Is it bad that all i can think of is that if this was handled better, then the money spent on this could be sent instead to

A:Pay our soldiers better.

B:Pay for better care for our troops.

C:Build things we need.

D: Be usefull somehow.


(Well, i guess for a politician that is bad )

Technically, they ARE criminals if they're in the US illegally. But the problem COULD be handled better.

as a person with predominately native American blood, im firmly of the opinion the bulk of Americans are here illegally.

Hee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNqlhPFc4Y

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.

Im sure 3-4 month prison sentence doesn't even faze them. We are too lax and it's not fair to those who come here legally :/

No system is perfect and they all have flaws. Still beats having no system at all.

Are you suggesting that Mexico is the pinnacle of modern jurisprudence, upon which the United States should be modelling its laws? Funny that whenever people cite laws like this, it's always some 3rd-world shithole that has them, and yet they never make the connection.

figuring these guys are from Mexico i though it was an appropriate country to compare to but if that does not satisfy:

Germany-

A customer or employer of a foreign national is now legally responsible for ensuring that the foreigner is legally entitled to perform the activities in question on the basis of his or her immigration permit.

Customers or employers of a foreigner without the necessary immigration title may be fined up to €500,000.

Business visitors who are caught while crossing the border with the intention to perform employment or self-employment activities may be refused entrance and fined or imprisoned for up to one year.

Foreigners who intend to work or are working in Germany and who hold only a Schengen visa without any entitlement to work may be fined or imprisoned for up to one year.

Persons who instigate or assist a foreigner in illegal employment on the basis of such a Schengen visa may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Russia-

Those responsible for organizing the illegal entry of non-citizens into Russia, their stay in the country or their transit through it now face up to five years in prison

UK-

Immigration officers will have new powers to enter businesses to search for illegal immigrants and demand information to detect asylum fraud. The officers will be empowered to remove children born in the UK when their parents entered the country unlawfully.

Another tough move will see the maximum jail term for those convicted of harboring or trafficking illegal immigrants rise from six months to 14 years.

In a bid to strengthen Britain's borders, travel operators such as airlines will face a new "right to carry" scheme, where they will have to obtain clearance for passengers before they begin their journeys.

Carriers will be obliged to check passengers' details against a database to confirm they pose no known immigration or security risk.

I forget where it was I was working, but there was this little building by the gate which read 'Wackenhut' on the side. We had our theories on what went on in there.

My sister used to work for them. It wasn't that sinister. She was a night-time security guard. What goes on in the shack is probably sleeping, when nobody is paying attention.

We assumed it was wackin'.

Private prisons are such a ridiculous idea. Businesses are all about maximising profit, How do prisons make their profit? Imprisoning people and getting the state to pay for it, how do they maximise that profit? Put more people in jail, how do you do that? Make laws tougher.

Putting an incentive on that kind of thing is a horrible horrible idea.

Exactly.

So "Operation Streamline" doesn't. Cute.

If they're deporting them, it's because they're criminals.

Then why are they imprisoning them and funneling taxpayer money to private corporations for the holding time? Who, exactly, are the criminals, again?

In my town, here, we have a concrete bunker, surrounded by concertina wire. Incongruously, inside the concertina wire there's a section of playground equipment, for the incarcerated children being indefinitely detained. People have made noise over and over about shutting the place down, but y'see, it just brings too much money into this town, and it's in a Republican congressional district, and after all, everybody here is totally anti-illegal, can't stand the thought of illegal 7-year-olds running free and possibly attending schools with decent, WHITE children, so the buses keep coming.

The next logical step is to use 'campaign contributions' to make laws where the prisoners at the private prisons will have to pay for their living costs by doing forced labor that would be contracted out to private businesses. The labor contractors may be shell-corporations controlled by the private prisons. Those agricultural workers won't be illegal immigrants - they will be private prisoners doing agricultural work. Prisoner slavery = Private profit.

With further campaign contributions, businesses that are convicted of breaking other new laws could be forced to hire the private corporation prison labor AT UNION WAGES, which will then go to the private prison corporations for expenses and PROFIT.

I think we will be told that our traditions of marketplace competition will keep this new private prison system from being abused in any way.

You think they haven't thought of this? Inmates of private prisons are already used as slave labor for the enrichment of CCA (Corrections Corporation of America, a Texas company).

The federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition, belts, bullet proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens... 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Prisoners comprise 10% of the US workforce, and are only paid $0.23 an hour (well below the Chinese minimum wage). They do not charge UNION wages for this work, they charge between $1.75 and $2.30 an hour, which undercuts even the offshore suppliers, which, incidentally, is margins of 500% to 700%

While prison work is "voluntary" encouragement to participate includes anything you can imagine can be done to an inmate of a federal penitentiary, and a few things decent people would never imagine.

Why else would you imagine that the United States has a higher percentage of its population incarcerated than any other country in the world?

I think you've already guessed that I was being ironic. I've only read of some of the varieties of the shady ethical abuses in using prisoner labor in the USA. You clearly know (or have remembered) more of the details of the prison industry production than I have. Thanks for reminding me about the 'volunteering' part of the prison work. With the realities of our prison culture, I'm not surprised that the prisoners will be formally and informally pressured to join in becoming a 'volunteer' worker.

My only satirical idea (up above) is that some corporation in a competing industry might use influence in our government to impose high-cost mandatory prisoner workers as a punishment for 'bad' companies. If a corporation is a 'person' then maybe eventually the law will force a convicted corporation to pay extra prisoner labor costs as a punishment. That's not too likely, but it would make a bad made-for-tv sf movie.

Ah, the land of the free and the home of the brave...
God, I´m glad I´m European...

I'd say the whole idea is rather absurd.

A deterrent to illegal immigration?

Looks more like a decay of America's honor and morals of treating its fellow human beings. Imprisoning someone looking for a better life isn't justice. It's a travesty!

is it a sentence for illegal immigration or for providing false documentation to work?
either way, terribly corrupt