I came, just from the title.

Saw it earlier. I hate nordics, I want some argonians XD

P.s Delicious salmon :P

Omg i Hope my Pc can Handle it when it came out ^^

The graphics are a definite improvement from Oblivion, but they are far from being on part with modern games. Unless your computer is like 5-6 years old, it should be able to run it. Bethesda kinda skimped on the graphical side of things. The game uses DX11, but doesn't even utilize -any- of the DX11 features everyones been craving. Lame >.<

That's because they dumbed it down for consoles. The Xbox is still on DX8 and the PS3 is using an early version of OpenGL2.0 so it's missing some rather basic shaders (That's why lighting looks good but skin looks like plastic). A lot of companies have been catering to the consoles.
Dice is the only one off the top of my head that's saying fuck consoles, we'll shit something out for them later, and is making Battlefield 3 able to utilize modern PC technology :)

Yah, it really blows how everyone is going multi-platform these days. And while consoles encourage this sort of crap, there's good consoles bring to the PC gaming world as well. PC's are a lot more forgiving for lax, inefficient coding(like minecraft). But consoles don't give the coders much room, especially towards the end of the consoles lifespan. Consoles force programmers to figure out how to make the most efficient code they can to try and squeeze out just that little more visual appeal on consoles. Allowing an even smoother running game on PC's as long as it's not a complete shit port.

Skyrim, for example, is going to look great on the PC, albeit not on par with the "revolutionary graphics" Bethesda was known for with there Elder Scrolls series. But non the less, it'll still look great on the PC and not need a top of the line computer to run it near max settings like Morrowind and Oblivion did.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still much rather have a company go all out on graphics and gameplay and see consoles die out. But that will never happen. Consoles, short term, are just to cheap and don't require the user to be technologically savvy in the least. Caters to much to the poor and ghetto to ever die out. Which I find funny because long term, consoles gaming is considerably more expensive then PC gaming XD.

In Skyrims case, I'm guessing that they've just spent to much of there budget and time creating a new sub-par game engine, that they've had to cut short on some of the aspects of Skyrim. They should of just used one of the already proven game engines like Cyrengine3, or at the very least, Unreal3 engine.

How is console gaming "considerably more expensive"?

Initially, it's cheap. 300-600 for a console(until the end of the consoles life and prices drop). Then $60 per game, another 50-60 per controller, other gaming peripheral can skyrocket those costs by another couple hundred per console. Console and peripherals alone can bring the hardware costs as high as 1100. But the real difference here has been the higher costs of games and the fact that console games rarely get very cheap. Even in the bargain bin, a "deal" on a console game is considered between 20 and 30 bucks. A deal on a PC game often reaches considerably lower then that. Many recent games that are less then a year old are still 10-20 bucks more expensive to currently get on console, brand new, then it is to get on PC brand new. Top of the line PC that will last the same lifetime of the console(5 years), runs about 1200-1300 these days.

So yah, in the long run, console gaming is more expensive then PC.

I'd argue that it's about the same.

For a single player or online gamer you don't need more than one controller (and one comes with every console). You also don't need anything extra at all. Extras like motion controllers are just that... extra. Software on the PC is cheaper but the hardware is a LOT more expensive. Buy a new motherboard and CPU... oops. That's the same cost as a console with a big hard drive and you don't have a graphics card, RAM or peripherals or storage.

That depends on if you build your PC to be more capable then the console. If you build your PC to be able to handle the same games as the console, on the same graphical levels, a decent PC runs well under a grand.

True, but even accounting for the software prices, the console ends up quite a bit cheaper. :) Cheaper isn't better, of course.

Developers in general are getting really sick of consoles because of their lifespan and inability to keep up with technological advancements. There's a push starting for things like OnLive where the server runs the PC version of a game at max quality and streams it to a barebones console that's only powerful enough to run youtube, and it works great! The only two problems right now are the low number of datacenters (Which will grow in time) and the US being slow about getting better internet. The latter is expected to change drastically in the next ten years, among other things.

There's been a lot of very informed speculation with the way things are going that consoles are nearing their end, with one, possibly two generations to go. Grade schoolers are now being taught how to build PCs, and with things like smartphones and tablets becoming more and more mainstream, more people have starting learning PCs. Hell, at this point tablets and smartphones can do so much that consoles don't really have anything new to bring to the table other than being a cheap PC that will be outdated and non-upgradeable for the next 8 to 10 years, which with the direction technology is headed is unacceptable.

With cloud computing on the rise and new technologies for crazy-awesome internet speeds in development (That hope to be ready within the next year or two), I'm pretty sure consoles will end up unifying for the most part into basic hardware like OnLive, which would be good for everyone since most of the time game companies are losing money on console sales (And gaining it back with software purchases), but with this system players pay almost nothing for a console and all the money gets made from software instead. Better for everyone's wallet :)

As for Skyrim, at the very least, thank gods they finally dumped Gamebryo. There is actually a chance of it being a good-looking and functional game now ;)

I'm very glad to hear about all that!

I beta's Onlive. It's a great idea. I don't know if they've fixed these issues, but the two major issues I had was nasty latency with FPS's(made crysis single player really difficult to play), and the video quality of the stream was sub par, maybe about 420p.

They have two issues: First, the US is completely behind when it comes to internet speed compared to the rest of the world (Unless you're that one lady on the east coast that figured out how to get 1TB/sec) and the second is they don't have enough data centers in the US, so the further away from the center you are the higher the latency. It's awesome in some areas and slower in others. We haven't had any issues with video quality but some FPS's have lag hiccups here and there due to our distance from the data center. That will fix itself with time :)

My laptop can play modern games at maximum settings or slightly less to get enjoyable frame rates and was $1200. You can easily build a desktop that can play anything for around $800 or less if you go the route of ATi/AMD, add a good 24-26" monitor for 150-200 and you're set. Plus it can do a lot more than a console can. Modding communities for games are huge, I can't imagine playing any Bethesda game on the console because there are no mods.

I'll always be a PC gamer that owns consoles. Some games play better on consoles or do like I did and just get a 360 controller for my laptop.

I really think companies that are going to make games for both PC and console should design high end for the PC and then just use lower resolution textures and simpler shaders for the transition to console.

True dat! I custom build my own ATI/AMD rig early last year and still haven't been able to do anything on it that makes it even break a sweat other than Sculptris (But only because I managed to get 37k triangles in a single point). Games all run fantastic on the thing and it cost me around $700 with monitor to go just a single notch below cutting edge.

I've been a console gamer ever since I was 5 years old. I only switched to PC within the last four years and now at this point I actually want consoles to die. Too many companies are catering to the outdated consoles and completely shafting the PC community (Bioshock 2, Assassin's Creed series, etc) but that's starting to change fast.

So far Dice are the first ones with the balls to make it high end for the PC and port down to the consoles, rather than the reverse. I hope other companies pick up on the trend. Instead they're all getting wet over Nintendo's Wii-U, but with the way Nintendo US has been treating the hardcore gamer crowd, the success in the US for the thing is questionable.

I haven't even glanced at Nintendo since the SNES. I miss Sega though, I still play my Dreamcast. Well, I did when I had it around.

I get annoyed by developers that started as hardcore PC devs and then went the way of the console because of the better profits (I'm looking at you Crytek, Bethesda, ect). Hopefully the huge decrease in the speed of GPU/CPU development and price drop will continue to open up the PC gaming scene and keep it going. I like to believe that Steam and the huge Indie crowd is helping bring people back to the PC and show that you can develop for the casual and hardcore crowd without spending tens of millions.

The huge indie crowd doesn't really help to much, as all there indie games are usually low quality graphics and get ported to the console easily(reference almost the last 10 xbox live games) And now due to XNA, indie games come out more often on the xbox then on the PX. We've got a few recent ones that just came out on the xbox that won't hit PC for another month or so.

I remember Sega though! I had Sega Channel, it was bad ass. But all this stuff is nothing more then nostalgia. Can't hold back progress because you simply miss something.

I'd like to correct something here though. Consoles aren't better at some games then the PC. The only thing that's better is the controller for some games, not the console =p Xbox controllers connect to the PC with no problem what so ever. Sony, however, are douchbags and won't release drivers for there ps3 controller and none of the hacked drivers work very well. But still, consoles are better at anything then the PC XD

I do use an Xbox controller on my computer but Forza is never going to be on PC, unfortunately. However, Console ARE much better than PC's when it comes to split screen/playing games as a big group. I suppose you could hook your PC up to your TV and hope you have some games that offer multiple split screens.

What about us that master both W,A,S,D/mouse AND Controller huh?

Use your controller on the PC :) Wired Xbox and Wiimotes work fine. Don't think PS3 controllers do though.

the only game I have that will let me use my controller is any Source game on Steam, Alien Vs Predator Classic, and anything I have in my set of of Emulator games :p

That doesn't change the fact that if you have mastered both setups, that you will shoot more accuratly and die less playing through the PC version of an FPS then the console.

I think I'd do better playing Cod4 on Xbox than PC

Thank you, was just looking to see if there was any footage from Quakecon xD

Wow...they might actually do it...they might actually make it better then Oblivion...

Oh hell yea. I have got to get me that.

Could have done without the hooting, ah well

Lol yah. They were cheering and hooting over the stupidest stuff XD

I like that the console games got Boo'd :-P

seems like it got removed =/

Content removed :(

video removed D:

ack.. as has been noted a doze times

doggonit, they shanked the movie. I agree with syrinoth tho, that consoles will likely become niche markets in the next few years vs PC stompers.

Which is good, because it means it'll be easier to find mods to make the sexy herps anatomically correct