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Kabier finding greener pastures outside of the Community
7 years ago
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My fiance 
kabier was one of the users that resonated with the 'Furries are Toxic' video, deciding she's pretty much done with furry politics due to their juvenile behavior, drama and standards. She determined furry Twitter in particular is pure cancer and closed her account to remove all temptation to even browse it.
Her happiness and productivity greatly improved putting her self interest first. She picked up a second language, reconnected with her grandmother, booked our wedding and made a tonne of new friends by branching outside of the community. She tried experimenting with human art and posting it somewhere else, immediately it blows up to the front page of Reddit and gets a Direct shoutout from Pewdiepie on her first post. She's also blowing up on Newgrounds which is her new platform of choice if you would like to follow her there.
It doesn't even matter if Patreon gets 'woke' either as Subscribstar has propped up to take it's place. Accepts pretty much every payment option under the sun and there are zero restrictions on adult content. It really seems the only thing that was holding back her career were toxic, Politically Correct furries.
It's sobering to me. It really does seem I'm being ridiculously loyal to the furry community for no good reason. She made a point that I don't owe the community anything, not for my relationship or my career. In reality, furries are the reason why both of those things have been repeatedly threatened. The amount of people that would find satisfaction in ruining artistic pursuits, creative freedom and even long-term relationships is disgusting. Collaborating with furries has been more frequently a pain then ever, as I simply don't trust them to not make it political.
I still plan to make a furry platform but it will be for the fringe. Those that enjoy furry content but don't want to put up with the highschool bullshit. It'll be designed to be welcoming to artists that aren't strictly furry too. A middle-ground for those that want to branch out but don't want to completely abandon their interests. That's me right now. With all the negative PR the furry community is getting this year, it really is a sinking ship and I've learned it's not my responsibility to fix it. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink, much like I can preach about responsibility and accountability all day and get nothing but drama in return. I'll be making efforts like my fiance to be more self-centered, use Twitter only for self-promotion and use FA as a backup rather then a primary.
kabier was one of the users that resonated with the 'Furries are Toxic' video, deciding she's pretty much done with furry politics due to their juvenile behavior, drama and standards. She determined furry Twitter in particular is pure cancer and closed her account to remove all temptation to even browse it.Her happiness and productivity greatly improved putting her self interest first. She picked up a second language, reconnected with her grandmother, booked our wedding and made a tonne of new friends by branching outside of the community. She tried experimenting with human art and posting it somewhere else, immediately it blows up to the front page of Reddit and gets a Direct shoutout from Pewdiepie on her first post. She's also blowing up on Newgrounds which is her new platform of choice if you would like to follow her there.
It doesn't even matter if Patreon gets 'woke' either as Subscribstar has propped up to take it's place. Accepts pretty much every payment option under the sun and there are zero restrictions on adult content. It really seems the only thing that was holding back her career were toxic, Politically Correct furries.
It's sobering to me. It really does seem I'm being ridiculously loyal to the furry community for no good reason. She made a point that I don't owe the community anything, not for my relationship or my career. In reality, furries are the reason why both of those things have been repeatedly threatened. The amount of people that would find satisfaction in ruining artistic pursuits, creative freedom and even long-term relationships is disgusting. Collaborating with furries has been more frequently a pain then ever, as I simply don't trust them to not make it political.
I still plan to make a furry platform but it will be for the fringe. Those that enjoy furry content but don't want to put up with the highschool bullshit. It'll be designed to be welcoming to artists that aren't strictly furry too. A middle-ground for those that want to branch out but don't want to completely abandon their interests. That's me right now. With all the negative PR the furry community is getting this year, it really is a sinking ship and I've learned it's not my responsibility to fix it. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink, much like I can preach about responsibility and accountability all day and get nothing but drama in return. I'll be making efforts like my fiance to be more self-centered, use Twitter only for self-promotion and use FA as a backup rather then a primary.
Kind of the point. Just lots of that stupid whataboutism and "both sides are to blame" so we never learn the truth and stay confused.
When once again, one is actually pretty decent while other is the actual cancer, and kind of easy to determine which if you try.
I mean, I lean "left" as it were, believing in personal freedom and strong social security. But I can also appreciate the arguments of the opposing side, with a strong sense of identity and the value of not rushing changes. To me, it just seems like both are just the different sides of the same coin; both equally valuable in the right amount.
The ones I don't like are those who try to head to the extremes of either side, sacrificing liberty for security or the other way around. And that's pretty much the issue of today's political climate: People are too extreme, whichever side they're on. Whether it's SJWs or Alt-Righters, they both annoy me equally, because they are too uncompromising in their beliefs. They are extremists, and they only cause trouble for everyone, including their own side.
Maybe the "right" side is, indeed, right, and we've had a period of too much influence from the "left" side. But that doesn't mean we should cut them out completely. This isn't a revolution, it's an adjustment. And if you push too hard in either direction, it's just going to create a huge stink which'll make no one happy.
But yeah, that's my perspective anyway.
I think that yes, Sonicfox's speech was cringey, but he's entitled to his views and probably just expressed them poorly because he didn't have the time and/or skill to make a proper speech.
As for Jasonafex and Kabier? I have no clue. All I know is they're considered "alt-right furs" or something, which all the "woke furs" which are "in majority" dislike.
Basically, it's all an overblown issue and people should just get on with it. To be fair, I suppose we have a right to be sensitive if we feel like we're verbally attacked. But then again, we're furries! We used to distance ourselves from the weirder parts of our fandom back in the days, just shrugging off people who made jokes or crude comments about us as a collective, so I feel like we should know better...
SonicFox - Popular gaming competitor who games in fursuit and uses his platform to talk about/ doesn't shy away from the fact he is gay, black and a furry. Is either democratic or liberal leaning and sometimes mentions it.
Jason & Kabier - Popular furry artist and animator team that recently has become very vocal about their (unpopular) beliefs on Twitter and FA and have been caught using racist and transphobic behavior and other hot topic stuff. They believe that just about everyone who is left-leaning is an over politically correct liberal snowflake instead of taking responsibility on how some of their actions affect others. Kabier left twitter after they passed a rule that continuous and purposeful misgendering and harassment of users wasn't allowed (which was categorized as "Politically correct" by these two) Not commenting on other accusations besides those since I haven't seen proof for them.
I used to like them both because of their art, but it's started sounding like whiney child hour. Sometimes it's not "SJWs", some of us just don't want to say the N word and actually care about other people Jan.
There's plenty of receipts for all this too... they're proud of it.
(Honestly, just avoid these two and a few others and the furry fandom is pretty chill and only "political" when it centers around laws that hurt our fellow friends and fur family. And it's up to you to choose to take part in those. It's all who you follow.)
A fair ammount of furries are diverse, on the LGBTQIA spectrum, struggling with emotional and mental health issues, and wholly supporting of each other due to being "outcasts - and thus end up as a generally left leaning and quickly adaptive group. It's just a bad place in general for "me no likey change" individuals.
Aggressive love and support for our fellow furries XD
reflect on my behavior?
take a look in the mirror bub.
The problem in this community are people like you. YOU push away the talent and leave an echo-chamber in it's wake. Celebrate censorship and that is always the conclusion that follows.
If you want a broad spectrum of talent, that comes suit with a broad spectrum of interests, views and opinion. I would have zero issue with SJWs if they embraced more than carbon copies of themselves into the community.
You have a lot of positions to reconsider before you attempt to categorize Kabier and place yourself on your SJW pillar.
I’ve been following Jason & Kabier for 4, maybe 5 years. I’ve seen their content, posts, tweets, journals-etc. So while I don’t know them personally, that online content sums up a whole damn lot about a person.
I guess you could call me a liberal, but at the end of the day- my main standards are treating everyone with respect. Don’t care if you agree with it, or understand it. Don’t use racial slurs, don’t misgender people, and don’t generally be a massive dickwad. Somehow that’s becoming the “toxic anti-liberal agenda” because we stopped finding shitty behavior funny and started treating it like the well- shit that is is. People like J and K get so much slack because their preferred humor is just disrespectful garbage and they’re mad about it.
Is it really SO BAD to call someone by their preferred pronouns? Do you REALLY have to make that joke with the slur in it? No one cares if you’re doing it to make a point.
So to be honest- I don’t give a damn what Jason or Kabier believe politically. But again and again and again their behavior is edgy, disrespectful, and yes- sometimes racist and transphobic. And no- that’s not liberal code for something else. And somehow every time they shit on the floor- they are suprised when they step in it?!
Protect them all you like, but if one is truly a supporter of non censorship and “open discussion “ - they will realize actions have consequences. Maybe you know something secret about them I dont- but your online actions are the ones I’m going to judge you on, and these two have far used up their 3 strikes with no remorse.
No one on this site is a “Pillar” and none of us are important. But when you fail so hard at being a decent person you are infamous for it, sure, ill call you out and take a little heat for it. 💜
If that is your argument, then fuck right off mate.
Government has no legal right to compel speech by force if a person calls a biological man or woman by their natural gender. Medical science does not have a consensus on this topic, gender dysphoria is still a mental disorder, and to preach and grandstand otherwise is pure nonsense.
We'll call a person by any weird furry name they like, and we have no idea who is behind the screen, but as soon as we learn that calling someone certain names and pronouns really causes them discomfort - it becomes the most important thing in the world for you to do so.
Once by mistake - forgivable and honest offense. Repeatedly and persistently - At it's heart it's as a form of bullying, with the impact it has on the person.
Are you truly refusing to call someone by the name or pronoun they prefer for some impersonal reason? When we go along with stupid nicknames on the daily? Or at what point does it become a refusal to respect someones wishes in an effort to cause them harm and distress? If you KNOW it hurts someone, it takes a lot of mire to say "I don't care about your personal wellbeing, because I'm choosing THIS semantic occasion to preach free speech.
Call a big strong man in camouflage from my hometown "Susan" and I'm sure he'd punch someone out cold.
Putting yourself in their shoes, is it unreasonable to expect confusion, hurt, even anger as a response? By someone repeatedly pushing to call you something that they deem is more correct than your own experience? That for some reason how they see you is more correct than how you see yourself?
I hope in time it becomes as second nature as using nicknames for friends, whether you think the name suits them or not.
Gotta jet, but I'm just so frustrated and tired of being "Anti-PC" for the sake of being edgy and saying that you are, instead of maybe giving half a damn about your fellow people. Goodnight
Even people who transition from one gender to the other are 40% likely to commit suicide despite emotional support from family friends and medical treatment. 60% regret their choices from age 18-34.
You're proposing a bandaid solution to a far more complex and emotionally sensitive problem. Again medical science is not all in agreement with propriators of the transgender movement.
Seriously, you bring hope for the future with your rational perspectives and comprehension of forced change to quickly results in chaos and rebellion. It's not many that I see that seem to understanding that the political ideological 'right + left' isn't a horizontal line, but the West and East sides of a circle, where both extremes meet at North and true Libertarianism at South.
Kudos.
people have to pretty much reach out to other site's otherwise nothing get's done.
You can't act like you never went to a porn site and it said "YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO LOOK AT THIS" before you were that age and went "PFFFT Whatever dude" and clicked in anyways?
I think that is just the main issue with this and how they are deciding to hop around in this issue.
I am tired of seeing artists that solely rely on fame that they forget what the actual meaning is when sharing content and such.
that is mainly the concern is how shitty they are acting to people who supported them and such and assuming they get free ass pat's online when that's not how things work.
And for Australia: What is the Australia Age of Consent?
The Age of Consent in Australia is 16 years old. The age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity.
Australia also has a close-in-age law for 15 and under within 5 years.... so you're still wrong?
And pedophilia isn't for people in that age range: Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
So what's the issue?
And how under aged are we talking about? 12? 8?
Forgive And Forget I'll Always Love Her Art No Matter What Anyone Thinks & I Would Of Behaved If She Told Me:3
I Still Dunno Why She Blocked Me But Sorry To What Ever I Did Some People Just Don't Get Me Sometimes:(
But Hey Jasonafex Thanks For Sharing This Tell Her I Said Sorry And I'll Be Here If You Ever Wanna Talk:D
An OCD Thing That I Started Now It Just Feels Normal:3
Again, Your school taught you or you learned from the School .... were wrong :).
your types of those are hard to read :\.
And Yes My School Sucked I Was Always In The Special Classes!?
Sorry If It's Hard To Read You Should Of Seen My Handwriting I Wrote In Code:P
It's Never About Me Only About Them!?
I Don't Hate Either Should Anyone Else?
My Reason! My Life! Forgive & Forget:3
You Totally Get It:3
I could be wrong so don't take my word for this, Twitter is just a ces pool right now.
I Guess That's Why FA Is So Good It's Just Easy To Get Noticed:D
But Yeah Blocks Can Be Something Good Or Bad It Depends!!!
Twitter i pretty much went too after Tumblr full-on shot them self's due to the new rule so it has been hard to find my feet again but trying other places seems okay so far.
I'm all for blocks only if there is a good reason behind it, i see it as pointless spam if someone has an open mind and someone will block for the sheer fact with someone not daring to agree with them.
DA has these problems allot,i have been blocked countless of time's and allot of the time i have never even spoken to the user.
I tend to forget most of the time why someone blocks me as well, my memory never serves me well XD
No One These Days Ever Really Cares Much Anymore:(
It's All Just A Swing And A Miss Everywhere You Go...
For a site to care is too much to ask and after Tumblr/DA doing updates yeah i'm just tired now of most of it >.<
Aye agreed as well!
Things should get better in the end though, it just takes time.
Best of luck for Kabier in her future projects.
I dunno.. I both love and have disdain for the community.
We shall see where the road leads and if it's worth my sanity following it; right now am having fun but who's to say I wont Mosey off elsewhere XD.
Keep yourself sane, and keep being awesome.
And with that, have a nice whatever time of day it is.
The platform we are making will actually be more uncensored then anything you are used to.
(Also, the most censorship I've ever encountered furry-wise is Pixiv artists censoring their work on their own volition lol)
Passively posting content is a message of support. FA isn't changing anytime soon for the better and if we want to enjoy the furry community, a new platform is needed. It's not just the politics that are grating, the entire content distribution loop is a pain.
Then again, I'm a person that doesn't care about others in general as long as they don't get in my way directly :P Maybe being a niche "artist" helps with avoiding all that noise.
FA is only as good as it's content is the point I'm trying to make.
We furries are not toxic in nature, just politics have made their way into our society, where the norm is not controlling in any way, thus creating a more "toxic appearing" community than it actually is. Without political views in our place of safety, we are a very nice people. I've read most of your posts through here, and not once have I seen an insulting comment. Despite all the flak you get from more 'hate filled people, you seem to keep a very cool head, Jason. I wish you two the best of luck in your lives.
>Gets called out
>Complains that twitter is toxic
lol okay
I cant even, they would both be happier if they would not do stuff like that.
Like not hate on someone, edit videomaterial to make them look bad and then post a picture they made for said person in 2015 and act like its new shit and they are best buds.
> People got offended because they don't like edgy humor
> offended people raise a flame war
> how dare anyone have a sense of humor I don't like
there, fixed it for you.
how predictable.
2. nobody is the authority on humor.
3. Humor is to each their own, what's funny to me might not be funny to you, doesn't mean it isn't funny, it just means you don't find it funny
4. you aren't objectively right just because you have a certain point of view that you feel good about
5. I would argue that trying to dictate to people what they can and can't find funny is objectively bad
Sarah Silverman also freaked out over a construction symbol on a neighborhood street claiming it was a Nazi marking.
Alt Left members aren't very bright, so I'll have to take your opinion with the same regard as the ramblings of a village idiot.
Seeing you talk to "The Furry Community" as if you could shepherd it has honestly got me pretty concerned. Like if you took the comment section away from these journals and only looked at what you've said in a vacuum, it kinda seems like you're on a downward spiral of schizophrenia. Talking and ranting up on a soapbox where most people are content to just ignore you, nevermind cheers or jeers. You keep stepping up there to preach, and talk like you're gonna change the community yourself by just making a site or going somewhere else. Not trying to say you can't, I just don't see any reason to believe you.
All you do is throw shade somewhere else, using that hate like rocket fuel to propel yourself somewhere. Where? Iunno. It'll be interesting to see where you go from here but I can't tell the future. All you have to say is that someone or something is bad and I just don't agree with you, often.
If you wanna be really happy, I suggest you just pull the lever and get it over with, you know? If you got beef with FA, boycott it. If you got beef with twitter, boycott it.
So far as I can tell you're sticking to it like it's an addiction and you're fighting with withdrawal. No matter what you say on the matter you have my sympathies. It'd be really great if you were confident to just do what you wanna do without giving explanation to anyone. Let people who don't like you or like you come and go. But you keep getting bent on the people who don't like you, or you don't like.
Maybe that kinda destructive thinking is your style, I just don't get it.
Best of luck. Toodles.
Don't like the journals and updates? Don't read them.
THIS is a hot take and almost for sure bait. Imagine if life and the workplace worked that way, with everything you disagreed with you just ignored.
I'm sorry you seem to be rather confused about reality.
and if y'all still want to leave you 2 had one hell of a run
If you want us to keep using something, put effort in to make it better. FA sucks, Twitter sucks, it's not that absurd of a concept.
Wow, you've really put yourselves on a pedestal if you want the whole community to kowtow to what you think would make FA or Twitter better. A lot of people on FA and Twitter don't think they suck and are having meaningful interactions every single day.
I'm not popular enough myself to know how much trouble these so called PC people cause you, but can't you just ignore them and keep doing what you love? You want to force your brand of tolerance into people who may take exception to what you say or do? That's probably not going to happen.
Good luck!
I think that's how conversations happen. One person speaks their mind, and another responds. But claiming their arrogance based on that seems rather superficial.
And it's probably saying that him and his wife should die in house fires and need to be purged off the Earth are things he's calling toxic. Because that is toxic.
I honestly haven't seen what made the fandom hate Jason or his fiance so much, but justified or not, what I have seen from people he wasn't speaking to has been toxic in itself.
But again, as a person who is looking in from outside a window, I see the vulgarity and mud slinging going one direction and can understand why someone would back out of that mess.
Personally, I think everyone needs to calm down and stop being so divided. Things are taken out of context quickly, intent is to often assumed now-a-days, nobody asks for the other side to clarify, and if you don't agree you can do just that or walk away.
Calling for torturous death of someone's mate is horrific in any case. That should be saved for murderers and rapists, not artists you have an ideological difference with. To much damn tribalism, especially here in the fandom.
Also, I wouldn't put too much value n that pewds art - that's the low hanging fruit. But I whish her the best nonetheless.
at the end, just do what makes you happy. take a timeout and see how you fare, for example. would be sad to lose you, but honestly, I'd probably fuck off as well if there were so many people with a hate boner for me
Want to discourage radical zealots? Have an open and free platform where all ideas are equal. Sucking your own dick will frequently become challenged. It's why furries are considered cringey and socially inept to normies. They never take uncomfortable steps outside of the bubble. Escapism, especially from personal responsibility is rampant here.
and it is pretty hypocritical to say you don't trust people taking things politically when that's what you often post about as well, even if it's passed off as joking.
As long as someone is a pop fur/popular person why should they even have to admit to their faults lol? i mean to them it's such of an unheard thing for someone who is popular for them to apparently ''not have faults''.
Remove censorship from the equation and you would have no where near the amount of vitriol being thrown around. People aren't a fan of being told what their beliefs should be, rather than discussing them like adults.
I have no investment in any of this. I don't take issue with it and I'm far too old to be concern with drama llamas anymore. Just telling you what I have seen from observation and my own experience. Take it or leave it as you wish.
As for evidence, there are occasional screencaps popping up on Twitter regarding this sort of thing. Someone shared an image of Kabier making a meme using those two words toward SonicFox. I didn't save a link to the tweet as that didn't seem necessary, if you look around you can probably still find it.
That being said there are far more effective ways to condemn Sonicfox for his toxic behavior when he had that brief 15 minutes of fame.
Also repeating said offensive language in this comment section (not you but others) is totally vile and unacceptable.
It's been known they make somewhat insensitive jokes now and then. I'm not going to go social justice warrior over it, since other more practical problems concern me far more, plus I've been following Jasonafex enough to know he's an okay person at the end of the day. But just as I enjoy Jason presenting the other side of the argument when some people go overboard, I prefer to also criticize those things when I think they need to be more aware of them.
Problem is with social media is that shit cannot be erased, so you should think carefully before posting stuff.
Normally don't get involved in this shit, but since people keep bringing it up but failing to link an archive I thought I'd just give you the evidence everyone else seems to have misplaced.
Context matters, allot, if she'd used it to talk about how stupid a thing it is to call someone it'd be different. However directly calling a black gay man such, and thinly veiling it as "but muh memes" is pretty low. I may not like SonicFox but I'm not about to directly call him that, I'd rather debate him on his views given the chance.
Inb4 deleted by Jason...
I avoid social media like the plague it is, I like to think that was a good life decision.
Sorry to hear you guys get so much hate, being popular makes you a lightning rod for both all the positive and negative. And like they say the vocal minority unfortunately feels like the majority, so just keep both your heads up!
Also, I think its a little unfair to blacklist everyone who's exclusively furry. I know there are horrible people in the community, but I think labeling the whole because of what a few do doesn't seem right. I don't know. I'm just talking at this point.
Hopefully you guys find happiness in whatever you guys do, and I'll still be keeping an eye on your art.
Also dozens of youtubers are facing issues not just PewDiePie and I’m getting tired of everyone telling me to describe or support him even though I don’t like his content anymore when I was younger i used to like it But now I feel like he’s just getting scale and to be honest he has more enough money to retire on so yeah you’re not getting my vote.
Also finally went all social media platforms still have to make money and it’s kind a hard to make money when your social platform gets denied by multiple companies because of certain content being show or well known for. Does it violating the terms of free speech and expression “yes” “no” that’s for people to decide not the faw.
Also what pisses me off more is when people break everyone into groups/categories because they are not Single individuals but there just whatever they’re fighting for. A soldier doesn’t fight wars because they want to kill they wish to protect, A Gay guy didn’t go around fucking every dude he sees, not every white person hates black people and so on and so on so grow up and treat it like adults your all human so stop Breaking yourself into the typical stereo groups that only give your side a bad name!... sorry I’m just so stressed out and I’m just getting tired of dealing with this crap.
Again sorry for the word wall but I’m just done dealing with everyone’s fucking drama and stuff but before I takeoff again have a good wedding you two and I wish you both happiness
2. I wish you both the best of luck.
problem is also that some thing community is great it is not
or that its utterly terrible it is not
iv been in many communities , iv been in furry fandom longer then i am on FA , would i consider it toxic? sightly
would i consider most communities i was part toxic? yes
do i know any community whos not toxic? no
I watched the video of that dragon guy and while it makes lots valid points i care to question..where are these people asking for sex , wanting to RP or pestering others , i not seen most for like decade , i met some toxic furries but i met toxic people in EVERY FANDOM
my tip is , be part of fandom but only part of it , dont let it go into your head you are yourself. you dont owe fandom anything.
I could make this longer , explain , and so but on end of the day its pretty common sense , too many furries consider being a furry as second job , and thats unhealthy in any fandom.
You guys been in pony fandom? or anime fandom? you guys know how its there? no , good. its not better:)
Attending conventions to get drunk, fuck and parade in a fursuit for photos just isn't appealing. We want to host panels, teach and elevate people. Responsibility is frowned upon and anything that centers around maturity is considered an alt-right belief. Pushing for higher standards in this community is like sand paper, look at FA and what users are willing to put up with.
There are plenty of communities out there that have higher standards, staying here is flat out limiting.
Convention things , well it happens oh my god people get drunk everywhere and its problem of any con
Only problem with furry fandom con are people who organise the cons are very soft and "wont kick people out" or give people too many chances
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmULc5VANsw
and in retrospect that makes people behave worse because no rules are enforced
Furry cons are bad? ever herd of dash con? or that celebrity con 25$k dollars a ticket who turned a scam?
if you think other communities have standards you are completely wrong:) , with cons? that would be true , creators of furry con needs to have standard so "these people who dont usualy behave will behave or get kicked out" otherwise fandom is fine
Before i joined furry fandom(i know this will make me sound old but i joined internet quite young) and iv been in a lot other communities before , after i joined furry fandom and in all honesty i dont see furries making more drama then other communities.(i can be biased but i usually tend to be very objective about furies) , only thing i can admit is furries drama tends to be more sex/fetish centred
When i played WoW and was in guild that was drama , oh god this post would be too short to mention it all.
"Furries ruin everything"
Takes on literal meaning.
I am deeply saddened this has happened.
But, I'm also happy and relieved tgat you're happy and pursuing your career and enjoying it.
Keep on Rocking, Jasonafex and Kabier!
Cheers.
All fandoms have their toxicity and 'woke' clique within them though, no matter what, there'll always be those that'll want to see you fail.
And as you stated, you don't owe anyone anything. You and those you care for should come first, you can't force change on others that're too blind.
I wish you and Kabier the best as I'd wish anyone that, I'll be looking forward to see what you two do in the 2019 year!
Sending you both positive gucci vibes, take care!
"N***er F***ot"
hope i get to see your stuff around ^^
I'm not even being critical of it either, I'm just curious as to why you would waste your own time to comment something completely ignorable to someone who you claim not to like, yet went out of your way to belittle.
I find this behavior baffling. I don't stalk people I don't like.
Why do you? Or am I misinterpreting something here, which is a reasonable possibility. *nod*
This philosophy has changed, for some. But not all.
I wish I could convince Kabier and you to feel at peace with being Furries that show other Furries what kind of community they want. I think you could do this kind of thing.
Make your own Furry community. The furries who tear us apart will not be there, if you refuse them. Step in and encourage everyone to again stand above politics, for example.
I will miss Kabier so bad, I don't have words. I've always enjoyed her art, and I was miserable for a time when she sort of stopped having her Lion King inspired persona, but then learned to love the new. But she was still a Furry, and she was ... well, where the other Furries are.
New Grounds, to me, that's ... a site for flash games? I didn't even know they had adult content at all there.
I wish she would build something with you. You'd be awesome at it.
I do not approve of jokes in bad taste, and I do not approve of racism or prejudice deliberately to harm others. So you can stop attempting to lump me in with all of your character assassinations.
Also, if they're big bois and girl enough to clean up, what's your end game? c:
I'm curious to know what PC comments I made when I'm shit talking to the lizzo and shibba. Again, you're selling yourself short for doing this without some pay.
However, that is a very weak straw-man deflection at best.
An avatar doesn't make your point valid dude, and deep down you know it.
If you want to win the discussion, you have to do it reasonably and honorably, or else why fight at all?
You may find behavior like that as an acceptable standard for how furries present themselves in public, but I do not.
Unlike you, I judge based on the merits of ones character.
You say to me its not healthy to be obsessed over this but its hard to pry away when it keeps coming back. Here you are bringing up toxic furs again, my point, these types of people keeps coming back affecting us but all we can do is express, voice ourselves, and not give up. Its easy to quit but its hard when some of us need to make a living, we still need our community.
I love my watchers, i love my supporters, my friends, its just the ones who come in trying to look for attention whether its positive or negative, thinking this is a safe haven, a place to be accepted but they start trouble making people wish they never found furry. That video you linked on youtube explaining about how people use furry to be safe, the guy says its not safe, and hes right.
If people want to come in to be accepted for being different or whatever, one can not come in and start trouble talking shit to people, causing drama, and issues. It begs the question, why bother joining if one insults or heckles other people while looking for acceptance? Right? I mean why bother right? hehe so its back to the mental issues. Its just crazy. Been a furry since 2000, i notice the change and its been getting worse as young people coming in. It starts to make the community look like NickToons.
I feel for you guys, and i am glad you brought up the subject from the start only because no one has said anything yet, finally someone said something. I just hope people can learn from this, and change themselves for the better of themselves, and the community. Love yuhz Jasonafex, and i am glad to hear your girl is doing better. Keep working hard, be strong, and move away from crazy people. Good luck.
i think just being a popular person apart of the fandom makes you more vulnerable to getting painted a target for the drama and toxic parts the fandom. but thats just the risks that comes with being famous for most people in the fandom.the experience between a member of the fandom who is and isnt famous can be significantly different after all. it definately can make it harder to find the right group of people to hangout with that dont have alternate motives behind why they want to try befriending you.
but regardless im sorry to hear that you and kabs experience with the fandom has been rough. if leaving the fandom feels like the best thing to do to get away from the overwealming fame and drama its understandable. by the end of the day i wish the best for you two and i hope you both have a merry christmas this december! ^^
People's views of people and opinions doesn't reflect mental health. I've met a shit ton of people with mental illness who are never involved in drama and live their lives to themselves. Quite frankly I never really got involved in Jasonafex's drama until the last journal. Only here in there over a long as period of time when something stupid was said but again; last time was attack mode due to their behavior because it has gotten outta control.
But I guess people's views that don't pertain to yours I guess are mentally ill and you must be a god. You're not. I'm not. Jasonafex and Kabier are not. The people on both sides in the comments are not. When it comes to the toxic fur things well problem there is that when people point it out and accuse that well there will be retaliation. What do you expect? He and her cause non-stop drama but point fingers at everyone else and can never apologize for their nonsense. Like Jasonafex made a heavily edited version of Sonicfox's speech making him stutter over a minute long. But then he points and screams "TOXICITY!!!" when people call him out. That behavior is toxic. Kabier sharing images calling Sonicfox "nigger faggot" and racially exaggerated images of him. But she'll cry toxicity when she's called out.
Sorry, shitty behavior causes shitty responses. But if you're good at art or are "gifted" at tween-animations you can get away with it. The furry community can be pretty fucking annoying sometimes but projecting your behavior onto others and then blaming them for their responses that you fueled then you're the problem. Literally degrading everyone and putting yourself on the pedestal... people aren't gonna take it. But it's their fault! I don't think so.
It most certainly does Dragonley. And it holds true to any stupid things that YOU say or do as well.
Also, nobody was forcing you to look at that.
Its good to hear things are getting way better for you two! Hope to still see some more great stuff from you and kabs :)
Go shit in your bathtub, useless dog.
If I didn't know any better I'd say you're the triggered one judging from your response to others opinions...
It's only a furry on the internet with a puppet tool on Adobe Aftereffects using other people's artwork, you don't have to be mad, it's only game.
Also it should be noted that every bit of drama ever regarding you was either instigated or encouraged by yourself(*cough*e621*cough*). You saying it's everyone elses fault is nothing short of a delusion. You've spent the last several years doing some of the most stupid shit I've long seen somebody do with a straight face, and still being close-minded enough to believe it's everybody elses fault.
But yeah, good luck with your...what is it now....7th endeavor or something? That'll probably fail due to incompetence or poor planning and end up a stagnant patreon page like all your other plans to date?
I don't even know why I bother writing all of this.
A) Unwatch and not say another word
B) Politely disagree in the comment section or Twitter
C) Ignore the post(s) and continue watching for pornz
What the Alt Left tends to do, and the mentally challenged child adults do, is rant, harass, throw out charactization slurs, and react to EVERY single thing that Jasonfex says and does on social media, essentially validating his concerns.
If you want to keep talent around, make the experience more enjoyable. FA is terrible and conventions have become a political circle-jerk. When it's not that, it's sex, drugs and attention seeking behavior. Very few actually care about a higher standard.
There is a reason I support free speech. Not to protect my speech, but to protect the speech of those I disagree with.
I'm not a hardcore furry, I don't have fursuits and I don't attend a lot of cons, and I'm not a lifestyler either. But I feel connected. I feel a lot better when this kind of thought is shared with people I personally find interesting. I appreciate Kabier for her artwork, and both you and her for the podcasts and streaming. It is a comforting thought to see people like you, people I find to be good, right here. There is a void when you leave, and no one could replace you. I'd honestly feel like a loss, because I am sort of attached to the good parts of this community.
I'm able to fave yours & Kabier's NSFW stuff, then all's good between us.
also, I wish you both the best on yer wedding day
I love how Jason brags about her getting a "direct shout-out from Pewdiepie" as if it were some type of medal.
Yes, her art was mentioned. Wherein he briefly chuckled and then closed by saying, "I would never say the n-word though so I don't understand."
Stop trying to make the n-word happen. It's not going to happen, and both of you are pathetic for making it your centerpiece.
But due to being a real Australian, i'm gonna be courteous and nice.
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You and your girlfriend might wanna take anatomy classes and get your eyes checked, you got two left feet mate.
See ya later Mate
As long as you don't support Trump.
SMH.
Loving how exclusive the Fandom has become, and how toxic it's become to just about anyone.
The creative space that was once a bastion for artists has become Politically Correct and therefore censcored for wrong think.
Well, fuck it.
Maybe the fandom shoukd die off and we stay discrimated against, harassed and stereotyped.
We don't deserve anything else but ire.
lol.
But.
I don't see anyone screaming about that.
Hence the toxic atmosphere.
And it's funny.
PewDiePie says Nazi or the N word once, he's targeted by SJWs, yet here in this comment section i see people using it CONSTANTLY.
Hypocritical Political Repression.
There's no doubt there's toxicity in the fandom, but Jasonafex and Kabier have no room to complain when they spread that toxic atmosphere then run away when called out on and cry "FOUL!"
It's not a "What About" case if it actually happens, it makes it relevant.
I do not support nor approve of Discrimination or use of Discriminatory slang.
But it's also not my Right to try and restrict someones expression.
I can call said person a douchebag, hut I just can't flat out say "you can't say that because-insert reason-"
You open up dialog and then debate it out like civilized people.
This goes for both sides and to he Frank, both Left and Right are equally pathetic and lacking in the discussion and debate spectrum.
It's causing me, personally, to he desensitized and detached.
I do agree with the annoyance towards the left and right though. Can't take a step towards either without being labeled by the hundreds of different words they both possess.
We're both not wrong per se, just different ways of saying or describing it.
But seems to me you find it okay to degrade blacks just because people degrade whites? Sorry that's still racism.
It's more wise to find it wrong both ways instead of, "oh political repression that a side is racist". Yeah that's dumb for an excuse to allow racism towards blacks because in the end if you ask me... thinking it's okay to be racist back due to hypocritical repression really doesn't seem that'll solve racism. It makes it worse. It encourages both sides.
You just reacted in a kneejerk fashion.
You're looking to start an argument where there isn't one.
That's why people HATE Liberals.
I took a bipartisan route and STILL get labeled.
There just isn't any middle ground or compromise.
Everyone who has been typing out these inflammatory/ vile terminology against black Americans have all been Leftists. And they seem to be under the impression that typing it out to prove their points or to somehow directly "quote" Jasonafex are in and of it self offending any black person who happens to be scrolling the comments. So knock it the fuck off already.
Left wing classical liberal, not a racist bone in my body. Judging someone for the content of their character is not the same as discriminating against their entire Identity Group. You can excuse absolutely anything with that logic.
No-one is running around calling people the n-word, that is hyperbolic. You can use the same tactic to scrub context from anything and make it racist/sexist/phobic etc. All it takes is hate and intolerance to achieve.
Also seems to me Kabier shared that post calling Sonicfox a "nigger faggot". But nobody seems to be running around calling people the n-word. Right? Yikes.
All I ever hear in defense of radical leftists is 'But the bad words!'. Do you ever plan to evolve the conversation beyond that?
If you don't like shock humor, don't follow her Gab. You are the ones introducing that rhetoric to this journal, no-one else.
That's some damned fine biased and entirely subjective points you're putting forward here to bolster a point you have no business making, mate. Do you always try to support your stand point's foundation with nonsensical, unprovable, biased, and entirely fabricated bullshit? Cause that's the kind of shit that makes adults leave too. Here, I'll prove it to you. Bye. \o
Proven Jasonafex right again.
No civil discourse, just shouting, flailing, ad hominem throwing toxicity.
Jesus.
He's got as much business making the point as you do, unless of course your claiming to be an authoritarian; dictating what people can and can't say. Trying to make your point is part of having a discussion, just like what he was taking about.
He's not in a court right now, so he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. It would help, but I'm pretty sure he's not going to toss in screen-caps proving a negative in every reply for every potential rebuttal. That's just not feasible.
As for fabricated; unless you have proof that what he said is false, then your using your experience (which is a major causes to form a bias, btw) to claim that 'something that didn't happen to me couldn't have happened at all'; which is a preposterous claim.
Adults have discussions, not drive-by replies. Don't post n ignore or claim to walk away; that's juvenile and makes you look scared to handle the conversation like an adult, which is what you claim you are.
Leaving a conversation before a conclusion has been made is exactly what he was talking about with the maturity of having a conversation without being rude to the other party, and what you were arguing against mind you. You actually proved points of his posts correct in how you responded. :/
"They literally wouldn't act out if the right wing didn't act out."
Who started the Pussy March? Who threatened to blow up the White House? Who assaults Maga Hat wearing citizens and blocks traffic? Your party. Please go read a history book or two you ignaramus.
As long as you don't call black people the N word, F word, be transphobic, homophobic, a dog fucker, or a pedophile. Because seriously you'd have to be a pretty shit person to do any or all of those.
Which means that should he directed at both parties, not just one.
I have been called every single one of those labels, as has pretty much every person I have met with an opinion even slightly out of the SJW bubble. Consider how many furries are painted as 'alt-right' or conservatives painted as fascists. It's very easy to do and buying into that rhetoric without any challenge it's a sure fire way to corrupt any community. That's how people start believing censorship is a good idea, you can shut down people you don't like, no extra effort needed.
If you disagree, step outside the box or oppose a Liberal, SJW, Leftist/e.
You'll typically be called Alt Right, a Trump supporter, Fascist, Nazi, Racist etc etc.
It's the fact there isn't any civil discourse or discussion..... Let alone debate.
Maybe the Right is wrong too, but I pay attention to the frequency of occurance on the Left and they are taking the cake by a huge margin.
The sad truth is the furry fandom in and of itself is considered a form of delinquency. As such it attracts all types who may/may not share other forms of delinquency. But at the very least there is a far greater freedom in expressing it.
When the line is already being pushed outside the realm of "normal" it's easier to push it further without judgement.
This unfortunately attracts toxicity. People who are shitbags because they have no consequences of being as such. No judgement, no penalty, why tf not?
It's inevitable in a space like this. But I personally think knowing that helps deal with it.
Not saying you're obligated to of course. You do you and like I said best of luck! Mostly just food for thought. I learned early on yo expect a higher percentage of assholes, creeps, and downright freaks within this community. Why? Because to normal society we're all already letting a freak flag fly. The envelope is pushed, bounderies are extended etc. It feels safer for people to stretch it further here. And since many don't have anywhere else to do so AND it's the internet? You've got a recipe for toxicity.
It's why people are leaving.
Give it time, man. You'll pull some more stupid shit outside of the furry community that'll further add to the arsenal witnessed on your encyclopedia dramatica, and I will not be surprised at all when you'll no doubt find yet another scapegoat to blame your own stupid behavior and its subsequent consequences on.
Who said I was left?
Alt Left? What alt left? The dumb fat fucks wearing soviet sickles ruining colleges? Antifa? I’d call them incels too. Your assumption game just shows how pathetic you are here too mister arm chair politician. My family came from Germany, I was raised in the south. I’m getting a gun lisence soon. I am friends with two police officers, a member of the Navy, and while I didn’t vote for Trump I sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary and would like for her to be imprisoned.
The alt left, the REAL alt left ruined my home country for decades. The real alt lefts continue to ruin Europe as a whole. The real alt left would like to prevent me from legally obtaining a weapon because guns scare their sexually retarded incel minds. It’s affecting this country as well. Incels are the people like you who have time to sit at home on your little computer and try and play internet philosopher. Correct your stupid.
Do you literally have nothing better to do?
It's time to stop.
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If you want to call 244 followers "blowing up" for something you've been promoting close to a month. That and edgy humor about a year old meme usually goes well with the 9 years old crowd of Youtube Pewd fans (She forgot the bridge tho).
"She made a point that I don't owe the community anything."
You know, except the artwork you've manipulated via After Effects all coming from artists (who are mainly furry).
"It really seems the only thing that was holding back her career were toxic, Politically Correct furries."
Y'all squeal about safe spaces but then run away at the slightest bit of controversy, going into places like Gab or Newgrounds where you'll remain in obscurity while cackling at "owning the libs" by saying faggot and nigger all the time. This isn't something political, it's people recognizing when someone doesn't follow what they soapbox about.
I'm probably pissing at the wall here and this won't really mean much in the end.
48 hours.
>If you want to call 244 followers "blowing up"
For a single post it is. That is more watches then we get per post on FA.
> except the artwork coming from artists (who are mainly furry).[/i]
Easily done in any other community. I don't need to animate furries.
Going into places like Gab or Newgrounds where you'll remain in obscurity
Furries are obscure fam. Fantasy/Human art is mainstream. It's clear already that with less effort we can garner far more exposure and opportunity over being restricted here.
You seem compelled to twist the truth about every single thing presented to you.
It's as though a new fandom is needed, one that is NOT as all-accepting, just so we can have peace and fun again.
Pop the bubbles, bring people together and actually have them discuss their opinions rather then have it left entirely to assumption, which often leads to all this straw-manning and Nazi witch-hunts. Radicalism only works in bigoted echo-chambers. A lack of censorship would push the community closer to the center.
Or maybe that's just my passive-aggressive tendencies coming out again, saying to just move on and let the problem solve itself.
Question though, if you guys do drop FA and Patreon, where can I keep following you guys on that can be considered an active platform for you?
I'm putting my focus on the new platform and seeing how that goes. Once it's out, I won't really use FA either as I don't enjoy it. There are better ways to interact with people and post art.
Well, when you've decided, let me know what you guys will be using primarily, and I'll follow ya there. I barely use FA as is anyway, I've only got 6 artists I follow on here who are still active, and with you two leaving that's gonna be down to 4. XD
> I dislike toxic fans
> don't blame me, blame others
> it's fine for my finance to go around saying the ''n'' word and so forth, why are you people so offended?
> It's fine for me to go take the piss out of other furry's,becasue nothing will happen to my image!
> you are all trump supporters if you do not agree with how i feel.
I'm all for people going online and expressing how they feel, but it also upon sad allot of the time when people rely solely on fame and forget the world around them.
I read this journal and other's and it seems nothing but a child throwing toy's out of his pram lol
You can call people who disagree with you and your fiance all you like, it's empty words at the end of the day and desperation.
It's also laughable as not everyone is in the USA, i could say i do not support trump/politics is nothing i care for/Brexit is a joke and may needs to be booted out.
What would that then make me or others? ''toxic people'' Nah.
Not everyone will pander action's like this online, you have good art and so does your finance it is just a shame you have used fame like this and are using fan's to make a personal army.
I have seen how you react to most comment's/hiding/going on twitter and making it a ces pool and then assuming you ''must be right'' in everything and trying to act or play like god when no one has the power to make a site that is ''safe''.
i could make a new deviant art if i wanted too and within 5 minutes and not even that no matter what rules i have someone will post something and it will follow and follow that break the rules.
You need to take a step back and realise this kind of behaviour is not okay online.
You can take my comment however you like, i have had worse reply's before/people name calling like 5-year-olds and I've only been on the net for 12 years lol
It is up to you how you take this, Karma is just very much real and it does not matter where you go online.
Not a threat, just saying from personal experience.
You are confused because your strawman doesn't even remotely reflect my actual views. I have never used 'Trump supporter' as an insult, infact I consider trump supporters very respectable people. It's called tolerance and actually speaking with the people you disagree with, you may learn something.
> It's also laughable as not everyone is in the USA
Yeah, like me and Kabier.
> You need to take a step back and realize this kind of behavior is not okay online.
Censorship is actually the bubbled opinion no normie agrees with. No-one likes puritanical authoritarians, that's why you state you encounter friction everywhere you go. It may be surprising to you, but people don't enjoy having the opinions of strangers shoved down their throat.
Free speech is the opposite of a safe space, that is the entire point.
GOOD LUCK! LOVE YOU GUYS
For what it's worth, I've been considering a similar shift myself for the past year, and even the initial re-establishing of myself in mainstream circles has been well-received. Perhaps it's due to different attitudes, but it just as well may be due to the wider audience. There's certainly nothing wrong pursuing another avenue of expression or income either way. It's fun to be drawing humans again, too~
I wish you both the best of luck in future endeavors here and elsewhere, and I look forward to what you share with everyone.
With blackjacks, and hookers!
Good luck you winner.
I agree with you on a lot. The wave of censorious political bullshit that has gone through the fandom has driven away a lot of my friends who were furries exactly so that they could escape the troubles of IRL. A lot of people I know are accused of all sorts of horrible things simply for not agreeing with someone else on a particular point, and with entities like furry twitter being what it is, they end up getting brigaded and drummed out over some strawman. This isn't the fandom I joined back in 05.
Yet I do think you two push the edgelord button a bit too hard and too often. I get that you are trying to make a point about free expression; if the activists can all sound off and demonise people at will, why not their detractors? However don't you think this is rather pissing in an ocean of piss? The goal here should have been to get people to check their activism and politics at the door- politics is inherently divisive, there is no way to state your views and not have someone sperg out at you for doing so. Nor does it have any relevance to the fandom, a community about art and anthros. I feel you have contributed to this problem more than helped it by giving those of a censorious, misrepresentative bent a target to point at, squeal and call a nazi when mostly it seems you are just critical of progressive zealots.
Go make your new section outside of FA, shut out everyone who disagrees with your pathetic worldview, and leave the rest of us in peace. TIA
I do believe they were doing it with intent to be humorous. It's definitely not as bad as someone actually being serious about it, but people need to understand that even in this format it can come off badly to those who have faced persecution. If you're a black person who was a victim of racism for instance, you understandably aren't going to be happy with someone you follow suddenly throwing N-word jokes around. It depends on the exact details and context of said joke of course.
Nearly every post atacking him you have replied with some smart ass comment saying how they are just as bad or where is your proof etc, so don't stand there and lie further please it just makes you look silly and imature.
The context of some of the slurs was framed in a joke of terrible tastes, and were not directly attacking any marginalized groups.
Yeah now Jasonafex is Trump right? He's harassing and insulting disabled kids was it? Have any proof or nah?
You disgust me feeling the need to defend someone who has scammed and lied to his so called fans on multiple occasions, the whole situation is toxic and I'm done arguing with someone who refuses to accept the truth despite it being shown to him by others.
They both acted like children and treated anyone not known in the fandom like garbage, and then once all of thier childish horrible behaviour had gone too far the intelligent people lost all respect and refused to associate with them. Hence them leaving the platform to find a new one where they can restart the entire toxic cycle all over again.
And lastly Kabier left Twitter because she was called out on being racist so the comment about the negativity on twitter was pure BS especially since she is known for being toxic on the platform, if you are going to attack someone else for saying the truth atleast know and understand the full picture thank you very much.
You 2 are were really nice, polite, and a pleasure to meet irl, and that to me is
something I won't forget. Times will bring obstacles, but everyone can overcome them
and only clearing the way to a brighter future no matter where the roads take you.
There are two sides to every story, right? How come the truthful side is being pretended it hasn't been told.
But when people like you get censored, it's not ok?
Mmmmmmmm.
Double Standards are delicious.
More ad hominem.
Not fun when the shoe's on the other foot, huh?
You guys are funny asf.
We're degenerates and incels, in a fandom that largely fantasizes about Rape, because the Pot calling the Kettle black isn't a thing.
LOL
Classy.
Oh, and apparently I'm relevant enough for you to respond.
But then again, you did call me a degenerate on a website that is literally nothing but degeneracy.
Seriously.
Pot, meet Kettle.
It's why I like arguing with SJWs, or w/e you call yourself nowadays.
No substance, no real argument.
Just non-stop incessant screeching about anything you remotely find offensive or disagree with.
Make me laugh more, with your inane and baseless insults that only gives me more power and vindication.
;)
Then calls people NPC.
Wow.
Triggered and a hypocritical idiot.
* Posted: a few minutes ago
You post edgy trash of your broken laptop and come off as a cheeto-scented fedora wearing incel. Stop with the scripted responses, NPC.
Uh oh, I think I hear the SMELLY RAT trying to speak english. Be quiet incel, go pretend you're relevant more.
Posted: 11 hours ago
*Watch out! DJ the degenerate and DatkWraith the edgy incel might insult you to support their reptile god. *
God tier edgelord.
I'm not even a liberal. It's pathetic how bad you want to use your anti-SJW language on me where it doesn't apply. I remember when kids like you who liked shows meant for 2 year old girls and wrote huffy shit on the internet got pushed in lockers.
Furthermore, trying to use one of my stories against me? Really? Do you think if insulting me over my content would be an equal reply to my comment about you wasting time posting broken laptops claiming you'd "beat those antifia dolts" if they'd been in your vicinity would somehow remove the fact you're still a beta male degenerate? Man, you really do argue like a liberal. I can see why you don't "grovel" for sex. Nobody wants you. But keep trying, this will be excellent for my cringe comp.
Also, he blocked me like a cry-baby. Damn, can't anyone defending their iguana overlord not get mad and block? Pussies.
Mission accomplished.
You've ran into every wall imaginable in the span of a few hours.
Calls some edgy while posting edgy comments and insults.
Calls someone a Degenerate and an Incel while creating Degeneracy and Incel content.
Jesus Christ, I can't stop laughing at you!
😂
He blocked me too
XD
What an adgy Degenerate Incel ;)
Let's see how long this keeps up between you two.
I don't want anything out of this except for entertainment.
And it IS entertaining.
Do you not know the differences between triggering you guys for giggles vs pranking?
But nice Strawman.
It's all you guys do anyways lol
I didn't label you an SJW, you did that yourself.
*You guys* does not constitute as a label, as far as I'm concerned.
People who typically dislike Jasonafex and Kabier typically think and react alike, an SJW is typically easy to spot and fall out. NPCs even more so.
You Dame in with an assumption and I have assumed you to be aligned with *Those guys* but have not labeled you as such.
Don't put words where there wasn't any.
Also, pointing out my Pony PP doesn't exactly help your argument on a Furry website.
If anything, in Furry terms, that makes you a Racist. 😎
Also, no one will mourn if a brony has his fee-fees hurt, much less one that thinks a furry disliking their deviant nature is racism.
Allow me to be the adult and let you have the last word.
Just like every other person in this thread who's tried to challenge or dunk me.
Posit statement.
Run Strawman.exe.
Ad Hominem.
Shutdown dialog quickly.
You didn't hurt my feelings, I was just observed statement and comparison.
Trying to segregate a Pony based OC is a Furry OC(which has equine based species) is the equivalent of Furry Racism.
You're also trying to make it seem that peoples harmless interests, such mine with Jasonafex and Kabier, seem morally or intellectually limited.
Which is retarded, especially when coming from a Furry.
And we're all fucking Furries here so it's some wierd self hating spiel you guys espouse.
And I find it extremely entertaining.
I'll continue to follow Jasonafex and Kabier. Why? I like their art and they don't have a filter.
Have a good one. Hopefully you actually drink a beer and relax.
Oh look, you're a degenerate.
LMAO!
Trying to tell me how to live my life eh?
Also, dumbass, THE JOURNAL IS POLITICALLY ORIENTED.
It's why they're leaving.
Leftist regressive Politics has caused the Fandom to become wholly toxic.
It's why Koth left.
It's why Kabier left.
It's why Jasonafex is leaving.
And many are following suit.
The fact you're completely clueless, and the fact you don't like my style of baiting people for entertainment, paints you as the legitimate poster child of a moronic NPC.
I'm going to do what I want, and there isn't jack shit any of you can do about it.
Also, learn some fucking grammar before calling someone a moron.
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Alt Right be like "You're not being opressed, you're opressing yourself."
Both sides are wrong, both sides are toxic. It's cool and all that she got a little brief showcase from PewDiePie, but the content that was shown is trying to get him to slip up say the N word again is just stupid. So many trolls alike trying to get him to say it again like if it's funny and shit is just outright childish. He will never say it again, and his mods in his comment section have been hard at work at trying to banning users and removing such comments from his channel.
it will be sad to no more of Kabier's art or...yours if your stopping to. your art kind of left me questioning things in silly ways about myself either way it's always good to hear when others branch out and find something else to do. still seems stepping away did really go there no matter what you two plan on doing wish you two luck and I will admit....i'll miss both of your art.
As for furry communities...Xd what communities, Deviant art, IB, FA, well I guess furrypile was one but I only went to one place there the rp section XD.
err.. what was I saying I rambled XD. oh yeah hope everything works for the best and I will greatly miss you two's art.
I consider myself more a ghost as well, just watching from the sidelines and throw some lines when needed, overall, the content is what got me here or else i would dig my grave in some other fandom, again.
So just stay that way, its good being on the sideline and not fight an unneeded war.
both leave on thier own terms because they got called out for thier shit (and there is much which i ignored over the years but now its over) so its the best for everybody, there are enough artists ready to fill the void they left in you.
They seemed to have invested a lot of time on this journal as if it were their own.
And there you go again talking about NPC etc you honestly think because I said that you are childish and stupid for trying to provoke others that I'm some kind of political warrior... I couldn't give a shit about politics I'm sick of it infecting everything it touches, but you just want to see politics in everything people write when in reality it's got nothing to do with it.
Over half people telling you to stop and calling you out aren't fuelled by politics they are just being mature intelligent people and are sick of the toxicity. You know the kind you seem to bring with you everywhere you go because you think everything is a debate.
And as for attacking my grammar that's just childish and honestly I would rather make a few mistakes than to have a mindset and maturity as twisted and toxic as yours, half the crap you say online you wouldn't dare say to people in public. So stop hiding behind your screen like some kind of keyboard warrior and grow the fuck up yeah.
It's hilarious.
You guys are trying to act mature, have moral high ground.
But you're Furries who dress up in mascot outfits and Jack to rape and Snuff.
I'll keep making it Political, it's what you guys do, and if it pisses you off.
The mature thing would be to move on.
No one made you comment but you and trying to virtue signal only makes you look like a total idiot.
Keep calling me immature, childish, uneducated.
What have you.
It's nithing but projection from a fandom filled of insecure, socially awkward, reject losers who want to feel special.
So you group up, like some sort of psychological group therapy session and start telling each other *It's alright* and giving hugs and Pat's on the back.
You're not calling anyone out.
You're vindicating Jasonafex, Kabier, Darkwraith, Kothorix and myself, every time you decide to speak up against somes opinion with pure vitriol and hate.
Why do you think I'm triggering and baiting you?
It's easy and it gets the cockroaches to come out for everyone to see and take note of
If it makes me look like an ass, I don't really care what a bunch of egotistical, self entitled Furfags think of me because it ultimately doesn't affect me.
I have spoken.
Now, I'mma follow Darkwraith around. Because since we're apparently *comrades* or some shit.
Quickly! Someone doesn't agree with my thinking or ideology! Better call them a pedo!
Pedo it seems has naturally regressed into the go-to insult for slanderous children like yourselves. Titles such as rapist, racist and misogynist have lost all their impact thanks to flagrant misuse. Are you trying to devalue the lable pedo next?
Perhaps it would be best if people like you thought before you felt, found evidence before you accused and stop devaluing serious labels.
Perhaps you should go to bed Junior.
I gotchu fam.
https://twitter.com/KindKabsCorner/.....67032346632193
There's also a big leap between actual physical activity and posting adult content online. Don't lie. We've all been searching for porn online since well before we were of age. Puberty starts earlier then 18 and to accuse Kabier and Jason of a pedophile relationship because she was exploring her early sexuality online is hyperbolic at best.
I can already feel the stigma around the label pedo slipping away, thanks again for devaluing another important word.
You guys can't take him on politically.
You can't attack his integrity or his artistic talent.
So you resort to attacking his RELATIONSHIP.
What next?
His deceased relatives and ancestry?
Talk about Try-Hards.
Damn!
SJWs have devalued words that once had impactful meaning.
Racist.
Xenophobe.
Fascist.
Etc.
All used excessively to push a narrative or to ad hominem out of a losing argument.
But w/e.
They're worthless anyway and that's why they project as much as they can.
Denial is a powerful and addictive thing.
Also, that dudes twitter is just wow, holy damn XD
I am on twitter pretty much since like two weeks and once i fellowed a few furries, that shit started raining on my dash.
Seeing how the fandom has declined is heart breaking. I remember back when the furry fandom was inviting and friendly. Full of actual respectful people. Those people might still be around but the loudest people are now by far the drama thots.
I'm excited to see what becomes of you two in the future! Much thanks!
They are free to do whatever they want, they are adults after all, and if they want to talk politics so he it.
No one is making any of you read anything they post, you're doing that yourself.
It's essentially what I do.
I look for Bullshit, them I stir the pot with a spautula attached to an impact wrench to laugh as people sperg out in childish outrage over literally nothing.
I get a serious kick out of it.
But it seems people like to virtue signal or seem morally superior and therefore have to hunt out Bullshit and the start NPC preaching.
Which is still hilarious.
I was just making an observation that you could enjoy their art and ignore their Politics.
I do that with SJW artists that I follow.
Fuck their Politics, but I give credit where the talent is at.
Good and bad is largely based in personal perception.
I don't see anything wrong with Jason or Kabier speaking their mind, regardless if it's controversial.
But, every artist has their Politics and not every artist is a *Good* person.
*Good* people are essentially a myth nowadays and it's people you agree with that you consider as *Good*
But you do you.
I can't stop you.
The phase 'nigger faggot' originates from an Idubz kick-starter crap response video in which a salty kick-starter responds to Idubz criticism of his product by calling him and his audience Nigger Faggots. Idubz embraced the label, leading his following to adopt the title Nigger faggot. If you understood the concept of these inside jokes, perhaps they wouldn't offend you as much?
The point of saying these edgy things is less often to get a reaction and is more often to spread an inside joke and laugh at everyone who doesn't get it.
Congrats. you "wooshed'
Lets conclude by stating a fact. Words do not spring from the aether with a predestined power level. We as humans determine what words mean and weather they have the power to offend or harm. By instilling that words such as nigger and faggot remain taboo, you keep them locked into the past and those words retain the same power and vitriol. When you start throwing the words around and mocking friends with them and laughing at the absurdity of their offensive nature you de-stigmatize the words and give them less impact, reducing the harm they inflict. You are actively working against your own cause by holding words like nigger and faggot captive in the past.
If you can not separate the art from the artist, then I feel so bad for your naive, sheltered little puss-ass
I'll reply to you if I like, because if you don't recall, you initially engaged with me and invited conversation, not the other way around.
My point stands. WORDS HAVE NO POWER ASIDE FROM THE POWER WE ARE WILLING TO GIVE THEM.
I can throw ad hominems like a professional discus athlete when I want to. XD
It's just your post didn't warrant it because it didn't seem nor look like kneejerk outrage with the writer throwing insluts right out the gate.
No one should follow my example, because lets face it, I'm an asshole and a bad influence.
Keep on Rocking!
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Three comments were hidden and you guys start screaming from the tree tops.
He didn't deplatform anyone lol
You guys should just hack and laugh if you find his actions ironic.
Not *RRREE* at the top of your lungs.
You can't change people how their veiwpoint on certain things are.
That would require some sort of serious Divine Intervention.
So do what I do to Liberal SJWs when they do something hypocritical or contradictory.
Point it out.
Then laugh like a hyena.
When you attack someone you end up giving the target power and meaning. Just like words, individuals have to give them power and meaning.
But, it's just three lousy comments. It's not like he is legitimately silencing someone like the Internet did to Alex Jones. He just hid a few comments.
though I do have to ask: will you be continuing to produce furry art with your characters? I'm quite fond of Vergence, Genesis and many others and I'd hate to see them vanish because of the amount of toxic assholes within the community
I wish you all the best for the future.
- feed
- the people you follow and that follow you
- your blocklist
ect ect, can be so toxic you can't log onto it. This just seems like another example of 'woke' anti-sjws getting easily offended and turning genuine criticism into a victim complex.
Surprisingly, if you constantly complain about the community you're in and the people in it you won't, generally, be well liked.