilt of being married and suchlike. (luckily gems life doesn't have that additional level of complication) but after the initial upsetness truthfully I probably would have thanked you but would certainly be feeling uncomfortable around you yep. that is of course assuming that on waking up with a he'll of a hangover you actually told me what you did. because being that wasted I don't think I would have memories of what went on
^This is exactly what I was thinking. As a fellow gentleman I know I would hate to leave a lady in such distress. Changing her as quickly as possible without the oogling would be the best choice, as well as washing/drying the dress. Gem might be mad about him changing her but it would be better than waking up cold and wet with a rash. Plus he would eventually get the chance to tell her what really happened.
Such a dilemma. To be a gentleman and leave her be or be a nice guy and change her. I'd be the smart thing to leave her as she is. That way he can pretend that he doesn't know, but that would cause a wedge to be driven between the two of them. If he changes her, she WILL find out he knows and be even more embarrassed. On the other hand that would make a better story for her to open up to him… that or she'll think that he's a pervert for looking below the skirt.
Oh the humanity!
My partner and I Vote NO (even if it doesn't count as two votes). Do not change her, but somehow let her know that Paul's still there for her. That's all that women really want, Security. To know that special someone is there for them and will not take advantage of them or expose their insecurities. Besides, that's the kind of thing that Paul would do. Or wouldn't do as the case would be.
Oh the humanity!
My partner and I Vote NO (even if it doesn't count as two votes). Do not change her, but somehow let her know that Paul's still there for her. That's all that women really want, Security. To know that special someone is there for them and will not take advantage of them or expose their insecurities. Besides, that's the kind of thing that Paul would do. Or wouldn't do as the case would be.
I say change her. She'll probably be angry either way
"you changed me and saw my private parts?"
"you left me to get an infection?"
Personally, I'd rather have my best friend see me naked than get an infection (but that's just me) and Paul could say what she did and that he changed her just so she wouldn't be infected, and stay over night... and, of course, apologize for doing it later that morning and staying over night would prove that he wasn't some sick creep, he stayed to face his consequences. If he changed her and left, Gem would probably feel like he only wanted to see her naked and quickly sneak out.
I'm glad Paul didn't run away when he saw Gem's diaper. He felt nervous that he stumbled upon it actually. Well, let's see what the next pages would show.
"you changed me and saw my private parts?"
"you left me to get an infection?"
Personally, I'd rather have my best friend see me naked than get an infection (but that's just me) and Paul could say what she did and that he changed her just so she wouldn't be infected, and stay over night... and, of course, apologize for doing it later that morning and staying over night would prove that he wasn't some sick creep, he stayed to face his consequences. If he changed her and left, Gem would probably feel like he only wanted to see her naked and quickly sneak out.
I'm glad Paul didn't run away when he saw Gem's diaper. He felt nervous that he stumbled upon it actually. Well, let's see what the next pages would show.
Interesting Science Fact: Alcohol consumption causes dehydration and the need to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6dzUOYTQtQ
You know it's true when it's told in song. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6dzUOYTQtQ
You know it's true when it's told in song. lol
Even still, a rash doesn't occur over just a few hours. Many babyfurs stay in a wet diaper for hours on end without changing, and with a lot more moving around. I've slept overnight soaked before without having drank anything all night and never got a rash, but I get heat/friction rashes all the time so my skin is actually kinda sensitive.
i would say dont change her but the reson behind it the plot can be that gem is embarresed thinking he saw and that can add more to there relation ship over a few pages then gem can reveale that she wears diapers showing her love and or trust in paul where as changeing her would result in a later ourburst of seeing her nakid as well as her diaper as for dont care i can see that being a emotional page later but it would have a short impact
TL;DR dont change
TL;DR dont change
extra post for paul himself he could be embarressed himself but showing gem that he cares but trying his hardest not to let her know that he knows that she wears diapers makeing it a rocky road and a more realistic reation to what the sinario is , it even adds more tension between them and could be a good part plot to show what there reactions would be trying to pluck up the corage to tell each other how they feel and what they have / seen
Well he knows about the diapers regardless of what happens in the next page, and the vote here on this page will only effect the next page and nothing else really. Theres no major significance as to whether he changes her or not. That probably doesnt make sense to most people because they dont know whats coming, but it'll all work out in the mix. hehe
as much as i would love for him to change her (so she doesnt get a rash and feel bad about it), i must say...
DON'T CHANGE HER!!!
why?... cuz if he leaves her like that, he can just lay her on the bed properly and leave, she would wake up and think that she wet while sleeping and Paul can just say he took her home while she was still awake and she passed out on the bed... she would never know, right??
tough decision tho...
DON'T CHANGE HER!!!
why?... cuz if he leaves her like that, he can just lay her on the bed properly and leave, she would wake up and think that she wet while sleeping and Paul can just say he took her home while she was still awake and she passed out on the bed... she would never know, right??
tough decision tho...
Well, whether he changes her or not, she is wet and he did find out. Even if he just leaves her there on the bed and runs away, she's going to wake up in a wet diaper that's leaked onto everything and know that he must have brought her home. It's a question of what else he does. Paul's in a sticky situation here.
For all he knows, Gemma's totally bladder incontinent. From his point of view, if the relationship had progressed some other way, he'd have found out about this sooner or later. So the question is ...
Does he change her? He doesn't know when she's going to regain consciousness. She might wake up while she's changing her and be very angry at his having that kind of intimate contact with her. Or she might not wake up until later -- that dress will need to be washed, as will his shirt, so he'll have to change her into another outfit or pajamas along with a dry diaper (which would mean going through her stuff to find a diaper to put her in, at the very least). Unless he just takes her diaper and dress off and lays her down in the bathtub or something.
Does he not change her? That wet diaper has to come off because it's already leaking, and she's going to wet it more. If he doesn't change her, it's just going to get worse for her dress and her bed. And she might get a rash, though in reality that takes quite a while. But again, he doesn't know how long it's going to be before she wakes up. He could also take her to a hospital or something, I suppose, since she clearly must have some sort of medical problem that he might not consider himself qualified to deal with.
She's going to be upset at herself no matter what happens, and at him to some degree or other. If he doesn't change her, she's going to be mad that he just left her that way, but if he does change her, she's going to be mad that he took such liberties with her privacy, in more ways than one. But in the end, she will at least be physically more comfortable if he changes her into a dry diaper and dry clothes.
So I vote: change her. And no matter what he does, he should definitely stay with her until she wakes back up and he can explain what happened.
I wonder whether he's an AB himself. He at least knows something about them. "I'm such a pervert," he says, because he suspected she was diapered, and he calls nappies "padding" at one point.
Anyway, this is really long! I updated the index.
For all he knows, Gemma's totally bladder incontinent. From his point of view, if the relationship had progressed some other way, he'd have found out about this sooner or later. So the question is ...
Does he change her? He doesn't know when she's going to regain consciousness. She might wake up while she's changing her and be very angry at his having that kind of intimate contact with her. Or she might not wake up until later -- that dress will need to be washed, as will his shirt, so he'll have to change her into another outfit or pajamas along with a dry diaper (which would mean going through her stuff to find a diaper to put her in, at the very least). Unless he just takes her diaper and dress off and lays her down in the bathtub or something.
Does he not change her? That wet diaper has to come off because it's already leaking, and she's going to wet it more. If he doesn't change her, it's just going to get worse for her dress and her bed. And she might get a rash, though in reality that takes quite a while. But again, he doesn't know how long it's going to be before she wakes up. He could also take her to a hospital or something, I suppose, since she clearly must have some sort of medical problem that he might not consider himself qualified to deal with.
She's going to be upset at herself no matter what happens, and at him to some degree or other. If he doesn't change her, she's going to be mad that he just left her that way, but if he does change her, she's going to be mad that he took such liberties with her privacy, in more ways than one. But in the end, she will at least be physically more comfortable if he changes her into a dry diaper and dry clothes.
So I vote: change her. And no matter what he does, he should definitely stay with her until she wakes back up and he can explain what happened.
I wonder whether he's an AB himself. He at least knows something about them. "I'm such a pervert," he says, because he suspected she was diapered, and he calls nappies "padding" at one point.
Anyway, this is really long! I updated the index.
*giggles* he was calling himself a pervert because he was looking up a girls skirt. I didnt think that padding was an AB exclusive word...perhaps because i hear it used all the time because im in these sorts of circles it just seemed like a natural word to use...but it probably isnt thinking about it now and ill hafta think of something else to use instead And yeah he is in a bit of a dire situation poor chap
I've only really seen "padding" and "padded" used to refer to diapers when it's babyfurs doing the talking--but the way I thought about it, Paul was not using "padded" as a euphemism, but meant that he wondered if her butt was LITERALLY padded out, looking bigger than it actually was, when he had earlier been staring at it.
Well I say change her she has a higher chance at a rash because the alcohol is a diuretic and it will make the urine more acidic. He can always do what they do to boy babies use a rag to cover the naughty bits ( usually for unsuspecting misfire lol :x). Like G.I. Joes say (Knowing is half the battle!! :O) =^w^= mew?
My vote would be for not changing her. Its way too much of a risk of being assumed to have taken advantage of her while she was out cold. I don't think he would want to risk absolutely ruing their relationship like that.
Though I do think he should be staying at her place for the night seeing as he'll need to non-smelly clothes to go back in. That way in the morning they can discuss everything on an even (albeit humiliating) playing field.
Really great story so far Gem.
Though I do think he should be staying at her place for the night seeing as he'll need to non-smelly clothes to go back in. That way in the morning they can discuss everything on an even (albeit humiliating) playing field.
Really great story so far Gem.
I usually don't vote because I'm indecisive but I think he should NOT change her. The reason why is because he knows that she likes her independence and I think it would be disrespectful to her if he ignored that and invaded her privacy and her private area by changing her. I can see how he may be caring for her and not want her to stay soaked like that but I just think it's more respectful if he didn't. Just my opinion though, either way it's a really great story and has me hooked =)
Fantasy wise, I would say he should change her. However since her clothes are soaked, he would also have to completely undress her. They both work in a law firm, correct? He should know better than to do this even though it is the "right" thing to do. To leave her soaked all night would bring up the possibility of a rash later.
My vote is I that Paul should not change her. (He doesn't even know where the supplies are, does he?) However, being a gentleman, Paul should stay until she is awake and coherent. He should just leave her on the bed, and go sit out on the couch while periodically checking on her throughout the night to see if she is awake.
Either way, change or not, there will definitely be a conversation about it in the morning, and they both will feel very awkward during. I just hope this doesn't write Paul out of the future.
My vote is I that Paul should not change her. (He doesn't even know where the supplies are, does he?) However, being a gentleman, Paul should stay until she is awake and coherent. He should just leave her on the bed, and go sit out on the couch while periodically checking on her throughout the night to see if she is awake.
Either way, change or not, there will definitely be a conversation about it in the morning, and they both will feel very awkward during. I just hope this doesn't write Paul out of the future.
Oh wow. Uh....maybe change her, get her out of the wet things, slip her under the blanket and stay there until morning? That way, she won't be full of questions when she wakes up, and he can be there to not only reaffirm that he still loves her, but also talk to her.
Man, this is a tough one. But, considering that he's already lifted up her dress while she's passed out drunk, and he can't very well leave her in a drenched diaper all night... I think he should at least change her into a dry diaper.
By the way, I don't know if I've asked this before or not, but is there a difference between diapers and nappies? Or is nappy just what they call diapers out in the UK?
By the way, I don't know if I've asked this before or not, but is there a difference between diapers and nappies? Or is nappy just what they call diapers out in the UK?
wow. i think its pretty unanimous... though i skipped a bunch of posts it seems like... 85-90% of the voters are saying have her changed. XD I say... What the heck. If the endings are already plotted out for changing her and not and are similar then i say change her. cus either they are gonna be bad. or good.
Parallel universe time! But if I had to choose... Myself I would opt not to, privacy and personal boundaries would be my main reasoning, but since it is a hypothetical situation, the devils avocate in me wants to see how it would unfold if he did it, but for me its a no...
Deleted scenes pleez!
Deleted scenes pleez!
Change her.
If it were me, I'd change her if the pack of fresh diapers were viewable somewhere, like on top of a bedside cupboard. If not, I'd still remove the wet one and any damp clothing - I'd just try and MacGyver together a diaper from a towel from the bathroom and a safety pin or two before putting her in bed. I'd want my friend/date to be able to sleep off the alcohol relatively comfortably and *not* lying in their own bodily fluids, which is why I'd bite the bullet and do it, but I wouldn't really want to go rooting too much around their belongings if I could avoid it. It's invasive enough that I'd have to see their lower half naked. @_@
If it were me, I'd change her if the pack of fresh diapers were viewable somewhere, like on top of a bedside cupboard. If not, I'd still remove the wet one and any damp clothing - I'd just try and MacGyver together a diaper from a towel from the bathroom and a safety pin or two before putting her in bed. I'd want my friend/date to be able to sleep off the alcohol relatively comfortably and *not* lying in their own bodily fluids, which is why I'd bite the bullet and do it, but I wouldn't really want to go rooting too much around their belongings if I could avoid it. It's invasive enough that I'd have to see their lower half naked. @_@
Changer her diaper.
Gemma was wasted but she definitely has some strong feelings toward him - even when I've been very, very drunk, it never altered how I felt about a person, it just made me more willing to express it or be ridiculous about it (I don't drink anymore). On that count, she shouldn't feel too violated. She also should know he's a decent hum...uh, lion, and didn't do anything further than just a diaper change, and that was only out of necessity.
It's already going to be horribly embarrassing enough, but TBH, I think it's just as embarrassing for Gemma to find out she's had her diaper changed as it would be to be left soaking in her own pee. It seems more like the major privacy invasion for her would be Paul finding out she wears diapers in the first place, and that since she has feelings toward him - fairly strong ones, at that - a diaper change should be able to be rationalized away without causing serious harm to their budding relationship.
I think it also has the potential for some interesting character development for Paul. This choice is *slightly* out of character for him, I feel, but not so entirely as to make it inconceivable. It's enough of a shift though that I think we'd be seeing something new in him, though.
Gemma was wasted but she definitely has some strong feelings toward him - even when I've been very, very drunk, it never altered how I felt about a person, it just made me more willing to express it or be ridiculous about it (I don't drink anymore). On that count, she shouldn't feel too violated. She also should know he's a decent hum...uh, lion, and didn't do anything further than just a diaper change, and that was only out of necessity.
It's already going to be horribly embarrassing enough, but TBH, I think it's just as embarrassing for Gemma to find out she's had her diaper changed as it would be to be left soaking in her own pee. It seems more like the major privacy invasion for her would be Paul finding out she wears diapers in the first place, and that since she has feelings toward him - fairly strong ones, at that - a diaper change should be able to be rationalized away without causing serious harm to their budding relationship.
I think it also has the potential for some interesting character development for Paul. This choice is *slightly* out of character for him, I feel, but not so entirely as to make it inconceivable. It's enough of a shift though that I think we'd be seeing something new in him, though.
Wake her up would be the safest thing to do, especially with an inexperienced drunk squirrel who seems to have low tolerance to alcohol... trying to change her would make it obvious to her he's discovered her secret, he could however to get her dress cleaned up though if she wakes up and she was like any other woman she'd probably freak out
Wow that's a lot of votes
As for me I say don't change her. Even though personally I'd enjoy it if someone changed me if this happened, I'm not sure how Gem would react.
If Paul was her BF then obviously it would be the proper thing to do but until he is I say he try and wake her up and failing that getting her a towel or other type of garment to protect the bed.
As for me I say don't change her. Even though personally I'd enjoy it if someone changed me if this happened, I'm not sure how Gem would react.
If Paul was her BF then obviously it would be the proper thing to do but until he is I say he try and wake her up and failing that getting her a towel or other type of garment to protect the bed.
Gosh, that's a hard choice. I think...she really needs to be changed for her to be comfortable, but if he does do it, she will be mortified and most likely very angry at the invasion of her privacy...Paul being the chivalrous person that he is, I can see him wanting to change her, because I don't think he is happy seeing someone suffering and not helping them. But on the other hand, he is probably thinking that if it were him on the bed in a leaky diaper, he might want to maintain the illusion of privacy about the whole diaper thing...If he changes her, she'll wake up dry, but find wet clothes, so she'll know she leaked and she'll be all oh my god someone - paul - changed me! Oh noes! But if he leaves her, he'll be upset for ages. But he'd rather take himself being upset over her being upset, other than the upset of her leaky diaper, which is a done deal. So I vote no on the change. Poor Gemmy & Paul.
Hmmm, now that's an odd situation to find yerself in. Hehe, to change or not to change? If you don't change her, she could get a rash and think you don't like her anymore, and would still be mortified, but on the other hand she may not realize she leaked before or after he left....
Changing her would show that he cares, but she would be mortified that he did it, and saw her nakie. Then again, she could take it as a sign of his acceptance and go with it. Hmmm, gurls are so complicated sometimes. Hehe
Changing her would show that he cares, but she would be mortified that he did it, and saw her nakie. Then again, she could take it as a sign of his acceptance and go with it. Hmmm, gurls are so complicated sometimes. Hehe
How long has he had a hunch for?
Mebbe since there was a crinklesquiiiiish.
Okies;
Change her
She is going to probably get a rash if he doesn't. The dress needs cleaned but that won't be too expensive. However it doesn't look like there's any protection on the bed and she's just going to leak more, possibly heavier if she wets again this will ruin the matress which is EXPENSIVES.
Dont change her
Paul you have already established yourself as a real gentleman changing her is maybe a step waaaaaaaay to far.
It's an event the relationship may never recover from and it's only just starting out.
So...
It's not that I don't care, i'm very intrested in the story it's more I don't mind either way both have good story potential and will cause short and long term problems for them both.
Buuuuuuut i'm going to vote for change her, not based of any rational here but purely based on that it'll do Gem some good to be forced into diapers by someone else for once.
Mebbe since there was a crinklesquiiiiish.
Okies;
Change her
She is going to probably get a rash if he doesn't. The dress needs cleaned but that won't be too expensive. However it doesn't look like there's any protection on the bed and she's just going to leak more, possibly heavier if she wets again this will ruin the matress which is EXPENSIVES.
Dont change her
Paul you have already established yourself as a real gentleman changing her is maybe a step waaaaaaaay to far.
It's an event the relationship may never recover from and it's only just starting out.
So...
It's not that I don't care, i'm very intrested in the story it's more I don't mind either way both have good story potential and will cause short and long term problems for them both.
Buuuuuuut i'm going to vote for change her, not based of any rational here but purely based on that it'll do Gem some good to be forced into diapers by someone else for once.
Hmmm, not sure.
I would think I'd rather go through the embarrassment of getting changed than risking the complete leaking drenching the mattress. Well considering he already know that she is wearing them. A note left on the bedside table just to be safe if she wakes up during. Maybe I am over thinking it though.
Although I would definitely be shocked if I woke up getting changed by someone I barely know.
Umm...
Final Answer from me:
Change Her
Would be fun so see the outcome either way.
I would think I'd rather go through the embarrassment of getting changed than risking the complete leaking drenching the mattress. Well considering he already know that she is wearing them. A note left on the bedside table just to be safe if she wakes up during. Maybe I am over thinking it though.
Although I would definitely be shocked if I woke up getting changed by someone I barely know.
Umm...
Final Answer from me:
Change Her
Would be fun so see the outcome either way.
"Was she padded all those times I've stared at her butt?"
I cracked up right there. Thank you xD
This is honestly a tough decision, but I say change her. Not changing her and not telling her would leave the story at more of a standstill, while changing her creates more drama and keeps the story moving at a good pace :3
Plus it'd be adorable until she finds out and calls him a pervert :P
I cracked up right there. Thank you xD
This is honestly a tough decision, but I say change her. Not changing her and not telling her would leave the story at more of a standstill, while changing her creates more drama and keeps the story moving at a good pace :3
Plus it'd be adorable until she finds out and calls him a pervert :P
well. most people would say "change her" because of reasons. but what they would fail to take into account would be gems personality.
as she is headstrong and stubborn she would be mortaly wounded if she got changed. he could try to wake her up, or even double diaper-her. but as those were not part of the choices...
i still would not change her unless she asked.
as she is headstrong and stubborn she would be mortaly wounded if she got changed. he could try to wake her up, or even double diaper-her. but as those were not part of the choices...
i still would not change her unless she asked.
Interesting moral delema. One cannot leave his girlfriend in this state... I know I couldn't. I'm on the fence about this one, but I'm leaning towards changing her because she needs it and never telling her. Or not changing her and not telling her at all what he discovered. But she could get rashy... or even sick.
Gah! I'm gunna go with change her tastefully.
Gah! I'm gunna go with change her tastefully.
On a note to those who are saying Gem would notice the change and be embarrassed--if she's this drunk, she may not remember wetting herself at all, and so would just think she kept it dry when she wakes up--and she probably won't wake up mid-change, hammered as she is. Even if so... she'll probably be grateful that he took good care of her when she was intoxicated.
I say don't change her, reason being, she is drunk, passed out, and she believes it is a secret nobody knows. nobody want's to wake up after getting completely smashed on a first date, and realize that without permission, they cleaned your privates and changed your diaper. it just breaks all kinds of boundaries people should have. if he knows of her wearing diaper, she doesn't know he knows, and personally i would never talk to someone if they changed me on a first date, unless they already knew about the diaper thing.
If I were Gem I would be screaming "DON'T CHANGE HER" because I'd be mortified
HOWEVER
I'm a gentlemen and Paul is a gentlemen and I think he'd be more responsible than to just leave her wet. If I were Paul I'd try to wake Gem and if that proves impossible I would change her. This may, however, just be the caretaker inside me talking. "Normal people" would not take too kindly to being invaded in such a way so I say ultimately that Paul shouldn't change her.
HOWEVER
I'm a gentlemen and Paul is a gentlemen and I think he'd be more responsible than to just leave her wet. If I were Paul I'd try to wake Gem and if that proves impossible I would change her. This may, however, just be the caretaker inside me talking. "Normal people" would not take too kindly to being invaded in such a way so I say ultimately that Paul shouldn't change her.
I'd say don't change her because seriously if he does change her think how would he explain her change in clothes/ underwear etc next day. I think it would be better for her dignity if he says he dropped her off at home and she just wondered off to bed and nothing happened. Just pretend that he never saw her diaper or got wet. I know this is lying to Gem but its to let her keep her dignity and further down the line if the truth comes out about it he didn't strip her while she was out of it, which i percieve as completly immoral and wrong if he did strip her to change her regardless if he looked away or not.
As modest as he is, I would say he would change her. After all, a rash can ocour through a full night in a wet diaper. It would be worse for the both of them if he didn't, her for rash, him for guilt of letting it happen. Of course he would do his best not to look at her... area... That's what I've come to understand of this character. And besides, he has the gentleman quality to know when not to take advantage, he would be concerned for her well being.
I'm going to have to go against the majority. I would not change her. Changing a diaper is an inherently intimate act that would involve seeing parts of her naked. I've known girls that wear for 'need' and doing something like that without their permission is a breach of trust and despite what the fandom thinks, not the gentlemanly thing to do.
I'd say treat this the same way you would if a girl got drunk and vommitd all over herself. DO NOT VIOLATE HER TRUST
Which if it was me, I'd say leave her as clean as yo ucan withotu removing cloths :( cause i'd honestly freak if a guy on a first date with me got me drunk and undressed me (that's how the waking world will perceive it) also soiled dress plus diaper evidence there's no clean way to cover this up.
Which if it was me, I'd say leave her as clean as yo ucan withotu removing cloths :( cause i'd honestly freak if a guy on a first date with me got me drunk and undressed me (that's how the waking world will perceive it) also soiled dress plus diaper evidence there's no clean way to cover this up.
*whistles* Lots of conversation goin' on here.
I'd say don't change her. As much as I'd love the change, I prefer that it not happen for personal boundary and character personality reasons. As much as I'd hate to leave a friend soaked like that all night... I know I'd be very apprehensive about changing them if I wasn't a babyfur... and I don't think that friend would be mad at me for choosing not to... This could easily go either way with whatever justification passes through a person's head at the time. *shrug*
But in the end, I know this really won't change much except for a page or two in the story~
Keep up the great work! :D
I'd say don't change her. As much as I'd love the change, I prefer that it not happen for personal boundary and character personality reasons. As much as I'd hate to leave a friend soaked like that all night... I know I'd be very apprehensive about changing them if I wasn't a babyfur... and I don't think that friend would be mad at me for choosing not to... This could easily go either way with whatever justification passes through a person's head at the time. *shrug*
But in the end, I know this really won't change much except for a page or two in the story~
Keep up the great work! :D
If I was in paul shoes. I wound out my shirt is wet & Gem is a wet diaper. I know she is is pass out & I can't wake her up. I know Gem don't want be in wet diaper all night.
Q: Does Gem want a diaper rash?
Q: Paul found out she wear a diaper, will he help her get into clean diaper?
Q: Does Gem want a diaper rash?
Q: Paul found out she wear a diaper, will he help her get into clean diaper?
Holy crap, don't change her. She is drunk and unconscious, in a relationship where she is just getting to know someone.
She can't consent.
She cannot consent. At all. Doing anything with someone when they are drunk enough to be near incapacitated and especially if they are unconscious is a clear violation of boundaries. Doing anything else sets off so many warning bells, that.. yikes.
She can't consent.
She cannot consent. At all. Doing anything with someone when they are drunk enough to be near incapacitated and especially if they are unconscious is a clear violation of boundaries. Doing anything else sets off so many warning bells, that.. yikes.
Ok i found my self in this at one time i found a girl friend one the floor and nothing on she had messed she was sick so i got wash cloths to clean her up and a clean nite dress but could not get up so claensd her up as best as i could called 911.you see its hard but i did not want any one to see her that way she was in hospital 9 days saved her life.she had e-coal-i it was bad then cleaned up her bed room poop all over.but I cared for her I would do it for any one.It,s kindness.were best friend till this day.
Listen, there is nothing wrong with presenting material that is titillating, emotionally difficult, fanservicey, author appealing, or even out and out sex. Genetalia, sex, etc. aren't inherently bad or wrong, neither is fetishy content or the the like. As many people has said elsewhere, whatever two consenting adults do on thier own time is fine as long as they aren't hurting anyone. Drawing scenes like that wouldn't be wrong either... but here is the key word... CONSENT.
These are two grown adults, on a first date. Gem is clearly incapacitated- drunk- and is now unconscious. Yes, in a strict fantasy context, it'd be pretty awesome if, say, I were in that role, and then changed. But these characters, as presented are not in that role. Violating her personal boundaries esp when it involves vulnerabilities, and consent, and being in possession of one's faculties to consent are super creepy. Even though we can see Paul's internal monologue, Gem can't. And even though there may be no intent behind something... intent doesn't mitigate impact.
I trust you as a storyteller, but seeing the can of worms open here makes me sad as a person, and sort of sick as a survivor of multiple instances where neither my boundaries nor my respect were honored. The number of people that are saying some variant of "go for it, she'll never know" or "she's too drunk to notice" or the like are, frankly, fucking chilling.
These are two grown adults, on a first date. Gem is clearly incapacitated- drunk- and is now unconscious. Yes, in a strict fantasy context, it'd be pretty awesome if, say, I were in that role, and then changed. But these characters, as presented are not in that role. Violating her personal boundaries esp when it involves vulnerabilities, and consent, and being in possession of one's faculties to consent are super creepy. Even though we can see Paul's internal monologue, Gem can't. And even though there may be no intent behind something... intent doesn't mitigate impact.
I trust you as a storyteller, but seeing the can of worms open here makes me sad as a person, and sort of sick as a survivor of multiple instances where neither my boundaries nor my respect were honored. The number of people that are saying some variant of "go for it, she'll never know" or "she's too drunk to notice" or the like are, frankly, fucking chilling.
I say don't change her hun. its a invasion of her privacy and I believe his character wouldn't do something that extreme, he already has issues comfronting her at work. He does love her but in his character's point of view he'd be too afraid to upset her. If anything I figure he would wrap her in a towel or something lay her down, and sleep on the couch to be there just in case of anything serious. I can see Him changing her later down the road easily as they got to know each other better and when they both knew they love each other and are open with each other about things like this. in my opinion though it is Your character. I believe he'd be there for her when she woke up telling her its okay, it doesn't bother me and leave a fresh pair of padding on the bed so she could change herself... everyone knows nobody can get diaper rash that quickly.
zephyrr agrees with me as well being right next to me of course XP

dont care, dont change
If paul likes her, he would respect her personal space, at least put another one over her soaked one so she doesnt leak...i love the idea that this is interactive with all of us readers, even if it is just one part :p either way, i loved this page, and have fun counting all the votes ^^
If paul likes her, he would respect her personal space, at least put another one over her soaked one so she doesnt leak...i love the idea that this is interactive with all of us readers, even if it is just one part :p either way, i loved this page, and have fun counting all the votes ^^
i personally think he should because despite that it is a major invasion of privacy.....it will show her just how caring he is and may help the relationship further in the long run they'll grow closer quicker! ^_^ (that is assuming that that's the actual plan for the comic i mean XD lol )
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Let this be a reminder. Internal monolog should be kept internal.
Let this be a reminder. Internal monolog should be kept internal.
"Was she padded all those times i was staring at her butt"
Man how on earth did I just gloss over this earlier.
I'm not sure if that was intentionally but "padded" is a very specific term!
We also know very little about Paul but by accident or design he's used an ab/dl term here.
Mundanes would say, "Has she been wearing a diaper (nappy maybe) all this time..." actually inclusion of the word padded suddenly made me realise there's much more at play here.
Paul is likely to be ab/dl aware.
Man how on earth did I just gloss over this earlier.
I'm not sure if that was intentionally but "padded" is a very specific term!
We also know very little about Paul but by accident or design he's used an ab/dl term here.
Mundanes would say, "Has she been wearing a diaper (nappy maybe) all this time..." actually inclusion of the word padded suddenly made me realise there's much more at play here.
Paul is likely to be ab/dl aware.
i think the phrase
"Gem i don't know if i've done the right thing, it means a lot to me that i don't want to breach your level of trust and privacy, i was stuck in a double edged sword like situation, what would you do if it were me or someone else? "
should come into play one way or the other.
even if you sit in a urine soaked diaper for up to 12 hours doesnt having your diaper PRE powdered circumvent the possibility of rash?
I'd say remove the soiled garment but look away and cover it up with a towel.
What if Paul were to wear a diaper as well and say to her "I'm doing this to soften the embarasment by putting myself in the same predicament and to try and be understanding of your embarrassing secret."
Surely if you have a reasonable amount of charisma you can get out of these situations unscathed regardless of the decision?
"Gem i don't know if i've done the right thing, it means a lot to me that i don't want to breach your level of trust and privacy, i was stuck in a double edged sword like situation, what would you do if it were me or someone else? "
should come into play one way or the other.
even if you sit in a urine soaked diaper for up to 12 hours doesnt having your diaper PRE powdered circumvent the possibility of rash?
I'd say remove the soiled garment but look away and cover it up with a towel.
What if Paul were to wear a diaper as well and say to her "I'm doing this to soften the embarasment by putting myself in the same predicament and to try and be understanding of your embarrassing secret."
Surely if you have a reasonable amount of charisma you can get out of these situations unscathed regardless of the decision?
hmmm...i have a very interesting thought on this!
My main answer is for him to not change her. He should not change her yet. Period.
but what I am wondering is if maybe what happens afterwards could be affected by my idea ;o if he doesn't change her, then he could either go the nice guy route and try to help her accept this by confronting her and caring for her regardless...
OR
he could make it look like he got drunk and passed out next to her, but woke up before her
My main answer is for him to not change her. He should not change her yet. Period.
but what I am wondering is if maybe what happens afterwards could be affected by my idea ;o if he doesn't change her, then he could either go the nice guy route and try to help her accept this by confronting her and caring for her regardless...
OR
he could make it look like he got drunk and passed out next to her, but woke up before her
I'd also vote to say don't change... but we'll have to see how things work out... I agree with Shar and Sila and many others who have stated that there is a big issue of trust... Obviously I'd be camping out side the room or even in a chair or something till she wakes up to make sue she's ok.
Hugs all!
Hugs all!
My god mentalgen!
The proper thing to do would be to change her into something dryer and more proper for bed! Q.O
Leave a note on her end table that reads.
"My dear Gemma,
When I carried you in you in your drunken stupor to your bed, I noticed that had soiled the back my good shirt.
No worries, the maid will clean it. However, I couldn't help but notice the state of your diaper.
My dear, I changed you into something dryer and more comfortable for bed, and I peaked not but once.
I hope you aren't offended.
-Paul"
The proper thing to do would be to change her into something dryer and more proper for bed! Q.O
Leave a note on her end table that reads.
"My dear Gemma,
When I carried you in you in your drunken stupor to your bed, I noticed that had soiled the back my good shirt.
No worries, the maid will clean it. However, I couldn't help but notice the state of your diaper.
My dear, I changed you into something dryer and more comfortable for bed, and I peaked not but once.
I hope you aren't offended.
-Paul"
its only taken him 173 pages. I laughed anyway down to sweet business
to change or not to change is the question where changing might buy Paul some points it might as label him as someone who peeked under a girls dress and therefor a perv but if he doesn't change Gem might get a rash and will have to clean up the bed... BUT she already does that a lot of the time anyway and paul will not be the enemy of the state to keep paul ina relationship I say
NO change! (sorry for the rash Gem!)
to change or not to change is the question where changing might buy Paul some points it might as label him as someone who peeked under a girls dress and therefor a perv but if he doesn't change Gem might get a rash and will have to clean up the bed... BUT she already does that a lot of the time anyway and paul will not be the enemy of the state to keep paul ina relationship I say
NO change! (sorry for the rash Gem!)
Also to the many of you debating boundaries, some lines need to be crossed or blurred, or completely ignored at certain times.
When you have someone who is clearly unable to care for themselves,
and you don't know if they have a medical condition or not, administration care in good faith is the right thing to do.
Bear in mind, men... and ladies... a rash for a female doesnt just mean a rash, it could become worse. A full blown, bad enough yeast infection (which is what diaper rash tends to be) could render her unable to have children, or feel anything 'down there'.
You most certainly want to spare a friend the shame of waking up in their own urine, especially one you are courting.
While many of you are thinking something sexually stimulating, from my point of view as someone who has been on both ends of this situation (medical standpoint), I would prefer my friend attend to my medical needs then letting me wake up, completely soaked, smelling foul, and possibly causing me an infection.
When you have someone who is clearly unable to care for themselves,
and you don't know if they have a medical condition or not, administration care in good faith is the right thing to do.
Bear in mind, men... and ladies... a rash for a female doesnt just mean a rash, it could become worse. A full blown, bad enough yeast infection (which is what diaper rash tends to be) could render her unable to have children, or feel anything 'down there'.
You most certainly want to spare a friend the shame of waking up in their own urine, especially one you are courting.
While many of you are thinking something sexually stimulating, from my point of view as someone who has been on both ends of this situation (medical standpoint), I would prefer my friend attend to my medical needs then letting me wake up, completely soaked, smelling foul, and possibly causing me an infection.
I know she's passed-out drunk, but a shot of water on the face might wake her up. That's what I'd do... try to bring her around and allow her to save some face.
I'm more disappointed at all the single-cell babyfurs that have come out of the woodwork. There's a reason why I can only take this community in small doses.
This sums up most of the comments here: "HERP DERP... HURRR> CHANGE HURR<< UUUHHH... WET DIAPERZ NED 2 BE CHAAANGED... HERRRRRRP."
Meanwhile, someone's getting the lotion ready.
And I'm getting a hatchet.
I'm more disappointed at all the single-cell babyfurs that have come out of the woodwork. There's a reason why I can only take this community in small doses.
This sums up most of the comments here: "HERP DERP... HURRR> CHANGE HURR<< UUUHHH... WET DIAPERZ NED 2 BE CHAAANGED... HERRRRRRP."
Meanwhile, someone's getting the lotion ready.
And I'm getting a hatchet.
It's a tough call, though if he does change her he'd need to clean her dress too since it's soaked through. Gem will be embarrassed about it no matter what, but probably more so if he does it. Perhaps he should place a towel under her and simply be on the couch when she wakes up, and let her decide what to do. Either way she'll have a killer headache and need to talk about getting drunk and all, but again, Paul's a great guy to let your shields down around.
Obviously I'm way too late to vote on this, but still, that's my thoughts.
Obviously I'm way too late to vote on this, but still, that's my thoughts.
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