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Wow, this one is the best one! The paws are more tiger-like here, yet I can still see the hint of your own style... And here, I actually see that as a good thing! This one's really rocking out that fantastical pose!

Keep em' coming! Especially that dream giraffe.

Thanks so much! I really think this is the best one too! ^^ I can't wait to do more!

Looks really cool.

Thanks!

Beautiful and powerful! ^^

Thanks! ^^

You're most welcome!

Beautiful piece indeed!
So exotic, and very powerful. Beautiful detail and shading!
I hope you don't mind, but may I critique you a bit? Helpful critique, of course. :)
The first thing I noticed was that this tiger has dew claws on its back feet, too. Normally, a cat has five claws (Including the dew claw) on their front feet, and four on their back feet. The back feet do not have a dew claw, for it is normally not needed. Dew claws, in the wild, are normally for the purpose of snagging prey's skin as the cat is trying to bring it down.
The feet themselves look excellent. No anatomy flaws on the feet themselves. :)
Depending on the breed of tiger, there would be more fluff on the cheeks. Asian tigers are usually sleek-coated, while Siberian tigers are more fluffy and insulated.
On the mouth, the saliva gland is too small. On tigers, like this one: http://image.yaymicro.com/rz_512x51.....ait-47a3f6.jpg the gland is much larger. Much larger than in wolves or domestic cats.

In all, I absolutely love this piece. :)

Thanks a lot! ^^. Glad you like! And helpful critique is always welcome. :)

Okay, five then four, gotcha - I'll definitely keep that in mind. Also, thanks so much for explaining the dew claws - that's awesome and a super help! I'll have to practice paws... I'm going to try and detail the paw part more than the joints/knuckles in there and see how it looks.

Ah yes, cheek fluff! I've been drawing all my tigers a little lacking in the cheek fluff area, haha. Though I did make sure to add extra neck fluff! Mainly from your critique on the wolf. Thanks for the pic too - I notice that the curve of that tiger's lower jaw is much more pronounced than on my pieces. Then some other tigers the jaw curve isn't as pronounced as is more straight (not really, but you know what I mean) before the fur. I'm guessing that's just a perspective thing/how he's sitting because it looks like his fur is very fanned out too and looks more square to the viewer than rounded out. This is what I'm seeing: http://www.wallpaperslibrary.com/Wa.....lpaper-153.jpg
I'm thinking a tiger with really fluffy, fanned out cheeks is next in order. XD

Also, would you say that the limbs are connected well to the body? Are the joints (mainly in the hind legs) showing enough? I'm trying to find the balance between fluff and how much muscle detail I should show beneath the skin. I went for the more 'minimalist' style in terms of muscle detailing, and while I think it's the best so far, I was told in another comment (a day or so ago on DA) that there's no knee or ankle? :/. Kind of confused on that one.

But yeah. ^^. Thanks so much again!

What I said was that you don't show any knowledge of knowing what's going on underneath the skin of the tiger, so there is no defined knee or ankle. The leg just bends at a random point of length where you think it looks right, without taking the bones into consideration. It's especially obvious that you don't know the skeleton very well when you place one dew claw above the wrist. Dew claws are like thumbs and should be attached to the wrist, reaching further down than it.
And if you're confused with what I mean, don't just go and search for a person who can tell you there's nothing wrong with your anatomy. Ask me what I mean so I can make it more clear instead. People who tell you you're right are nice and all, but you won't ever learn if those are the only ones you talk to.

Cats are extremely flexible animals. There spines are not like dog spines or human spines. When a cat is falling, it can twist it's entire spine around to land on its feet.

The pose being used is very possible for a cat to achieve.
And, excuse me, but what you are giving is not helpful. The dew claw on a cat is just above the largest pad, for it is used for snagging prey or giving support while running. You obviously know nothing about cats, so please stop criticizing other's work. :)

And, if you are talking about me when you told the artist not to go to people who will tell them their art is pretty and perfect, you are incorrect. I have not said once that the drawing is perfect. I am helping the artist with anatomy, in which you know nothing about. :) So, please stop leading this artist in the wrong direction. :)

Thanks! :)

Well, aren't you condescending.

Look at this: http://i47.tinypic.com/2hntjbp.png The tiger's skeleton does not agree with you. The dewclaw is like our thumb, bone-wise. In TS's drawing, it is attached above the wrist--in fact, you can see hints of it being attached to either the radius or the ulna--it would essentially be as if your thumb was to be found halfway down your arm.

Oh, I see.

I'm sorry, I was incorrect. Made a mistake.

Yes, you did, and you better own up and apologise. You run with "oh, you know nothing of anatomy, go away :)" to someone who does know a fair bit more than you, and then your superior knowledge proves to be wrong. Stop being so condescending.

Do you know why Napalm and I are here? Because, believe it or not, we too want to help Saint. I like a lot of her ideas, I like her dynamic poses, but she has some issues with her anatomy and has asked for crits and we are willing to help her. Yes, sometimes you have to be blunt, but blunt does not mean hateful. Honestly, nothing would delight me more than seeing her move forward. But it does put a damper on things when people like you sit on your high and mighty horse and spit bile on the rest of us.

Okay, I am sorry. Happy? I'm not going to argue anymore, because I see my faults.

I never said anything about the spine, so where you're getting that from is a mystery to me. I even told her this pose could be possible to achieve with decent anatomy over at DA.

The dew claw is indeed above the pad, but it's still below the wrist. Look at the drawing. Is the dew claw in a position where it would be possible to use it for snagging anything? Hardly. It's attached far up on the arm, where it doesn't belong. And please don't tell people they know nothing about something. It's impossible to keep a serious discussion once someone starts throwing remarks like that.

Now, you might have said something helpful, but my point here is that she looked for someone who could back her up because she thought I was wrong in my original comment: http://comments.deviantart.com/14/3.....585/2867255676 Instead of actually asking me to clarify, she asked you. This doesn't help anyone.

And for me being used to drawing people: I believe I have a decent knowledge of what both people and basic animals look like under the skin. It is important to know if you want to show a good looking tiger or anything for that matter, but putting some emphasis on the knee doesn't mean that you have to make a bold line to show it. No, it should be enough to use a simple shade to show you know what you're doing. Once you know it better it's easy to see where you need more shading or a different smoothing of a curve to create your desired effect. So no, showing that you know where the knee really is does not make it too human-like if you do it properly.

I didn't know you were the one who made the comment on DA. I assumed it was somebody else, which is why I said they were probably used to drawing people.

And, there is shading on the knee. I was just saying that if she made the cap too visible, it would look more anthro.

Thanks.

You're missing my point. Yes, there is shading on the knee. There is shading on the whole tiger for that matter, but is it shading that is placed according to the bones and muscles underneath? No. That's what I and my friend have been trying to help her with for some time now, and she used it, say, once, and moved back to her reference-less long legged style. Then she asked for more critique without actually using what she had gotten. That's why we want her to actually understand what we tried to teach her.

On cats, the muscle mass in the legs is more pronounced in the front legs. But it all depends on the angle. If you are drawing a jumping tiger, the muscles in the hind legs would show more then the front, and the joints, such as the haunches, would show very much.

Though, in your majestic 'dreamy' poses, the muscles would be more relaxed, and less likely to show.
As for if the legs look connected to the body, the shoulder on the front leg is very helpful there, for cats naturally have very strong shoulders. It does indeed look very connected to the body.
The other front leg looks slightly disconnected, because of the lack of an elbow showing there.
The back legs look wonderful, though. There is no way I could tell you they look disconnected from the body.

There are knees, and if you added the actual cap, it would look much too human-like. Whoever told you the joints are not showing enough is obviously used to drawing people. In cats, the haunch is the only joint that is noticeable unless you are actual trying to pinpoint the joints. On canines, the joints are very visible, such as this dog: http://dims.vetstreet.com/dims3/MMA.....45mk062411.jpg You can see the elbow, the haunch, the tendon in the leg leading the the ankle, tendons if the face, ect. On large cats you can usually only see the haunch, like this cat: http://www.solarnavigator.net/anima.....ris_Bengal.jpg You can see the haunch, but when you try to find the tendons or ankles, you cannot because of the muscle and fur. So, in all, your drawing is very correct in muscle mass and joints.

I hope I helped. :)

Pretty tiger!

Thanks!

Thats really cool =)

Thanks! :)