Fur Affinity Change of Ownership
18 years ago
"So, I bought Fur Affinity today..."
Today, Alkora and I came to an agreement and inked the deal. We have officially transferred ownership of Fur Affinity to me. It's been a long road, and Alkora and I have weathered quite a lot together side by side, and will continued to do so well into the future.
The site's had a long road since early 2005, and in two years time has gone from a small website borne of duct tape and good ideas. It's not been perfect, but damn has it been worth it. With time, we've improved dramatically, and still are - there's a LOT going on in the background!
Hopefully, I'll have more news to share in the coming future. Until then, I'm going to sit back and sip some green tea. I've got a lot more to announce soon, and I think you'll all be rather pleased.
Dragoneer,
FA Lead, Owner
Today, Alkora and I came to an agreement and inked the deal. We have officially transferred ownership of Fur Affinity to me. It's been a long road, and Alkora and I have weathered quite a lot together side by side, and will continued to do so well into the future.
The site's had a long road since early 2005, and in two years time has gone from a small website borne of duct tape and good ideas. It's not been perfect, but damn has it been worth it. With time, we've improved dramatically, and still are - there's a LOT going on in the background!
Hopefully, I'll have more news to share in the coming future. Until then, I'm going to sit back and sip some green tea. I've got a lot more to announce soon, and I think you'll all be rather pleased.
Dragoneer,
FA Lead, Owner
And tis good to know that there's still surprises ahead ^_^
Thank you for starting the trouble.
oh and congrats on ownership deal. you've done so much for FA i think you truely deserve it. ^.=.^
Enjoy your green tea, there's probably gonna be alot to do in the future ;3.
Best of luck to you.
xD
We'll see.
nice work man.... wait FA has only been around for 2 years? hoshit, I'm starting to become one of the 'old' member o.O
Well, if I'm lucky I can get some popularity soon ^^
I do remember browsing FA from Stuttgart from an internet café, and that was 2005 July o_o;
Regardless, congrats.
what are your plans?
FA could use AJAX to lighten the loads here and there...
and you could implement RSS over the last submissions of the watched artists...
or just over the last 10 submissions...
there's also some work to do with the search engine...
Good hands, too :)
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"...What's a sesame grow into? I don't know. We never give them a chance! What the fuck is a 'sesame'?! It's a street. It's a way to open shit."
- Mitch Hedberg, Mitch All Together [continued]
are you going to fix the search functions now, or will that have to wait even longer? :(
And I was sort of worried about your reaction, but I figured you'd do well :)
...na... it's gone now :b
I want this place to be a drama generator. :]
Congrats!! @w@
Bwhahahahaa!
Hmmm...
*Still sitting at computer*
*YAwn*
Ehh... I'll start tommarow...
*Goes back to sleep*
And speaking of portals, gotta go try that game.
I see nothing different =o~
Or
"I liked FA so much - I bought the company."
:)
I was a user on FA, when the site died, I did everything I could with Alkora to help bring it back. Advertised, pimped, helped raise money and manage things. Eventually, fund the site. Ultimately, take the reigns. =P
So, congratulations on this big step - I hope it goes well for you.
You've got my support. This is the only art forum I post my stuff on. (Well, Bender's still has some of my stuff - but that's a special case - and I have some old, old stuff on... VCL? )
Under New Ownership/Management
I hope this all turns out for the best, and I was temporarily worried when I saw the subject line. I'd be off hiatus if I hadn't left my smegging drawing notebook at home.
Furp went for completely separate and different reasons, and isn't involved with FA.
seriously, if they made it in PHP it would have been as good if not better and it would be done by now... nobody's using Perl or Python nowadays for a reason, and it's certainly not just because it's "not cool".
Perl, for one, has had OOP support in it much before PHP, has a much more advanced database managing module, supports Unicode for a few years now, has variable scoping. The only problem? It’s a bitch to get mod_perl to work. And it’s a bit weird to do multi-dimension arrays and hashes in it, though that can be gotten used to.
Python. Unicode support, good DB libraries, really broad and good base library which is actually carefully done unlike PHP’s (which has a dozen naming conventions for the functions for example), is in and by itself an OO language, no hacks needed there, and it’s learnable in an afternoon (PHP people seem to cite how easy it is to learn PHP, well, it was damn easy to learn Python, and it even taught me OO. Beat that.)
Google and NASA use Python for example, and YouTube also runs it. LiveJournal runs on Perl.
Actually, I won't deny Perl and Python are more flexible and versatile, but what the hell will you do with all those damn libraries anyway!? It's a website you're making, not a NASA space shuttle thing program on which the lives of thousands are counted! If you're a good coder (and I mean a good one), you can achieve the same result with half the efforts in PHP. And please, don't cite the current version of FA as an example, they don't even use <div> tags in the html template!!
Major sites like Microsoft's and NewGrounds use respectively ASP and PHP (which are actually the same thing with different names), and they don't seem to think it was a mistake to use these programming languages, far from it. You don't need class heritage and polymorphisms to make a good dynamic website. While you're at it, why don't you make a website in C++, or Pascal, or even Assembly?!
It's possible and not too hard really. It's just rarely done.
Screw those assholes below me, I'm not even assed to read their comment. I like PHP, I hate Python, I hope this site burns in hell.
Don't worry, I was a simpleton mouthbreather with my head up my ass a few years ago too. You'll either get over it or die of methane inhalation.
Feel free to come back when you know something about language design.. or at least about the language you're criticizing.
PHP has actually hindered me a couple times with the idiocies right there in the language (did I mention the variable “scoping” in PHP sucks?) and I have used it a couple times. Pretty much the only good score it gets is that it integrates stupidly well with Apache (and I guess IIS too), and therefore is the least painful to install, and is pretty damn ubiquitous. People don’t even think about exploring and learning anything better or just better designed (hello stupid conflicting naming conventions in the core libs), or more up-to-date (hello unicode), or more secure (hello mysql module), because they will notice they can’t use them, simply because every single webhost (much respect to the exception) seems to think that PHP is the only web language there is. It isn’t. Just as MySQL isn’t the only database out there.
And, <div> does not make the world go around though — it’s about /semantic/ HTML, not let’s-div-everything. I sincerely hope you meant the first one there. People not knowing HTML doesn’t mean they don’t know how to PHP — although the two things often go hand-in-hand, unfortunately.
As for C (let’s give the guy a little credit there), C++ and Pascal and Assembly? Gonna tell you: because they are not meant for the web world at all (although there’s nothing stopping you from writing a blazing fast, optimised C program to be run as a CGI…), where you have to process strings and access databases about 99% of the time.
Microsoft would never use something that isn’t homebrewn, especially not under the reign of Steve Ballmer. So they aren’t a good example really. NewGrounds? Good job, good for them. Never said that a PHP site has to suck. But just as you can pull out examples, I can too, even major players like Google. It’s not like noone uses those programming languages — which was the point, to show that they are being used, and not by small joke-sites either.
And what do we do with all those libraries, caching with memcached, generic database access through sqlalchemy, ability to deploy on multiple web servers with paste, image modification through PIL, and so on and so on.
And finally, ASP and PHP are different languages completely made by different groups. Yes, you don't need classes and polymorphism to make a dynamic website, but they for damn sure make it easier to maintain.
And you might not see it yet but alot of planning has gone into how this rewrite is gonna work so that when it comes out, it's gonna be awesome
You made it clear you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about when I argued you to a pulp on the forums. Your opinions on other languages are worthless, as you have clearly taken barely any time at all to investigate them. If you were really that lost with Python, a language designed from the ground up to be easy to learn, then you are a damn horrible programmer, and I sincerely hope I never have to use whatever godawful code you pump out.
We have amassed a group of intelligent and creative coders who actually know what the hell they're doing -- something I have yet to see in the PHP community. We are actually going to use better, cleaner, more robust, more maintainable technology than lots of print() statements and raw SQL -- something else I rarely see in the PHP community, and in particular cannot see coming from you.
You are the sort of programmer ruining the industry, thinking that anything a braindead monkey can do must be the BEST way because it's "easy".
You are the sort of programmer who thinks the easiest way, rather than the simplest way, is best.
You are the sort of programmer who thinks easy and simple are the same thing.
You are the sort of programmer who copies and pastes rather than using loops and hashes.
You are the sort of programmer who writes increasingly long and bizarre function names rather than using namespaces and closures.
You are the sort of programmer who doesn't bother with a template language because PHP already is one.
You are the sort of programmer who writes obtuse regular expressions to protect against SQL injection because prepared statements are arcane magic to you.
You are the sort of programmer who would just have the whole team hack on a single copy of the codebase.
You are the sort of programmer with no imagination and no drive to learn or improve, who thinks that if basic tools can technically accomplish a task, then there is no reason to seek out or use better tools.
You are the sort of programmer who would build the mess of a codebase we have today, and that is exactly why we want a different sort of programmer. We want to create something amazing, and we are going to use amazing tools and amazing people to do it. Get over your butthurt; we don't want you.
It's not pretty. Ironically, the same people tell me that PHP is way faster than Java... when benchmarking sites have proved that JSP (Java server pages) beats the shit out of PHP and is lots faster. I'm not sure how Perl does performance wise, but I don't really care about what stuff is programmed in, as long it scales well and works nicely.
I'm not too fond of PHP myself as it seems to encourage "hacks" and lazy programming in general, and PHP seems to be generally plagued by security problems. :/
Python is pretty damn speedy, though; probably fast enough to replace C for a GUI language, save for anything super-performance-critical.
I'm a bit split over Perl, even if I hadn't used it much. It seems to be a quite powerful scripting language (lots of my favourite sites are programmed within it), but lots of people also abuses it's syntax to create unreadable code. :P
Perl is, well, Perl. The people who write bad Perl either learned it wrong or would write the same bad code in any language (it's just a lot more obvious in Perl). It's definitely not a language for everyone, but it's not an automatic hairy mess either.
...and my preferred scripting language is a really obscure one too. There's not too many who uses squirrel...
I found Python for Qt programming really damn good, and indeed fast (to develop and to run the thing too) — and it’s easy (and now really obvious) to make things really structured and modular. It seems it’s pretty much a feature of the language, to make you want to break your software down into manageable pieces. Coding in Perl+Gtk2 at work, Perl doesn’t quite make this modularisation as easy as I had hoped (the object system being a sort of hack on the language, rather than “true” support, I guess) — unfortunately my coworkers don’t know Python, so I’ve avoided PyGtk2 so far.
I wish I had more time, I would have applied to Ferrox :| With work and school around, I literally have none.
Once you get used to it, though, it makes sense and doesn't take any time to write a blank class.
So, PHP-man. Where's your fully-completed, maintainable, safe, secure, rapidly-developed PHP-based furaffinity killer? C'mon. Bust the fuck out.
If I ever win the lottery, I'll make a tidy donation to FA =3. D: Man I wish I would win the lottery.
Again, congrats on the purchase, 'neer. ;)
And the peasants rejoiced.
Well, the site is in good hands!
dreams and ideas are one thing, making them alive is another
Now, now... New leadership calls for some nakid flameys don't you agree?
*hugs ya*
*dyes hair green*
Hail Dragoneer! (Goodluck!)
*Hugs you*
Heaven help the first poor bastard to leave a snerky comment on one of your pics, though... *HAND-O-GODBAN*
I mean... That's what I'd do. <.<
ownage
Heart attack......
Anyway... Congrats and YAY!!!!! ^^
Mark
I know you'll keep everything running smotth^^
Seriously though, do we need to start leaving virgin sacrifices to you or something? Wait, I forgot, there are no virgins on the internet X3
A more reliable owner is a good thing. :)
And green tea is good. Not only is it healthy, but it also tastes good. ;3
XD
How does it feel to be the owner of one of the biggest furry communitys on the interwebz?
Congrats
LET THE ENLIGHTENMENT PERIOD COMMENCE
And so I herd all future donations will go forth to financing a Dragoneer inflatable suit from Pretty Pervy.
lol good luck :3
Sweeeet
>w>......
<w<......
..Shall we commence fire on Deviantart & Sheezyart Sir?*salutes*
XD lol jkjkjk
You've already done so much, and we've all come to trust you.
Eglerio! Eglario! Dragoneer!
D.O.P.R
ps. How the hell do you manage all these comments? XD. You must get like 3-400 of them per journal.
*gets on knees and bows
*builds a golden dragoneer
~N~
Great owrk :3
This is really cool! And it was just today as I was practicing to get s scholarship for college. This day truly is memorable!
I thought
Didn't you already
OH WELL CONGRATULATIONS ON OWNING FA. A-AGAIN.
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I'm sure you hear tons of complaints so let me just take this moment to say that I'm grateful to have a great community like FA to share our creativity! Thanks for all your hard work!
Great job!
:D
AWESOME
Dragoneer, you ROCK
Thanks to you and Alkora for stickin with it through these years. ^_^
I wonder how much will change...! ^--^ As long as the rules are strictly followed!
I just hope things don't go abit crazy! X_X
I guess I should find a better way to congrat you ^___^
Really though, what differences will you now face?
Nahh, just kidding... gunna take a screenshot of how the site looks today and compare it with Drag's changes later, just for the sake of it XP
Well done, you!
The folks over at Yiffstar and I wish you the best. It's awesome to see you as the owner now.
- A.C.
so I guess we should call you the bossman now huh ;D
Anyway, glad to see it didn't go to some random person, as I thought when I read the title. And bonus points, because not only are you not random; you have a brain or two!
As I said to a member of the FA staff that I met at AC in Pittsburgh this year, "I am proud to be a member of Fur Affinity" -- and it's people like you two that are a good reason for that.
*neon sign turning on sound*
"A AOL Time Warner Company"
"EBAY!"
Seriously, this makes me happy, dude. Yaaay :)
1) Search
2) Edit/delete comments!
More on 2 -- I constantly find myself adding a new comment to the bottom of a list of comments instead of replaying to the last one. One possible solution, do like LJ does and use CSS display:none; until user clicks on a link that does document.getelementbyid('replydiv').style.display = inline .
Sorry but I remember only Monster Ranchers and little bit of Pokemons :P
im glad that some one that i know is kind is the
bossleader of FA!*hug*I'm worried Dragoneer.. does this now mean your going to start eliminating contributors... Based on your personal bias?
In case your wondering Yea I do know your ego. You blessed me with it some time ago telling me I cant type in a chat room called dragonyiff. Remember that?.. back when you were promoting FA? (Before it became the Hallmark card for furry)
Honestly I doubt you do. I was just some peon to crush under your considerable ego like a fly buzzing around your soup. All I can see in this is you buying a bigger bowl. You might not remember me sir, but I DO remember the way you treated me! I stand up for the folks you forgot to include in your 'hip list' of cool furs... including those that draw or paint stuff YOU don't approve of. Yea that includes digital artists and other persons on your personal shit list like the folks that work with DAZ and Poser.
Now I have to choke down the thought of you stuffing your ego down other furs throats like you did to me. Great.. I'm so happy.. I always wanted a throbbing purple hyena cock rammed down my esophagus.
Today I stand up and call you on your own words.. for the rest of the folks that won't play puppets and inflate your ego. I got your original message loud and clear hun..."Get along with it or get lost." I remember it. I heard you the first time.
So now what happens to us? Should we just 'get along' or just get lost?
I have no more power. None. At all.
Now, yes, I can be direct, and I always have been. I strive to keep things fair and balanced as much as I can and to give people as much freedom as they want here or online.
Apologies have been offered from both sides, and I believe that what was said in the room was a misunderstanding or the product of two minds that just didn't sync.
Personally I consider it a testament to change that Dragoneer and I were able to talk about this incident and to do so in a very constructive manor.
For the record, I would like to formally say that that I was as wrong in dredging this issue back up. After discussing it with Dragoneer I believe we have agreed to consider the subject concluded in hopes of better future communication.
I do have to say I do not condone his actions that night on the channel, but in all honesty I can not condone my actions here either. We were both in the wrong.
I offer my apologies to you Dragoneer, and to you folks that have followed this brief thread.
I hope we can all learn from this...
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So grats Dragoneer on aquiring a very interesting asset. And becoming the target of even MORE sucking up than before.
... As if you need it <.< *does the 'I'm not worthy' bowwing bit.*
:3
but I tried to make some at home
THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT!
Want some more homade sprite?
Not untill you figure out WHAT THE FUCK ELSE is in it!
I am not making a pastramibananabreadcottagecheesesandwidth!
or just use club soda, a real lemon and some of the rind, and a real lime, and some of that rind as well; plus corn syrup.
Congrats Dragoneer!
when can i has more cheezeburgers from you?
That's all i have to say on that note. :D
totally headshot.
And thank you both for making this site because it lets me toss up my music whenever I get something finished ^-^
Congrats though, and really, give me that angel's number.
:P
good for you i couldent handle the responsibilty :P
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