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Ok, so I decided to start a graphic novel. Please feel free to give feedback on anything. This is largely going to be a research based project for myself, where I'm hoping to learn better anatomy, make better 2D poses and such. I've never tried this style before either, so... yeah. Go me.
Anyhoo, the font was taken from a user named d-ko on deviantart, you can get it here:
http://d-ko.deviantart.com/art/DC-C.....-Font-16587604
Hooray for people sharing stuff XD. It's a lot better than comic sans. Ugh, dirty.
Anyway, the story will largely reveal itself, so I won't pre-empt it too much. But I will say that it's set in a dystopian future, and there is foobaw on the next page. The future can't be TOO dystopian if they still play foobaw, right?
Ok, so I decided to start a graphic novel. Please feel free to give feedback on anything. This is largely going to be a research based project for myself, where I'm hoping to learn better anatomy, make better 2D poses and such. I've never tried this style before either, so... yeah. Go me.
Anyhoo, the font was taken from a user named d-ko on deviantart, you can get it here:
http://d-ko.deviantart.com/art/DC-C.....-Font-16587604
Hooray for people sharing stuff XD. It's a lot better than comic sans. Ugh, dirty.
Anyway, the story will largely reveal itself, so I won't pre-empt it too much. But I will say that it's set in a dystopian future, and there is foobaw on the next page. The future can't be TOO dystopian if they still play foobaw, right?
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I started my comic many years ago and I have very little to show for it. I can relate to this very well. I confess at first my comic was meant to be serious too, but later... I really did drop the ball on the serious tone and... downright traded the ball in for a clown nose....
I just read your comic then man. I like your sense of humour, FWIW :)
The first page had someone get kicked in the nuts with magic grass though... I can't help but wonder, how were you ever intending it to be serious? It works as it is though XD. And you have a lot to show for it, you've accumulated quite a few pages over the years.
I can see that your skills developed over the years with it as well. I hope that I can look back on this in a similar manner.
The first page had someone get kicked in the nuts with magic grass though... I can't help but wonder, how were you ever intending it to be serious? It works as it is though XD. And you have a lot to show for it, you've accumulated quite a few pages over the years.
I can see that your skills developed over the years with it as well. I hope that I can look back on this in a similar manner.
Why thank you.
1) This was a bit of a reboot, let me link you to an even older version
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Jo.....1-by-date.html
And I think there might have been an even different one that doesn't seem online anymore.... weird, maybe I threw it away because of how bad it was.
2) It's a lot of pages, but the ammount feels pathetic in comparison to what I aim for and what I could have done. In the time given....
3) Are you sure my skills developed? A lot of people rant that it went downhill with the comic. I had to take a lot of liberties to release pages quicker which a lot of people don't like at all
1) This was a bit of a reboot, let me link you to an even older version
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Jo.....1-by-date.html
And I think there might have been an even different one that doesn't seem online anymore.... weird, maybe I threw it away because of how bad it was.
2) It's a lot of pages, but the ammount feels pathetic in comparison to what I aim for and what I could have done. In the time given....
3) Are you sure my skills developed? A lot of people rant that it went downhill with the comic. I had to take a lot of liberties to release pages quicker which a lot of people don't like at all
Mmm, now that you've claled me out on it, and I've gone back, to be honest there is a bit less development than I initially thought. I admit that some of my initial comment was based on some works in your gallery that I now notice were done by others. There is still some progression, though. Not just with the lines, but also with some of your poses/angles... something like this:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7188977
shows some definite improvements from this:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1368843
Perhaps your development has been a bit volatile (as in, the graph hasn't necessarily had a steady trend upwards), and maybe considering the time difference it isn't overly tremendous, but I would have thought it was there to see.
Out of interest, are you actively trying to improve your skills? Or is it just something you hope improves as time goes on?
And fair enough on being disappointed on the volume considering you're the time/goals. I obviously have no insight into that, so I can't comment. But at the very least, there is a lot to be said about the longevity of your work... I mean, it's been going on for about 4 years now, right? And you have a lot of pages drawn over that time. That shows a lot of commitment in any event.
Sorry about the time it took to reply, I have been otherwise distracted.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7188977
shows some definite improvements from this:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1368843
Perhaps your development has been a bit volatile (as in, the graph hasn't necessarily had a steady trend upwards), and maybe considering the time difference it isn't overly tremendous, but I would have thought it was there to see.
Out of interest, are you actively trying to improve your skills? Or is it just something you hope improves as time goes on?
And fair enough on being disappointed on the volume considering you're the time/goals. I obviously have no insight into that, so I can't comment. But at the very least, there is a lot to be said about the longevity of your work... I mean, it's been going on for about 4 years now, right? And you have a lot of pages drawn over that time. That shows a lot of commitment in any event.
Sorry about the time it took to reply, I have been otherwise distracted.
I had to change it up, because.... ya know, I'd want this comic to be finished before I die and I plan to make 26 chapters before I quit. So far it looks like I might not finish this before I grow 50 years old, and I don't want that, so I choose pencil lines and one day I might even hire someone to draw stuff for me because this is too much work as it is. But the fans (who often refuse to make their presence noticeable) are upset at that, which pisses me off! It's hard enough as it is and they want it to be even harder for me and hence to get even less updates! ARGH!!!
As for my skills... now I'm in college and I'll say it openly: It's trying to kill me. REALLY! I can't keep up with any of my hobbies, so for now I just screw progress and improvement and settle on drawing ANYTHING. Normally I want to improve with normal art and only rush the comic for reasons mentioned above. And yes I tend to color/remake pictures of others to feel better about myself, cause lord knows anything done 100% by my hand will look butt ugly by comparison. I try to keep at it... some of my art is already at a level where I can call it "good" or "acceptable". I hope to continue my comic and that one day I'll reach that one special chapter that I plan to do with all my effort because of how much it means to me on an emotional level. Currently I work on Chapter 3 and I admit, I have like 10 pages of it done, but I decided to wait until the whole chapter is finished and then upload things on a weekly basis, cause people apparently like that.
And I don't mind the late comment. Trust me, it means a lot to me to talk with another creator, a much greater one at that, so I don't care if I have to wait. I'm very grateful for it!
As for my skills... now I'm in college and I'll say it openly: It's trying to kill me. REALLY! I can't keep up with any of my hobbies, so for now I just screw progress and improvement and settle on drawing ANYTHING. Normally I want to improve with normal art and only rush the comic for reasons mentioned above. And yes I tend to color/remake pictures of others to feel better about myself, cause lord knows anything done 100% by my hand will look butt ugly by comparison. I try to keep at it... some of my art is already at a level where I can call it "good" or "acceptable". I hope to continue my comic and that one day I'll reach that one special chapter that I plan to do with all my effort because of how much it means to me on an emotional level. Currently I work on Chapter 3 and I admit, I have like 10 pages of it done, but I decided to wait until the whole chapter is finished and then upload things on a weekly basis, cause people apparently like that.
And I don't mind the late comment. Trust me, it means a lot to me to talk with another creator, a much greater one at that, so I don't care if I have to wait. I'm very grateful for it!
Yeah, I know how not having much time is like. I went form uni to full time work, and it's usually a fairly demanding job where I need to do some research and skills development in my spare time, so all I really have is a few ours every other day to do what I want for personal development. Make 3d, draw, read up on my other interests etc.
FWIW, I try and work in some skills development where I can while I draw, so it's not necessarily a case of one thing or another. For instance, as a hobby I work out, so that's a good opportunity to try and develop anatomy. You can see what muscles go where and do what in given poses. Of course, it's not the same thing as actually drawing them, but I figure you need to understand what is happening before you can learn to draw it. I also tend to try and make some references in the actual work I am doing - sometimes I do an image search on the net, sometimes I try and strike a pose in a mirror and use that as reference (especially good for learning about cloth deformations), and other times I construct a more complex/dynamic pose in 3D and use that as a reference. References are gold, so long as you take the time to study what is happening, rather than simply copying what you see. I also always have my anatomy books open on my desk :p.
Of course, none of that may be possible or applicable to you, but I guess I'm just saying that it's possible to work on skills at the same time as you are drawing productively, or to learn while you are doing something completely unrelated, if that makes sense. You just gotta find something that works for you.
I'm a year or two older than you, and I've only really started to look at 2D with any real commitment over the last couple of months, so you aren't alone in not being able to develop what you want as quickly or as smoothly as you would like. But in a way that's a good thing - being busy shows that you are progressing in life. I know if I had enough free time to do everything I wanted, I would be complaining that I'm not getting anywhere in life :p.
I also sense from a number of your posts that your college degree is causing you some angst - may I ask what you are studying?
FWIW, I try and work in some skills development where I can while I draw, so it's not necessarily a case of one thing or another. For instance, as a hobby I work out, so that's a good opportunity to try and develop anatomy. You can see what muscles go where and do what in given poses. Of course, it's not the same thing as actually drawing them, but I figure you need to understand what is happening before you can learn to draw it. I also tend to try and make some references in the actual work I am doing - sometimes I do an image search on the net, sometimes I try and strike a pose in a mirror and use that as reference (especially good for learning about cloth deformations), and other times I construct a more complex/dynamic pose in 3D and use that as a reference. References are gold, so long as you take the time to study what is happening, rather than simply copying what you see. I also always have my anatomy books open on my desk :p.
Of course, none of that may be possible or applicable to you, but I guess I'm just saying that it's possible to work on skills at the same time as you are drawing productively, or to learn while you are doing something completely unrelated, if that makes sense. You just gotta find something that works for you.
I'm a year or two older than you, and I've only really started to look at 2D with any real commitment over the last couple of months, so you aren't alone in not being able to develop what you want as quickly or as smoothly as you would like. But in a way that's a good thing - being busy shows that you are progressing in life. I know if I had enough free time to do everything I wanted, I would be complaining that I'm not getting anywhere in life :p.
I also sense from a number of your posts that your college degree is causing you some angst - may I ask what you are studying?
I have this wishful thinking that having a job will give me more free time, as now in this semester, even if I have classes only for 3 days a week, I still spend at least 80% of my free time on learning and homework and even that feels insufficient to get proper scores in class.
I admit, I draw because it helps my comic improve in someway. These graphic skills can help me out with my video making skills where I sometimes review things like video games which are also a pass time for me and sometimes I see characters in them that inspire me to draw more... blah blah blah, nevermind, sorry! Its much less inspiring to hear than your work-out thing. I live on the borders of the city, and even if I was in a big center of a city, I wouldn't have the time to work out. I keep telling myself that once I move, I could go swimming or something to get in shape, but for now I'm just skin and bones.
I'm currently studying Computer Science. Several programming languages get rammed into my head and all of that just to finally get Computer Graphics next semester, which as I fear won't be as fun as I'd hope it to be. Ah well, at least some first 3D classes, but I still find it regrettable that even after almost 10 years of trying, even college won't teach me any flash animation.
I admit, I draw because it helps my comic improve in someway. These graphic skills can help me out with my video making skills where I sometimes review things like video games which are also a pass time for me and sometimes I see characters in them that inspire me to draw more... blah blah blah, nevermind, sorry! Its much less inspiring to hear than your work-out thing. I live on the borders of the city, and even if I was in a big center of a city, I wouldn't have the time to work out. I keep telling myself that once I move, I could go swimming or something to get in shape, but for now I'm just skin and bones.
I'm currently studying Computer Science. Several programming languages get rammed into my head and all of that just to finally get Computer Graphics next semester, which as I fear won't be as fun as I'd hope it to be. Ah well, at least some first 3D classes, but I still find it regrettable that even after almost 10 years of trying, even college won't teach me any flash animation.
Haha, I won't be too big a downer, but full time work doesn't exactly leave you with all the time in the world either, particularly when you factor the rest of life into the equation. Though if college is as demanding as you suggest, then maybe your experience may differ :p
And taking in inspiration from what you see around you is an excellent way to build on your knowledge base. If you see a design that you like, and critically look at it to determine WHY you like it, what works about it etc, rather than just say "wow that's awesome", then you are going to build some theory for you to put into practice. As I said earlier. I reckon it all starts with the theory. If you don't know what something is supposed to look like, or what it takes to get something to look good, then your only successes will just be flukes.
Computer science... bleh. Well done man, I couldn't handle that :p. I do some scripting for work, but full on code would melt my brain pretty quickly. And I will just say these two things with regard to your last paragraph:
1. of course it will be fun. It's 3d. :p
2. Unless your tutors/lecturers actually work for companies like Pixar or EA, I wouldn't worry too much on 'missing out' on what they have to teach. My uni course was useless for that stuff. Three years and just three classes of actual 3d. Yuck. And in those classes, we just got a various breakdown on how to use software, and some readily available bullet points on what looks good. Colleges and Universities are largely based on academia. Stuff like flash and 3D are not academic based units. From my experience, you can only learn how to do these things yourself. And by communicating with like-minded peers. I can only speak for my own experience here, your college might be good. But the only values these units had was as broad introduction to the topic. The Internet is seriously magical for stuff like this. You just have to find some awesome tutorials and forums on the subjects, and they will provide a much better education.
And taking in inspiration from what you see around you is an excellent way to build on your knowledge base. If you see a design that you like, and critically look at it to determine WHY you like it, what works about it etc, rather than just say "wow that's awesome", then you are going to build some theory for you to put into practice. As I said earlier. I reckon it all starts with the theory. If you don't know what something is supposed to look like, or what it takes to get something to look good, then your only successes will just be flukes.
Computer science... bleh. Well done man, I couldn't handle that :p. I do some scripting for work, but full on code would melt my brain pretty quickly. And I will just say these two things with regard to your last paragraph:
1. of course it will be fun. It's 3d. :p
2. Unless your tutors/lecturers actually work for companies like Pixar or EA, I wouldn't worry too much on 'missing out' on what they have to teach. My uni course was useless for that stuff. Three years and just three classes of actual 3d. Yuck. And in those classes, we just got a various breakdown on how to use software, and some readily available bullet points on what looks good. Colleges and Universities are largely based on academia. Stuff like flash and 3D are not academic based units. From my experience, you can only learn how to do these things yourself. And by communicating with like-minded peers. I can only speak for my own experience here, your college might be good. But the only values these units had was as broad introduction to the topic. The Internet is seriously magical for stuff like this. You just have to find some awesome tutorials and forums on the subjects, and they will provide a much better education.
It is demanding, trust me. Besides, I know some big name folks off the internet who did say that they did get a lot more free time AFTER leaving college. Living alone could also help me. I could save a lot of time by not having to clean up, maw the lawn or do other stuff around the place.
I guess Observation is Inspiration, whenever it's a beautiful muse or a 10 feet tall anthro jackal with overly huge feet .......... (nervously bites his teeth together)
My private college is pretty big name in my country. It's the ONLY college in this part of my country that teaches Computer Graphics at all! I did hear that I shall definitely learn 3D in some way or another, it's just Flash that I'm concerned about, but by now I did so much things "on my own hand" that I guess I can learn it myself should it not be here.
I guess Observation is Inspiration, whenever it's a beautiful muse or a 10 feet tall anthro jackal with overly huge feet .......... (nervously bites his teeth together)
My private college is pretty big name in my country. It's the ONLY college in this part of my country that teaches Computer Graphics at all! I did hear that I shall definitely learn 3D in some way or another, it's just Flash that I'm concerned about, but by now I did so much things "on my own hand" that I guess I can learn it myself should it not be here.
Heh, I can trust you. If programming was easy then programmers wouldn't be pulling in the big dollars.
I won't pretend I know anything about the Polish private tertiary educational system (I'm not even sure what a 'college' is - I'm assuming its another name for University?), so you might get some real insight into it all, and get an excellent education. I... didn't :p.
Do you hope to eventually wind up doing something that uses both programming and 3D/flash art stuffs?
I won't pretend I know anything about the Polish private tertiary educational system (I'm not even sure what a 'college' is - I'm assuming its another name for University?), so you might get some real insight into it all, and get an excellent education. I... didn't :p.
Do you hope to eventually wind up doing something that uses both programming and 3D/flash art stuffs?
Honestly, the more graphical stuff and less programming the better. I picked this course because this was the only way to get a college level education in computer graphics. Only place in this part of the country. I would so love to do comics, video games or other stuff for money... or i guess an advertisement or newspaper related deal could be good too
haha, nice man. Sounds like you could be ending up in a similar field to myself.
Is there much of a games industry in Poland? I suppose it doesn't matter, as you'd have an EU passport, wouldn't you? That would allow you to work aanywhere?
Ahh.... so much freedom i can only imagine :(.
Also, this new era is an exciting one... so much opportunities for self published indie games and comics if you ended up going down that path... particularly if you know how to code as well. Good luck with it all man XD
Is there much of a games industry in Poland? I suppose it doesn't matter, as you'd have an EU passport, wouldn't you? That would allow you to work aanywhere?
Ahh.... so much freedom i can only imagine :(.
Also, this new era is an exciting one... so much opportunities for self published indie games and comics if you ended up going down that path... particularly if you know how to code as well. Good luck with it all man XD
Nope, Australia. And the industry here is very small (and getting smaller )
My citizenship allows me to work in New Zealand, but that's about it. And considering the industry in NZ is smaller still... it's not a lot of use to me :s.
Heh, the desire to start a new life in a new country is one I can relate to, FWIW.
My citizenship allows me to work in New Zealand, but that's about it. And considering the industry in NZ is smaller still... it's not a lot of use to me :s.
Heh, the desire to start a new life in a new country is one I can relate to, FWIW.
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