Dave: Guitar. Jimmy: Drums. Yours Truly: Bass
Recorded in one take at "Harrisound" Studio (Inside joke)
Please use headphones/earbuds or separate PC speakers for this if available. The demo was not equalized for teeny laptop speakers, and I've gotten comments about not hearing the bass.
*No post-editing except for mixing, applied instrument effects and overdubs. No click-track used when playing. What you hear is what you get.*
My band is currently ironing out the composition of some new songs, and this one is all but done except for lyrics and vocals. We'll have to stretch/contract sections of it to fit vocal melodies when the time comes, so that'll be another recording altogether. We did another take with everything tightened up a bit more, but it's far from perfect. It's still just a demo, but our drummer Jimmy spent much more time playing with the mix after we did it, there's some keyboard ambiance and even a scratch solo in there holding the place for something more refined in the future. It's the same song as before; low, slow, and heavy, but with much better balance in all the instruments and effects used. Again, not perfect, and not a final product, so this is open to critiques so long as you realize what you're hearing. Particularly, Dave dialed in something nice with Amplitube. I am fond of how much cleaner it is compared to previous versions and how punchy the drums are, which shows that we can do even better with what we already have at hand if we just take more time with it..
A bit about prospective future changes in our sound:
Eventually, we want to try an effects set-up like all the old Swedish death metal bands used in the late 1980's and early 1990's (e.g. Entombed): A Boss HM-2 and Distortion DS-1 combo turned all the way up on a small amp for the guitars is all those guys used. I already have an old Yamaha distortion pedal (circa 1980) meant for guitar but used on my bass to give it that "buzz saw" sound when playing through an amp, but the above mentioned gear is needed for the guitars to sound that way as well. However, because we use effects plug-ins through Reaper (because of the flexibility), and not physical gear recorded with microphones, getting that sound might be tricky. Overall, that kind of thick tone would be much better for the "Doom Metal" we're writing at the moment. Plus, future songs will be all over the place with tempos, so not every song we have is going to be slow like this one.
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Recorded in one take at "Harrisound" Studio (Inside joke)
Please use headphones/earbuds or separate PC speakers for this if available. The demo was not equalized for teeny laptop speakers, and I've gotten comments about not hearing the bass.
*No post-editing except for mixing, applied instrument effects and overdubs. No click-track used when playing. What you hear is what you get.*
My band is currently ironing out the composition of some new songs, and this one is all but done except for lyrics and vocals. We'll have to stretch/contract sections of it to fit vocal melodies when the time comes, so that'll be another recording altogether. We did another take with everything tightened up a bit more, but it's far from perfect. It's still just a demo, but our drummer Jimmy spent much more time playing with the mix after we did it, there's some keyboard ambiance and even a scratch solo in there holding the place for something more refined in the future. It's the same song as before; low, slow, and heavy, but with much better balance in all the instruments and effects used. Again, not perfect, and not a final product, so this is open to critiques so long as you realize what you're hearing. Particularly, Dave dialed in something nice with Amplitube. I am fond of how much cleaner it is compared to previous versions and how punchy the drums are, which shows that we can do even better with what we already have at hand if we just take more time with it..
A bit about prospective future changes in our sound:
Eventually, we want to try an effects set-up like all the old Swedish death metal bands used in the late 1980's and early 1990's (e.g. Entombed): A Boss HM-2 and Distortion DS-1 combo turned all the way up on a small amp for the guitars is all those guys used. I already have an old Yamaha distortion pedal (circa 1980) meant for guitar but used on my bass to give it that "buzz saw" sound when playing through an amp, but the above mentioned gear is needed for the guitars to sound that way as well. However, because we use effects plug-ins through Reaper (because of the flexibility), and not physical gear recorded with microphones, getting that sound might be tricky. Overall, that kind of thick tone would be much better for the "Doom Metal" we're writing at the moment. Plus, future songs will be all over the place with tempos, so not every song we have is going to be slow like this one.
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It's... A little shaky. The intro on guitar doesn't feel like it fits to me. Like, it needs to do one thing and stick to that.
Then the synth comes in, and that doesn't fit in at all. The notes don't work.
Now, it's not bad. It needs some work, but it is pretty solid. Your drummer is holding it all together, and the bass, well, I can't hear it at all.
Give a few more practices, iron out some wrinkles, do some mixing, and you'll sound better.
Not a bad start, though.
Then the synth comes in, and that doesn't fit in at all. The notes don't work.
Now, it's not bad. It needs some work, but it is pretty solid. Your drummer is holding it all together, and the bass, well, I can't hear it at all.
Give a few more practices, iron out some wrinkles, do some mixing, and you'll sound better.
Not a bad start, though.
Yeah. I'm playing bass here, and believe it or not, if you play this song through an actual mp3 player, you can hear me better. I blame that on the compression of the flash player. As for the synth, I don't like it much, but I didn't compose it, so the jury is still out on that one. Mixing is was done quick. This whole thing was done quick; all in one take is the name of the game here. The above description basically warns of that. Sections will be lengthened/shortened to fit vocals when they're written. The intro is a bit too heavy on notes for a doom band, but our guitar player really likes power metal, so he tries to stuff complexity into things where it doesn't work, so the whole thing is in need of some fine tuning, but that's why it's a DEMO!!
I appreciate the honesty, and It's still very formative, plus our first song to boot. This track is the first thing we've made together as a group in years, so I'm not even sure if it will make a set list or ever be finished enough to make a track listing. Certainly you understand just how "off-the-cuff" this is, and I like putting up stuff this "wet" because it gauges progress; if it was release-quality, I'd be making you pay for it on an mp3 site instead of listening to it here.
There are worse versions of this song in my scraps if you want to see the humble beginning of this track. The biggest improvement here is how tight it is. I'm basically showing off how much better we've gotten at playing together after not having touched instruments in years (for some of us). Progress goes slow when practices unfold once a week between school, relationships, and day jobs. You mentioned the drums holding it together; the drums and bass are doing exactly that, but since you can't hear really hear the bass , it's a moot point. I use audiophile grade headphones for everything, so I don't miss a beat on even the crappiest "necro" black metal recordings.
I appreciate the honesty, and It's still very formative, plus our first song to boot. This track is the first thing we've made together as a group in years, so I'm not even sure if it will make a set list or ever be finished enough to make a track listing. Certainly you understand just how "off-the-cuff" this is, and I like putting up stuff this "wet" because it gauges progress; if it was release-quality, I'd be making you pay for it on an mp3 site instead of listening to it here.
There are worse versions of this song in my scraps if you want to see the humble beginning of this track. The biggest improvement here is how tight it is. I'm basically showing off how much better we've gotten at playing together after not having touched instruments in years (for some of us). Progress goes slow when practices unfold once a week between school, relationships, and day jobs. You mentioned the drums holding it together; the drums and bass are doing exactly that, but since you can't hear really hear the bass , it's a moot point. I use audiophile grade headphones for everything, so I don't miss a beat on even the crappiest "necro" black metal recordings.
Yeah, the piece was actually meant to be completely acoustic originally, but he stayed plugged in for it. Trust me, this song is more of a test-bed than anything. We might axe the intro, change it, or who knows? I didn't really write this one, so I have just helped with the arranging on it.
Thanks for the fave! My tastes bounce around a lot (within the realms of rock and metal) so if you want an honest review or just am objective opinion about ANY kind of rock, metal, or pretty much all music in general, just give me a shout or PM. I also trade and collect rare underground demos/bootlegs, etc.
Figured I would give your link a go. Cant claim to be very knowledgeable about Doom metal. Its still pretty good though. The production is pretty good, but I can see what the others mean about the bass being buried though and the synths don't really sound like they belong in the mix though. Im sure that you guys will have a pretty good future music wise. Its got potential, just a bit unrefined. I look forward to hearing more from this project. Hope to be more than a repeat on future songs.
Doom is a launch-pad genre for us, but if you look at the other track I posted as a birthday gift (warning: rougher than this one because produced/recorded in even less time), you can hear that we straddle the rock/metal fence and sometimes go outside of the doom box with guitar tones and chords. As for the bass, it is buried a tad, but that had more to do with crappy old strings and the inability to find a tone that I liked than anything else. Check out the other song I recently posted here to get a sample of something a bit more dynamic. We also have a faster one coming and another doomy track even darker than this one we're working on.
Somehow, I hav had a "Doom level" feeling, too. ^_^
The problem about bass is, most people don't recognize it... but it is there.
I can hear it.
The basic idea of this track is solid and some compositional cues work well.
It's all about mixing... the instruments sadly sound muffled and a bit unclean.
The guitar riffs itself are good, but not always consistent with the rest.
One thing really got my attention: the song lacks a stronger motive. No, that's not it... the construct is a little bit flawed.
Despite of some small errors in the notes - some notes sound wrong and don't work in harmony - I am missing a pattern here.
See... the "doom-ish" beginning gets repeated in the end of the track again. This is great! This is how it works. The listener recognizes the part gratefully!! ^_^
But in the middle of the track... a lot of pattern or structure is lost. Even the drums get out of sync one or two times.
And there is the high lead guitar patt in 1:48... this is a welcome change and brings us a new thematic pattern. Unfortunately, this cue is not repeated and it really sounds... random. The idea is nice, but it does not work right.
I think, a faster pace would have been great... some change in tempo at least for some seconds.
And the theme isn't really a part of the other song, somehow.
Here is my advise as composer (and since you consider me one of your fav artists, I feel obligated to help):
1) Mixing
Okay, you need better equipment, sure... this s nothing new. Still, the instruments need a seperate set of equalizers and mixers, to have independent volume and effect settings. It is important, that each part could be seperated, in order to become a unity again.
2) Pattern and thematical composition
Here lies the key for you guys. Start with a very simple pattern, such as A...B...A
THIS means:
A: main theme and intro
B: secondary theme and exposition
A: repeated main theme and outro
This is really generic, yes... but it helps creating a consistent pattern.
That's why most songs have this pattern here:
Stanza 1
Stanza 2
Refrain
Stanza 3
Refrain
Intro
Refrain... till the end.
Okay, I hope I could help you a bit. ^_^ These are my thoughts.
And.... no, you are NOT crappy! You just need some practise at composing and.... structure!!!
Good luck
The problem about bass is, most people don't recognize it... but it is there.
I can hear it.
The basic idea of this track is solid and some compositional cues work well.
It's all about mixing... the instruments sadly sound muffled and a bit unclean.
The guitar riffs itself are good, but not always consistent with the rest.
One thing really got my attention: the song lacks a stronger motive. No, that's not it... the construct is a little bit flawed.
Despite of some small errors in the notes - some notes sound wrong and don't work in harmony - I am missing a pattern here.
See... the "doom-ish" beginning gets repeated in the end of the track again. This is great! This is how it works. The listener recognizes the part gratefully!! ^_^
But in the middle of the track... a lot of pattern or structure is lost. Even the drums get out of sync one or two times.
And there is the high lead guitar patt in 1:48... this is a welcome change and brings us a new thematic pattern. Unfortunately, this cue is not repeated and it really sounds... random. The idea is nice, but it does not work right.
I think, a faster pace would have been great... some change in tempo at least for some seconds.
And the theme isn't really a part of the other song, somehow.
Here is my advise as composer (and since you consider me one of your fav artists, I feel obligated to help):
1) Mixing
Okay, you need better equipment, sure... this s nothing new. Still, the instruments need a seperate set of equalizers and mixers, to have independent volume and effect settings. It is important, that each part could be seperated, in order to become a unity again.
2) Pattern and thematical composition
Here lies the key for you guys. Start with a very simple pattern, such as A...B...A
THIS means:
A: main theme and intro
B: secondary theme and exposition
A: repeated main theme and outro
This is really generic, yes... but it helps creating a consistent pattern.
That's why most songs have this pattern here:
Stanza 1
Stanza 2
Refrain
Stanza 3
Refrain
Intro
Refrain... till the end.
Okay, I hope I could help you a bit. ^_^ These are my thoughts.
And.... no, you are NOT crappy! You just need some practise at composing and.... structure!!!
Good luck
Oh, one more thing. I did compose some of these "endless tracks" fot computer games myself. I composed some tracks for a user campaign of STARCRAFT.
The motive is very similar:
A track, which could play endlessly. XD
In this case, and I see you guys like such tracks, I suggest to rely on a very simple A...B...A...B...pattern.
A main... no, two main motives, which are repeated all the time. Some transpositions could be used for a change, too.
This might work well for you!
And nice fade-outs in the end.... ^___^
The motive is very similar:
A track, which could play endlessly. XD
In this case, and I see you guys like such tracks, I suggest to rely on a very simple A...B...A...B...pattern.
A main... no, two main motives, which are repeated all the time. Some transpositions could be used for a change, too.
This might work well for you!
And nice fade-outs in the end.... ^___^
I appreciate all the advice. We actually have a lot more songs than this, and now that lyrics have been written, I've had to "elasticize" some of the songs (cutting up songs, adding/replacing sections, lengthening songs in many cases) to establish the verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/verse/chorus pattern that is needed to transform abstract musical pieces into an actual songs.
In the case of this one, that means the patterning you have suggested above. I listen to good criticism and I have made the rest of the band aware that our compositions lack any real pattern, and that they should be arranged with some repetition unless a random "jam" feel is what they really want (and it isn't). They have let me "bring the songs together" in that way. I've just been so busy with work and such that it has been about three weeks since I played with the guys, and this track is months old now. Suffice it to say this is just a very early and raw taste of what we are going for.
Unfortunately, the guys don't' let me take unfinished work like this out of the studio often, because they are afraid of criticism, but this is exactly what we need to improve, because everything is going to sound "good" to our ears without outside input. I usually have to sneak it out or argue over it until they relent. Thank you.
In the case of this one, that means the patterning you have suggested above. I listen to good criticism and I have made the rest of the band aware that our compositions lack any real pattern, and that they should be arranged with some repetition unless a random "jam" feel is what they really want (and it isn't). They have let me "bring the songs together" in that way. I've just been so busy with work and such that it has been about three weeks since I played with the guys, and this track is months old now. Suffice it to say this is just a very early and raw taste of what we are going for.
Unfortunately, the guys don't' let me take unfinished work like this out of the studio often, because they are afraid of criticism, but this is exactly what we need to improve, because everything is going to sound "good" to our ears without outside input. I usually have to sneak it out or argue over it until they relent. Thank you.
Hehehe... thanks for the reply. And no need to justify yourself! ^^ I know how it is, to have PLENTY of ideas... and the urge to put them all into ONE song, hehehe. But sometimes, the more simple stuff works better for the listeners.
And if you seek criticism, I AM YOUR MAN! XD
As you can see, I rather dislike "one-sentence-comments" and... since YOU are trying to achieve something, I really want to give you LOTS of input!
^^
You're welcome.
And if you seek criticism, I AM YOUR MAN! XD
As you can see, I rather dislike "one-sentence-comments" and... since YOU are trying to achieve something, I really want to give you LOTS of input!
^^
You're welcome.
I've been guilty of short comments on your work just because I don't know really what to say other than I like something you drew/painted. i don't really engage conversation in art comments unless I have something to add, or I know the person. It's my own stuffy form of online etiquette getting in the way, but music is something I have much more to speak on than visual art, so I guess you have struck a nerve.
Not bad, though that's all I can say right now. The drums seem a bit too loud compared to the rest of the band so to me that might need to be tuned down a bit. I do like how the bass is heard since not many even care for the bass, even though I play it. The guitar intro does sound out of place compared to the rest of the song. But overall, it's different than some other songs I've heard from people. And I take it you sent this to me because I'm a hardcorefurs mod? xD
Ah, this sounds great so far. Yours is a bit faster, but reminds me of a lot of old My Dying Bride. Actually sounds like you guys upped the tempo towards the middle, but that could just be my untrained ears? Either way, I like the melody. You gonna go for growls or clean vocals? Or both?
Both actually, and I think we did speed up a bit by accident. Your the first person to actually get what we were kinda going for with this one. The other songs we have run the gamut from being closer to N.W.O.B.H.M.-style like old Maiden to flat-out boogie rock a la ZZ Top, although I don't think we're in the same league as them, for that would be insulting to such legends. Ha!
Yeah, that's where I found ya, because I'm getting ready to gear up for more demos soon and was pimping our old one around one more time, this one will have words soon, and will probably be our first finished song. if you like what you hear, I'll try to remember and drop another one on your page, or check back by again if you like. Cheers!
Thanks for the fave. Check back for more tunes coming soon. I also do reviews, and just posted one HERE if you want to check it out. The review is for an album by a much more brutal band than mine, but I did it as a request. Cheers!
I'm not a fan of this kind of music (Hard Metal sound without voice), but it sounds very good !
I don't have the best speakers of the world but I hear the bass, and like another said before, people really doesn't recognize it. And even, I think the bass is a little too present ! For me, the bass has a specific role : keep the cohesion of the music and make the soundtrack listenable. As a drummer (and bassist sometimes) I really don't care if people "doesn't hear" the bass. I know she's here (because she's my best friend, haha).
Anyway, I'm not this kind of super musician of death that recognize all errors in one simple listening, but I can say I have the feeling that the music isn't played with heart. I can't feel the emotion. Maybe it's because of my music taste (but I really like metal). Technically, I can't hear any errors. The guitar is pretty good, even in the solo (a solo a little bit complicated would be better I think). However, I'm hearing too much noise from the distorsion of the amp, and not enough the note. Bad point I guess.
The drummer is pretty good too, but I found him not as present as the bass. It's like the drum leaving her role and play tempo just to codify the track.
Anyway, great work ! I will watched you, for sure. This work is clearly interesting ! :)
I don't have the best speakers of the world but I hear the bass, and like another said before, people really doesn't recognize it. And even, I think the bass is a little too present ! For me, the bass has a specific role : keep the cohesion of the music and make the soundtrack listenable. As a drummer (and bassist sometimes) I really don't care if people "doesn't hear" the bass. I know she's here (because she's my best friend, haha).
Anyway, I'm not this kind of super musician of death that recognize all errors in one simple listening, but I can say I have the feeling that the music isn't played with heart. I can't feel the emotion. Maybe it's because of my music taste (but I really like metal). Technically, I can't hear any errors. The guitar is pretty good, even in the solo (a solo a little bit complicated would be better I think). However, I'm hearing too much noise from the distorsion of the amp, and not enough the note. Bad point I guess.
The drummer is pretty good too, but I found him not as present as the bass. It's like the drum leaving her role and play tempo just to codify the track.
Anyway, great work ! I will watched you, for sure. This work is clearly interesting ! :)
Thanks for the watch. Hang in there, better stuff is coming. I really appreciate the time taken with the comments, but I think you're missing the point slightly. Critiquing a piece isn't about recognizing the errors in piece of music, unless it's a finished product, but about criticizing stylistic choices like songwriting, production, and compositional elements. This isn't an instrumental, but a demo/rehearsal track of a future song that will have vocals and is only missing them now because they haven't been recorded. The idea of posting this was so people could see a work in progress, mistakes and all.
About bass as a prominent or submissive instrument: that is a matter of taste my friend. Many "power-trio" bands of just three members had the bass player take a more active role of providing accompaniment or a counter-melody to the guitar, if there isn't a second guitarist to do so. You can look to bands like [Rush, [i]Grand Funk Railroad, or Cream for more elaborate examples of this technique. Even four-piece bands like Iron Maiden have prominent bass playing, because it was part of the style and the bass player contributed to the songwriting. Usually, when a bass player sticks to the background and is virtually unheard, it's because there are two guitar players that the band has decided to let take the forefront, and the bass player is not a contributing member, but just doing a job.
As for whether you think we play with heart or not, that is a personal decision, but if we aren't playing for the love of music, and not putting our hearts in it, then what other reason is there? We sure aren't doing this for money, because if we were, we'd be playing metalcore.
There is a much better version of this I'm holding onto for now, but feel free to poke about and check out my reviews or other rough cuts in the meantime. Cheers!
About bass as a prominent or submissive instrument: that is a matter of taste my friend. Many "power-trio" bands of just three members had the bass player take a more active role of providing accompaniment or a counter-melody to the guitar, if there isn't a second guitarist to do so. You can look to bands like [Rush, [i]Grand Funk Railroad, or Cream for more elaborate examples of this technique. Even four-piece bands like Iron Maiden have prominent bass playing, because it was part of the style and the bass player contributed to the songwriting. Usually, when a bass player sticks to the background and is virtually unheard, it's because there are two guitar players that the band has decided to let take the forefront, and the bass player is not a contributing member, but just doing a job.
As for whether you think we play with heart or not, that is a personal decision, but if we aren't playing for the love of music, and not putting our hearts in it, then what other reason is there? We sure aren't doing this for money, because if we were, we'd be playing metalcore.
There is a much better version of this I'm holding onto for now, but feel free to poke about and check out my reviews or other rough cuts in the meantime. Cheers!
I totally agree with you to what you wrote, also I didn't heard/see it was a demo, sorry. And, I admit that I might miss the point. The thing is that I think people can't criticize music for the songwriting and compositional elements for the simple fact that this is a choice of the artist (or group) and might be chosen for a reason. At that point, I can't say anything about this track except for technical error. I can hear technical error. But I'm not as trained as a professional musician to analyse more. I just wanted to show you what I dislike in this case.
About, I really love "We're an American Band" by GFR, and yes, the bass is taking an active role (and it sound actually really great). I'm not criticizing the instrument, I really like bass and rythme instruments in general. The thing is that I thought it was too "present" (too loud) whereas is wasn't in a big active role. (I mean, less active than the guitar, which is good too). Sorry for misunderstood. As english isn't my mother language, I could have some difficulties to express myself in the right way. :P
For the playing with heart, I have made a bad mistake (I re-listen the track again), due maybe to the fact that I'm not used to this kind of music. Anyway, playing music without any commercial reason is the best way to do so, and that's good for you ! :)
I will check around, time to time, to see what coming next.
About, I really love "We're an American Band" by GFR, and yes, the bass is taking an active role (and it sound actually really great). I'm not criticizing the instrument, I really like bass and rythme instruments in general. The thing is that I thought it was too "present" (too loud) whereas is wasn't in a big active role. (I mean, less active than the guitar, which is good too). Sorry for misunderstood. As english isn't my mother language, I could have some difficulties to express myself in the right way. :P
For the playing with heart, I have made a bad mistake (I re-listen the track again), due maybe to the fact that I'm not used to this kind of music. Anyway, playing music without any commercial reason is the best way to do so, and that's good for you ! :)
I will check around, time to time, to see what coming next.
It's alright to criticize songwriting and composition, because that's the heart of an musician's skill, more than say their technical playing ability. Sometimes a shitty punk song can have better songwriting than a technical progressive piece. I've seen it happen. Anyway, don't worry about it. I wasn't trying to completely invalidate your opinion, I just wanted you to know that you were sort of stating the obvious by pointing out technical errors in a rehearsal track. I didn't know that English wasn't your main language, or I might have been a bit more gentle with you. Carry on and thanks for the input!
You're very welcome. The wrong sentence came from me, don't blame yourself : I prefer having someone who's invalidate my opinion than someone who totally agree with ! This is more interesting; and I can say that you open my eyes on specifics things (and also improve my english debate skills xD). I'm open to every opinions, specially if they were said by a musician (in the case of the music) who has a better experience than me, like you.
Really, that was fine ! I discover a view that I didn't know before, and I agree with it : purfect. :D
I'm really impatient to see a complete soundtrack, maybe it will make me like Hard Metal
Really, that was fine ! I discover a view that I didn't know before, and I agree with it : purfect. :D
I'm really impatient to see a complete soundtrack, maybe it will make me like Hard Metal
I've been branching out my music to people. It usually starts off as a friend of a friend, then somebody who shouted in that person's box, to somebody that other person has in their watch list. Three or four pages later, I find somebody like you. Building an audience for my band mainly, and I took a wild guess as to your music preferences/tolerances. Not every random link has been greeted kindly, to be sure. If you like what you hear enough to check out some more, there are some other demos in the gallery. If it's not really your thing, no worries. I like meeting new people in general, unless they're creepy. Cheers!
well I'm not creepy like pedo creepy. I'm just different XD
I love music of all types, I tend to like at least one song per every artist I ever run across.
I just found it rather random as hell that you just slapped a link at me XD I don't bite. much.
good call on my music prefs though, but I sorta have no prefs. I've been into metal lately, so good timing!
I love music of all types, I tend to like at least one song per every artist I ever run across.
I just found it rather random as hell that you just slapped a link at me XD I don't bite. much.
good call on my music prefs though, but I sorta have no prefs. I've been into metal lately, so good timing!
No worries. I haven't posted any new original material for quite some time now, and the future remains uncertain for this project as we no longer have regular contact with our guitarist. May end up putting vocals to this and calling it a day until we can regroup with something else. Who knows at this point?
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