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I still hate "Nice Guys" jsyk.
Life isn't a movie or book. Women are not villains for not wanting you as their boyfriend.
Life isn't a movie or book. Women are not villains for not wanting you as their boyfriend.
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in my view both genders are equally important XD
just remember.. Men are more disposable. people find it funny when men get hurt.
Especially when its in the nuts. Men are commonly depicted as dumber then
women on tv. (see nearly every sitcom ever) People give millions to breast
cancer but little to prostate cancer.. even though theres no cure for prostate
cancer and breast cancer is survivable. While male's issues arent as pronounced
we do have plenty of them as well. After all. Girls can express their feelings...
and boys are raised to " tough it out" leading to lots of emotional issues in the form
of exploding violently. and as for the 2nd class citizen.. anyone but the 1% and their crones..
are ALL 2nd class citizens.
just remember.. Men are more disposable. people find it funny when men get hurt.
Especially when its in the nuts. Men are commonly depicted as dumber then
women on tv. (see nearly every sitcom ever) People give millions to breast
cancer but little to prostate cancer.. even though theres no cure for prostate
cancer and breast cancer is survivable. While male's issues arent as pronounced
we do have plenty of them as well. After all. Girls can express their feelings...
and boys are raised to " tough it out" leading to lots of emotional issues in the form
of exploding violently. and as for the 2nd class citizen.. anyone but the 1% and their crones..
are ALL 2nd class citizens.
also lets add that if a guy is raped by a woman, people treat them like a joke.
and that there are MANY men who get called at for rape by angry women.
True or not. Its life ruining. And also lets look at prisons.. tons of men being
raped.. and no one gives a fuck. Rape is serious, no matter who is raping who.
and that there are MANY men who get called at for rape by angry women.
True or not. Its life ruining. And also lets look at prisons.. tons of men being
raped.. and no one gives a fuck. Rape is serious, no matter who is raping who.
*waits for an image link that never comes because we never ever talk any more :C*
Now to wait for all the people to point fingers and recriminate me for thinking I'm entitled to talk to you or something :V
Hope you're doin alright though, I never get to talk to anyone from all those millions of years ago because I'm the only one that's NOT constantly busy.
Now to wait for all the people to point fingers and recriminate me for thinking I'm entitled to talk to you or something :V
Hope you're doin alright though, I never get to talk to anyone from all those millions of years ago because I'm the only one that's NOT constantly busy.
I don't think a guy's very "Nice" if he think's he's entitled to a woman simply because he's nice to them.
Now, if you're going for like, layers of clever here and differentiating between actually nice guys nd "Nice Guys", then I think you might be on to something. That sort of grouping makes sense.
Now, if you're going for like, layers of clever here and differentiating between actually nice guys nd "Nice Guys", then I think you might be on to something. That sort of grouping makes sense.
I don't think a guy's very "Nice" if he think's he's entitled to a woman simply because he's nice to them.
Congratulations, you figured out the entire point of mocking the people who label themselves "Nice Guys" then exhibit that behavior.
Were you under the impression I myself named the subculture? I didn't. They named themselves.
Congratulations, you figured out the entire point of mocking the people who label themselves "Nice Guys" then exhibit that behavior.
Were you under the impression I myself named the subculture? I didn't. They named themselves.
Someday, man; someday. Someday some nice woman'll come walking in through your front door, having mistaken it for her own house and you'll be like "Yeah... this one's the one." And then you two will get into a really awkward relationship because it turns out she's got some weird form of early onset alzhiemer's and you'll have to keep on explaining who you are and why her butt hurts and stuff while she beats you savagely with the rifle you keep in the closet (that she remembered about). You'll stay together for a couple of years, have a kid (which she'll remember, while constantly forgetting about/attacking you), and you'll eventually divorce, finally being fed up with women for life... or well, for a couple of years, anyway. Then you're right back to "man, I wish I could get a date".
Life's cruel, man. Life's cruel as shit.
Life's cruel, man. Life's cruel as shit.
This is so true. My liver went on strike once because I took it for granted and left me to process the alcohol myself. I had to take him out on like.. twenty dates before we got back together. I treat him right now, don't I boo?
Sorry I saw what you said and immediately started being difficult, like "What about gravity? Am I entitled to gravity? How does one EARN gravity? And air! How about a circulatory system?" IT IS TOO EARLY IN THE MORNING.
Sorry I saw what you said and immediately started being difficult, like "What about gravity? Am I entitled to gravity? How does one EARN gravity? And air! How about a circulatory system?" IT IS TOO EARLY IN THE MORNING.
Right on. The worst part about those people who call themselves "Nice Guys" is that they're just being nice because they think it'll get them sex.
I try to be nice for the sake of being nice, because I just like making people happy! If I can put a smile on someone's face at the end of the day, I've done my job.
I try to be nice for the sake of being nice, because I just like making people happy! If I can put a smile on someone's face at the end of the day, I've done my job.
I think he means he's "not nice" because not being nice to women tends to get him sex. ;P
Interesting annecdote a friend of mine told me once: He had met a woman whom he had absolutely no interest in, and so he would backhandedly insult her any time she came on to him. Instead of backing off, she seemed to take this as some kind of challenge and kept going after him even though he most obviously wasn't interested.
Some people are just weird like that, I guess.
Interesting annecdote a friend of mine told me once: He had met a woman whom he had absolutely no interest in, and so he would backhandedly insult her any time she came on to him. Instead of backing off, she seemed to take this as some kind of challenge and kept going after him even though he most obviously wasn't interested.
Some people are just weird like that, I guess.
Nothing is ever "all people". The problem is people tend to only see the loudest people in a group, and the loudest people have a trend of being the dumbest. As such, theey tend to create an image of the group based on said loud ones and hate thee group because of it.
Not to say that there aren't some groups that simply ARE loud and stupid. That can happen, too. It's a lot less likely the more people there are in a group, but it can certainly happen.
Not to say that there aren't some groups that simply ARE loud and stupid. That can happen, too. It's a lot less likely the more people there are in a group, but it can certainly happen.
Accurate. Can't tell you how many times an "I'm not interested" or, "No, thank you." or the eventual, "Dude. I said no, go AWAY!" turns into a series of demeaning cursewords from the rejected male. Entitlement is rampant, and "Nice Guys" are the worst. Any time some guy goes off about how "nice" he is, and how all girls go for douchebag guys, I automatically bristle.
After all, many purported Nice Guys tend to express that women as a whole are shallow, skanky, demanding beasts (to the point that I wonder why they'd want one at all). And not just any woman will do! She's got to be hot on top of it. I rarely see Nice Guys go for women who aren't conventionally attractive.
Nice has become a word that stands in for bland, boring, or undesirable. If a guy is described as, "Well... he's... nice, I guess?" That tends to mean that he's not anything else worth talking about. People with desirable adjectives attached to them have a higher chance of attracting others. Funny, smart, sweet, adventurous, confident, bold, charismatic, clean, kind, and direct are all words that will ALWAYS trump Nice.
After all, many purported Nice Guys tend to express that women as a whole are shallow, skanky, demanding beasts (to the point that I wonder why they'd want one at all). And not just any woman will do! She's got to be hot on top of it. I rarely see Nice Guys go for women who aren't conventionally attractive.
Nice has become a word that stands in for bland, boring, or undesirable. If a guy is described as, "Well... he's... nice, I guess?" That tends to mean that he's not anything else worth talking about. People with desirable adjectives attached to them have a higher chance of attracting others. Funny, smart, sweet, adventurous, confident, bold, charismatic, clean, kind, and direct are all words that will ALWAYS trump Nice.
And not just any woman will do! She's got to be hot on top of it. I rarely see Nice Guys go for women who aren't conventionally attractive.
Haha that is funny how that works.
I always kind of balk at fat dudes who make fun of fat chicks for being fat. It's like "Dude... seriously?"
Haha that is funny how that works.
I always kind of balk at fat dudes who make fun of fat chicks for being fat. It's like "Dude... seriously?"
There do seem to be a number of really skeezy neckbearded chubby-to-obese guys out there who demand all women worthy of their time be magazine-cover-hot. This has always confused me. Why would a girl who looks like that want a guy who doesn't take care of himself? It's not like being athletic/thin and perpetually gorgeous is something that just *happens*.
There are small glimmers of truth scattered within stuff like that, If I may play Devil's advocate for a moment.
For example, both women and men will remember an interaction more clearly if they make physical contact with the person they're interacting with.
Yeah, it may not make a guy/girl immediately jump into your arms, but it does help.
For example, both women and men will remember an interaction more clearly if they make physical contact with the person they're interacting with.
Yeah, it may not make a guy/girl immediately jump into your arms, but it does help.
"I am going on a blind date with some girl and I am very nervous about it. Is there any tips you can give me so I don't look like an idiot. I don't really know how to dress to impress or act the right way" (Act as AFC as you can to disarm the bitch shield) "
The 'bitch shield'. Nice. Real nice.
The 'bitch shield'. Nice. Real nice.
Follow this twitter account for a good time: https://twitter.com/PUA_txt
Reminds me of the song 'Ladykillers' by Lush. Specifically this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur.....YHzACvMI#t=45s
One of the comments up there reminds me of the "counter argument" a lot of men will bring up when the whole "nice guys" aren't really "nice" thing gets brought up.
"Oh yeah? Well, FINE. Don't expect us to open doors for you, or carry your stuff, or buy you things, then!!!"
Uh? GOOD. I never said I wanted that anyway! JEEEESUS.
"Oh yeah? Well, FINE. Don't expect us to open doors for you, or carry your stuff, or buy you things, then!!!"
Uh? GOOD. I never said I wanted that anyway! JEEEESUS.
I remember once there was some idiot who was all I GET INSULTED ALL THE TIME BY WOMEN FOR HOLDING DOORS OPEN FOR THEM! THE INGRATES! THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT IS EVIL!
Yes. I am so sure people insult you all the time for holding a door open. If they do, it's probably because you're somehow being creepy about it.
Yes. I am so sure people insult you all the time for holding a door open. If they do, it's probably because you're somehow being creepy about it.
Took me a moment to notice the quotes - all my brothers are 'nice guys', the real ones, not the narcissistic ones-- we were all raised to be polite with good manners, gentlemen an ladies [but without the hoity-toityness! :) ]
Even I was taught to open doors for people, boy or girls it's polite -- especially if their hands are full. I look around now, *especially* at, ssay, the teenagers I saw in the Driver's Ed class I helped out with a while back.... and it's just plain appaling. :( :(
Profanity every third word, bragging about getting drunk, no manners, no ethics-- the classs seemed more like a preschool full of 2yr olds than a class of 15+yr old teenagers that *should* be responsible enough TO drive by that point. And yet one was bragging about how he'd get a ticket the first week he got his license... and was very clearly proud of the fact. :(
I don't get it-- I know every generation's said it, but it sure as hell feels like the ethics, manners, language, and flat out intelligence of people drops with every generation......
And no, people aren't 'entitled' to a mate, but if they had more integrity and manners, they'd (at least in my opinion) be a lot more likely to find one. :/
Even I was taught to open doors for people, boy or girls it's polite -- especially if their hands are full. I look around now, *especially* at, ssay, the teenagers I saw in the Driver's Ed class I helped out with a while back.... and it's just plain appaling. :( :(
Profanity every third word, bragging about getting drunk, no manners, no ethics-- the classs seemed more like a preschool full of 2yr olds than a class of 15+yr old teenagers that *should* be responsible enough TO drive by that point. And yet one was bragging about how he'd get a ticket the first week he got his license... and was very clearly proud of the fact. :(
I don't get it-- I know every generation's said it, but it sure as hell feels like the ethics, manners, language, and flat out intelligence of people drops with every generation......
And no, people aren't 'entitled' to a mate, but if they had more integrity and manners, they'd (at least in my opinion) be a lot more likely to find one. :/
This also gave me a deep thought, I'm one of the few guys that understand the word no. I ask for a date I get a no and I move on...sadly some women I asked only once that work where I shop for dinner stuff even though I gave them the obvious hint I know they said no and I accept it and I simply wish to conduct business and go home as they work at grocery stores, banks and such,
sadly they feel they are entitled to treat me like crap and talk down to me in a how dare he even talk to me manner...I even told the one young woman look ma'am I'm just here for business I need to go home and cook dinner. yet she had this arrogant delusion like I was following or begging or showing desperation when in reality she was the only one available working at a checkout line in addiction she works at the only closest place I get my food stuff. she also wasting my time making rude snarky remarks when I simply needed to go and make dinner for my roommates.
women are not bad guys for telling me no...but some seriously need to grow up they're not in middle school anymore.
sadly they feel they are entitled to treat me like crap and talk down to me in a how dare he even talk to me manner...I even told the one young woman look ma'am I'm just here for business I need to go home and cook dinner. yet she had this arrogant delusion like I was following or begging or showing desperation when in reality she was the only one available working at a checkout line in addiction she works at the only closest place I get my food stuff. she also wasting my time making rude snarky remarks when I simply needed to go and make dinner for my roommates.
women are not bad guys for telling me no...but some seriously need to grow up they're not in middle school anymore.
my first reply was really knee jerk and not that productive. sorry if you saw it.
now that i'm more calm, uh, this is a little more productive way to say what I was getting at
that's really inappropriate to do to someone at work. At my old job I got hit on/asked out by customers a lot and it made me really uncomfortable because I'm put in a position where I can't say "no", because the customer could complain and get bitchy: and I could get fired for not being "friendly enough".. or even possibly losing a sale... but they can keep going as long as they want.
Plus, since I work there, that person knows where I am and can find me for so many hours of the day, and potentially follow me to my car when I had to close at night. It's really really scary, especially for people who have experienced assault at some point in their lives. It's not delusional to think that a stranger would do these things or "uppity" and "arrogant"- a show of "hey, I'm not going to take this shit, if you bother me again I will not go along with it" is called setting boundaries- think of it as a good thing that people are being honest with you that they aren't interested and feel threatened- otherwise it would pop up later with you decrying "well I didn't know I made you so uncomfortable/ you didn't REALLY like me!" Often just saying "no" is read by hetero guys as "coax me so I don't look like a slut"... so we have to say more than just a simple "no" to be sure the point gets through.
I'm sure you didn't think about any of that, but most women (and trans guys who don't pass as men) have to analyze and manage the risk of sexual assault as a very realistic possibility all the time.
now that i'm more calm, uh, this is a little more productive way to say what I was getting at
that's really inappropriate to do to someone at work. At my old job I got hit on/asked out by customers a lot and it made me really uncomfortable because I'm put in a position where I can't say "no", because the customer could complain and get bitchy: and I could get fired for not being "friendly enough".. or even possibly losing a sale... but they can keep going as long as they want.
Plus, since I work there, that person knows where I am and can find me for so many hours of the day, and potentially follow me to my car when I had to close at night. It's really really scary, especially for people who have experienced assault at some point in their lives. It's not delusional to think that a stranger would do these things or "uppity" and "arrogant"- a show of "hey, I'm not going to take this shit, if you bother me again I will not go along with it" is called setting boundaries- think of it as a good thing that people are being honest with you that they aren't interested and feel threatened- otherwise it would pop up later with you decrying "well I didn't know I made you so uncomfortable/ you didn't REALLY like me!" Often just saying "no" is read by hetero guys as "coax me so I don't look like a slut"... so we have to say more than just a simple "no" to be sure the point gets through.
I'm sure you didn't think about any of that, but most women (and trans guys who don't pass as men) have to analyze and manage the risk of sexual assault as a very realistic possibility all the time.
1..do not group me to manipulative creeps like that. 2. they said no and that is fine...but being rude after and being snarky and adding extra charges groceries on purpose day after day which can get themselves in very deep trouble is not acceptable...they have there work and I respect it so I conduct business and move on. I even use other check outs if available. so no sense of pressure or hostility is applied. 3. as I agree there guys that do those scary horrible stalking things sadly I am not the type to follow anyone.
you never met me yet you associate me with scum like that. I do not believe in the hard to get game nonesense I do not push or coax. I accept answer of yes or no and be done with it.
I look forward and not back.
you never met me yet you associate me with scum like that. I do not believe in the hard to get game nonesense I do not push or coax. I accept answer of yes or no and be done with it.
I look forward and not back.
The problem is, these women don't know you. They don't know if you're not a scumbag. Please don't ask people out at their workplace, even though you mean well and will take no for an answer. They don't have any way of knowing that, and I'm sure they just want to feel safe at the place they have to spend the majority of their time in.
and since you didnt get it
the point I'm making is that there's no way for her to know whether or not you're going to follow up like that. I'm illustrating that these are things that we have to think about when we interact with men who show interest like that. It doesn't mean you are, it means that we have to worry about whether or not you COULD be.
you're actually "scum" if you know women have to worry about sexual assault, but don't care if you come off that way because you're "not like that"
(not) sorry if I come off in a way you don't like, but not everyone has to be nice to you when you don't consider how YOUR words and actions affect them.
the point I'm making is that there's no way for her to know whether or not you're going to follow up like that. I'm illustrating that these are things that we have to think about when we interact with men who show interest like that. It doesn't mean you are, it means that we have to worry about whether or not you COULD be.
you're actually "scum" if you know women have to worry about sexual assault, but don't care if you come off that way because you're "not like that"
(not) sorry if I come off in a way you don't like, but not everyone has to be nice to you when you don't consider how YOUR words and actions affect them.
Holy fuck look at the social justice here..
You're pathetic, you're scalding someone for making a choice based on their own actions by forcing your beliefs onto them?
Compos mentis you are not! So you're saying every woman is the same, ironically making the picture here ironic; not everyone alive has been raped / fear of rape etc.
Grow the fuck up, I'd be surprised if you could actually get a meaningful relationship / laid with your pathetic lack of social skills and startlingly apparent autism.
You're pathetic, you're scalding someone for making a choice based on their own actions by forcing your beliefs onto them?
Compos mentis you are not! So you're saying every woman is the same, ironically making the picture here ironic; not everyone alive has been raped / fear of rape etc.
Grow the fuck up, I'd be surprised if you could actually get a meaningful relationship / laid with your pathetic lack of social skills and startlingly apparent autism.
That argument always bugs me just because I'm a guy and I do still worry about being victimized when I'm trying to hook up with people. Like, every time. Nothing's ever actually happened yet, but, I mean, I'm still designating the close friends who don't mind the TMI and sending them the "hey I'm about to go hook up with the person mentioned in the forwarded attached e-mails below, if I don't come back then this is probably the person who did it" letters and such, just in case.
meaning socially akward, ugly fat woman who's unable to build meaningful or affectionate relationships so becomes one of these faux new age femnazis claiming men are the cause of your problems.
"I treat people like shit and blame them for all my problems, that means they are to blame and all men are scum!"
Jesus i'd be surprised if you've passed highschool let alone finished a book.
"I treat people like shit and blame them for all my problems, that means they are to blame and all men are scum!"
Jesus i'd be surprised if you've passed highschool let alone finished a book.
It's possible to mix up nice guys with creepy wierdos who use the nice guy thing to make up for a lack of personality, there's nothing wrong with getting upset because your love for some one is unrequited....but getting obsessed over someone is a totally different ball game...
Either way I'm totaly jerkface so I have no trouble with getting all the girls ever |3
Either way I'm totaly jerkface so I have no trouble with getting all the girls ever |3
"Nice Guys" confuse themselves with actual nice guys way too often. : |
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Sure, I can understand somewhat hoping to be rewarded for kindness, but expecting to be rewarded is just outright douchebaggy.
Of course, when it comes to girls, though, it's an entirely different subject altogether. A woman isn't an object to be "rewarded" with. That's even worse of a mindset.
At the same time, though, a lot of guys (I'll admit that I, myself, am included) were raised TO be nice to the opposite sex, but legitimately and not expecting "reward", and a lot of people get mistaken about that. Some guys aren't being "nice guys"; some are just doing what they were raised to do. What sucks is when the fake jerks decide to start whining because they feel like they weren't "properly rewarded". Baaaah. All of my haaate. =_=
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Sure, I can understand somewhat hoping to be rewarded for kindness, but expecting to be rewarded is just outright douchebaggy.
Of course, when it comes to girls, though, it's an entirely different subject altogether. A woman isn't an object to be "rewarded" with. That's even worse of a mindset.
At the same time, though, a lot of guys (I'll admit that I, myself, am included) were raised TO be nice to the opposite sex, but legitimately and not expecting "reward", and a lot of people get mistaken about that. Some guys aren't being "nice guys"; some are just doing what they were raised to do. What sucks is when the fake jerks decide to start whining because they feel like they weren't "properly rewarded". Baaaah. All of my haaate. =_=
♫ "Nice Guys, finish last
That's why I'll treat you like trash
It's not what I really want to do
Cause, you only date bad guys
So I'll give you my best try
To treat you the way you want me to" ♫
Truth is, as much as guys don't know how to give women what they want, women also have no clue what they want either. Just like the wrong guys for you isn't entitled be with you, you aren't entitled to be with the "right" guy for you either.
Try just getting along for once. Don't close doors that are open to you unless you find yourself in the wrong room.
That's why I'll treat you like trash
It's not what I really want to do
Cause, you only date bad guys
So I'll give you my best try
To treat you the way you want me to" ♫
Truth is, as much as guys don't know how to give women what they want, women also have no clue what they want either. Just like the wrong guys for you isn't entitled be with you, you aren't entitled to be with the "right" guy for you either.
Try just getting along for once. Don't close doors that are open to you unless you find yourself in the wrong room.
But, but... I've put in several "friendship coins" at this point! The vending machine that is women OWE me! Ugh she must either be a frigid cocktease or a slut! (Or both! It makes sense because I said!) Maybe I should just shake her until a relationship falls out?
(Yeah. Nice guys. Oh lord. And usually a journal/picture like this brings them out of the woodwork with replies like "butbutbut wooooomeeeeennnnn")
(Yeah. Nice guys. Oh lord. And usually a journal/picture like this brings them out of the woodwork with replies like "butbutbut wooooomeeeeennnnn")
^ http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi.....oll-baiting%22
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Nobody is entitled to a woman, or a man, or... a partner, there. Both genders do this, and both genders are victims of it, gay or straight or other.
Though, I think the bigger complaint I have is when somebody strings along a man/woman they knows is interested in them, so they keeps doing and getting things for them... that's just taking advantage.
Though, I think the bigger complaint I have is when somebody strings along a man/woman they knows is interested in them, so they keeps doing and getting things for them... that's just taking advantage.
Yeah, I'm not too savvy on ANYTHING. But yeah, I also hate guys who, though nice, complain how they can never find women despite how nice and friendly they are and how much they supposedly care. When reality is, they have these ridiculously high standards out of their own appearance and personality and only want to date specific kinds of women. Of course the pool is gonna be shallow if YOU'RE gonna be shallow, dingus.
Being "nice" to someone expecting something in return is just disguised selfishness. "Nice Guys" are not nice at all.
Just even the language of trying to "have" someone; it implies some kind of possession of an individual which I find quite demeaning. It is treating a person as an object.
Just even the language of trying to "have" someone; it implies some kind of possession of an individual which I find quite demeaning. It is treating a person as an object.
I am reminded of the time a fellow classmate saw my unsightly visage and told me to get a girl, that somewhere out there I would find "my chosen woman"
And then followed it up with "And if you can't you can always get a shy one drunk and fuck her, its not like if she would mind"
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And then followed it up with "And if you can't you can always get a shy one drunk and fuck her, its not like if she would mind"
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I think that you don't just decide to have a fetish for shits and giggles. You don't just say "Well, I can't get a boy/girl, maybe I'll just hump trees instead!"
There already would have to be a draw to the subject of arousal for you to get anything from it. Something that would be there if you could get a date or not.
There already would have to be a draw to the subject of arousal for you to get anything from it. Something that would be there if you could get a date or not.
You keep bringing it back to it being a fetish. I said there are people out there who go jailhouse gay, or jailhouse "insert fetish" to fit in with someone to have sex. Again, if you don't think this is a real thing, there are lots of try-hards right here on FA, who are in to every fetish known to man.
If you think not wanting to be treated as an owed commodity is self-righteousness, then I don't know what to say to you.
1.No, I think broadcasting it is self-righteousness.
It's the equivalent of telling people, "You are not entitled to set me on fire!" Of course no one is entitled to do that, it doesn't need to be said, thus it's redundancy. In addition, saying it to someone broadcasts to them that they need to be told this in the first place, which is again self-righteous on your part.
In addition, I've had this conversation with people in social situations, and they were able to discuss the issue just fine. You really should avoid blanket statements.
2. There is nothing to discuss, see my above reply.
1.No, I think broadcasting it is self-righteousness.
It's the equivalent of telling people, "You are not entitled to set me on fire!" Of course no one is entitled to do that, it doesn't need to be said, thus it's redundancy. In addition, saying it to someone broadcasts to them that they need to be told this in the first place, which is again self-righteous on your part.
In addition, I've had this conversation with people in social situations, and they were able to discuss the issue just fine. You really should avoid blanket statements.
2. There is nothing to discuss, see my above reply.
whoa, so many comments! this is an adorable pic with a good message.
though, as i'm sure you realize, the nice guy/girl/whatever issue doesn't just have to do with them finding a partner/damsel in distress or whatever... it can also just be the way they treat others. i cut out a couple 'nice guys' from my life. but they were just so WONDERFUL and GENEROUS, how could i be so terrible to not want to be friends with them anymore?! maybe because i was sick of them whining and guilt-tripping and being passive aggressive, but then wondering why people didn't reciprocate and give them attention? GOLLY GEE
i'm glad that people are really calling out the 'nice guy' syndrome.
though, as i'm sure you realize, the nice guy/girl/whatever issue doesn't just have to do with them finding a partner/damsel in distress or whatever... it can also just be the way they treat others. i cut out a couple 'nice guys' from my life. but they were just so WONDERFUL and GENEROUS, how could i be so terrible to not want to be friends with them anymore?! maybe because i was sick of them whining and guilt-tripping and being passive aggressive, but then wondering why people didn't reciprocate and give them attention? GOLLY GEE
i'm glad that people are really calling out the 'nice guy' syndrome.
When 'Nice Guy' started out, it was the rant of men who lost relationships because they wouldn't engage in BDSM behavior or feed dramallamas with conflict or abuse, and were thus abandoned for partners that would meet these needs. Or, it was the exhaustion of constant rejection by women who felt they were far outside the man's 'safe range of upward dating.' E
What 'Nice Guy' turned into happened when a bunch of misogynistic, entitled, spoiled children decided to latch onto the term for why regular women rejected them. Them, their ICP T-shirts, their Naruto headbands and their collection of model trains.
Now, every Nice Guy is just perceived as belonging to the R9K variety, and any legitimate complaint a boring but ultimately unfulfilling man has about being dumped for not having money, not being a self-aggrandizing 'dominant,' not being attractive enough to appear even on the radars of nice young women in their number range, is kicked under the bus as just the byproduct of a hugbox culture based on entitlement and fear of vaginas. Now, 'Nice Guy' is synonymous with R9K, and no legitimate reason can be found to warrant its use. All incidences are regarded as histrionic fiction or exaggeration, and the guy dumped for "being a wimp" is reimagined as a guy dumped for a more legitimate reason. Even when there actually isn't one.
It's the most amazing event of a strawman being brought to life in the image of the original, being worn by immature little shits and terrorizing the town in his name. Now the town does not believe a single legitimate story of the original guy, they only see the strawman walking, talking and posting on R9K, and the perception of the original depends not on the original model, but on the strawman that has come to represent them. And worse, the townsfolk don't -want- to believe any story from the original is true. They want to believe everything is the strawman's fault, and the strawman is irredeemable and without any truth. Now anything the original guy says is disregarded as having the strawman's slant, and any story similar in nature is seen as being told from the perspective of the Nice Guy Strawman.
And the dialog between sexes suffers to this day for it.
What 'Nice Guy' turned into happened when a bunch of misogynistic, entitled, spoiled children decided to latch onto the term for why regular women rejected them. Them, their ICP T-shirts, their Naruto headbands and their collection of model trains.
Now, every Nice Guy is just perceived as belonging to the R9K variety, and any legitimate complaint a boring but ultimately unfulfilling man has about being dumped for not having money, not being a self-aggrandizing 'dominant,' not being attractive enough to appear even on the radars of nice young women in their number range, is kicked under the bus as just the byproduct of a hugbox culture based on entitlement and fear of vaginas. Now, 'Nice Guy' is synonymous with R9K, and no legitimate reason can be found to warrant its use. All incidences are regarded as histrionic fiction or exaggeration, and the guy dumped for "being a wimp" is reimagined as a guy dumped for a more legitimate reason. Even when there actually isn't one.
It's the most amazing event of a strawman being brought to life in the image of the original, being worn by immature little shits and terrorizing the town in his name. Now the town does not believe a single legitimate story of the original guy, they only see the strawman walking, talking and posting on R9K, and the perception of the original depends not on the original model, but on the strawman that has come to represent them. And worse, the townsfolk don't -want- to believe any story from the original is true. They want to believe everything is the strawman's fault, and the strawman is irredeemable and without any truth. Now anything the original guy says is disregarded as having the strawman's slant, and any story similar in nature is seen as being told from the perspective of the Nice Guy Strawman.
And the dialog between sexes suffers to this day for it.
Is...
is it good that I read through all these and felt remarkably assured of myself?
I just don't worry about it. if I meet someone and we hit a groove, that's fuckin' awesome.
If I meet someone and we don't...another great friend! No real loss.
If I don't meet anyone at all..well, fuck, that kinda sucks, but life goes on.
Excuse me for waxing philosophic on this one, I just wanted to chip in two cents.
is it good that I read through all these and felt remarkably assured of myself?
I just don't worry about it. if I meet someone and we hit a groove, that's fuckin' awesome.
If I meet someone and we don't...another great friend! No real loss.
If I don't meet anyone at all..well, fuck, that kinda sucks, but life goes on.
Excuse me for waxing philosophic on this one, I just wanted to chip in two cents.
I know someone elsewhere on the internet who says these types of things re: tipping waiters, which just boggles the fucking mind. I blame it on him never holding a job for more than a month and thus having, like, no understanding of what anyone who works in retail or food service goes through.
see, for a second, I was mildly confused, then I read down and fell into a big ol pile of wisdom.
I was on the right track, the difference between nice guys and "nice guys" and whatnot.
I know a guy like this, professional womanizer and general playboy...he wonders why I don't talk to him anymore.
I was on the right track, the difference between nice guys and "nice guys" and whatnot.
I know a guy like this, professional womanizer and general playboy...he wonders why I don't talk to him anymore.
I saw this just after making a tweet on a related subject.
Basically I've come to the conclusion that it's a misconception that males calling females "dude" "guy" and other traditionally masculine slang terms means they're seeing them as "one of the guys". From it's usage it actually means they're seeing them as people, not "things". Ergo, implicit in language is the idea that women are not people, not human.
Which begs an uncomfortable question; are men who want women as objects technically wannabe zoophiles? Because I can't find a non-animalistic term for people who sexualise non-people/non-sapient beings.
In a pinch I'd call it antisapiophillia, because I don't know Latin.
Basically I've come to the conclusion that it's a misconception that males calling females "dude" "guy" and other traditionally masculine slang terms means they're seeing them as "one of the guys". From it's usage it actually means they're seeing them as people, not "things". Ergo, implicit in language is the idea that women are not people, not human.
Which begs an uncomfortable question; are men who want women as objects technically wannabe zoophiles? Because I can't find a non-animalistic term for people who sexualise non-people/non-sapient beings.
In a pinch I'd call it antisapiophillia, because I don't know Latin.
And here I thought this was going to be something about "owning" a woman like an object/possession/slave. Like.. not real slavery, but just wanting people to avoid saying "my woman."
But, that's just semantics. The actual point you made here about "Nice Guys" is much more poignant/valid. Good stuff!
But, that's just semantics. The actual point you made here about "Nice Guys" is much more poignant/valid. Good stuff!
And this Pie is why I fucking love you. Adorable art mixed shit that needs to be said.
Nice Guys, a way for shallow asshats with a persecution complex to claim they're the victims because as it turns out most women aren't shallow or dumb and can tell tell your real intentions in five seconds.
Life isn't a shitty romance where fugly but kinda nerdy and dorky guys always get hot woman.
Usuallly these men are baffled when any one of any gender says they're not dating or looking for a partner. Well, baffled by the men, enraged at the women.
Nice Guys, a way for shallow asshats with a persecution complex to claim they're the victims because as it turns out most women aren't shallow or dumb and can tell tell your real intentions in five seconds.
Life isn't a shitty romance where fugly but kinda nerdy and dorky guys always get hot woman.
Usuallly these men are baffled when any one of any gender says they're not dating or looking for a partner. Well, baffled by the men, enraged at the women.
I feel like I might be missing out on a certain layer of the joke because I'm not interested in romantic or sexual relationships with anyone PERIOD, but I'm still having a bit of fun laughing at the people who took the joke the wrong way or misinterpreted what you meant by it. It's almost as funny as the joke itself.
Guys who consider themselves "nice guys" as though it would grant them some sort of privilege or edge or entitlement.... need a serious reality check.
the problem is how the mindset quickly leads to a constant state of mislead disappointment at whatever it is they think they deserve. This leads to probably the most unattractive personalities known to society.
I realized how terrible this was back when I was 19. There was a random deviantart friend who eventually felt he "deserved" me as a boyfriend. because he was nice to me for a few weeks? Things got creepy and awful very fast. and I felt so violated too >_> good god, even talking about it right now gives me all sorts of bad vibes in my head.
he fit all those creepy basement dwelly, dating sim playing, waifu pillow hugging in public, guys from japan stereotypes...only he was into dudes >_> no one is safe.
the problem is how the mindset quickly leads to a constant state of mislead disappointment at whatever it is they think they deserve. This leads to probably the most unattractive personalities known to society.
I realized how terrible this was back when I was 19. There was a random deviantart friend who eventually felt he "deserved" me as a boyfriend. because he was nice to me for a few weeks? Things got creepy and awful very fast. and I felt so violated too >_> good god, even talking about it right now gives me all sorts of bad vibes in my head.
he fit all those creepy basement dwelly, dating sim playing, waifu pillow hugging in public, guys from japan stereotypes...only he was into dudes >_> no one is safe.
I could never explain why i thought nice guys were creepy, until i found this website.
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/ra.....eguys/ng.shtml
Sweet lord, yes.
Nice guys can just fuck off.
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/ra.....eguys/ng.shtml
Sweet lord, yes.
Nice guys can just fuck off.
Yeah, preach it brother! We all know that, deep down, women just care about cars and penises. Too many are incapable of appreciating a truly nice guy who would appreciate them for their brain and inner beauty instead of their looks. It's criminal that a guy can listen to a girl talk about her feelings and crap and she won't even go out with him then because she just wants to hang out with some dumb jock! Women are so self-centered. Luckily, we now have video games so we don't need them anymore. Someday all these stuck-up western bitches will realize that all the good men like Samus (the only RATIONAL woman) better than them and their stupid drama. But then it will be too late. It's time we all went our own way to show them what we're worth.
It just makes the nice guy stupid for expecting any of his compassion to be returned.
Therein lies the problem: the 'Nice Guy' expects something in return for acting nice.
You can't act like a nice person and expect something in return for it, whether 'something' means 'money' or 'returned compassion' or 'a hot piece of ass'. That makes your actions disingenuous: you act nice only because you expect someone to repay you for your kindness in some way, rather than acting nice for the sake of acting nice.
A genuinely nice person acts with compassion towards a woman without any expectation of returned affection. The 'Nice Guy' acts compassionate towards a woman with the expectation of returned affection, regardless of the degree of said affection.
tl;dr: Acting compassionate towards a woman does not entitle a man to a free blowjob.
Therein lies the problem: the 'Nice Guy' expects something in return for acting nice.
You can't act like a nice person and expect something in return for it, whether 'something' means 'money' or 'returned compassion' or 'a hot piece of ass'. That makes your actions disingenuous: you act nice only because you expect someone to repay you for your kindness in some way, rather than acting nice for the sake of acting nice.
A genuinely nice person acts with compassion towards a woman without any expectation of returned affection. The 'Nice Guy' acts compassionate towards a woman with the expectation of returned affection, regardless of the degree of said affection.
tl;dr: Acting compassionate towards a woman does not entitle a man to a free blowjob.
when I complain about not being able to get a significant other people are ALWAYS telling me that there is someone for everyone...
I've been single for over 13 years, I'm pretty sure I'm just screwed at this point
yes, I've been single longer than many people on FA have been ALIVE >.<
I've been single for over 13 years, I'm pretty sure I'm just screwed at this point
yes, I've been single longer than many people on FA have been ALIVE >.<
Technically, with the billions upon billions of people in the world, it is fairly impossible that not one of those people would have a relationship with you. If your paths ever cross, however, is another matter. Realistically, not everyone is going to find someone. Even if you find someone, the chances of the love staying strong throughout your entire lives is incredibly rare and the exception rather than the rule.
Sadly, society and our biological imperative put so much emphasis on BEING in a relationship with someone that we feel as if we cannot possibly live full, happy lives without them.
Sadly, society and our biological imperative put so much emphasis on BEING in a relationship with someone that we feel as if we cannot possibly live full, happy lives without them.
considering my marriage lasted less than 9months, she left me for my best friend, only to get dumped by him after he "won" and this all cost my my two kids...
yeah, I am sadly aware that People Suck... and not in the fun way.
I just need to find someone with Very Low Standards that doesn't mind my being gone for two weeks at a him, only to get 48 hours home before having to leave again...
yeah, I am sadly aware that People Suck... and not in the fun way.
I just need to find someone with Very Low Standards that doesn't mind my being gone for two weeks at a him, only to get 48 hours home before having to leave again...
yeah, that hasn't worked either
I work 70+ hours every single week, all my money goes to pay for my brothers house so HE doesn't loose His kids (another divorce where the woman left for a looser)
and I've been hurt FAR too often to "trust" anymore.
*sighs* I hate my life, but it's the only one I gots
I work 70+ hours every single week, all my money goes to pay for my brothers house so HE doesn't loose His kids (another divorce where the woman left for a looser)
and I've been hurt FAR too often to "trust" anymore.
*sighs* I hate my life, but it's the only one I gots
Women don't like guys who're downers. They like men with self confidence and a positive outlook on life. Try thinking of some positive things about yourself and focus on them. If you can't think about anything positive, MAKE something positive of yourself and learn to be confident. If you put some dedicated effort into yourself, a woman may just come along for you. :)
in a nutshell I lost the only woman I ever loved, my best friend, my children, my job, my health, and whatever hope I ever had of being happy.
so basically I'm a "Downer" because I have nothing to look forward to.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/583517/
read that, it is a VERY short overview of what I have been dealing with since 2000
so basically I'm a "Downer" because I have nothing to look forward to.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/583517/
read that, it is a VERY short overview of what I have been dealing with since 2000
It's time to change your life then if you hate it so much! Just talking as a woman, seeing these posts would leave me to back up a bit if this is how you talk in real life. Do some things you enjoy. I know being a truck driver can leave you with little time of your own, but there are small things you can do to treat yourself. Take care of yourself first. if a woman sees that you're confident with yourself, that you enjoy life no matter what it is, and that you're responsible and genuine, and love to laugh, that's a HUGE draw. Remember that happiness is the journey not the destination. The happier you feel, the better your life will become as a result. No, seriously!
I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I felt a lot like you for a very long time and it's a damn helpless place to be isn't it? IT takes away all your power. It leaves you feeling like you're nothing. And the only thing that can change that is YOU. If you change your way of thinking you change your way of acting by result. You really do. And another thing is, you will change how others RESPOND to you, men AND women. Stop thinking "this will never change" and start thinking "this is nothing. I can change this with small steps toward my ultimate goal" And then dont just think it, DO it.
Don't start thinking all woman are beasts just because the ones you've had the displeasure to be in a relationship in have been cruel or unkind. This will make you bitter, and it will draw other unhappy people to you. Which brings me to my next point.
Secondly, look at the type of women that you want to get involved with. Yes, there are some horrible women out there, just like there are horrible men. Search for someone with the same likes and dislikes. Search for someone who will push you to succeed and believe in you. Search for someone who believes in loyalty. Search for someone who is NOT looking for a man to complete her. That is a common misconception. Your partner should NOT complete you. You should be a complete person on your own. Your partner should COMPLIMENT you. Co-dependency is not a healthy relationship at all. it leads you to allow yourself to be stepped on, in fear of being alone. Being alone is NOTHING to fear, and it's not a bad place to be. I made some of my biggest strides through life when I was alone. You can too.
Third, dont look for a woman with low standards. That just means she has a low self worth. Look for a woman with HIGH Standards, that doesnt need a man to complete them. You know why? because a woman like that will be just fine with you being on the road for a long time. She will be able to fill her time out with friends, doing things she likes, instead of pining for you to come home, eventually resenting you for being gone all the time, and ultimately cheating on you. A woman with confidence, that likes you and cares for you no matter where you are is the kind of woman you should be looking for.
Also looking for a woman with low standards means you don't like who you are as a person. You don't want someone to "settle" for having you. You want someone who thinks you're as great as you really are, and is honored that you chose them, and vice versa.
I really hope this helps. If you ever need to talk please feel free to message me. ^_^ Like I said I've been in your position and thought very little of myself for a very long time. I was on pills for depression, I was Very very low. I would really like to help if i can even be just a little voice of encouragement telling you that YES you CAN when you need to hear it.
I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I felt a lot like you for a very long time and it's a damn helpless place to be isn't it? IT takes away all your power. It leaves you feeling like you're nothing. And the only thing that can change that is YOU. If you change your way of thinking you change your way of acting by result. You really do. And another thing is, you will change how others RESPOND to you, men AND women. Stop thinking "this will never change" and start thinking "this is nothing. I can change this with small steps toward my ultimate goal" And then dont just think it, DO it.
Don't start thinking all woman are beasts just because the ones you've had the displeasure to be in a relationship in have been cruel or unkind. This will make you bitter, and it will draw other unhappy people to you. Which brings me to my next point.
Secondly, look at the type of women that you want to get involved with. Yes, there are some horrible women out there, just like there are horrible men. Search for someone with the same likes and dislikes. Search for someone who will push you to succeed and believe in you. Search for someone who believes in loyalty. Search for someone who is NOT looking for a man to complete her. That is a common misconception. Your partner should NOT complete you. You should be a complete person on your own. Your partner should COMPLIMENT you. Co-dependency is not a healthy relationship at all. it leads you to allow yourself to be stepped on, in fear of being alone. Being alone is NOTHING to fear, and it's not a bad place to be. I made some of my biggest strides through life when I was alone. You can too.
Third, dont look for a woman with low standards. That just means she has a low self worth. Look for a woman with HIGH Standards, that doesnt need a man to complete them. You know why? because a woman like that will be just fine with you being on the road for a long time. She will be able to fill her time out with friends, doing things she likes, instead of pining for you to come home, eventually resenting you for being gone all the time, and ultimately cheating on you. A woman with confidence, that likes you and cares for you no matter where you are is the kind of woman you should be looking for.
Also looking for a woman with low standards means you don't like who you are as a person. You don't want someone to "settle" for having you. You want someone who thinks you're as great as you really are, and is honored that you chose them, and vice versa.
I really hope this helps. If you ever need to talk please feel free to message me. ^_^ Like I said I've been in your position and thought very little of myself for a very long time. I was on pills for depression, I was Very very low. I would really like to help if i can even be just a little voice of encouragement telling you that YES you CAN when you need to hear it.
This was me before because I had no fucking clue what to do. It's really shitty to feel like your the most unattractive person around, then you realize your behavior was just stupid. Hopefully you realize that anyway. I still don't like the dating game, though, I just know how to play it.
There are 316 comments on this single submission. Do you think anyone is going to read them all.
If I had a point I wanted to bring up in a post like this, you're darn right I'd read through them all not to make sure I wasn't being a broken record by addressing something that has already been addressed.
There's some gross victim blaming going on in your last couple sentences, I'm not even going to touch that. But overall you've entirely missed my point about this being about a certain subculture of guys and not men as a whole.
If I had a point I wanted to bring up in a post like this, you're darn right I'd read through them all not to make sure I wasn't being a broken record by addressing something that has already been addressed.
There's some gross victim blaming going on in your last couple sentences, I'm not even going to touch that. But overall you've entirely missed my point about this being about a certain subculture of guys and not men as a whole.
A broken record huh? Now you are turning the conversation on it's head here. Am I not entitled to my own opinion or do you expect everyone to agree with you when you make such an implied submission?
Your opinion was already voiced in the exact same way by someone above, and I addressed it. Nobody ever said you couldn't say it and I'm not sure where you're pulling that from. If I didn't like other people voicing their opinions I'd delete them.
I'd really like to know how you think I blame the victims.
"I've seen so many women deal with the meanest guys and you know what? No one is forcing them to stay except themselves. "
Abuse, either verbal or physical, is not so easy as just WALKING away from. There are deeper psychological matters involved and it's wrong to think they're just staying there for kicks.
You never also put the word "subculture" into the submission. You said "You are not entitled to a Woman." placing gender bias on a topic you keep going in circles over.
And yet plenty of people seemed to get it just fine.
Your opinion was already voiced in the exact same way by someone above, and I addressed it. Nobody ever said you couldn't say it and I'm not sure where you're pulling that from. If I didn't like other people voicing their opinions I'd delete them.
I'd really like to know how you think I blame the victims.
"I've seen so many women deal with the meanest guys and you know what? No one is forcing them to stay except themselves. "
Abuse, either verbal or physical, is not so easy as just WALKING away from. There are deeper psychological matters involved and it's wrong to think they're just staying there for kicks.
You never also put the word "subculture" into the submission. You said "You are not entitled to a Woman." placing gender bias on a topic you keep going in circles over.
And yet plenty of people seemed to get it just fine.
Yes! No one is forcing them to stay! There are therapy groups for abused women. There is the police, there are advocacy groups and organizations that not only help women but encourage them to take proactive steps in their own lives? So how exactly is that victim blaming if the woman does NOTHING?
Because the person doing the abuse should be the one getting all of the punishment. Someone sitting around being slapped because they're paralyzed with fear about what will happen if they try and leave and their abuser kills them should not have to hear people say "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST MOVED! You deserve to get slapped!"
Because the person doing the abuse should be the one getting all of the punishment. Someone sitting around being slapped because they're paralyzed with fear about what will happen if they try and leave and their abuser kills them should not have to hear people say "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST MOVED! You deserve to get slapped!"
No, dude. You've stated TWICE that you have no sympathy for people being mistreated because they don't leave, and it's actually kind of making me sick to my stomach at this point that someone would feel that way.
Yes! No one is forcing them to stay! There are therapy groups for abused women. There is the police, there are advocacy groups and organizations that not only help women but encourage them to take proactive steps in their own lives? So how exactly is that victim blaming if the woman does NOTHING?
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I've seen so many women deal with the meanest guys and you know what? No one is forcing them to stay except themselves.
Yes! No one is forcing them to stay! There are therapy groups for abused women. There is the police, there are advocacy groups and organizations that not only help women but encourage them to take proactive steps in their own lives? So how exactly is that victim blaming if the woman does NOTHING?
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I've seen so many women deal with the meanest guys and you know what? No one is forcing them to stay except themselves.
I understand, and I apologize if I misunderstood you.
But to be fair, my dad has had the police called on him before.
When it's he said, she said, they tend to just shrug and say there's nothing they can do. There's one person's word against another's and without evidence to back anything up, there's not much that can be done. Rather than tell you the details of my mom's situation, as it's really uncomfortable to talk about. And certainly abuse does reciprocate.
But to be fair, my dad has had the police called on him before.
When it's he said, she said, they tend to just shrug and say there's nothing they can do. There's one person's word against another's and without evidence to back anything up, there's not much that can be done. Rather than tell you the details of my mom's situation, as it's really uncomfortable to talk about. And certainly abuse does reciprocate.
You know I actually wasn't totally with you on this before.
But this guy seems to fit the bill of what you're talking about. Maybe he kinda rubs me the wrong way though because my mom is in pretty much the exact same situation as his and my dad treats her almost identically. But that's neither here nor there. I had thought that perhaps you meant that every guy that just tries to be nice at all was just some virgin neckbeard loser. I think Jabilo brought up an excellent point earlier. That there are actually kind, good hearted men who just get rejected. It happens. And the baby is getting thrown out with the bathwater because a few bad apples spoiled the bunch, if you'll pardon the excessive use of metaphor. Earlier, you said that anyone who gets yelled at for holding the door open, "probably had it coming because they probably did it creepily." Sorry, pie, if I may so call you that, but, believe it or not, some people are jerks and cannot accept favors well. This is not restricted to sex. Believe it or not, it's possible, though, a rare anecdote he was nice to someone and they snapped. Why they might have snapped though could be they may have been having a shitty day and transferred to the nearest person.
But this guy seems to fit the bill of what you're talking about. Maybe he kinda rubs me the wrong way though because my mom is in pretty much the exact same situation as his and my dad treats her almost identically. But that's neither here nor there. I had thought that perhaps you meant that every guy that just tries to be nice at all was just some virgin neckbeard loser. I think Jabilo brought up an excellent point earlier. That there are actually kind, good hearted men who just get rejected. It happens. And the baby is getting thrown out with the bathwater because a few bad apples spoiled the bunch, if you'll pardon the excessive use of metaphor. Earlier, you said that anyone who gets yelled at for holding the door open, "probably had it coming because they probably did it creepily." Sorry, pie, if I may so call you that, but, believe it or not, some people are jerks and cannot accept favors well. This is not restricted to sex. Believe it or not, it's possible, though, a rare anecdote he was nice to someone and they snapped. Why they might have snapped though could be they may have been having a shitty day and transferred to the nearest person.
In fairness, she did reply earlier that yes, women are not entitled to men or other women if they're gay. Or men are not entitled to men if they're gay or bisexual.
Though, I personally find that everyone has certain inalienable rights endowed by his or her "creator." When I say creator, of course, I mean the masonic definition of creator; whoever or whatever force they believe all was created from. It's my belief that all these people have these inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not limited to love and the pursuit thereof.
I disagree with a few other things stated, but, that was the primary one I wanted to get out.
Though, I personally find that everyone has certain inalienable rights endowed by his or her "creator." When I say creator, of course, I mean the masonic definition of creator; whoever or whatever force they believe all was created from. It's my belief that all these people have these inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not limited to love and the pursuit thereof.
I disagree with a few other things stated, but, that was the primary one I wanted to get out.
[q]I agree with you except I don't believe in a creator.
I feel we are beings of such capability and wonder yet so so much terror. Religion has been a vice of man ever since he learned to become self aware. [/q]
The masonic ideal of "creator" is whatever force or being you feel created you.
This is not limited to what you believe started the universe. Scientific or otherwise. It is and acknowledgement that a power greater than yourself existed before you and caused you to come into being. Whether sentient or just a stronger force such as the big bang, in this case. Me and god personally haven't seen eye to eye in many months. But the concept of 'god' on "in god we trust" comes from this principal of, "whatever it is that we all came from."
Even if that's the higgs boson particle.
I feel we are beings of such capability and wonder yet so so much terror. Religion has been a vice of man ever since he learned to become self aware. [/q]
The masonic ideal of "creator" is whatever force or being you feel created you.
This is not limited to what you believe started the universe. Scientific or otherwise. It is and acknowledgement that a power greater than yourself existed before you and caused you to come into being. Whether sentient or just a stronger force such as the big bang, in this case. Me and god personally haven't seen eye to eye in many months. But the concept of 'god' on "in god we trust" comes from this principal of, "whatever it is that we all came from."
Even if that's the higgs boson particle.
Sure, I get you.
Just trying to explain how 'god' is explained in the mason ideology. Essentially, it's the force that is responsible for the creation of all things. Even if it's an entirely scientific thing. It's the humble admission that there is a force greater than yourself.
Just trying to explain how 'god' is explained in the mason ideology. Essentially, it's the force that is responsible for the creation of all things. Even if it's an entirely scientific thing. It's the humble admission that there is a force greater than yourself.
That has got to be the most comments I've ever seen on a journal, but never-the-less; like I tell younger teen boys all the time who complain about girls wanting the "bad boy" and not the "nice guy". To a certain extent that's true, it's something primal in the female subconscious that usually allows them to gravitate towards the guy who is inevitably going to treat them wrong. HOWEVER, I also like to point out that NO WOMAN want's a doormat for a boyfriend. The guy who worships the ground she walks on, and calls every ten seconds to say he "misses her" when she's not around. It's that kind of "nice guy" that annoys the hell out of women. They can sense the clingy desperation in you, and will avoid you if that's your thing. My advice for getting a girl is to play it cool. No, not "be yourself" like some After School commercial might suggest. You can show you appreciate her, but at the same time don't make it look like you'll fall apart without her. Don't put yourself in situations that involve her. Put your poetry and acoustic guitar away, and let her come to you if she's interested, and if she's now...screw her. Probably not worth the trouble anyways. As men, sometimes we tend to forget that women and girls can be douche-bags too. Despite what they look like; they're not all perfect little angels.
My thoughts exactly.
I don't know why I come onto here, sigs. I don't know why. It makes me want to find some of these creepos IRL and beat the living shit out of them and leave them in a hole somewhere. We'll see how much they preach "being victimized is the victim's fault" then.
I don't know why I come onto here, sigs. I don't know why. It makes me want to find some of these creepos IRL and beat the living shit out of them and leave them in a hole somewhere. We'll see how much they preach "being victimized is the victim's fault" then.
Yeah, "nice guy" has become a bit of a 4 letter word. Hell, someone like chris-chan is technically a "nice guy". One could write paragraphs upon paragraphs on this, but I'm sure people will, if they have not already, make any points I would have made more eloquently (plus the more you write on a subject like this, the more your extra fucked up and politically incorrect opinions begin to slowly seep out out despite your best efforts).
No asshole I'm speaking the truth. Women are as a whole scum. They can'[ beat you rape you steal your money and they fucking cops won't help because she is just a woman. Or it's not something that can even be prosecuted. Women are the villains because they have managed to build up a society where their rights are greater than men under the guise of equality. Fuck women. Fucking Idiot
OF course it is okay for a woman to start her post with a blatantly sexist comment as you would phrase . But if a man does it you better watch out.
Congratulations on being an oppressor in in the American female supremest movement. Scumbag, go ahead and delete my account I don't care to be associated with a bunch of fucking bigots.
Congratulations on being an oppressor in in the American female supremest movement. Scumbag, go ahead and delete my account I don't care to be associated with a bunch of fucking bigots.
Women are as a whole scum.
Yeah, screw women like Amelia Earhart, Marie Curie, Mother Teresa, Hillary Clinton, Princess Diana, and your mother! All women exist to crush men's balls and castrate them with butter knives!
They can beat you rape you steal your money and they fucking cops won't help because she is just a woman.
A.) Any woman who hurts you in a physical way deserves to go to jail, end of fucking discussion.
B.) The next time a woman hurts you, document everything about the situation so you have evidence for the cops.
C.) If the cops still refuse to help you because of 'sexism', do what every other wronged person does these days: go to the press and tell them all about how the cops won't help you despite your wealth of evidence.
Or it's not something that can even be prosecuted.
A woman harming you in a physical way counts as assault and she damn well deserves to get prosecuted for it.
A woman stealing your money counts as theft, as she damn well deserves to get prosecuted for it.
A woman calling you names and hurting your feelings doesn't count as a crime, and she doesn't deserve to get prosecuted for making you feel bad. (At worst, it counts as defamation, which you'd handle in civil court.)
Women are the villains because they have managed to build up a society where their rights are greater than men under the guise of equality.
Does inequality exist in the law and in society in regards to men's rights? Yes, I agree.
Whining about how women have made their rights 'greater than men' won't help your cause, though.
Men and women deserve equal treatment under the law, and that includes equal prosecution for crimes and equal punishment for convictions. A woman deserves no more or no less jail time than a man who commits the same crime as her because of her gender, and vice versa.
Women around the world have had to deal with inequality in society for millennia. Society has just started to recognize within the past couple of centuries that women deserve equal treatment, and that still chaps at the hides of a patriarchal society that believes men should have all the rights and women should exist only to serve men's needs inbetween pregnancies.
Me? I hold everyone to the same standard, regardless of gender: if you act like an asshole, you deserve to get treated like one.
Yeah, screw women like Amelia Earhart, Marie Curie, Mother Teresa, Hillary Clinton, Princess Diana, and your mother! All women exist to crush men's balls and castrate them with butter knives!
They can beat you rape you steal your money and they fucking cops won't help because she is just a woman.
A.) Any woman who hurts you in a physical way deserves to go to jail, end of fucking discussion.
B.) The next time a woman hurts you, document everything about the situation so you have evidence for the cops.
C.) If the cops still refuse to help you because of 'sexism', do what every other wronged person does these days: go to the press and tell them all about how the cops won't help you despite your wealth of evidence.
Or it's not something that can even be prosecuted.
A woman harming you in a physical way counts as assault and she damn well deserves to get prosecuted for it.
A woman stealing your money counts as theft, as she damn well deserves to get prosecuted for it.
A woman calling you names and hurting your feelings doesn't count as a crime, and she doesn't deserve to get prosecuted for making you feel bad. (At worst, it counts as defamation, which you'd handle in civil court.)
Women are the villains because they have managed to build up a society where their rights are greater than men under the guise of equality.
Does inequality exist in the law and in society in regards to men's rights? Yes, I agree.
Whining about how women have made their rights 'greater than men' won't help your cause, though.
Men and women deserve equal treatment under the law, and that includes equal prosecution for crimes and equal punishment for convictions. A woman deserves no more or no less jail time than a man who commits the same crime as her because of her gender, and vice versa.
Women around the world have had to deal with inequality in society for millennia. Society has just started to recognize within the past couple of centuries that women deserve equal treatment, and that still chaps at the hides of a patriarchal society that believes men should have all the rights and women should exist only to serve men's needs inbetween pregnancies.
Me? I hold everyone to the same standard, regardless of gender: if you act like an asshole, you deserve to get treated like one.
Well if it helps, I'm more annoyed with your position that ANYONE male or female should just WALK AWAY from an abusive situation as if it's always that easy for everyone. Being 'ashamed' of your mother (your words) is not cool. There are multiple mental reasons people can't just GO sometimes.
You were the one who used the word 'ashamed', for crying out loud. Don't snap at me for things you said and I just repeated.
You don't need to state the obvious or your veiled distaste for the male gender which is blatantly obvious
Oh, cool. Can I say you have thinly veiled misogny then? Since we're playing this game.
You don't need to state the obvious or your veiled distaste for the male gender which is blatantly obvious
Oh, cool. Can I say you have thinly veiled misogny then? Since we're playing this game.
I never understood why she STILL continues with such things to this day.
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I just never fully grasped the motive to why she stayed with my dad until later.
Are contradictory. In one you say you still don't understand why she didn't leave, now you say you understood why she didn't leave. Your wording previous was misleading if you aren't still ashamed she wasn't 'empowered' enough to leave. Women or men had nothing to DO with the convo by this point, my concern was focused on the wording that made it seem like you were saying 'They should just go!'.
And I'm sorry, but I don't have a distate for men. I know you're going to think that no matter what, but whatever.
and
I just never fully grasped the motive to why she stayed with my dad until later.
Are contradictory. In one you say you still don't understand why she didn't leave, now you say you understood why she didn't leave. Your wording previous was misleading if you aren't still ashamed she wasn't 'empowered' enough to leave. Women or men had nothing to DO with the convo by this point, my concern was focused on the wording that made it seem like you were saying 'They should just go!'.
And I'm sorry, but I don't have a distate for men. I know you're going to think that no matter what, but whatever.
I am used to people that usually watch me and knowing how I feel about these things. I didn't take into account that new people would come in and think because I used the term 'entitled to a woman' and "Nice Guys" that I couldn't possibly also think girls aren't entitled to guys. It was a picture done in three minutes in reaction after reading some woman bashing from dudes. Nothing more. I didn't explain more because the simplicity of the picture - a cute image with a short, sharp message was part of the idea. I mean I expected SOME flak for people defending "Nice Guys" but not what happened.
For example, previously I submitted a comic where my stepsister was telling me I was smart to date women because guys are untrustworthy/pigs whatever and I said that I didn't agree with that and the fact I am attracted to women has NOTHING to do with that. I HATED the insinuation it was. Not to mention she didn't take into account I want to date BOTH but that's a whole 'nother kettle. I hate blanket statements about gender.
For example, previously I submitted a comic where my stepsister was telling me I was smart to date women because guys are untrustworthy/pigs whatever and I said that I didn't agree with that and the fact I am attracted to women has NOTHING to do with that. I HATED the insinuation it was. Not to mention she didn't take into account I want to date BOTH but that's a whole 'nother kettle. I hate blanket statements about gender.
Fuck you scumbag, I am receiving treatment for my mental illness. I have a full work up and a diagnosis, it's depression. My logic reasoning and other mental capacities are completely unimpaired. Not anger, nor schizophrenia, no delusions, not anything else. Can you say the same?
I know that my view of the world is based on logic and the way things actually are, my problem is coping with it. Can you say the same? Or are you in point of fact under some delusion and are just trying to imagine a world the way you like it to be while being either to mentally damaged to absorb the facet or the world around you or to you purposefully ignore it.
I know that my view of the world is based on logic and the way things actually are, my problem is coping with it. Can you say the same? Or are you in point of fact under some delusion and are just trying to imagine a world the way you like it to be while being either to mentally damaged to absorb the facet or the world around you or to you purposefully ignore it.
Everyone is capable of being an asshole but that does not mean that everyone is,to call an entire gender scum is insane. And also, women still face things like lesser pay in jobs and the like, they don't have greater rights than men. I believe we should all be truly equal. I don't agree with the "OMG MEN ARE EVIL" feminists, but to act as you do is deplorable. Did your mother not love you enough or something?
You are a woefully ignorant person.
Women do not face lesser pay in jobs, women take lower paying jobs.
http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/12/wo.....rningmore.html
And it would be nice if in fact we were all equal but it takes very little time to actually research the laws in your state or country you will find that no you do not have the same rights as women and that your rights are in fact lesser.
Women do not face lesser pay in jobs, women take lower paying jobs.
http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/12/wo.....rningmore.html
And it would be nice if in fact we were all equal but it takes very little time to actually research the laws in your state or country you will find that no you do not have the same rights as women and that your rights are in fact lesser.
I think its important to remember that both men and women are in certain ways trained to observe desirable qualities where there are none, or exhibit qualities that are deemed as desirable which are in actuality not. For example, men are encouraged to ACT dismissive or aloof to women, whereas women are encouraged to seek out this behavior. All you need to do is listen to a few of those god-awful "pick up artist" videos on youtube to note that, yes, the asshole vs. nice guy dynamic is alive and well in the cases of highly superficial and anti-intellectual people.
I also want to suggest that people are often too willing to put this dynamic into place. Men who are attracted to their female friends, when the attraction is not mutual, will claim that their female friend doesn't like them because they are "the nice guy". Often the case is that the women are simply not physically attracted to them. Even scientific polling has shown that women are on average much less attracted to their male friends than vice versa.
I have also experienced a series of unsatisfactory relationships with guys who were overly solicitous, apologetic, uncertain of themselves and non-assertive; these relationships ended not because the men were "nice guys" but because they were annoyingly subordinate and unwilling to initiate any spontaneous gestures of affection without severe self-doubt. When I finally met my boyfriend, who is a wonderful, sweet and demonstrative person, I was told by friends I only liked him because he was "an asshole". This comment coming from friends of mine who had only ever met him once, and merely assumed he was "an asshole" because he was a 'masculine' looking person. Well, myself and "the asshole" have been together for 7 years, we do everything together, he is my partner in life and my best friend. He is kind, loyal, and fiercely intelligent and talented, he has been by my side through thick and thin. He has never been or never will be a careless "jock" or jerk.
Anyway, personally, I found it offensive that people were assuming that because I am a woman I would break up with 'nice guys' and get together with 'assholes'. It simply doesn't work that way for people with brains.
I also want to suggest that people are often too willing to put this dynamic into place. Men who are attracted to their female friends, when the attraction is not mutual, will claim that their female friend doesn't like them because they are "the nice guy". Often the case is that the women are simply not physically attracted to them. Even scientific polling has shown that women are on average much less attracted to their male friends than vice versa.
I have also experienced a series of unsatisfactory relationships with guys who were overly solicitous, apologetic, uncertain of themselves and non-assertive; these relationships ended not because the men were "nice guys" but because they were annoyingly subordinate and unwilling to initiate any spontaneous gestures of affection without severe self-doubt. When I finally met my boyfriend, who is a wonderful, sweet and demonstrative person, I was told by friends I only liked him because he was "an asshole". This comment coming from friends of mine who had only ever met him once, and merely assumed he was "an asshole" because he was a 'masculine' looking person. Well, myself and "the asshole" have been together for 7 years, we do everything together, he is my partner in life and my best friend. He is kind, loyal, and fiercely intelligent and talented, he has been by my side through thick and thin. He has never been or never will be a careless "jock" or jerk.
Anyway, personally, I found it offensive that people were assuming that because I am a woman I would break up with 'nice guys' and get together with 'assholes'. It simply doesn't work that way for people with brains.
I thought I had replied to this, but I guess I didn't: Yes, exactly.
and merely assumed he was "an asshole" because he was a 'masculine' looking person.
Wow, that was unfair of them. I'm glad you guys found each other! It's not right to think just because a guy has a certain look that he's a jerk.
and merely assumed he was "an asshole" because he was a 'masculine' looking person.
Wow, that was unfair of them. I'm glad you guys found each other! It's not right to think just because a guy has a certain look that he's a jerk.
Most of these "nice guys" that complain about not getting a girlfriend pretty much out themselves as scammers who only behave like nice guys to try and woo girls to go to bed with them. The other few are just those who can't be arsed to actually work on their appearance and behavior in order to make girls notice them.
They make the actual nice guys look like scumbags only out to get a one-night stand with anything with vagina between it's legs. =U
They make the actual nice guys look like scumbags only out to get a one-night stand with anything with vagina between it's legs. =U
First thing you need to know, is a "Nice Guy" is not actually doing nice things for someone because it's the right thing to do - they are doing something expecting to get whoever they're pursuing. Typically, if it's a guy into girls, if they don't get who they're pursuing they'll pull out the cliche that 'women only want men who will mistreat them/bad boys' and 'nice guys finish last'.
This reminds me of why I hate romantic comedies...
But, in the hopes of bringing a little levity to the flame warring.
But, in the hopes of bringing a little levity to the flame warring.
Don't you just love it when you try to say something simple, but suddenly it goes all "gender wars"?
In a galaxy far far away, the FEMALE AGENDA is THREATENING THE UNIVERSE. A brave INTERNET COMMUNITY must expose the evils of PRIVILEGE BOOBIES before society forgets that MEN ARE PEOPLE TOO.
In a galaxy far far away, the FEMALE AGENDA is THREATENING THE UNIVERSE. A brave INTERNET COMMUNITY must expose the evils of PRIVILEGE BOOBIES before society forgets that MEN ARE PEOPLE TOO.
Actually it seems like a lot of the comments exploded due to hearing gender-implications that aren't really there. I don't think Pie's message focused on the gender part at all.
People tend to hear demons where there are none, inserting their own bitter experiences with folks into any space left by ambiguity.
People tend to hear demons where there are none, inserting their own bitter experiences with folks into any space left by ambiguity.
Okay my two cents.
You're talking utter bullshit here sadly. The only reason you have gotten his hugbox effect is due to you being a popufur with watchers and popular friends meaning a lot of sheep like men and women will blindly just agree with what you have to say; i've seen this effect on lotsa furry sites and its dumb.
You are on some crusade to make men out to be horrible human beings who are either out to dick you or be a dick to you.. both genders are scum just accept it; people with genitals can be bad people regardless of upbringing. Good example is my two friends; both play each other off against one another and like the sense of power, causing fights with others and pain and misery etc; they've broken up about 4 times yet this time it's not fixed itself and we're all still cool.. Weird how both genders can be pathetic pedantic idiots when sex is involved isn't it =w=
If you tried spewing this opinion without the fame you have here, eg saying it in a public forum or on the street where you are unknown would you have all 316 people here patting you on the back and ego and telling you how great you are? Doubtful.. VERY doubtful; any popular artist here could start spewing "the holocaust never happened" or other godwin's law cliches and people would support them just to fit into the stigma of popularity and affection.
Not every nice guy will just be with girls for sex, however WE ARE YOUNG WE THINK ABOUT SEX, WE ARE DRIVEN TO STICK OUR WANG IN WOMEN WHO WANT IT OR MEN WHO WANT IT OR WHATEVER THE FUCK SEXUALITY PEOPLE ARE.. It's hormones and lust we can't blame people for that so long as it's not done abusively. There's a social stigma that if you're not in a relationship you are inherently weird and strange or inferior and that's the main reason half of these nice guys you speak of tend to bitch..they just want to fit in.
ITT: stop with the stupid femnazi bullshit.. I've never seen you make a comic about the likes of "girls are horrible abusive creatures who chastise each other over appearance, popularity and inane shit like bra size" it's always "men just want to copulate with you and because I can't get any or dont look for it they are scum"
>await angsty retorts from hugbox central... if anyone wants a proper discussion hit me up on skype@ mong1or
You're talking utter bullshit here sadly. The only reason you have gotten his hugbox effect is due to you being a popufur with watchers and popular friends meaning a lot of sheep like men and women will blindly just agree with what you have to say; i've seen this effect on lotsa furry sites and its dumb.
You are on some crusade to make men out to be horrible human beings who are either out to dick you or be a dick to you.. both genders are scum just accept it; people with genitals can be bad people regardless of upbringing. Good example is my two friends; both play each other off against one another and like the sense of power, causing fights with others and pain and misery etc; they've broken up about 4 times yet this time it's not fixed itself and we're all still cool.. Weird how both genders can be pathetic pedantic idiots when sex is involved isn't it =w=
If you tried spewing this opinion without the fame you have here, eg saying it in a public forum or on the street where you are unknown would you have all 316 people here patting you on the back and ego and telling you how great you are? Doubtful.. VERY doubtful; any popular artist here could start spewing "the holocaust never happened" or other godwin's law cliches and people would support them just to fit into the stigma of popularity and affection.
Not every nice guy will just be with girls for sex, however WE ARE YOUNG WE THINK ABOUT SEX, WE ARE DRIVEN TO STICK OUR WANG IN WOMEN WHO WANT IT OR MEN WHO WANT IT OR WHATEVER THE FUCK SEXUALITY PEOPLE ARE.. It's hormones and lust we can't blame people for that so long as it's not done abusively. There's a social stigma that if you're not in a relationship you are inherently weird and strange or inferior and that's the main reason half of these nice guys you speak of tend to bitch..they just want to fit in.
ITT: stop with the stupid femnazi bullshit.. I've never seen you make a comic about the likes of "girls are horrible abusive creatures who chastise each other over appearance, popularity and inane shit like bra size" it's always "men just want to copulate with you and because I can't get any or dont look for it they are scum"
>await angsty retorts from hugbox central... if anyone wants a proper discussion hit me up on skype@ mong1or
Hey guess what? Women act terrible to each other over appearance and ect. thanks to internalized misogyny. Guess who's behind that misogyny? Men. It's a pretty obvious fact.
Women can be terrible, yes, any person can be! But in this world it is a far from even playing field when it comes to genders. Men have set up game and have written the rules in their favor. If you can't recognize that, then you're incredibly stubborn and short-sighted, stupid, or a misogynist. (I'm going to go with all three, though.)
Women can be terrible, yes, any person can be! But in this world it is a far from even playing field when it comes to genders. Men have set up game and have written the rules in their favor. If you can't recognize that, then you're incredibly stubborn and short-sighted, stupid, or a misogynist. (I'm going to go with all three, though.)
The only reason you have gotten his hugbox effect is due to you being a popufur with watchers and popular friends meaning a lot of sheep like men and women will blindly just agree with what you have to say; i've seen this effect on lotsa furry sites and its dumb.
Maybe she has people speaking up on this issue because they see ignorance and want to educate those who display said ignorance. You can blame her 'hugbox' on 'popularity' all you want, but she likely wouldn't have to deal with everyone like you calling her out if she didn't have that popularity in the first place.
You are on some crusade to make men out to be horrible human beings who are either out to dick you or be a dick to you
Show me where she said that this image or the 'Nice Guy' label applies to all men, or that she believes all men want to either fuck her or fuck her over. G'head. I'll wait.
Weird how both genders can be pathetic pedantic idiots when sex is involved isn't it
I don't think anyone would argue the point, including Pie. I don't dare speak for her, though.
any popular artist here could start spewing "the holocaust never happened" or other godwin's law cliches and people would support them just to fit into the stigma of popularity and affection
I find this doubtful on every conceivable level. Holocaust deniers don't get a whole lot of respect from the vast majority of the world, and I doubt that'd change even within the conglomerate of fucked-up people that we call the furry community.
Not every nice guy will just be with girls for sex
Hence why Pie put 'Nice Guy' in quotation marks: it marks a label that these stereotypical 'Nice Guys' give themselves. She didn't rip on all men; she ripped on the stereotypical 'Nice Guys' who act nice as a facade to get dates or sex, then whine when they don't get dates or sex by acting nice.
There's a social stigma that if you're not in a relationship you are inherently weird and strange or inferior and that's the main reason half of these nice guys you speak of tend to bitch..they just want to fit in.
Their need to fit in does not automatically give them the right to claim someone else as their significant other, no matter how nice they may act towards the person whom they want to claim.
Acting nice doesn't entitle anyone to a goddamn thing, least of all a romantic relationship or sex.
femnazi
You know, I could insult you and probably not get any shit for it, but I find that you don't win hearts by shooting at them. The next time you want someone to take your argument seriously, try to avoid openly insulting other people.
Maybe she has people speaking up on this issue because they see ignorance and want to educate those who display said ignorance. You can blame her 'hugbox' on 'popularity' all you want, but she likely wouldn't have to deal with everyone like you calling her out if she didn't have that popularity in the first place.
You are on some crusade to make men out to be horrible human beings who are either out to dick you or be a dick to you
Show me where she said that this image or the 'Nice Guy' label applies to all men, or that she believes all men want to either fuck her or fuck her over. G'head. I'll wait.
Weird how both genders can be pathetic pedantic idiots when sex is involved isn't it
I don't think anyone would argue the point, including Pie. I don't dare speak for her, though.
any popular artist here could start spewing "the holocaust never happened" or other godwin's law cliches and people would support them just to fit into the stigma of popularity and affection
I find this doubtful on every conceivable level. Holocaust deniers don't get a whole lot of respect from the vast majority of the world, and I doubt that'd change even within the conglomerate of fucked-up people that we call the furry community.
Not every nice guy will just be with girls for sex
Hence why Pie put 'Nice Guy' in quotation marks: it marks a label that these stereotypical 'Nice Guys' give themselves. She didn't rip on all men; she ripped on the stereotypical 'Nice Guys' who act nice as a facade to get dates or sex, then whine when they don't get dates or sex by acting nice.
There's a social stigma that if you're not in a relationship you are inherently weird and strange or inferior and that's the main reason half of these nice guys you speak of tend to bitch..they just want to fit in.
Their need to fit in does not automatically give them the right to claim someone else as their significant other, no matter how nice they may act towards the person whom they want to claim.
Acting nice doesn't entitle anyone to a goddamn thing, least of all a romantic relationship or sex.
femnazi
You know, I could insult you and probably not get any shit for it, but I find that you don't win hearts by shooting at them. The next time you want someone to take your argument seriously, try to avoid openly insulting other people.
I find this doubtful on every conceivable level. Holocaust deniers don't get a whole lot of respect from the vast majority of the world, and I doubt that'd change even within the conglomerate of fucked-up people that we call the furry community.
Yeah didn't Crispykat or whatever get banned when they kept spouting that kind of stuff?
Sure, with the sheer number of watchers any popular artist has you're going to have some people that agree with them, but usually when a popular artist says something fucked up it hits the drama communities and spreads like wildfire. Typically this ends in the person deleting the submission/back pedaling to hope and stop the deluge of people coming from all over.
(By the way, I won't be deleting this submission, so don't get your hopes up.)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9375008/ I offer simple rebuttal is all. Hope you dun mind.
Tell me, are you friends of these woman? I mean genuine close close know all the intimates of their relationships friends with these woman? Because if not then you probably don't know everything going on in that relationship.
That said, welcome to a vast minority (assuming it exists as you see it at all in the first place) that you're making a broad sweeping generalization about, and at the same time belittling the abuse of.
You're not really making a catch out of yourself here bro.
That said, welcome to a vast minority (assuming it exists as you see it at all in the first place) that you're making a broad sweeping generalization about, and at the same time belittling the abuse of.
You're not really making a catch out of yourself here bro.
The one little pinhole that sinks your argument is that women don't "chase" abusive guys. They don't date them because they're abusive. That's nuts. Nobody does that. They date people who they think are good people, who then turn out to be abusive after they're involved.
The only difference between the two is whether or not they get the girl.
Abuser: Act really nice and try to get the girl to date them -> girl dates them -> They turn into a complete asshole.
"NiceGuy": Act really nice and try to get the girl to date them -> girl doesn't date them -> They turn into a complete asshole.
The only difference between the two is whether or not they get the girl.
Abuser: Act really nice and try to get the girl to date them -> girl dates them -> They turn into a complete asshole.
"NiceGuy": Act really nice and try to get the girl to date them -> girl doesn't date them -> They turn into a complete asshole.
But I WANT one!! *throws tantrum*
It also really sucks when you have "high" standards and your body is yelling "FIND A MAN AND HAVE BABIES" at you every day. :<
By "high" standards, I mean anyone who isn't a neckbeard or a bro, but in college they're impossible to find.
It also really sucks when you have "high" standards and your body is yelling "FIND A MAN AND HAVE BABIES" at you every day. :<
By "high" standards, I mean anyone who isn't a neckbeard or a bro, but in college they're impossible to find.
Pie can I say I love you and god damned you just seem to have enough patience for a state population packed into you.
But thank you for always being that one who says what needs to be said, even when it ends up hitting so many ears that will never hear it because their owners voices are too loud.
But thank you for always being that one who says what needs to be said, even when it ends up hitting so many ears that will never hear it because their owners voices are too loud.
"Nice guys" are really quite pathetic; all it takes is a little bit of rejection to get them to cast aside that facade and reveal their true nature, which is no better than the nature of the jackasses that they claim they're better than (and that they bitterly claim all women make themselves [insert slur here] for).
I would say something more substantial there, but, nope, I have nothing.
I would say something more substantial there, but, nope, I have nothing.
this be some boosheet right up in here.
im gonna agree with one of the comments near the top of the page, you are not entitled to a significant other. haters gonna hate but spread the hate around dont single out good people like that. look at all the drama on this page that has come about already.
seems more like this image is just some old fashioned flame baiting.
im gonna agree with one of the comments near the top of the page, you are not entitled to a significant other. haters gonna hate but spread the hate around dont single out good people like that. look at all the drama on this page that has come about already.
seems more like this image is just some old fashioned flame baiting.
you are not entitled to a significant other
You don't have the right to claim someone as a significant other, either. The knife cuts both ways, my friend, so be careful how you wield it.
dont single out good people like that
Pie 'singled out' the guys who only act nice as a facade for getting a girlfriend or getting laid, hence the capitalized letters and quotation marks in 'Nice Guys'. And before you jump all over me for it: no, a woman doing the same thing doesn't make the act any less awful.
You don't have the right to claim someone as a significant other, either. The knife cuts both ways, my friend, so be careful how you wield it.
dont single out good people like that
Pie 'singled out' the guys who only act nice as a facade for getting a girlfriend or getting laid, hence the capitalized letters and quotation marks in 'Nice Guys'. And before you jump all over me for it: no, a woman doing the same thing doesn't make the act any less awful.
i wielded know knife that i need to be wary of how it cuts.
she did not clarify what term she meant nice guy to be. i am one of the many (judging from all the comments on here) who thought she actually meant nice guys in general. my statement was that i agreed with someone else who clearly thought that as well and thus she should've made it politically correct to say in general nobody is entitles to a significant other.
clearly not everyone understood what she meant.
she did not clarify what term she meant nice guy to be. i am one of the many (judging from all the comments on here) who thought she actually meant nice guys in general. my statement was that i agreed with someone else who clearly thought that as well and thus she should've made it politically correct to say in general nobody is entitles to a significant other.
clearly not everyone understood what she meant.
she should've made it politically correct to say in general nobody is entitles to a significant other
Pie speaks from the perspective of a woman, so it makes sense that she'd address a concern of women.
She doesn't have to make a statement 'politically correct' just to make you, or anyone else, feel less 'offended'. Nobody has the right to not feel offended.
Pie speaks from the perspective of a woman, so it makes sense that she'd address a concern of women.
She doesn't have to make a statement 'politically correct' just to make you, or anyone else, feel less 'offended'. Nobody has the right to not feel offended.
You understand what a 'nice guy' is correct? This is in correspondence to nice guys, aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_guy
For people who are still wondering what a Nice Guy is, here's an actual comic made by a Nice Guy: http://www.theniceguycomic.com/comics.htm
Notice how how his self-insert "Nice Guy" unintentionally comes off as a horrible and boring person, while the stawman jock seems like a fun person to be around.
Notice how how his self-insert "Nice Guy" unintentionally comes off as a horrible and boring person, while the stawman jock seems like a fun person to be around.
I'm confused. What's wrong with nice guys? I can agree that no one is *entitled* to a lifelong partner, but... why does this have anything to do with being a nice guy? Why is it wrong to be nice?
As for all these other people who are laughing over this, or or who think people who at least hold out some hope of finding someone and feel that somewhere out there is a match for them that they *will* find at some point or another are in some way flawed or too sensitive... well... what can I say? Maybe you could use a little "niceness" yourselves.
As for all these other people who are laughing over this, or or who think people who at least hold out some hope of finding someone and feel that somewhere out there is a match for them that they *will* find at some point or another are in some way flawed or too sensitive... well... what can I say? Maybe you could use a little "niceness" yourselves.
She doesn't have a responsibility to censor herself for the sake of others' ignorance. She posted the image, and she has explained herself well enough in the comments that a clarification within the description makes no difference.
Besides: even if she did clarify what she meant by the image, I doubt she would have prevented people from going off anyway. She can't control the emotional reactions of other people, and I really hope you don't expect that of her.
Besides: even if she did clarify what she meant by the image, I doubt she would have prevented people from going off anyway. She can't control the emotional reactions of other people, and I really hope you don't expect that of her.
People don't realize that "I don't want to go out/have sex with you" is not an attack. It's a neutral statement.
"Die in a fire" is an attack. Most people don't say that when turning down a sexual advance. And if they do, it's probably because they have a good reason to be offended. And even if they don't, it's their right to say it without being vilified.
So, 1. Men who are upset when they don't get sex for niceness think they're being attacked when they are not. Women simply might not be interested in their type (or any type), no matter how nice or how genuine the kindness.
2. Men who are strongly rebuffed do not think women have a good reason for being forceful about their rejection of sexual advances. Sadly, they often do.
3. Even if you allow that there are women who have no immediate reason to suspect a threat when asked out on a date, fight/flight responses to statistically likely (even if not apparent), there are men who live under the delusion that there is no possible way they could be perceived as threatening. Unfortunately, a lot of "nice guy" behavior is very predatory; hanging in someone's space as if you want to kiss them isn't always seductive; it's intimidating. Touching someone and squeezing their arm or shoulder every chance you get isn't always warm or comforting, it can be intrusive and uncomfortable. Even if that's not how the action was intended, it can be perceived that way, and if a threat is perceived, even if it isn't the guy's "fault," it doesn't somehow reflect badly on the woman for feeling the need to go NOPE NOPE NOPE and get away as fast as possible (or slap him upside the head) in the interest of protecting herself. It's no different than having a fear of snakes. One reacts to the perception of a predator, real or imagined.
"Die in a fire" is an attack. Most people don't say that when turning down a sexual advance. And if they do, it's probably because they have a good reason to be offended. And even if they don't, it's their right to say it without being vilified.
So, 1. Men who are upset when they don't get sex for niceness think they're being attacked when they are not. Women simply might not be interested in their type (or any type), no matter how nice or how genuine the kindness.
2. Men who are strongly rebuffed do not think women have a good reason for being forceful about their rejection of sexual advances. Sadly, they often do.
3. Even if you allow that there are women who have no immediate reason to suspect a threat when asked out on a date, fight/flight responses to statistically likely (even if not apparent), there are men who live under the delusion that there is no possible way they could be perceived as threatening. Unfortunately, a lot of "nice guy" behavior is very predatory; hanging in someone's space as if you want to kiss them isn't always seductive; it's intimidating. Touching someone and squeezing their arm or shoulder every chance you get isn't always warm or comforting, it can be intrusive and uncomfortable. Even if that's not how the action was intended, it can be perceived that way, and if a threat is perceived, even if it isn't the guy's "fault," it doesn't somehow reflect badly on the woman for feeling the need to go NOPE NOPE NOPE and get away as fast as possible (or slap him upside the head) in the interest of protecting herself. It's no different than having a fear of snakes. One reacts to the perception of a predator, real or imagined.
Sweet merciful JESUS what has this devolved into? Last I checked there were a lot of comments, but the amount of butthurt and rebuffing of said butthurt has increased EXPONENTIALLY. It's simply astonishing as to how many people have come onto an adorable and funny work of art just to complain and moan.
Dear GOD people, is the joke really THAT hard to see? The term nice guys is put in QUOTATION MARKS for Christ's sake! It should be obvious she wasn't talking about literal nice guys just from that little detail. It's like the grammatical difference between "Let's eat Grandma" and "Let's eat, Grandma". One little piece of punctuation is all it takes to completely change something's meaning.
As for the subject matter, I don't believe anybody should be nice to anybody expecting to get anything out of it. Be nice because it's the right thing to do, not because you expect to get something out of it. If more people followed this line of thinking, these arguments wouldn't exist.
Dear GOD people, is the joke really THAT hard to see? The term nice guys is put in QUOTATION MARKS for Christ's sake! It should be obvious she wasn't talking about literal nice guys just from that little detail. It's like the grammatical difference between "Let's eat Grandma" and "Let's eat, Grandma". One little piece of punctuation is all it takes to completely change something's meaning.
As for the subject matter, I don't believe anybody should be nice to anybody expecting to get anything out of it. Be nice because it's the right thing to do, not because you expect to get something out of it. If more people followed this line of thinking, these arguments wouldn't exist.
Oh my god are you fucking kidding me?
Please don't spread your Evopsych bullshit, it's such a loose science it can barely be called science.
Evolutionary psychology is simply a matter of preferring one human behavior over another, then saying this is what nature intended and then making up stories about how it evolved, while conveniently ignoring evidence to the contrary. Evidence to the contrary, that you know, actual biologists often come up with!
For this reason people who believe in this shit also don't get along with each other, there's people who would argue that "the unreliable female orgasm is actually a screening mechanism to separate attentive mates from jerks" and then there's people like you who would argue that the world is overrun with jerks because woman are hardwired to crave their sperm.
So which is it?
It's all bullshhit!
Also, alpha males don't exist.
Please don't spread your Evopsych bullshit, it's such a loose science it can barely be called science.
Evolutionary psychology is simply a matter of preferring one human behavior over another, then saying this is what nature intended and then making up stories about how it evolved, while conveniently ignoring evidence to the contrary. Evidence to the contrary, that you know, actual biologists often come up with!
For this reason people who believe in this shit also don't get along with each other, there's people who would argue that "the unreliable female orgasm is actually a screening mechanism to separate attentive mates from jerks" and then there's people like you who would argue that the world is overrun with jerks because woman are hardwired to crave their sperm.
So which is it?
It's all bullshhit!
Also, alpha males don't exist.
Your posts are rife with misunderstanding about what influence hormones (like estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, etc.) actually have on human behavior.
First of all, men's bodies produce estrogen just like women's bodies produce testosterone, in varying amounts. Here you're already running into a problem trying to ascribe one person's mental state to their whole gender. Gender is nothing if not diverse.
There's these extremely common urban myths like
"Women start desiring babies in their late twenties because of HORMONES"
"Testosterone is the reason men are more ambitious and competitive than women"
This stuff helps support archaic and outdated concepts of gender roles. You're taking a small fragment of science and using it to support the cultural conceptions you've had all along.
As an actual trans-person I find it uncomfortable that you'd use us to prop up your means to keep the gender binary entrenched.
Taking hormones for nearly a year now, I can tell you first hand what effects they have. Here's the thing: Hormones DO have an influence on behavior emotions and personality, but you're WAY overstating that influence.
Yes, estrogen did in fact make me slightly more emotionally sensitive, but not in the sense of sending me into an hysterical outbreak at the slightest provocation, or making me unable to control and understand my emotions and work through them.
There's also the common misconception that emotions and reasoning don't mix, when in fact they are intrinsically linked.
I feel calmer, but I'm no less ambitious, I'm actually getting more stuff done recently.
I don't like the color pink any more than I did before, actually pink is more of a manly color anyway. It's closer to red, which is an aggressive color. While blue is more subdued, certainly more befitting of a girl? Oh wait it's just social constructs.
I certainly don't want to have babies all of a sudden, nor do I suddenly crave the DICK.
I'm still not attracted to men, least of all jerks.
Gender-identity and sexuality are different things after all.
Your example of an effeminate man doesn't really help your argument here either, there's lots of effeminate men and there's lots of manly women who are perfectly fine with who they are, they don't feel like they were born in the wrong body.
Gender is not binary, it's a spectrum. And all kinds of influences help shape that, be they biological, environmental or cultural.
That's why trying to paint each side with a broad brush will get you in trouble.
You probably wouldn't be happy if someone said all men are pigs.
Just like a woman wouldn't be happy if you tell her that she's making bad decisions because she is a woman, she's just hard-wired that way. At that point you're not treating them as human beings, capable of making their own decisions, but emotional beings, driven by their hormones, unable to make informed decisions.
It's demeaning and offensive.
First of all, men's bodies produce estrogen just like women's bodies produce testosterone, in varying amounts. Here you're already running into a problem trying to ascribe one person's mental state to their whole gender. Gender is nothing if not diverse.
There's these extremely common urban myths like
"Women start desiring babies in their late twenties because of HORMONES"
"Testosterone is the reason men are more ambitious and competitive than women"
This stuff helps support archaic and outdated concepts of gender roles. You're taking a small fragment of science and using it to support the cultural conceptions you've had all along.
As an actual trans-person I find it uncomfortable that you'd use us to prop up your means to keep the gender binary entrenched.
Taking hormones for nearly a year now, I can tell you first hand what effects they have. Here's the thing: Hormones DO have an influence on behavior emotions and personality, but you're WAY overstating that influence.
Yes, estrogen did in fact make me slightly more emotionally sensitive, but not in the sense of sending me into an hysterical outbreak at the slightest provocation, or making me unable to control and understand my emotions and work through them.
There's also the common misconception that emotions and reasoning don't mix, when in fact they are intrinsically linked.
I feel calmer, but I'm no less ambitious, I'm actually getting more stuff done recently.
I don't like the color pink any more than I did before, actually pink is more of a manly color anyway. It's closer to red, which is an aggressive color. While blue is more subdued, certainly more befitting of a girl? Oh wait it's just social constructs.
I certainly don't want to have babies all of a sudden, nor do I suddenly crave the DICK.
I'm still not attracted to men, least of all jerks.
Gender-identity and sexuality are different things after all.
Your example of an effeminate man doesn't really help your argument here either, there's lots of effeminate men and there's lots of manly women who are perfectly fine with who they are, they don't feel like they were born in the wrong body.
Gender is not binary, it's a spectrum. And all kinds of influences help shape that, be they biological, environmental or cultural.
That's why trying to paint each side with a broad brush will get you in trouble.
You probably wouldn't be happy if someone said all men are pigs.
Just like a woman wouldn't be happy if you tell her that she's making bad decisions because she is a woman, she's just hard-wired that way. At that point you're not treating them as human beings, capable of making their own decisions, but emotional beings, driven by their hormones, unable to make informed decisions.
It's demeaning and offensive.
I'm told that a relationship should not be treated as an anti-depressant, but more as a means of companionship, to keep each other company. To look out to the distance together, and comfortably share silence, knowing you're right at home with the love of your life. If you find someone who can provide that companionship, you'll know. <3
ha ha holy shit
I'm impressed that this is controversy. it's pretty fucking common sense. also laughs had looking at all the wild unrelated strawmen rebuttals.10/10 would read again.
it's like in the movies watching a character do something you know they are immediately going to regret and you're like squirming in the seat like OH FUCK HERE WE G-GO .that's what it's like reading THOSE comments on this trainwreck and a half
I'm impressed that this is controversy. it's pretty fucking common sense. also laughs had looking at all the wild unrelated strawmen rebuttals.10/10 would read again.
it's like in the movies watching a character do something you know they are immediately going to regret and you're like squirming in the seat like OH FUCK HERE WE G-GO .that's what it's like reading THOSE comments on this trainwreck and a half
Clarifying in the desc might have stopped some of it, but when I've seen discussions that clearly, up-front explained the "Nice Guys" phenomenon, often there was just as much raging. It just took the form of arguing semantics over the explanation, or denying that "Nice Guys" exist, or blaming women for them, or claiming that their motivations are noble or some bullfuck.
Actually, wait. I did do a comic about how upset I got when my stepsister said I was smart to want to date women because men are (insert whatever negative thing she said at the time here) - and I STILL got comments asking why I DID hate men.
So I'm damned if I do damned if I don't.
So I'm damned if I do damned if I don't.
My ex-roommate was a "nice guy". He would always whine to people, especially any woman, about his bad luck with women, how they always cheated on him and wha wha wha. This is the same guy who, a few months ago, was the reason one of or other roommates left, after "hitting on" said roommate by letting her know that whenever he thought about her he got a boner. This woman was already going through a bad divorce and "nice guy" knew this. He still didn't see the issue, and simply called it "putting on the moves".
:| Creeps be creepin'
:| Creeps be creepin'
I think what bothers me most about something like this is how almost every single person that sees it just HAS TO add their own two cents, myself included.
"LOL XD THOSE JERKS, NICE GUYS FINISH LAST LOLOLOLOL"
"Good thing I don't practice relationships!"
"WHAT ABOUT A MAN? HURR"
and, like myself, "Wow look at this mess".
I don't understand how we still live in a world that makes a fuss about something so simple, one way or another. The fact that it's gotten 10-20 times as many comments and racked up similar pageviews to older work in two days speaks volumes to me about some people's mindset.
"LOL XD THOSE JERKS, NICE GUYS FINISH LAST LOLOLOLOL"
"Good thing I don't practice relationships!"
"WHAT ABOUT A MAN? HURR"
and, like myself, "Wow look at this mess".
I don't understand how we still live in a world that makes a fuss about something so simple, one way or another. The fact that it's gotten 10-20 times as many comments and racked up similar pageviews to older work in two days speaks volumes to me about some people's mindset.
Okay then. Good luck with your HUGE MISTAKE of an abusive, volatile significant other and more than likely waste of seed children. 'Cause that's what you're a-gonna get with that attitude, toots. If the blatant evidence of history repeating itself has proven anything it's that us nice guys still make better boyfriends/friends/lovers/husbands than the "sexy" douchebags you ladies are so attracted to.
tl:dr
There are "nice-guys" who are betas and there there are the "I'm entitled" omegas, and women never learn the difference. Go back to your corner, Technie.
tl:dr
There are "nice-guys" who are betas and there there are the "I'm entitled" omegas, and women never learn the difference. Go back to your corner, Technie.
Is this a joke post or are you actually the walking, talking "Nice Guy" stereotype?
"Yeah, have fun with that abusive boyfriend, you deserve it after all, for choosing him over a "Nice Guy" like me!!!"
Wishing someone experiences an abusive relationship, why that doesn't seem nice to me at all.
You don't seem like a very nice guy to me, you're a bitter "Nice Guy" and judging by your post, women would do best to avoid you like the plague.
Also, using the words beta and omega like they are actual things that exist, LOL!
"Yeah, have fun with that abusive boyfriend, you deserve it after all, for choosing him over a "Nice Guy" like me!!!"
Wishing someone experiences an abusive relationship, why that doesn't seem nice to me at all.
You don't seem like a very nice guy to me, you're a bitter "Nice Guy" and judging by your post, women would do best to avoid you like the plague.
Also, using the words beta and omega like they are actual things that exist, LOL!
Either that or a sock account for this 
danieltiger guy when he wants to say something trolly and not have to deal with the consequences. "Brother" indeed.
danieltiger guy when he wants to say something trolly and not have to deal with the consequences. "Brother" indeed. 
WHOA_there! My brother does NOT represent me. Besides, I'm waiting 'til I'm thirty to worry about getting a lover. Worked fine for my dad, he and mom have been married for over thirty-five years. And I'm not a nice guy. I have Asperger's Disorder and I say rude stuff that nobody EVER likes, regardless of gender.
I'm a highly-functioning autistic, not a judge.
By the way, I'M Daniel, HE's Curtis. I'm a 5' 9" chubby manlet and he's 6' 2" of skinny, ticking time-bomb.
Pretty hard to mix us up.
I'm a highly-functioning autistic, not a judge.
By the way, I'M Daniel, HE's Curtis. I'm a 5' 9" chubby manlet and he's 6' 2" of skinny, ticking time-bomb.
Pretty hard to mix us up.
Asperger's Disorder is no longer a real thing. It's been dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It's now just autism.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162.....iation-manual/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162.....iation-manual/
Semi-trolling, semi-butt-hurting. I don't know. He IS laughing maniacally about the thing Miss Pie said about me, though.
I think it was mentioning a "sock" that set him off... He needs to get his head out of the gutter.
So...thanks, T-Pie...now I shall be known to my brother hence-forth as...."Mr. Sock."
I think it was mentioning a "sock" that set him off... He needs to get his head out of the gutter.
So...thanks, T-Pie...now I shall be known to my brother hence-forth as...."Mr. Sock."
This has a lot of comments. Holy crap D: The picture and description are just vague enough for to believe whatever. Anyone that think they're entitled to owning another person is pretty damn scuzzy though. And it's not just guys who do that. Nice people don't give a shit what you can give/do for them. And really that's what being nice is all about. Not caring. :V
"Nice" is a positive term. How cynical does a society need to be for the default assumption to be that "Nice Guy" means "manipulative bastard"? I think it's a very sad sign of how paranoid and hostile mainstream society is getting. The more the term gets used like this, even if it comes with an explanation, the more the term 'nice guy' will get a negative meaning. And do we really want a society where men go out of their way to not be nice, to prevent women from getting paranoid?
I understand you didn't refer to *genuinely* nice guys in your post, but that *is* how it's interpreted; short, generalizing statements can very easilly be misinterpreted, especially if it's an emotional issue... If I got a dime every time I got misinterpreted and people got pissed at me... I'd be able to live off of that.
I understand you didn't refer to *genuinely* nice guys in your post, but that *is* how it's interpreted; short, generalizing statements can very easilly be misinterpreted, especially if it's an emotional issue... If I got a dime every time I got misinterpreted and people got pissed at me... I'd be able to live off of that.
This makes me wonder why you are blanket-painting all nice guys that way.
Feeling entitled to a woman is not the issue. The issue is women who claim they want nice guys but reject them at every turn and pursue jerks on purpose, only to turn to their friendzoned nice guys and complain about all men being selfish monsters. Women are allowed to say no, it's just rude to lie to the face of another human being. If they don't want nice guys, they shouldn't lie and say they do. Nor should they complain about all men for their own bad decisions.
Feeling entitled to a woman is not the issue. The issue is women who claim they want nice guys but reject them at every turn and pursue jerks on purpose, only to turn to their friendzoned nice guys and complain about all men being selfish monsters. Women are allowed to say no, it's just rude to lie to the face of another human being. If they don't want nice guys, they shouldn't lie and say they do. Nor should they complain about all men for their own bad decisions.
"Nice Guys" is in quotations because it's different from guys who are nice and was a term adopted by the people who do this. I am not blanket painting anyone if I specify that I define "Nice Guys" as someone who specifically chases a person and upon not getting them for whatever reason decides that it must be because all women want abusive jerks. That is a very specific set of people and if someone doesn't do that, then they don't fall under the "Nice Guy" definition.
That's a good definition I can accept. I think I see where the shitstorm started, though. Re-read your description on the image. You never specified that was your definition. Unless people read all of the comments and gleaned that from your responses, they likely just read the description. The language you used also came across as two-dimensional and hateful. This is my first encounter with you (apart from *paw*) so I do not know any of your mannerisms or quirks. Glancing through the comments, it seems that's how it is for a lot of people who saw the image spread through fave lists. For what its worth (not much since I don't do things on this site), I won't hold this against you and I urge others to do the same. That said, next time you might want to be more specific just to avoid the storm. Even if this was made out of a moment of strong emotions or anger (done a few of those myself).
Not convicted but suspected. He also recently lost his job due to his boss finding his postings. He also runs most of the abuse pages (Abuse of women, abuse of niggers, and a few others), so yeah, nice guy. The whole 'everything is free speech' poisons Reddit from the bottom up, because the admins will defend any of these pages as free speech, just like they did /jailbait.
Oh and let's not forget, like all neckbeardy neckbeards, they use victim blaming to the full effect. Bitch got raped? Shouldn't have worn a short dress! Everything about Reddit is poison.
Oh and let's not forget, like all neckbeardy neckbeards, they use victim blaming to the full effect. Bitch got raped? Shouldn't have worn a short dress! Everything about Reddit is poison.
I can understand the frustration of someone being all nice, only to reject them and they reveal a whole 'nother monster. I've experienced it twice in my life, luckily enough I suppose; I'm not that desirable of a person lol.
First time was actually from a former supervisor, and he was gay (and I wasn't interested in men at the time). He complimented me damn near every time I saw him, I wouldn't say he went out of his way to be nice but after a while I kind of picked it up that he was interested in me. One night while I was working he came over as he was making his rounds and we got into a conversation, and he dropped a line that I felt like he was testing the waters and I politely rejected him. From that night forward it was always something wrong, he'd bitch about anything he could; I'd show up 15 mins before my shift without my uniform shirt on and he'd complain saying I should be in full uniform when I'm on property, regardless if I'm not on duty yet. Just a complete asshole!
The second time was with a neighbor, I bought a Chevelle off of her boyfriend's mother about 6 years ago and since I knew who she was, when she would walk the roads I'd give her a lift. Almost every time I picked her up she was having problems with her boyfriend (the both of them are white trash drug addicts) and she'd bitch and moan about him. I was going to the market and she was walking the roads and happened to be going to the same place I was so I offered her a ride there and back. On the drive over she asked me out and I said no, she gave me the cold shoulder the rest of the trip.
Well, I suppose the second story doesn't exactly fit the topic.
First time was actually from a former supervisor, and he was gay (and I wasn't interested in men at the time). He complimented me damn near every time I saw him, I wouldn't say he went out of his way to be nice but after a while I kind of picked it up that he was interested in me. One night while I was working he came over as he was making his rounds and we got into a conversation, and he dropped a line that I felt like he was testing the waters and I politely rejected him. From that night forward it was always something wrong, he'd bitch about anything he could; I'd show up 15 mins before my shift without my uniform shirt on and he'd complain saying I should be in full uniform when I'm on property, regardless if I'm not on duty yet. Just a complete asshole!
The second time was with a neighbor, I bought a Chevelle off of her boyfriend's mother about 6 years ago and since I knew who she was, when she would walk the roads I'd give her a lift. Almost every time I picked her up she was having problems with her boyfriend (the both of them are white trash drug addicts) and she'd bitch and moan about him. I was going to the market and she was walking the roads and happened to be going to the same place I was so I offered her a ride there and back. On the drive over she asked me out and I said no, she gave me the cold shoulder the rest of the trip.
Well, I suppose the second story doesn't exactly fit the topic.
No one really wants to be friendzoned, men or women. I think there is a fact that's being ignored here is that when a person is rejected those "intimate" feelings don't magically go away, and since those feelings still exist and the soul crushing feelings of rejection looming overhead; it can make a "normal" friendship difficult and awkward.
You make a valid point. But that really causes a social barrier, less social interaction means less behavior correction and lead to creepy longevity. Which will cause more creepy people to seek out creepy peer association and form creepy communities. Such influences will slowly seep into major society until it becomes a common cultural thing. Case in point, computer nerds.
It is our own faults really, we are creating an environment in which said creepiness can thrive because it is not being weeded out. In a few generations what we consider creepy now might well become the standard and we have only ourselves to blame.
It is our own faults really, we are creating an environment in which said creepiness can thrive because it is not being weeded out. In a few generations what we consider creepy now might well become the standard and we have only ourselves to blame.
All the drama around this makes me feel happy to be single. There is nothing helpful with engaging in 'the game' when all the guys around you say 'bro just get a gurl' like you can buy one at a wal mart. Really, it helps to recognize that a lot of "nice guys" are motivated by peer pressure and a desire to fit in with "the guys" or at least feel like they are "a man." Now, I'd advise people who think like that to read Children of Sanchez and come back and tell me how this sort of wolf pack mentality is anything but destructive and unhelpful. In the meantime, I'm going to bask in the freedom and lack of stressfulness of singlehood while most of the other "cute couples" and "lucky guys" or even successful "nice guys," fall apart in whirlwinds of paralytic drunkenness, abortion, abandonment, cheating, and statutory rape charges. Yes, I know people who've fallen into that sort of stuff, and I can't feel sorry for them anymore. Its far, far uglier than in the movies.
this... has 788 comments and only NOW am i hearing of this?! lol
well sadly i guess i never will get a woman, i'm too caring to love, i always become their best friend because i actually CARE for them rather than most couples nowadays where it's all about sex... *sigh* but as long as they're happy i'm happy because at this point that's my only purpose in life, make people smile and laugh, help them enjoy life even at my own expense.
but i'v said enough and don't even know the artist... or any of you here lol
well sadly i guess i never will get a woman, i'm too caring to love, i always become their best friend because i actually CARE for them rather than most couples nowadays where it's all about sex... *sigh* but as long as they're happy i'm happy because at this point that's my only purpose in life, make people smile and laugh, help them enjoy life even at my own expense.
but i'v said enough and don't even know the artist... or any of you here lol
According to some twisted definition that's been slapped onto it that I've never heard of in my entire life, it's someone who complains about not getting along with people because they're "too nice."
If someone has their hospitality and generosity, their "niceness" if you will, abused by people who don't actually care at all about said person, I'd very much expect and understand if they felt compelled to complain about it. But that's just me!
If someone has their hospitality and generosity, their "niceness" if you will, abused by people who don't actually care at all about said person, I'd very much expect and understand if they felt compelled to complain about it. But that's just me!
That is not what a "Nice Guy" is.
A "Nice Guy" is not a nice person. They're a passive aggressive jerk who expects a woman should be in a relationship with him/have sex with him just because he's nice. Instead of women having a right to decline those things with someone as much as any other human being if she's not attracted to the person. The "Nice Guy" is the guy who decides "All women want jerks" as the only possible reason he's not been chosen.
A "Nice Guy" is not a nice person. They're a passive aggressive jerk who expects a woman should be in a relationship with him/have sex with him just because he's nice. Instead of women having a right to decline those things with someone as much as any other human being if she's not attracted to the person. The "Nice Guy" is the guy who decides "All women want jerks" as the only possible reason he's not been chosen.
It's because of those jerks that genuine nice guys have a harder time trying to be with the one person they truely loved. However I feel like that it's thanks to those guys that genuine nice guys now has to man up if they want to get the girl of their dreams, which is kind of ironic now that I think about it.
I can't believe I read all 797 (Actually 796) comments on this page, but I think what you wrote in the description is almost clear but like you've been saying before it will only make sense who know the term of "Nice Guys" beforehand. I think there's something most of you guys haven't cover in the nearly 800 comments that I've read and now I will show what I had learned about fake "Nice Guys" before reading all of these comments:
For the sake of convience I'll refer guys in general as "you"
-You are considered a "Nice Guy" if you get angry if "the girl of your dreams" rejects you and you don't accept her choice.
-When she says "NO" this is not the opportunity nor your "cue" to pull off all kinds of romantic shenanigains from every romance movie/story you've read, listened, or watch. That also applies to figuring out why she rejected you unless you want to risk breaking whatever bond (if any) you have left with her.
-Another thing about "Nice Guys" is that your downer, self-pitying attitude makes it hard for anyone to see if you're truely feel that way about yourself or a "Nice Guy" using these traits to their advantage to hook up with girl or simply a guy who ONLY wants friends. Basically it's normally a turn off.
-There's a different between playful affection and jokes, learn the difference.
-Basically when she rejects your declaration of love to be your girlfriend, it's okay to cry and be sad or be mad, but that is no excuse to take out your frustration on her and make her life miserable. That is the Penultimate of the "Nice Guy," this is (what I believe) THE FIRST REAL REASON why girls have to be wary of "Nice Guys." They go around turning the girl's friends and/or families, and getting his own friends to be on "his side" after his rejection by complaining about the "heartbreaking moment" to them like a spoiled sad child (more like crocodile tears, which could be very bad for genuine tears so you may want to only tell that to a good friend or family member who won't take sides if you're truely that sensitive). Then the girl will be pestered by the guy's "Allies" about why she didn't go out with them since he's "such a Nice Guy" until the girl breaks or the guy's ruse has been found out. This actually happened to the person who wrote about her reason for hating "Nice Guys" which could still be summed up in the page's image, you're not entitled to have a girlfriend just because you're nice to her.
-I know genuine nice guys tries to find girls who are friends so they can be with them forever, but that's not the way it always works. It especially won't work if you used your "friendship" to guilt her to being with you, all you've really proven by saying that is that you're only friends with her just so you can date her and that makes you a "Nice Guy." Unless you honestly value your friendship with her more than being in an relationship, then you maybe you won't lose that friend forever [b]if[/'b] she says you can still be friends after your declaration, but you have to accept the fact that you'll never be her lover and move on. That means no more advances.
-And another thing make sure you do this "HEY! I'MINLOVEWITHANOTHERGIRLTHAT'SNOTYOUWHATSHOULDIDO?" less often.
What I learned from the comments:
-You can't call yourself a nice guy without some people considering you're a "Nice Guy."
-Not everyone knows the term.
-You can look and act creepy even if you are in the standard body type.
-Until you're straight-forward and ask her out, romantic gestures are no-no until you find out and she tells you she's okay with "jokes" like this.
I can't believe I read all 797 (Actually 796) comments on this page, but I think what you wrote in the description is almost clear but like you've been saying before it will only make sense who know the term of "Nice Guys" beforehand. I think there's something most of you guys haven't cover in the nearly 800 comments that I've read and now I will show what I had learned about fake "Nice Guys" before reading all of these comments:
For the sake of convience I'll refer guys in general as "you"
-You are considered a "Nice Guy" if you get angry if "the girl of your dreams" rejects you and you don't accept her choice.
-When she says "NO" this is not the opportunity nor your "cue" to pull off all kinds of romantic shenanigains from every romance movie/story you've read, listened, or watch. That also applies to figuring out why she rejected you unless you want to risk breaking whatever bond (if any) you have left with her.
-Another thing about "Nice Guys" is that your downer, self-pitying attitude makes it hard for anyone to see if you're truely feel that way about yourself or a "Nice Guy" using these traits to their advantage to hook up with girl or simply a guy who ONLY wants friends. Basically it's normally a turn off.
-There's a different between playful affection and jokes, learn the difference.
-Basically when she rejects your declaration of love to be your girlfriend, it's okay to cry and be sad or be mad, but that is no excuse to take out your frustration on her and make her life miserable. That is the Penultimate of the "Nice Guy," this is (what I believe) THE FIRST REAL REASON why girls have to be wary of "Nice Guys." They go around turning the girl's friends and/or families, and getting his own friends to be on "his side" after his rejection by complaining about the "heartbreaking moment" to them like a spoiled sad child (more like crocodile tears, which could be very bad for genuine tears so you may want to only tell that to a good friend or family member who won't take sides if you're truely that sensitive). Then the girl will be pestered by the guy's "Allies" about why she didn't go out with them since he's "such a Nice Guy" until the girl breaks or the guy's ruse has been found out. This actually happened to the person who wrote about her reason for hating "Nice Guys" which could still be summed up in the page's image, you're not entitled to have a girlfriend just because you're nice to her.
-I know genuine nice guys tries to find girls who are friends so they can be with them forever, but that's not the way it always works. It especially won't work if you used your "friendship" to guilt her to being with you, all you've really proven by saying that is that you're only friends with her just so you can date her and that makes you a "Nice Guy." Unless you honestly value your friendship with her more than being in an relationship, then you maybe you won't lose that friend forever [b]if[/'b] she says you can still be friends after your declaration, but you have to accept the fact that you'll never be her lover and move on. That means no more advances.
-And another thing make sure you do this "HEY! I'MINLOVEWITHANOTHERGIRLTHAT'SNOTYOUWHATSHOULDIDO?" less often.
What I learned from the comments:
-You can't call yourself a nice guy without some people considering you're a "Nice Guy."
-Not everyone knows the term.
-You can look and act creepy even if you are in the standard body type.
-Until you're straight-forward and ask her out, romantic gestures are no-no until you find out and she tells you she's okay with "jokes" like this.
My theory, the 2 reasons 'nice guys exist'
1. They are actually nice at heart and don't give a fuck if they find someone or not.
2. They see assholes/'bad boys' as a stupid short-term answer for finding a partner and assume just being whatever they think a woman wants will get them there- 90% of what they think a woman wants is a sensitive man-baby who will drool at their feet and kiss their ass.
It's obviously catagory #2s own fault for thinking all women are just things that there is a sure-fire strategy to get any of them- and while anyone and everyone is entitled to coming and going from a relationship as they please I feel it is when they 'hook one' if you will and she slips away for ANY reason the guy falls apart and blames the world instead of themselves for their stupid mindset.
So BASICALLY guy #2 is ACTUALLY a dick just waiting to have his nice-mask shattered by the first girl to dump him for her own reasons.
Not gonna lie though, despite all that stereotyping and stupid thought process at 'getting a girl' - I STILL don't get is why that doesn't really work. xD
Well I get the Man-baby part as the main flaw but I mean REALLY, as long as he's can actually be a supporting partner and not a leech what girl wouldn't want that? I mean at least as a back-up plan from whatever type of personality/type she's normally drawn to.
1. They are actually nice at heart and don't give a fuck if they find someone or not.
2. They see assholes/'bad boys' as a stupid short-term answer for finding a partner and assume just being whatever they think a woman wants will get them there- 90% of what they think a woman wants is a sensitive man-baby who will drool at their feet and kiss their ass.
It's obviously catagory #2s own fault for thinking all women are just things that there is a sure-fire strategy to get any of them- and while anyone and everyone is entitled to coming and going from a relationship as they please I feel it is when they 'hook one' if you will and she slips away for ANY reason the guy falls apart and blames the world instead of themselves for their stupid mindset.
So BASICALLY guy #2 is ACTUALLY a dick just waiting to have his nice-mask shattered by the first girl to dump him for her own reasons.
Not gonna lie though, despite all that stereotyping and stupid thought process at 'getting a girl' - I STILL don't get is why that doesn't really work. xD
Well I get the Man-baby part as the main flaw but I mean REALLY, as long as he's can actually be a supporting partner and not a leech what girl wouldn't want that? I mean at least as a back-up plan from whatever type of personality/type she's normally drawn to.
You know what? The more I think about this, I miss the days when socially inept guys shied away from women instead of being goaded by geek wish-fulfillment fantasy stories into thinking they could Be The Hero and Get The Girl without putting any real effort into it. I mean, even fucking Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, the dude had to fight nine people to the death, but even before that he was with two different wom... well, one woman and a minor, actually, both of whom just pretty much fell into his lap.
I feel like I've definitely done some "nice guy" things in the recent past towards a girl I've been hanging out with lately. Although she did develop an attraction to me at one point. Her main concern is that she feels I need to mature a bit more before she can try dating me again. Right now though she's not seeking a relationship with anyone at this point. I've talked to her roommate and a close friend of hers and both have told me that I need to be very patient with her, as well as spending a lot of time as a friend. What I wonder though is if it's possible to change things around if I ditch the nice guy act now and actually work on my confidence, self-esteem, and charisma around her?
Is it bad that, despite being a cisgender guy myself, I don't really understand this entitlement that a lot of self-proclaimed "nice guys" seem to have? As in "But I was nice to her! I didn't rape her when she was drunk that one time! She owes me a pity-fuck!" seems to make no sense at all to me?
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