I agree, it's sad.

well.....

well drawn anatomy is pretty important

Chibis have their own anatomy, y'know.

Then again, there /is/ anatomy involved in sizes. Back to the point when that matters, a bad drawn chibi (or everything out of it's own proportions) is not going to look good.

It's a rule of cartooning that you need to know and study non-deformed anatomy before you can simplify it into a style, whether it's a chibi, a cartoon or whatever. :) Anatomy is still very important knowledge to have because it deals with proportions and placement as well as form and shape.

This. You have to know the rules of art before you can break them.

"Anatomy" is more than "is it correct to a human body." It's more that the creature looks like a legitimate living being rather than just a mass.

This.

sadly alot of people are single minded that way. Granted at times i can be like that but i do like clean art as well ^^, me its about the emotion you feel in the art.

Sadly true. I try to stay clean, but it's hard to get known that way...

This is why I get better views on DA :/

*page views

Sad but true.

I agree.

This, sadly enough, is true. The one picture that got the most attention (save for a Pokémon-piece) in my gallery was a pun-doodle of a "blue legged booby".
I was both amused and disappointed when I noticed that. :C

Well, honestly, if those are oneself tastes...

I mean. I like good artworks. But that's really subjective to what everyone likes.

Not sure what's wrong with looking at stuff you prefer, rather than things you don't like?

This /:

This. Good anatomy + themes you like means you're going to look at it.

I'm thinking that O-kemono is making a general statement that clean art doesn't get the attention that adult art does-- which is true if my gallery stats are any indication.

It's not true if my stats are an indication, if my stats are an indication silly comics are more popular than porn. *shrug* :/

If both your stats hold true silly comics w/ pornish themes would get more views than either individually would

We'll make millions!

I follow people all the time just because I like the style they draw in and the detail to their work, whether or not it's sexual, or even goes into fetishes I don't enjoy.

I admit I even got to pages like FA only cause I were looking for certain pictures at first. But then I found out more people I enjoy watching art in general, like yours. You not had so many clearly erotical conmtent, still I like your art.

It's painful knowing how incredibly true this is.

It IS true, but I think you could take the 2nd, 3rd and 4th points and have them apply to any art community site. People will always gravitate towards a) what's popular with other people, and b) things that look like other things they liked before.

...admittedly FA is a bit porn-centric, but that's why we have DeviantArt for our family friendly works :)

I can see this is very true, and admit that even I unfortunately do this sometimes. The only thing I unfortunately can say to this is: I guess people really like their porn.

. . . yeah, I don't have anything more fruitful than that. Sorry. =w=;

Hm.. I admit that perviness catches my attention quicker, because I have those hormonal moods that just makes me search for some things, but should I see a good looking thumbnail on front page or in someone's favorites by coincidence (Or see a good looking ad), then I check that artist out and possibly watch them. At least, that's how I go by things

Yea, stingyness is a issue, although its the same in my opinion as many other things. People have their likes and their dislikes, and will flock to the likes...and really...a certain theme becoming popular brings the bandwagoners.

Eh, it's true that you can easily get more attention for porn, but if getting attention is the only reason you make art, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. You should be doing it for the art itself, because you want to improve and share your stuff.
Besides you can skip the "well-drawn" and "realistic" - if only those were actually in higher demand on this website things would be better!

I just look at what i like not necessarily porn.

just a matter of tastes ^^

Sad yet true rules. I'm at fault for two of those, surprisingly not the first one though, as I adore clean stuff <3 I just don't make it obvious enough!

I think it general rule of life more then a furry rule

I think it greatly depends on what you post and who you're drawing in to your gallery. Unfortunately, a great deal of people are only on FA at all for porn, so as soon as you start posting it, your watchers will become comprised of people who only or mostly like porn. I notice every time I submit something adult, I get tons more watchers than if I post something monstery or otherwise actually creative. Even though way under half my gallery is actually porny, the majority of my watchers are still likely only watching me for porn.

I personally have a very wide array of art in my favorites, but I do tend to notice that almost everybody else has far more specific types of art in their faves. I will love just about anything if it's well-done or makes me feel just about any kind of emotion.

this is so true
also happens to me

Alas, sad but true.

Yeah, sucks that it's true but then so's a lot of things. Personally I watch several artists that don't tickle my fancy as far as content but the style intrigues me.

The return question, of course, is: if your artwork does not contain something that a person is coming to see, why should they care for it? Asking them to care is like asking someone trying to rent out read Harry Potter at the library to take Goethe's Complete Works instead, in original German script. A book that one person might find to be of great value to them can be completely uninteresting to the next guy. And artwork is exactly the same. There's absolutely no reason why you should expect someone looking for gay porn to care for your clean artwork depicting emotionally distraught girls.

Now, I know what you're trying to say here - you feel a general "community pressure" to conform to specific styles of artwork, because those happen to be the most sought after. The mainstream, if you will. A mainstream that is, in addition to being popular, also a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy: if there's a lot of gay porn collected on one website, it will build a core community of gay porn enthusiasts, which will result in more gay porn being put on the website, which will draw more fans, and so on. You're unhappy that a lot of communities automatically gravitate towards adult fetish artwork, leaving your attempts to offer something else sort of homeless, because there is no community as dedicated to those things as there is one for adult artwork.

So why do communities, if left unchecked, turn adult so frequently and quickly? Because it's human nature, that's why. The sexual instinct and drive is one of the strongest we have, and we live in a society that attempts to temper and hide these instincts for various reasons - ranging from the protection of the young and weak, down to simple things like politeness and not being accidentally offensive to someone. The internet is an outlet, especially for young people who are just discovering sexuality and who are hit by this powerful drive like a freight train.

And then, of course, there's porn addiction - the specific way that the internet offers us access to adult material and presents it allows for brain changes to occur if overconsumed, changes that are pretty much identical to substance addiction patterns. Information about how far this goes is just slowly beginning to crop up, but here's a short presentation that outlines a few key elements: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Pretty much this. Why indeed should I look at something that doesn't interest me?

I sure hope you at least looked at the other paragraphs too, even if they didn't interest you very much, because the takeaway from my post is supposed to be so much more than just this.

I did, there just wasn't anything else I felt that I could add.

Interesting commentary! The thing that I'm curious about though is why this central tendency continues when there exists a standing crop of artists and groups (such as Hard Blush) dedicated to that sort of material. This, naturally, wouldn't stop the thirst of the masses for gay porn but wouldn't it at least curb it?

this is true and that saddens me. i mean why does everything and i mean everything have to be sexualized? i have drawn one sexual piece and it wasnt good lol im better with clean and i dont feel comfortable drawing explicit pieces and thats why i have like no views here on FA on DA im actually a little popular :/ idk it just sucks

#FurriesRuinEverything

Both and I agree so much about how sad this particular rule is. JT is a far better artist than I am, and I've watched him from start to finish draw some of the best looking art I've seen. And hardly anyone gives it any mind
Put a peen in there though, or some breasts [albeit a little more rare] and the faves skyrockets.

That's from a Good artist...

Now, I don't mind doing adult drawings, I rather enjoy it because it allows me to work on anatomy. In my opinion my best adult work was my last one, [best for my level of drawing that is.] but because I'm not that good at drawing [and perhaps because it was female...] it got very little attention.
Now, don't get me wrong, while I do upload for others to see, I do not do it for ass-pats. It's just something I've noticed that the rules you've illustrated is so sadly true here and other furry sites.

I'm just glad that that particular rule does not fall on ALL the people here. :)

Well-drawn anatomy is a must no matter what, be it cartoon anatomy, exaggerated anatomy, or realistic anatomy. If you understand anatomy, you can make a character look good. This one isn't so much a 'rule' of furry websites, but a rule of ART.

That said, if you want quick popularity on a furry website, a quick route to being so is to do fetish art. You don't actually have to provide any sort of decent artwork, quick browse through some different fetishes in the 'browse' section will reveal SO MANY mediocre artists who have no intent at actually drawing better having thousands and thousands of views and and attention. Yes, it's pretty sad.

However, I disagree with this piece's message. If someone produces artwork on a regular basis and show a willingness to improve, they WILL get a lot of attention. It might not be as immediate as aforementioned fetishists or general porn artists, but the assumption that furries only care about their realism and their porn simply isn't true.

Sometimes I feel like this is the truth, but I remind myself that I, myself the artist, am the first person to please with my art. If I don't like a picture, what point is there to drawing and posting. If others like/dislike that is their own Prerogative. But it wouldn't hurt to get more pageviews/faves and comments, LOADS MORE COMMENTS!!!

To be honest, mostly just the style is enough for me. Doesn't matter how one's anatomy, realism or subject matter is - if they can pull it off in a way that provokes "Huh. That's pretty cool." then even the most farfetched pictures can be appealing - and not necessarily in the sexual sense.

And also, sometimes making a piece porn or cheesecake for the sake of it can make it a hell of a lot worse. I swear some peeps just look at their work and think "Hmm. This is missing something... OH, a boner." and then just wedge one into the picture somewhere.

Unfortunately very true, although not everyone is like that. I go looking around the general page here on FA in case something catches my eye. And I've hired you to do general art as well as yiff. It may make me look derpy but what i look for depends on my mood sometimes. Plus there's the fact I have ambitions on being a writer.

Well for me, i'm not really looking at the scene / character. i'm looking at the style of the artist, the details ( not really at the anatomy or if its realistic) because a lot of artists has their own way, style to draw / paint. Most of the time i love art that are not my interest, at all.

I think it's certainly true that a lot of people won't look at art if it doesn't follow some or all of the listed criteria. This sort of attitude is prevalent in the society at large, too, not just in the furry fandom. People are fickle and only interested in whatever fits within the narrow scope of their tastes. But I don't think that lesser known artists and/or clean artwork is necessarily ignored solely for these reasons. Part of it is that if Artist A has 10,000 watchers, and Artist B has 500, then no matter how good Artist B might be, she's going to get overlooked in favor of Artist A simply because there aren't as many people to favorite or discuss her work. And since it seems like most people discover new artists by browsing what others have favorited, then Artist A is naturally going to get more attention just because that's how this site works. In other words, while I think that, yes, attitude and the fickle tastes of the fandom play a large role in what or who gets popular, a lot of it just down to blind luck and certain works simply being more visible than others.

Well, if it contains sexual situations, sure, the pieces generally don't interest me unless they contain sexual situations i find interesting... But if they are not of a sexual nature, then the emotional tickliness is decidedly more important... Which, i guess, is why i watch your work :)

awww I see this a lot and nyan!! I luff artists for their arts, not the sex nyan!

concur, and it is very sad.

I love your work for it being deep and emotional though.

Dont change that.

what qualifies as "not worth my time"? should I post a comment on everything I look at so someone knows... i thought that was what the view counter was for. When a critique is not needed and the artist comments lack anything but a copyright or simply "." i don't really feel compelled to comment, but that doesn't mean I didn't fav it or save it to a folder of things I enjoy on my computer.

Of course the fetish stuff gets a lot of attention... it's porn, it's free, and it's usually /Humanly Impossible/... so those who enjoy it will seek it out explicitly... They may not comment out of respect of the artist, since most no one is particularly interested into who masturbates to their art. It gets favorited so the person can come back to enjoy it again without having to save it to a PC that might otherwise be shared, opening the image up to multiple views with no comments left.

the Popular vs. well drawn side of things is probably the only thing that makes me bristle... It's pretty aweful to know some real talent who is probably hard on cash while Mr. I-draw-everything-with-a-Dog-Dick can sell bad sketches for a couple hundred bucks.

very true, only porn by popular aritsts gets you views, I did an experiment and all my porn got atleast 800-900 views a piece... -_- while my clean stuff got 100 being modest.

I just have to see how everything compliments everything else... the bodies, the anatomy, the characters, the coloring style, the inking style, if the expressions go with the situation, ect. There are SOOOOOOOO many different styles of art, and each artist has their own... like yours... omg I have found no one that comes close to the style that you draw, and it is unbelievably wonderful ^^
There are pictures that dont particular pertain to my interests AT ALL... yet I am captivated by them for one aspect or another. There are some very new growing artists that can put out wonderful works regardless of skill level, if everything in the picture compliments everything else well... I will love it ^^
for example... I am not into the whole foot fetish thing, but there are some pictures that I will find that just look good ^^ either they did perspective really well, or they did the shading wonderfully... just different things ^^

I have no idea if I am getting my point across or if I am just rambling on endlessly now lol... but basically, despite the subject matter, or the popularity of the artist, if the piece has something that catches my eye, I will fave it and go back to it from time to time =3

one thing though that does stick with me... if I find the artist to be a shitty person, (either things they portray in thier art that I find relatively offensive to me or others, or they treat their fans like crap, or they are stuck up and think that they are far better than they really are like the whole I am better than you cause blah blah blah, arrogant... selfish type people) their art, no matter how well it is drawn... will become unappealing to me.

Seconded dear Kimmy.

I'm a stickler for anatomy, but the rest isn't important to me. It is pretty sad that its like that.

Well drawn anatomy is one of those that goes without saying I would think. As for the others, does the list represent all have to be true or simply one or more need to be true?

I would have to disagree. Yes, my favourites cover a lot of well drawn, mostly mature pieces, but my watch list covers a rather broad variety of talents who's art style is... inconsistent at worst, and spectacular but samey at best (the "worse" ones impress me more, because their style evolves a great deal. Including some dead ends. The "spectacular" ones post works which could be calendar pieces or in art galleries for auction due to quality, but taken in whole some of them are very much alike from piece to piece). Really it's a matter of what suits my fancy at the time I'm looking at the gallery. Even with an eye for the mature works, some of them can be a bit too much.

Likewise though, my watch list is (I feel) a healthy mix of mature and clean artists. I lean more toward interesting styles and dynamic characters (emotionally and/or physically) than anything else. And I'm always on the look out for new people to watch. Comment listings are usually where I start my hunts, based on the quality of someone's profile picture. Which makes me sad sometimes when someone commissions a better and usually well known artist to draw their profile picture for them. Understandable if their "art" is more about music or poetry and they couldn't draw a circle with a compass. But I see people who post their drawings in their galleries, seemingly taking pride enough to show off their work, and then go and get someone else to draw their face for the rest of the site to see. That seems self defeatist to me. It says (to me) "I'll never be a good artist, so I'll someone else to draw my character's portrait."

You can't please everyone, so don't bother trying. This is something I stand by. As an artist in the furry fandom, you are just one of many. Each individual has their own tastes, likes and dislikes. At some point in time it is inevitable that someone is going to come along and not like your art, for whatever reason. To those people I say "Then go look at someone else's art." It's just that simple. No matter what you do, someone is going to have a problem with it for some reason, so I say let them have a problem with it, it is their problem. If people like your art, then bravo. Cater to those who want more, ignore all the rest.

Personally, the fact that a picture doesn't have "yiffing" in it doesn't mean I won't look at it. I can't garantee I'll like the picture (depends on what the picture is of), but a lack of sexual activity won't condem it to being completely ignored by me. I'll be among the first to admit that I come to FA for sexy furry art, but that's mostly because the majority of art here is sexy. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good, clean furry piece.

You don't usually go to a 5star restaurant just to order a chesseburger, know what I mean?

To add to your last question, no, but the best meal I have ever had was not from a 5-star restaurant (though the chef SHOULD be working in one!) and it wasn't exotic. It was normal meat and produce that I helped the chef acquire in an everyday grocery store.

I've got not much of anything whether I put up an adult piece or a clean piece, but it's pretty much always going to be that the adult pieces get the most views, it certainly holds true for all of my gallery, as well as anyone else's. Just gotta learn to accept it I guess >_>

Meh you can't really criticize people for having different tastes, and yes it is tastes, this 'rule' is just simplifying it. It would be like a french restaurant in an US culture criticizing the community it's established in for not liking french dishes.

I infact 'trolled' FA with this once. I posted a drawing, which I thought was well done, abotu a fully clad in space armor kitty and it barely even got viewed.
So..; i drew a fox herm with giant breasts and blue horse cock ejaculating as she got milked and electrocuted... that drew in a lot of attention for a bit. Bit sad I did it tho but it showed that that is indeed true.

Total fav, furs seem to pass up things because "Oh doesn't have a red border" and it both sickens and disturbs me.

What we need is a well-known non-furry DA-like site that allows porn to exist alongside general art. I'm pretty sure this would show that it isn't specifically a furry "failing".

In fact, if you know how to look, you can find evidence for a preoccupation with reproduction all over human society--and not just in the skanky parts.

It doesn't apply as a total blanket of course, but it is far too commonly true. And I'm saying that as someone who does do mostly sexual stuff. XD

I agre with almost all of the points... Except about "well draw anatomy" and "realistic". ;p

True and sad. Niche markets are a common occurrence in any fandom so it's not unexpected, but it would be nice if porn wasn't the fast track to popularity.

Generally I just stay away from works that squick me out or are of terrible drawing quality.

yeah... I know this quite well...I dont even bother posting pics that arnt furry or is just cool. but hay its the reason why people come to fa most of the time so i cant be to mad.

<3 good yiff.

Much of this describes my preferences, though not stated in such absolute terms. I like well-drawn porn. The anatomy doesn't have to be spot on, but it should reflect at least a general understanding of what the body looks like; if not, it is simply an inferior product. I once saw an artist who drew a character to look like his penis was growing out of one of his thighs. (I am aware that my own art is not very high quality, but this in no way obligates me to seek out poorly drawn material.) Yes, I prefer stuff that appeals to my fetishes. I don't think I am being narrow minded. It is not like I chose to be turned on by certain things and not others. I don't get only liking popular artists. My tastes are my own.

The point the artist is making is exactly that, if it's not sex/fetish, it's not worth most people's time. not EVERYTHING in the fandom needs to be about sex.

For me, if it doesn't contain sexual situations, or well drawn genitals then I'm actually able to view it. I've got FA switched to SFW mode at all times.
With regards to popularity of the artist, for me that just means their art is easier to stumble across. I am also well aware that I am not your average fur in these regards.

I disagree with that as a general furry rule for myself......I've seen primative art work here that makes me laugh, and beautiful panoramic epic drawings that look lifeless.Furs who are into toilets, or vivasection or bloating bellies....I'm not into those things but i gotta respect those who take their own valuable time to render their creations.A 100 peolpe can like your work but if 1 gives a negative review alotta artist shatter.(even if your telling the truth.)
I've seen so many themes here, things I never would have thought about drawing if i hadden't opened my eyes up to the possibilities, and diferences.


OK i'm done preaching.

Hmmm <3 sexy cubic tissue dispenser. Faved.

Wow. LMAO!

Thaaaat's pretty true. ...EXCEPT, if I honestly think there's one thing that's a llllot more popular than anything erotically themed... It's FUNNY stuff. I've seen some pretty casually-drawn jokes on here that've racked up favorites/comments/views well into the thousands, and it's just some simple visual gag or something like that. Humor seems to do just as well as porn sometimes X3

I am a terrible artist just starting out who doesn't draw porn, and I've managed to eek out a small following. So I think the statement is true for the mainstream, but if you post something people really will come look!

Sadly, your artwork is entirely too correct, with some exception to the well-drawn anatomy. If one were to draw something with hyper boobs and dick, it would draw more attention than a "realistic" or "accurate" one. I had a friend actually test this theory. She posted a beautiful traditional gouache tasteful pinup to furbuy, and it received.. I believe $80 for a 18" x 24" canvas. She then took and drew a husky with giant boobs in a harness and wrists bound, with her womanliness clearly displayed, and it, as an 8.5" x 11" pencil sketch, received $50.

I posted a journal, a week or so ago, that stirred up a lot of beliefs and other journals about a similar matter.. I said I was taking a new stand, and I wasn't going to continue to watch folks for the 1 beautiful piece of artwork thrown in between all the smut and fetish porn. I'm not villifying those who draw it.. I just choose not to watch it. I believe that is the only action that will make a difference. each person that takes that view needs to stand their ground, and not support it, and instead support artists like yourself, that draw quality art with meaning behind their work, without having to be some basement-dweller's fap material.

There are those of us out there that use FurAffinity as the art site it was originally intended to be, rather than the spank bank that too many seem to take it for now. I admit that I do have a fondness for some artists that have a beautiful understanding of anatomy, but that's not always the case. Sometimes, it's a particular way someone shades, or something else within their style that just makes it uniquely theirs, and puts their essence into their work.. that's what I like to see.

PS - If you want a Weasyl invite to see if it's an improvement, I'd be more than happy to give you one.

You forgot that it will still get plenty views and favorites if it includes someone vomiting rainbows, LOL MEMES, is LOLRANDUMB/SILLY enough, or is My Little Pony fanart.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get views in the furry fandom as a musician? It kind of sucks the big one.

I see this myself quite a bit, honestly. I alwasy find it sad.

Sadly, this can also be said for any fandom.

But it's "Oh So Edgy" to insist that furries are the only ones in the civilized world who are attracted to smut, amirite?

I get the feel, that you are joking, but I am taking this matter in a serious tone, so NO, it is not edgy in the slightest.

Furry or not, all fandom's suffer from this.
Doesn't matter which one, they all are a target for porn and porn related drama.

Yes, I jest.

But it just defies common sense to see how many in this fandom are convinced that furries are the only ones who'd look at an X-rated pic before anything else.

You've got me there :/

Sorry if I came off as cross before, I just tire of all the drama that unwinds here on both FA and DA about "Furry Drama" this and "IT'S NOT GAY PORN." that.
I seriously saw about 5-6 journals about proper etiquette for commenting from several users. Not sure the stories behind it all, but from the gist of it, people were bitching about something not being exclusively gay related.

I've actually seen comment's where they sort of harass the artist about it too, like commenting about how their should be a male only version, or when they were planning to do a male only version. I have nothing against gay's, hell, I am Bi, but gay, bi, straight, Asexual. No need for such comments. Only causes more drama to ensue.

I know it happens, haven't had to deal with it myself. Most of my material is G-rated, and my females get more views than my males. Of course I draw the girls more often because they wear a wider variety of stuff (which I'm fond of drawing...correctly :) ). Maybe I just cultivated a mostly hetero watcher-base by dumb luck.

Ever notice that some folks' favorites make it plainly obvious that they're here for a particular fetish? Every so often I'll get a fave/comment out of the blue from someone not watching me, and I'll look at their page and go "yup, I know why they liked that one"

Yeah, it happens a lot.
DA is horrid on that sorta thing. Or you'll get a watch, then like a month later, they'll unwatch you.

It's true, my most viewed pictures here are slightly pornographic, one of which was a quick doodle that ended up with 222 views.

I saw this... and laughed... then i thought on it and I think I died a little inside... sad but true good sir...

A bunch of horny, sexually repressed nerds want to look at porn. Shocker.

Also, the internet is a democracy. People will look at what they want to look at. Presupposing for others what is "worth" watching/reading/observing/fapping to at makes you an elitist.

Personally I don't care much about any except for anatomy, but for that it depends what is meant exactly. If it's purposely drawn non-realistically it can be fine, but if it has just no proportions or sense of self consistency, e.g. just very poorly drawn I tend to not care about it unless it has something else really going for out, e.g. too cute/adorable, really interesting subject matter, just something that really makes it stand out.

this annoys me. I have no idea how to draw realistic fur and such! My shading is simple. I have a semi toony style. I've tried realistic and the only thing that worked was the eyes. and that was in pencil! so yeah ALSO to put on the list "must be a digital artist" no one cares about traditional anymore...

I agree, but I don't really understand what's so sad about it.

I mean, if you think about it, everybody has a total right to only want to see what they're into. I know that creating work and having it ignored by the masses is kind of saddening - as a writer I feel that a lot about my poetry, but this ISN'T the right venue for it.

Creating art shouldn't be about recognition anyway. It should be about reaching within yourself and pulling out something intangible and expressing it on a canvas. It should be about honing in on a craft and bettering your understand of the visual arts. It should be about having fun and relaxing~ Anything or Everything like that in any combination. Fame is nice, but it shouldn't be the basis of your art.

... That said, yeah, I feel you on how annoying that is though. |3;

That's... a shame.

Don't forget the hidden clause where if it's the last one, just about all the rest can be ignored.

That's always the scary part.

This is both pathetic and puts furries as a whole in a bad light.

Furries should be openminded about any type of artwork. They should never favor certain types of artwork to the point of only having interest in those types of artwork. I enjoy adult furry artwork but I also enjoy any other type of artwork. I don't consider you my favorite artist just because you excell in one type of artwork, I became a fan of you because I enjoyed your drawing style. I furry should dictate his/her like/dislike towards any artwork based on the drawing style. Art should appeal to someone not because of the subject matter alone but if they find it visually appealing.

This type of closemindedness, I feel, is not welcome in any fandom. The specific subject metter you are describing makes the furry fandom seem biased, perverted and dumb. I am a furry and know that this is not what the furry fandom stands for. The idiots ruin it for everyone and that is definitely true.

Everytime I acknowledge that this type of favoritism is rampant throughout the furry fandom, I sometimes feel embarrassed to be a furry and to even associate myself with a fandom that has so many aspects that are considered abnormal.

Things like this lead to misconceptions about the fandom and this puts a damper on the furry experience for everybody.

I will stop right before this turns into an essay. This was a very thought provoking piece!

It's a bit discouraging how hard this hits the nail on the head.

This should become a meme.

That is all.

What I hate seing is pictures that appeal to my particular fetishes and yet are drawn like shit.

Needs an "[ ] is funny or cute".

Thought provoking stuff is cool too, but it's just hard to find in general, and often conveyed better in writing... Like a lot of your stuff.

I like funny, cute, or comics though. I always click on a comic page if I see one. I also click any picture with words on it, just out of habit, and in case it is a comic as well. x3

I think that people are focusing on the "well-drawn anatomy" aspect for the sake of the anatomy. To be honest, I lump that in with the "looks realistic" because people's "anatomy" or views on it all come from their idea of either what looks right or realistic or cool. It's just aesthetics. It's not necessarily obvious, but two people can draw the same thing from real life and come out with two different pictures because of what they choose to accentuate or leave out and what their eyes focus on unconsciously (or subconsciously? I don't know, I'm not a shrink). Anyway, while it does seem like it's a bad thing that people aren't as open to other things that don't fall outside their usual tastes, I don't see it as that.

I mean, you can't fault people for their tastes. (Okay, yes you can, but still.) And it makes sense to only look at things you like looking at. While it's not adventurous and it won't let you grow and explore new depths/learn you like things you never thought you would, it's more logical to just stick to what you know is already going to please you. This said, I will put it out there that I like looking at porn and I like a lot of popular artists (they're often popular for a reason, whether that be quality of work, the amount that they produce in x amount of time, the range of products they put out, or because or marketing/knowing people, etc). I also like looking at other things, sexuality just happens to be something that's a huge focus in the furry community (online in particular), so it's something you'll see looked at more favorably.

To comment on the "done by a popular artist" part, I felt like that was a bit redundant. Haha, I mean, popular means that the majority or a large portion of people are fans and well, if they're not popular, then of course the majority will say the portion at the bottom, shoot, even if they have the other boxes checked.

Hope this helps~

These rules are all too true. I'd only had a handful of views and even fewer watchers until I posted some TnA.

Aaaaaah furries! Gotta love them. Agree with that.

Personally, I draw what I want to draw, sculpt what I want to sculpt, and share what I wish to share. Whether or not it gets faves and comments is immaterial to me.

(Whether I make prints of a piece and/or similar sculptures to sell does, admittedly, hinge on piece popularity, but it is not WHY I create in the first place. It, like commissions, is simply one of the ways I support myself so that I can continue to do as I please.)

RUUUURUU!

Every now and then I hit the SFW button just to try and defy this rule o.o

I draw a comic that, despite being pretty raunchy, doesn't contain the kind of stuff that garners pageviews. It makes me grumpy and I know for a fact it's because of this very thing. I might draw sociopathic sexual humor, but I refuse to draw porn. I'm not good at it and I don't like it. :/

I love that expression and the tissue box XD I got a good laugh otu of this. Sadly I think you're pretty accurate on a general level. But... Not always. Just...a lot... XD

So very true, it's hard finding certain drawings that catch my attention but aren't too sexual or show off breasts (whole thing or showing of the nipples)

In my case that's true. Since my drawings aren't the greatest they can be yet I realized that if I wanted to get noticed on this site I was going to have to draw more things that are popular on this site (minus sex). A lot of people like boobs, pinups, butts and paws so I try to draw at least one of those categories when I draw something. I also try to draw popular characters (such as Mirage, Rouge, Peg Pete and others) in hopes that people would fave the works I've made.

EEeyup, sounds about right in my experiences. :/

In this instance art has to tick all the boxes to even get noticed by a wider audience. but then if you're not popular you can't fill this list in order to get your art noticed, therefore your art won't be that well noticed and you won't become popular (as quickly at least).

Disappointingly true. Though truth be told I tend to watch people if they have mostly clean stuff, once they start submitting lodes of esmut I tend to un-watch. Shame really, because they tend to draw really well otherwise.
Not stating that you're less of an artist if you draw smut, it's just not my preference.

:x I very much a furry but I don't require any of this, I don't find sexual pictures arousing, I ind them interesting.If the picture looks nice and it still doesn't have correct anatomy then I still will like it.I dont really care if its done by a popular artist or if it looks realistic, again if i like it and it looks good then its right in my book.I don't really care about genitals or breasts or fetishes because not every picture needs to be sexual :x I could careless. But I still am very much a furry :x

well this picture doesn't have porn in it and look at how many comments it got

and you know I'm not here for the fetishes

but then again

I'm hardly ever here anymore

I don't feel this way at all.

Some of the BEST artists I've found don't even draw "yiff" or at the least very rarely. ...god, I HATE that word, "yiff". >_<

Anyhow... here are a couple of them.

 AlectorFencer
 kimbo-demonica
 oCe
 Silverone

There USED to be  VampirePrincess007 , but with the way FA has been hemorrhaging good artists, she apparently picked up and left without saying anything to anyone...

These people are more of a reason I'm still here than any porn I've seen (especially of late). They're the diamonds in with the common sand and lesser gems of the furry art world, and they make my time here more enjoyable than anything else. Of late, I've been finding myself deleting more than 9/10ths of submitted art from the people I watch... I find that kinda sad, as the amount used to be a lot lower.

About you art. I think it's simply wonderful. It brings a smile to my face to see such cute characters and I honestly get the feeling you have a wonderful mind and personality from it.

As for the general furry audience, I feel this concept might be more true that should be he case. Worse, if you say anything about a lack of something that isn't a lack of sexual activity, people will shout you down with "Just shut up and fap~!" or "If you don't like it, don't LOOK at it~!" ...It's kinda sad.

Agreed, so damn many comments already dought mine will get read. BUT I would throw in Kacye Miagamy ( yea spelling- shoot me). I believe that the porn gets heard of more because they screem the most.

sadly, ja. there are too many artists to cover and ive got the fa extender, so auto-downloading somthing i wont like is hard to reverse

To say that I only watch artists because they draw porn would be pretty hypocritical of me since I complain about it every so often, but also to say that I don't go for artists that draw porn would be a straight out lie. Yes, I often lean towards artists who do draw sexual situations, but not so much so that I can get my rocks off, it's moreso that I can learn from their styles and poses and try to improve on my own. I'm not exactly sure what entices me to look at certain pictures or watch certain artists, but I will say that just because they are popular doesn't mean that I'm instantly going to watch them. Popularity, especially on this site, means nothing to me. In fact, I often have a tendency to NOT watch artists with a very high amount of watchers since I feel as though it won't matter in the slightest. "Oh, I got another watcher, number 2,656... who cares?"

The 3 main things that in my opinion that really make me want to watch someone, or look at certain art is this. 1. If they can draw poses really well. Anatomy and art style isn't that important to me since I watch many different styles, but alot of the times I often lean towards anime styles which is pretty far from accurate and realistic as it can get, but if the pose is good to me, then that's what counts in my book. Especially pin ups and a wide varieties of different sexual positions, because drawing different sexual positions can be difficult at times, especially with keeping the anatomy looking somewhat normal.

2. If an artist can make me laugh. It doesn't happen often, especially here, often because most people tend to be really depressed and draw vent art that is also depressing. So, if ANY artist in fact can make me laugh with their pictures, I instantly watch them.

3. and this is the absolute most important. Art consistency. If an artist takes months to post a new submission, they're not worth watching. This is the only time I will use this term. I absolutely hate it when an artists drops off the map and just out of nowhere stops posting for no reason, whether it be for personal reasons or complications due to shitty comments and watchers, I still can't stand it. Every year I make sure to go through whoever I'm watching and make sure to unwatch anyone who has been inactive for more then 3 months, unless they are a good friend, or unless they have a really good reason. It's happened to so many people now and of course they never explain why. They just stop posting. So to me posting something at least three times a month or so is what counts. I try to post something once a week, even if it's a crappy doodle or work in progress, because if I don't keep drawing, how will I get better?

That's my 2 cents. Thanks for the opportunity.

*looks at the watchlist with 22681 unchecked submissions* Well, I simply don't have the time to check ALL of these

This describes most of FA

I think it's considered cool to make this complaint, and to shake your heads and make some above-it-all remark about all those "sigh, FURRIES" and how the only head any of them ever think with is the other one.

However, I'm not sure it's actually true.

Where's the 'This' button?

What we need is a DA-alike that allows X-rated art to exist alongside G-rated work like FA does. Then we'd see how sex-preoccupied human beings can be.

I think technically G-rated stuff is allowed on HentaiFoundry (if only because I see no reason why it wouldn't be) but that's kind of like saying human-themed stuff is allowed on FA (which it is)--yes, it's there, too, but you can still tell what the main point of the site is from the name.

But yeah, I'm seeing that reaction a lot, including in the comments here. Like I said, "that's most of FA for you" remarks are the cool thing to do, and it makes it very easy for the people making them to feel superior, like they're on the winning side of an us-versus-them schism between the mindless yiffmongers and the true art enthusiasts lamenting the presence of the mindless yiffmongers. But is that most of FA?

Everyone uses this site differently. I come here mostly for comics. .... and porn.

I watch your art, in particular, mostly because of the stories you often have with your illustrations; and because I like your crosshatch techniques.

Here's another way to view it though... Couldn't I, as a viewer, counter this image with one of an artist not interested with sharing their art unless they can get a certain number of watchers or favs?

If you're drawing for yourself and whoever else appreciates your art, it shouldn't matter how 'popular' your art is in comparison to the smut peddlers.

The ONLY reasons to want to 'get noticed' is either because you want to make money from your art, or for your own vanity. If the former, their are a lot of ways to go about doing this that don't involve drawing nudity. If the latter, I'd suggest hanging around the circle-jerk that is DA.

Not exactly my own personal checklist. I tend to avoid lots of whining and emo artwork. Realistic is a matter of taste and varies from person to person; I more lean towards a cutsey style instead of a realistic one with perfect anatomy.

I'm not sure Anatomy and Realism apply per se, some of the most popular junk has this bizairre style evolved out of disney and anime that can only be described as the "furry" style. with idealized bodies that are even more unrealistic than the usual photoshopped supermodels and non-furry porn. truly realistic furries get snubbed... except when drawn by a Popular Artist

I try my hardest not to be like this. Is a adorable pic though

Well i guess i fall into most of these Points for the most part, not that i gave much thought into it tell seeing this.
I didnt come here just for Yiff and Sex thou.
I do care about Realism and most times (somewhat) anatomicly correct drawings but such is more often then not realy only done good by popular artists...

Chibis are a exception of corce^^

I CAN'T FAP TO THIS DDD: *knocks over tissue boxxes*

Haha jk :3

UH YEAH I HELLA AGREE lol e.e

It's just sad,how many not-so-well-known Artists...Are totally ignored.

Sadly true of a large portion of the fandom.

Its all in a measure of your free time. Those with little browse via the list in the image. Those with time or who genuinely give a damn about the artist they're looking at; they will take the time and seek each image, and at least fave.

This pretty much explains why almost no one knows who I am in this fandom. I'm a writer and I can't really draw and I only rarely write erotica. It's not that I don't like it. I just prefer to focus on other things. Sex is only one part of life. Some people are obsessed with it though.

I completely agree, it is sort of the rule, and its a sad but true fact too.
the only thing I might disagree on is the anatomy part, it doesn't have to have good anatomy to hold interest. It'd be nice yes, but not one of those required things. But all in all, I agree, lol. Porn = views (kinda funny too cuz I was talking with one of my friends last night/this morning about this topic as well)

Sadly true ...

i totaly disagree.

for one, thats not furry rule, thats everywhere rule ._. sex sells. period.

Also, i dont look at porn on FA or DA or any of those places, my preferences in art is based entirely on if it looks cute/fun/funny/ etc, if it catches my eye for some reason, i usualy leave a comment. Nothing sexual needed.

There are artists who I watch that don't draw sexual situations, have a very well defined grasp of anatomy, hence, they aren't popular, so the realism is off, what genitals?, my fetishes?

I watch them and check out their art because I can see their heart in in the subject.

well... yeah... ;^;

but i will pay attention to other art, like vent art and stuff, because it's pretty :3

I just passed 3k watchers and have never drawn so much as a nipple bump under clothing. My most popular character is a flatchested female. I also do furry art for a living.

Doesn't this just... kinda translate to, "I like good art that interests me"?

I mean, why would you look at bad art, that doesn't interest you?

Opinion

Eh, I've never really minded gratuitously sexual art that much. I can understand though that not everybody wants to filter through that to get to an artist's cleaner stuff. It's a roll of the die every time you set foot here.

Is it bad form to giggle at this picture because of so many truths? I love your arts by the way.

sounds like alot fo watchers are having a specific preference to their 'needs'

Furry art revolves around fanservice :/

So true

Sad but true.