Agreed. Realistic muzzles and mouths really make a picture.

Ah yes, the anthropomorphic version of the "flounder face"

I've always noticed that, and it's always irked me. I've learned to ignore it, because I know that if I became an artist, I'd probably rely on it because I wouldn't be able to figure out how to do it right.

Hah nice one, also agree

xD you sound like my friend. She called it a syndrome as well. I never really did it when I got really focused as an artist, although I'm still having difficulties with drawing mouths from a side when they're open.

Actually, it's named "Sidemouth" by TV Tropes. Still, quite bad to see.

Oooh, the more you know... I think i'll change the pic now... Or should i?

you should make a compared image version one. that one next to the way you like to draw them. =D

Don't need to, it was just a heads-up.

Even more actually, it's named "Cheeky Mouth" by TV Tropes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p.....in/CheekyMouth
Yes, I just HAD to look it up on that genius' website!

Yeah, that. I mistook the trope name. Thanks for correcting it.

TV Tropes will ruin your life :)

:D

Hahaha! Oh yes, I've thought about this thing sometimes too. When I started to draw, many years ago, I used it too, but luckily was for short. It's much more pleasuring to try to improve each detail than to keep sticked to some easy shortscuts to get a "nice" effect.

I don't mind this at all, I think it's much more cute than doing it the realistic way. :)

I don't commission artists that have a habit of that, it looks bad normally, but my character's a shark, he looks retarded if his head and jaw aren't the right shape :V

Interesting commentary on it. I personally don't draw the side mouth much (only with chibi or over-the-top anime expressions). However, it can have it's uses, yes. I guess it can depend on the artist's style.

I try to avoid that though I HAVE used it but more for comical purposes.

This looks really weird in 3D, like in some of the older Sonic games. x3

http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/extras.....onic_72_80.jpg

Haha XD

Yeah... :P

some people just can't get right the realistic look, so they stick to funny looking mouths instead of mauled faces.

I have a similar 'syndrome' where in that same pose, your character there could be looking behind himself.

It's strange that this is called "closed mouth syndrom" when the mouth is actually open - usually on just one side of the face, though, completely unrealisticaly.

I probably avoided it for the longest time, because I always used real-life animals for reference when drawing. I do use this technique sometimes, but only when the subject I am drawing has the same "syndrome" since she is from an anime or toon that uses this method.

Most likely coming from the difficulty of frequetly moving the lips with each movement. I avoid this usually by drawing 3/4 view most of the time :D

I like side-views myself - for a long time, 3/4 views were hard to draw for me - but even if I draw them, I leave the mouth open up to the tip of the snout - like it'd be on a real wolf or lizard.

I suppose CMS ( ) is tied to the dot-nose we see nowadays on moe animes; you know, cute girls, pixel nose. Anime has always been about telling a story with stylized or simplified animation. Of course, here is where we all wish back 80s/90s just for the sake of having different faces. Some goes for mouths. Too bad it is seldom to see this at least on one character - as all ususally have closed-mouth and dot nose. Heh, even in mangas.

By the way, dude, did you check your email. Sent one to you with something about photoshop. Kind of blasted me away what I figured out -_-.

LOL, yeah, that dot-nose is a weird thing. Heh, Kyurene the bat girl I drew from Sailor Moon actually has something similar - from the front her nostrils are visible only, but from the side it is apparent that she has a more snout-like nose then a human one.

Will check my mails, but I have about 100 unread mails from you and Raz - I am just not fast enough to read and reply back at this pace...

Thanks okay dude :).
But just to say, you might want to read the recent one as it has something about the photoshop brush I didn't know. It is something so damn simple that I can't believe I missed out on it

It's no secret so I'll just toss it here :D. Eventually, you know it already.
You can make precise lines with the brush tool just by
- making a dot (A) with a brush somewhere
- move mouse to where you want the end of the line (B); hold shift and click
- PS will draw the damn line between A and B ~_~

From all the noob tutorials I saw, I never saw that one explained xD. So technically, you can actually do more precise linearts. Combined with that sorta-comlicated vectorization trick I told you about a while ago, it should be much "easier" to make lineart - at least for me as I do not have a scanner where I am at.

OH, yeah, I knew that... use it a lot when drawing. It's easier then using the "string" tool. As I still cannot draw with a mouse very well, it's something I use a lot. Guess I forgot to tell you...

That's ok. Just never saw it anywhere. Not even in the books - or I oversaw it xD!

Hah! My crippling compulsion to draw realistically when I lack the skill to do so renders me immune!
...wait, that's not a good thing, is it?

Nah, you are good... you just need to practice.

This comes from cheap cartoons, where they draw the face once and then just animate the mouth opening and closing on it without moving the chin or anything. It's designed to save on animation effort. It became so common (especially in Anime) that non-animators started mimicking the style.

you say it's easier to draw? i tried that some time ago and i sucked at it xD
probably because it just doesn't fit my usual drawing style... dunno.

i think it depends on how you're doing your linework. if the lines are too thin, this "closed mouth" style just looks like crap while
with thicker lines it looks pretty good.

This kind of mouth works great at a 3/4s view, I think it's usually the case of people drawing mouths at the wrong angle on the face.

Это синдром "закрытого рта"? Да, ну, в аниме хотя бы рисуют хоть какое-то подобие артикуляции. Настоящий синдром "закрытого рта"- это (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OguK.....sfUjXnHpVOnSR3 , смотреть с 4.80).

I have seen this.... it will be the downfall of us all....
And it grew from that cancer known as anime...