Glad to hear it!

oh

Might wanna stop talking... :/ Every time you open your mouth people are going to harass you for what comes out.

Oh yes, I am aware. Pretty much everything I've said has been ripped apart, torn apart, taken out of context or misinterpreted.

Reverse Schadenfreude. It sucks, but I suppose I was due.

Well, good luck with it, man.

It's a position I don't envy, and I have no idea how I'd deal with it. I think there's a lot of "blame" to be had but the situation is plainly (like anything in life) not as black and white as people want to make. It's not such a simple thing to yell about, but people want to reduce it to that.

This website has been irreplaceable for the past few years and I think anyone should be immensely proud of the accomplishment that this thing is.

Good luck.

You just do. You deal with it because you have to. You don't fold, bend, and people are going to hate you. They will despise you. They'll misinterpret what you say and take your comments out of context, not knowing the backstory, conversations or other information available.

And they'll go with it, gossip, make rumors.

But you have to look at the entire thing. All of it, and look at how much good comes from the entire site.

DeviantArt just went through something very similar. It's unfortunate, and it sucks, but you carry on.

DeviantArt went through quite a lot and that's the reason this is essentially the most important art site after it. They have tenure and marketing but FA really is an institution and people have made a living off of their work like the they may never have been able to because of the close knit and receptive community available here. Seriously I remember Onta's account when it was dormant for a year with only two pictures on it!

I"m sorry about all the personal bullshit because I feel like it's uncalled for, I don't want to sound like a suckass but this site has and probably always will be important. Do what you gotta do keep it the best damn artsite around (even with all the flaws).

Hopefully someone doesn't go after SoF v2.
Toumal is really good at keeping his site stable with few security breaches.

SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO ME, YEUP

haha pretty much

The site's here.. it works. All I care about. There'll always be the self-righteous who'll obsess about others' private lives instead of putting that energy into bettering their own.

>>They'll misinterpret what you say and take your comments out of context, not knowing the backstory, conversations or other information available.

To be fair, Dragoneer, many concerns raised by FA users over the weekend were not taken out of context, but from your own words and actions -- or lack of action.

People have raised points that I would urge you to hear, about security of the site and the personal safety of its members:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952576/

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1952230/

These issues will not go away until you and the other admins deal with them with greater honesty and transparency than in the past.

I sincerely hope that you can find the strength and integrity to do this.



Mark

Well... it's not like the accusers have never made a mistake in their lives. It's not right for them to be so dickish over a website and a service they're getting for no money whatsoever.

No money... but definite contributions: artwork to share, praise for good paintings, honest criticism, friendships formed and strengthened.

For many of us, despite all the limitations and frustrations of the site, FA matters, and the people here matter even more. If we see them ignored, censored, lied to, or preyed upon, then we get angry.

That's a connection that goes far beyond money.

I get that, but it just seems a bit unfair to blame it all on Dragoneer.

He's been ignoring the security problems for over three years, instead preferring to imagine some troll conspiracy to destroy his personal web site. He's perfect and can do no wrong in his own head.

you don't "fold" or "bend" because there's nothing for you to "fold" or "bend" on. when you don't actually make decisions it's pretty easy not to "fold" or "bend."

so that's the way you want to play it, then? you reap what you sow.

you don't "fold" or "bend" because there's nothing for you to "fold" or "bend" on. when you don't actually make decisions it's pretty easy not to "fold" or "bend."

so that's the way you want to play it, then? you reap what you sow.

Because he's the leader that FA deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll flame him. Because he can take it. Because he's NOT our leader. He's a site owner, a watchful admin. A digi-knight.

I am Fatman

you shouldn't be so hard on yourself

Unless that was a Freakazoid reference, in which case BOY BLUBBER, BOY BLUBBER, AND FATMAN!!!!

It's the same way as the news simply put. You listen to the sound bite of the story and interpret the whole situation based solely on what you are told. You have to experience it and deal with it in order to understand 99% of the time.

You don't really think everything has been taken out of context do you? I mean no offense to you, I have nothing personal for or against you, but some of the shit you said/did was straight to the point and just messed up :/ I'd be more worried if people didn't get upset/worried/pissed off about said things D:

Hi, Now that the 'Knight Journal' is over, I can put my fedora back on.

Really, Straight to the point is what's needed. Any pussyfooting around would really just make 'Neer look worse in the long run, and have people demanding answers and burning effigies.

Like I did mention before. People are getting pissed for all sorts of things right now, so 'Neer might as well be righ to the point and get things said.

As for being direct to Ferality. He wasn't wrong. he COULD have handled things better. But, we're human, he's human, and we're all just animals with morals.


Short version: Shit happens. Best to just carry on ASAP.

I think you missed what I was saying/asking in every shape and form

Not really.

Dude hes 19 why waste your time? Why waste your effort on someone who hasn't got the life experience to know better.

When "shit happens" is "has a consistent (many-year) history of ignoring warnings about site vulnerabilities", I don't think it's best to just carry on. But what do I know, I'm just a random ~troll~, right, Sean?

Now ya know how i felt back on YouTube during the troll/furry war days. Any good i tried to do was 'altered' and a mirror universe / bizzaro version of me was created by furry haters. It didn't stop me from being myself. If anything it just made me stronger.

I think i know what could help FA. Get more admins. If 21 isn't enough to read support tickets (because i have some that have expired and never been read), i think either you got some not doing their job or not really here at all. Inactive admins = less moderation being done. They need booted and replaced with people who are ready and able. With how big this site is becoming you really need a staff dedicated to support tickets. It's either that or remove that feature entirely since it is picking up dust.

kinda hard to misinterpret "Hey guy who's fucking dogs, watch out there's some guys trying to take you down with this picture!"

just sayin bro

Can I favorite your comment PLEEEEASE ;O;

*hugs* I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, this is what comes with being high profile. Celebrities probably have it hundreds of times worse.

Him shutting up will make them stop? I doubt anything would stop them.

I figured that you wouldn't leave and I'm glad that you're not.

Thank goodness.

Very good news, 'Neer! :D

Mm-hmm.

I'm glad, hope things get normal here soon

Good! Keep it that way!

No "hacker" is keeping me down!

Glad to hear it

Thats good

Were you planning on going some where?

No. Its just that people had this idiotic idea in their heads that  dragoneer was going to step down as head admin even though he owns the fucking site

Good to hear you are sticking with it! *hugs*

I hope this will kill all sh**storms

Ummm. How soon? This is kind of an important matter.

Your icon.

I love it.

Thanks <3
 pauladeen revolution, ya'll.

Seconded~

Your icon made me laugh hard.

A lot has come out about this incident, and it's not what most people will think. We're hoping tomorrow or Tuesday. Yak is still going through the logs.

Look on the bright side. If adversity helps to give one a thick skin, you've got a hell of a callous now.

For the record I still don't get a whit of what this hack/compromise accomplished, aside from major inconvenience and some definite loss of privacy. There's something to be proud of.

Hooray. It feels nice to finally have a time frame.

Out of curiosity, why aren't you going through the logs.
Honest question man.

Are those plane tickets to Abu Dhabi i see?

rofl

lmfao, you sir are fucking awesome.

I was trying for Venezuela. Cheap gas, y'know.

as angry as i am with all of this, i WILL ADMIT

You have a wonderful sense of humor, neer.
I genuinely commend you on that.

But too darn hot at this time of the year. Thanks again for not putting tracking beacons on the computers of FA users. No one is mistake free, but that is a mighty fine decision.

Yet another explanation? Gee I wonder what it is this time...

The entire story of what happened, how the hacks took place.

Oh I see, well then, proceed...

The only problem though is no one cares any more how or why it happened at this point....

I do.

>>no one cares any more how or why it happened

I certainly do. We always have tomorrow to face, and the day after that.

Speak for yourself.

I care, don't talk for me.

Uh, I don't remember giving you the authority to speak for me, because I definitely care.

I'm sure I speak for many people when I say:
I don't care how people broke in. I want to know why the site was not yanked down the second you saw it was being fucked up.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/.....ngcareless.jpg well you kinda said it here

Which mod was it? Not going to launch a attack but would go along way to clear pinkuh's name if it wasn't her.

Thank you for not leaving and for putting up with asshats. They fail to realize that bad choices or not without you there would be no FA and thus they would have few better places to go...if any.

Your icon is that of the EPIC SANTA!!!

Damn straight <3

The undefeatable team is Dr. House, Dr. Who, and Slim Jim... yes, Slim Jim.

LOL Slim Jim really?!?!

Yes. When House or Dr. who are tired... they snap into a slim jim.

ROTFL Not a freaking Kit Kat Bar?

Nah, kit kat isn't MANLY ENOUGH!

Okay I will give you that...but couldn't you imagine them singing the Kit Kat theme song?

...dear god NO!!! *dies from the repeating song*

Thus my job is complete

X.X

without you there would be no FA

Um... no. Dragoneer did not create this site. He wasn't even instrumental in its development. He took over a couple years later when he bought it out. So, chances are, without him the site would still be here, and it's a tossup whether it would be run better or worse or the same.

If he owns the site now and he left then it would go with him. Seriously doubt that if asshats around here caused enough stress he would be the one to disable the site and call the whole thing off. I mean he has put so much of his own money to keep the site going that even if it was left up without him who would put up the money to fill the gaps that are always left behind when "the bills are due"? Honestly, this site is often kept afloat by money out of his pocket alone.

You do realize that 'Neer covers most of this site's cost out of pocket, right?

I am greatful you and the Admin are working out these problems. I hope this chaos will end soon. To bad there isnt anything I can do. Sitting here and being patient is making me worry.

Good to hear. The Dragoneer still lives.

Still no idea whats going on...but glad your still around.

I think I missed a lot of things. Let's see what.

so I'm assuming the rumors of the site being taken down and all submissions being deleted are false right?

Mostly, yes. The site was never taken down (except by us the first day for about four hours).

okies there are still a few people who are all paranoid that the site is still gonna vanish or something and i wanted to be able to reassure them it isnt happening ^^

Good to hear Neer. Merry Sniffmas or whatever lol.

I'm pretty much lost on all this. I guess I don't follow enough people to get anything more than just snippets of the drama, so I don't have enough information to make any judgments or decisions about what I've heard (hackings, rapes, terrorists, alien visitations).

If there's a clarification coming to quell the rumors, that would be awesome. In the meantime, I guess I'll sit back and wave farewell to all those who say they're leaving. :3

You sir are in a safe bubble... don't focus on anything else.

I do my best to stay as ignorant as possible!

I pop your bubble sir.

Noooooooooooo! Don't make me face reality!! There's so much drama!!!1!

n,^,n
8[Bannor]8

*pats your back*

mightna been good to put up the other parties comment of not blaming you and that it wasn't something they should have brought to you in the first place. It would have diffused much of the 'you are doing nothing' bits people were throwing. The comment was overlooked.

It's good to see things are calming down for now...

Hope your staying calm about all this and hope things settle down for you soon so you can have a good holiday.

That's not going to happen.

This is Lulz we are talking about. You have no idea what that place is like. Besides what's done is done. places like ED has the leaked notes now.

You really don't look at the screencaps that support the said satire. Usually i look at an article for the screencaps.

Yet your still being called out on your page.

It certainly isn't credible, but it is sure as hell funny.

And hey! That meth addicted hobo is a genius in his very own special way! :P

<AndroidVoice> Are you still there? </AndroidVoice>

I'm hoping all this crap won't ruin the admins' holidays.

Hope you're okay over there, and able to take a step away from all the shit sometime soon and get back to your real life. May be time for a vacation pretty soon after this D:
*so many hugs*

so......I'm the only one who doesn't know what "this indecent" actually is?

I don't know either.

But sometimes with this site it's best if it just passes right by you. I'm quite happy not knowing as long as I have this plate of cookies. XD

Here's a liberally commented forum post on the whole ordeal. http://forums.vivisector.org/index......pic,432.0.html

The funny thing is, the only way for Dragoneer not to have known about these massive security problems (over the few years myself and various others have been complaining about them) would have to be "complete ignorance".

<3

Have you publicly apologized for allowing two people to have their private sexual traumas broadcast in public, yet? I mean for all the explaining you've been doing I haven't seen anything the least bit resembling an apology.

You actually DID apologizing for "misspeaking" when it looked as if you'd told a rape victim to hush up and not cause waves. But it's really low of you not to have at least taken responsibility, as site administrator, for the privacy of at least two of yours users being invaded. You owe them that since you're the one who fucked up.

oh man, I remember you beatin those people to death on lulz

It was like watching a game of Halo, no matter how many trolls and aliens were annoyed with Toonces, and tried to take him down he wouldnt just keel over and die.

TROLLTASTROPHE

Don't hold your breath.

>>Have you publicly apologized for allowing two people to have their private sexual traumas broadcast in public, yet? I mean for all the explaining you've been doing I haven't seen anything the least bit resembling an apology.

I have to agree.

I think, Dragoneer, that a sincere apology, a sincere effort to set up clear guidelines for handling these issues in the future, would go a long way to winning back the respect of those women (and men!) who saw that your concern and your empathy were less than they could have been and extremely one-sided.

As for people who use FA to prey on others... you really should face up to them as well. We need a clear way to warn people -- openly.

Thirded. because right now, your actions have left a lot to be desired. There are many members that feel a lot less safe, whether it's been your incompetence in handling the hacking, your lack of anything involving due diligence or notifying your userbase, your covering up the tracks of a dor rapist and interfering with an investigation, and the appalling way you handled rape allegations.

There isn't anything being taken out of context because it's your own notes and your own words and your own actions that are being referenced. If you, the person with whom the buck stops, has screwed up on such a massive level and is publically declaring that not only are your own words and actions that have disapponted being taken out of context but that you are sticking around, you'd better have a damned good reason.


I have kept my nose out of "fur affinity drama". I like it here. I have made lasting, life changing friendships thanks to this community. But the way you've been acting this week has made many others including me, feel less safe.

>>your lack of anything involving due diligence or notifying your userbase

Thank you for mentioning this!

Dragoneer, very few of us are members of that furrydrama livejournal (where, despite your growing responsibilities here, Teahound has offered to make you co-admin), and posting your updates there will not reach us here on FA.

The only prompt information and warnings I noticed here came from concerned people who had nothing to do with administration, yet took it upon themselves to get information out to the rest of us.

If you and your admins could show a similar initiative and concern, I think that you could win greater trust from the people who should matter to you. We're not furrydrama, we're FA.

Dragoneer, very few of us are members of that furrydrama livejournal (where, despite your growing responsibilities here, Teahound has offered to make you co-admin), and posting your updates there will not reach us here on FA.

The only prompt information and warnings I noticed here came from concerned people who had nothing to do with administration, yet took it upon themselves to get information out to the rest of us.

Exactly. This goes double because the community on livejournal in question is locked, with membership currently closed. So unless you happen to be a member (of which, most of your site userbase is not), you can't even read what you've said.

If it wasn't for concerned friends spreading the word, I certainly wouldn't have know, either. There was no trouble putting out site wide notices about Everyone Draw Mohammed Day or changes to the site TOS and AUP. If for some reason you couldn't have placed a notice site wide or linked to clear-easy-to find place that outlined what was going on, what precautions users could take, and what would be done, then there at least should have been a mass email sent to users. Going forward, aside from showing real, honest contrition, there must be a way outlined for you and other admins to communicate with the site as a whole when problems of this magnitude come up.

I support this as well. I think an apology would be very self enlightening for him right now.

For the record, it was Neer's privacy that was invaded. They sent him a note on a site that he owns. At any point in time he could've very lovingly made the matter public by either calling Zaush a rapist or calling Fera a psycho, and no one would be on the position to tell him shit.

Frankly, don't know what some kind of public apology before he knows what he's apologizing for is going to be any smarter. Maybe you missed the whole jest of this journal, but he's gathering the information on what exactly happened, and will make a statement when that's done. But hey. Maybe you're the type of person who wants him to go off, half-cocked and make more dumb public statements. I bet that sounds like fun to you, doesn't it?

Did you really have to mention the people involved?

You mean the two people that the other guy says need a public apology from Neer?

"misspeaking"

dont you mean

"oops i didnt read that paragraph"

l m a o

Nah Yak hasn't typed that part up yet.

I have no clue whats goin on cause i have a life, but hope you get through everything ok. This site is supposed to be for fun for everyone, and people seem to be forgetting that they have a free haven to post art and communicate with others like them, and you who supply it to them somehow is supposed to kiss everyones ass and take the brunt of everyones bitchin. Dont think its fair.

Oddly enough, I also have a life... yet I also take an interest in the site.

I suppose my tastes are eclectic. :)

No. Just your ability to lie. And your borderline obsessive nature.

Lie?

Elephant in knight armor, everything is new to me this holiday :v

Pwah? I can't be fed up with seeing this guy posting everywhere and then saying he has a life?

To a total outsider seeing you jump on a guy and insult him for seemingly nothing seems white knightish to me :v

That.... ... that's what y'all consider white knighting? ... ... then who, pre-tell, am I defending? Logic, son, it doesn't flow. But I understand, to an outsider, a lot of buzz-words seem applicable.

*Hugs*

I just wanted to say Dragoneer, please dont take what they say to heart, everyone is different, and I dont think wrongly of u for liking what u like, to be honest I like it a bit as well, Im not gonna lie, so ur nothing bad in my book.

People just need to shut the hell up.

I hope everything turns out good in the end Administrator. And with that I take my leave and hope that my comment leaves a positive influence on u.

Hope to hear from you again.

good luck, sir neer! i support you fixing the site soon.

Well either way were glad to see you deal with stuff as yourself instead of hiding your identity, I mean these hackers feel powerful making threats and acting coy over their mischief, but th dont dare put there god name on the line or bring shame to their name. Karma will catch up with them though.

I suppose this will just have to be an event we all learn from and move on.

*good name,

lol God name oh dear

NOOO!!! What have you done!!!? *shoots himself cuz the god trolls*

Im fully convinced that God does troll us. :P

Yes I think so... *points to the sky* HAAAAAAAAX!!!

Your not far off,

7And if thou shouldst be cast into the a pit, or into the hands of murderers, and the sentence of death passed upon thee; if thou be cast into the deep; if the billowing surge conspire against thee; if fierce winds become thine enemy; if the heavens gather blackness, and all the elements combine to hedge up the way; and above all, if the very jaws of hell shall gape open the mouth wide after thee, know thou, my son, that all these things shall give thee experience, and shall be for thy good.

I hope this next explanation is well thought out and re-read before posted, straight forward and lacking in as much personal bias as possible. Let's try not to "misspeak" and backpedal all over the place, mmkay?

Use what you have learned through all these journals that have blown up.

No you're not here!

You lying to me!!! D;

lol jk

D:< Its the hacker no one listen to him :P

From the comments sounds like everyone has calm down or left.

I can't wait to hear the whole story.

Neer

You're not leaving?

Damnit, there go my plans for a coup in the chaos.

<---In 14 years of admin work at three big ISP´s I´ve seen way way way worse, stay put and stay strong as you are doing the best job you can, there are a huge number of us who highly appreciate that.

They wouldn't believe me when I said furries control the internet. I'm not crazy....I'm not crazy....

"..here to stay and never go away
Until our dying day, until we're old and grey.." Business -Eminem

-pats Dragoneer on the back- you're doing a hell of a job, in a teribble time full of asshats and asshattery

Hopefully this won't get any bigger.
I'm pretty much tired of those "FA Doomsday Journals" on my notifications. =/
Just wish you luck with handling all of this mess, 'Neer.

Good to see you around Neer :)

*hugs for you and all of the staff* I'd say something, but hugs are better. Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas/Seasons greetings.

I'm super proud of you Dragoneer for how this is all going down. Keep up the great work. <3

yay!

Sad that this happened...
and sad that people are getting so worked up over some of it...

Your alive and here and despite what everyone else said they are still here.

I'm still here.

I folded 1000 origami cranes for your good luck! this will all be over soon.

And just WHO gave you permission to even consider going somewhere?

Seriously, I send you my continuous gratitude, respect and constant praise.

Seriously everyone keeps attacking you, Ill be on your side at least, I think you do a fine job running this place ;)

I hope that you and the admins are doing well.
The last days seemed to be a hell of stress for you. (from my point of vision)

Just keep on keeping on 'Neer!! You're awesome for what you do for all of us in the furry community. I for one appreciate it very much!!

Thanks neer :)
its been a mass hysteria on Fa lately..
It will be good to know what has been going on.

I guess I've missed more BS drama, again! Glad your sticking around though.

You must have a lot of patience for putting up with these hackers...

I hope things settle down here, glad to hear you're still kickin

I dun get it... Seriously, I'm like so confused right now o.o

Anyone care to fill me in? I get that some idiotic person said they'd hack and slash the site on 11 EST

but other than that, i dunno shiz o.o

oi this whole ordeal like political rollercoaster ride XD

Tangent! If the hacking crap is over why the heck am I still getting logged out every 24 hours

Where's the bacon?

glad your okay

I would like to know whose notes where leaked but I suppose that is too much to ask for.

Question, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? I was out doing shit in real life, so I got no clue what the hell has been going on.

I realise this isn't a popular opinion, but I think some things have been blown well out of proportion.
It might not count for much, but you still have my support.

I wonder how you can 'explain' being a rape and bestiality apologist.

Ban me if you must.

I wish we could "like" comments.

As everyone knows, I have often been rather.... in disagreement with Dragoneer, FA's policies, and especially FA's choice in administrators.

However, after (thoroughly) reading YiffyLeaks, I actually have more respect for Dragoneer for showing a more level head than the white knights and exhibiting a pro-community attitude over the aggressive dictatorial attitude so many white knights want to see.

It shows true concern over the users, victims, and even predators. The white knights are unconcerned with the repurcussions, and feel the ends justify the means, no matter who else gets drowned in the drama to do it.

I've got to say it. ^^This^^

hmm? You thought that we thought you were leaving?

you was leaving? o.O

FA is Dragoneer...Dragoneer is FA...it is what it has become...this will not change, even if it would be better for FA.

Soon as in...today? Maybe? It's been two hours. You'd think soon would have fallen in that timeframe, but...

I eagerly await to see how you try to explain all this...if you come forward and finally come clean, tell the truth and try to clear the air, or if you continue to throw up clouds of smoke and debris to try and hide everything.

heh, I wonder what's happened around here...did FA really get hacked into or was that just a rumor?

Some other got site got hacked and some admin had the same password thar as here and used that :p

heh, well that's stupid-they should've known better...you should NEVER use the same password for two sites. You should always have a separate password for each of the sites you're on and they shouldn't be easy for the hackers to guess, either.

Summary:

The site was hacked one-and-a-half-to-two times in a row, something people have been warning him about happening, in between incidents (this has happened before, but without the leaked notes).

Someone leaked 41 user's notes.

Dragoneer made a journal that contained an outright falsehood ("is FA secure? yes!", when the reality of the situation is that they weren't aware of the full extent of the damage.)

You can't suffer two hacks in a week's span, then turn around a day later and say "we're secure, yep".

Of course, if you ask anyone else, you'll hear "LEAVE DRAGONEER ALONE!!!! HE'S MY YIFFY PAL!"

well as a friend linked me on lulz - the hackers/hackersfriends said the following: "FA without dragoneer? that would be boring - would not like it"

Just wanted to throw my two cents in by saying good luck with everything.
I think you can pull through, and I think that you'll be able to wade through all the comments and hate-mongering to pull this site up again.

Those who left, well, we're better off without them. I, for one, am going to stay, and it looks like the majority of users are staying.

Which I -think- is a good thing.

Anyway, again, good luck with everything, and I'm really happy you're not leaving.

I'm glad to hear you're staying, the number of artists leaving over this is just freaking ridiculous.

Oh good, so

take down your last journal, then

Why would he take it down?

Women on FA would probably want to see that journal: the policies he makes, and the implications of those policies, will most likely reflect issues that were first raised there.

It's an important source.

Yeah, I'm sure women like seeing their names up there, too, and the misogynistic stereotypical "angry gay man" responses to it.

I'm not sure, myself.

But if all of that shows just where certain attitudes lie on FA, it might be better to know... and to confront that reality head on.

If it was your name being plastered around, you wouldn't like it. Let's start there.

I wouldn't like it, that's true.

But the damage has been done, thanks to FA's tissue-paper security, thanks to Dragoneer's less than diplomatic approach to journal writing. Word is pretty much everywhere. That's a mistake that people will remember.

What they might not remember is that people stood up to it, and openly called for a new approach to sensitive matters like this one. That makes the journal worth keeping -- if it keeps Dragoneer honest.

O . O

Why would you want to leave in the first place, Neer? :( It just wouldn't be FA without ya. ^_^

Either you leave or everyone else does. The decision is yours.

I dont think 30 people equal everyone but whatever...as stated dont let the door hit you too hard on your way out

there has been a lot more then 30 people gone so far.

whatever the majority people are staying and probably most of them will come crawling back anyway but im done with all of this tata i have art to make

Are you planning to become one of them? Seriously, there needs to be a list. Everyone who plans to leave if some major changes aren't promised needs to put their name down on a central list so he knows exactly what he's up against.

I was majorly fucked over.

oops
that means yes. I am leaving.

XD Speak for yourself

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out?

please read my direct message..

Oh look, the nobility are panicking and resorting to THE SAME BEHAVIOR THAT GOT THEM IN TROUBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

What did I ever do to you?

He's a fail-troll.

I can't believe you could possibly want to do that ever again. Why are you trusting this man with a goddamn thing?

Regarding what? sending a note? i'm not SENDING him a note, I sent him a direct message on fucking twitter

oh my mistake, twitter is an impenetrable fortress of internet might...

hahha yea, sure. no, it's not. no website is truly 100% safe. all the note says is i got an threateing voice mail and thought i should let him know


oops i just leaked my own note

hahahahaha oh my god

a little bit of life advice: dragoneer isn't the one who needs to know about threatening voice mails. call your goddamn phone company.

ia m first thing in the morning, ontop of my local law enforcement. i contacted dragoneer so he coudl be aware of what his actions caused

Okay, so now my question is "why does that information need to be kept private"? Dragoneer's stupidity directly affected you enough that you need to contact law enforcement. Why are you keeping this private?

Of course, I'm pretty sure he is aware of what his actions caused. I just don't think he cares. He'll just babble some internet meme, say something about how he supports the community, and how everything is under control. Oh, then he'll delete the journal because it makes him look bad.

I'll be very surprised if this isn't the way it goes down.

let me make sure i get the context of what you're trying to ask me here, i'm not exatly in my right mind right now, so things are a bit jumbled

are you asking why i dont report dragoneer to the PD and simply sweep this under the rug, or are you asking why does my info need to be kept private?

I'm asking: why are you not making it public just how much Dragoneer's stupidity upsets you?

in short; i dont wanna feed the people and get even more phone calls and more stuff sent to my house because they want to upset me more and get a rise out of it

That's your prerogative. Hell, my details weren't leaked, and i'm still pissed because of what happened. This was easily preventable and they knew it.

maybe when i stop panicking i'll throw up a journal to clerly explain my frustrations in a clear, concise, and logical manner.
right now that'd just be a bad idea

dont panic. don't worry.

Then posting how you got a threatening voicemail via twitter isn't going to help.
You know what works? I know you can't exactly ignore what was done to you, but shutting up about it on the damn internet does help. Talk to police, fuck the internet. You're going to stir up more problems by posting this shit online.

im sure many people want to show him what this whole thing has caused.

Yeah good luck. You'll need it. Looking forward to the fixes.

well im still around becuase i think your sexy later i want a female version of u =3 for my dracobunny

Glad to see you're staying, FA without Dragoneer would be disasterous as who would be the lead manager for it...

You may or may not see my comment among others, But I'm not going anywhere either, lol. After being bounced from various other furry sites, this one one I'll stick to till the end... Even through any drama that pops up.

Anything that's said by anyone can and will be taken the wrong way by someone... I'm not choosing sides on anything, but also am not adding to the drama. It is what it is and just hope things will continue on. :)

In my humble opinion, administration would only be disastrous with a certain person as the lead admin.

I only hope my humble opinion won't get me totally banninated, since the person in question has quite a temper ._.

after all this shit that has gone down
the only thing you continue to say is "THIS SOCKS WITH THOS ADMIN WORKINNNGGG"

erm... no. I actually like Dragoneer (he's friendly, returned my fave once, and this'd me on faf, I kinda owe him)
and WarMock (who is quite possibly the admin who is the nicest of them all and most willing to solve a problem)
Damaratus is also okay but he has his slips (he thought I was trolling once and we got into a little argument but
the misunderstanding got cleared and I did not stop liking him).

I have no problem with the other admins in general.

But there are two or three of them that make me sick to my stomach just when I see their user icons
I JUST CAN'T FORCE MYSELF TO LIKE THEM D:

You like dragoneer, because he favorited something in your gallery and thumbsuped one of your forum posts?

Dude, I can do that same thing. Would you then "kinda owe me"?

Dragoneer has a long-running habit of sweeping gaping security problems under the rug. This is well-documented. Would you like to hear more?

well YOU BET you our main source of porn isn't going anywhere!

;)

ehm... the site and you owning it I mean.... xD

amen to that. All and all the Butthurt and the Lul-tards just gotta find something to do with their lives :P pretty much like I said in another journal "its like if Neer even farts in a pitch that someone doesn't like they are gonna invent a reason to start the first Furry world war over it"

"He farts in secret codes!" -Some movie I've seen

MMMN, ASS PATS

hey, there we go.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1949615/

if you're up to read my opinion, along with the shit stuff someone else posted

Have the people who have their notes stolen been notified?

This.

personally, I downloaded a lot of notes with intention to warn users, I shall start next time I use my laptop.

We love you Neer, We know you woulnd't do those things.

Wouldn't do what things? Not trying to come off as rude, but do you even know what people were accusing him of? He did do some things, but not everything that people said.

Neer got his account hacked and the guy started to delete certain gallery's. Though he isn't to blame

Everyone is more mad about what was revealed that happened in the notes. Not that his account got compromised.

Most people are wanting an explanation for Neer's responses to Ferality about her story of Zaush (I have no opinion on if it is true or not but there are people on each side of that issue), as well as his response involving zoo.

I don't even think it was his account that got hacked; it was someone elses. What everybody is making a big hub-bub about is the notes that were released from most of the admin's accounts, and certain notes pertaining to situations that should have been handled differently.

Did you know that the director of the FBI once almost got his bank account information phished?

I'd vomit back up all the rules about passwords, but I'm sure this has already spoken for me.

Maybe you could vomit up the rules about taking people seriously when they tell you your site is vulnerable. Dragoneer might listen to them if they're couched heavily enough in petpets and yiffles.

I think that it is perhaps time to also bring in other people to code. The more coders, the more diverse your coding abilities get, as well as more to sniff out these horrible points ready to exploit before they are taken advantage of. The vulnerability in the TTs shouldn't have happened. In a site where the users and what they stand for is attacked on a regular basis, the users need the utmost security, not swiss cheese code. I worked for a virtual pet site for 5 years, and out of the many hacking attempts, only once did we have real trouble. That being said, we had one main coder (the site owner) and several others who coded and then had a team of other staff look through the code and point out things that were wrong or could potentially be wrong.

And while the compromised admin didn't MEAN to have their account hacked into.. they put a lot of people in jeopardy and exposed a lot of things that shouldn't have been exposed. Do you plan on firing this admin? Because at any other company, the particular personnel responsible would be given a pink slip.

Also, do you know who did the hacking? Was it one person or more? And will you be telling us who, or let them remain anonymous?

You sir/madam, are correct. As a matter of fact, LexyEevee has already pointed out about 20 different holes in the code that could be taken advatage of should someone have the time and resources (and this attack has proven that these people do). I just wish that for once, 'Neer and some of the other admin would listen to what other people have to say besides themselves. A lot of people here have great ideas and could help this site immensely, if you would only take the time to listen.

The code that is FA is quite a hole riddled slice of cheese in that case. Of course people have the time and resources to do this. According to everyone else on the internet, furries are the lowest of the low, and sometimes, I can't blame them for thinking that. This site, its content, and its users are all quite tempting for hackers, simply because we freak the fuck out when something like this happens, going ballistic, quitting the internet, etc. It's a gold mine for drama, and if they can reap such tasty lulz with hardly any effort, hacking and doing this has given them massive jollies.

I think that the admins might listen sometimes. But listening is much different from accepting what we have to say, realizing we are right, and putting the most intelligent decisions into effect. Just because you get someone to code doesn't mean you have to get new admins. You can hire coders, have them code, and their job be done, plain and simple. It's actually exactly what my mate does. It's a job to do, and unless they are looking for permanent coders, freelancers can be the way to do. But I think they need to do a bit of both.

inb4white knight shit from  ethanblack

btw guys, his white knight count is at 23 so far, I counted <3

double castles through the sky

Good thing you're staying Dragoneer! =3

Boy I sure do love me some bacon.

Take your time on getting an explanation done. We know a lot of stuff is happening and it is all time critical. Deal with what you have to - don't stress too much (more) and remember to abuse Sciggles for heaps of hugs and such.

Once all the proverbial 'midden' has finally settled and at least been stowed away then you can go into what details you can; I know a list of affected users would certainly come in handy if nothing else and if there are any actions we should be taking etc etc etc.

I'm glad your still here, though words of advice would be to not be so silent. A list of things that made people of this site so edgy though I might be wrong.
1. The site goes down for from what I heard was 4 hours.
2. All the administrater accounts were changed to regular member account.
3. FAF being down for the past few days. (When is FAF going to be back up?)
4. All the administraters for the past few days being so quiet about it. (We don't need to know the full story before all the information has been gathered, just a quick administrater notice that administrater accounts were hacked and that it being looked into and that any damage done is being fixed or will be fixed.)

I'm kinda wondering if something underhanded is going on, the white knight ratio in this journal is through the roof.

Glad you're not leaving for whatever reason, but I hope -you- type up your own damn excuse, and not just some horseshit yak tells you to say, they're your notes, we want to hear from you. And only you

Did you notice how the "horseshit yak had him say" was a completely different scenario than what he originally posted? The first journal was almost entirely wrong. The site hasn't been secure for at least 3 years. This attack was carried out via known issues.

P much

I just don't want yak to give him something random to say as damage control, I want Neer to man up and explain why he's tipping off animal abusers and such.

Oh. That's fine then. I don't actually give a shit about the notes or their content. I'm just tired of shouting about the technical problems leading up to shit like this, and getting summarily ignored.

S'coo bro.

couldnt have said it better myself.
i do not want to hear what yak has to say. i want to hear dragoneer come clean. i want him to apologize. i want him to explain. i want closure

A question, Dragoneer:

When you sweep your old journals under the rug, are you censoring yourself... or censoring the rest of us?













Well?














You have nothing to fear from the past, you know... not if you learn from it.

That was my thought too. In those journals the collective community of FA was speaking and having the chance to speak, but now it's all gone. Destroyed.

What are you afraid of, Dragoneer?

You don't have to be afraid. You can listen to people, and learn from your mistakes.

No one expects you to be anything more than human.

So you don't have to hide any more.

And you sure as hell don't have to hide from us.

Have you seen this?

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:16234074

Sheds more light on how this has been an issue for years.

Not really. I got the entire page saved a minute or two before it was deleted.

It might be a good idea to save this one, too.

I just happened to be at the wrong place at the right time, so I'm not really following this thread well enough to guarantee I can be the scribe.

shit, what program are you using? screengrab was fucking up and not copying the page. it was probably too long or something idk

I didn't use anything fancy, just saved the webpage the way grandpa would've done it.