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12 years ago
I have filed a trouble ticket against the user harassing me - what do the FA mods do? Delete my journal entry and all the information contained therein for calling out a person who is by his own admission mentally ill and threatening to stalk, rape, and steal from me. I have lost all the information in that post, all the names and links posted.
And no one has even replied to my trouble ticket against him. It's been up there for a WEEK.
I am so angry and disappointed with FA's handling of this. This man is DANGEROUS to me, he has posted MY PRIVATE INFORMATION, PHOTOS OF ME, THREATS AGAINST ME, but FA decides to punish the woman, not the man. What the hell?
I have been so shaken up by this whole experience that I don't feel safe here any more. FA mods don't care about my personal safety, or the personal safety of other women with Qarrezel suits whom this man might harass.
I will be leaving FA for good. Whether I will also delete my account is up in the air, since I know some people have favourited my photos of themselves. I'll let you know before doing so.
Still. Holy crap, FA. Fuck you.
And no one has even replied to my trouble ticket against him. It's been up there for a WEEK.
I am so angry and disappointed with FA's handling of this. This man is DANGEROUS to me, he has posted MY PRIVATE INFORMATION, PHOTOS OF ME, THREATS AGAINST ME, but FA decides to punish the woman, not the man. What the hell?
I have been so shaken up by this whole experience that I don't feel safe here any more. FA mods don't care about my personal safety, or the personal safety of other women with Qarrezel suits whom this man might harass.
I will be leaving FA for good. Whether I will also delete my account is up in the air, since I know some people have favourited my photos of themselves. I'll let you know before doing so.
Still. Holy crap, FA. Fuck you.
That is scary.. ;.;
I see ... sorry to see you leave but I think I know how you feel now ... That is a kind of betrayal.
Hope to be able to stay in contact in some other way
EIN
I really wish you safety and good health, and I hope this guy gets a life and leaves you alone. People like him need help, and to re-evaluate their lives. :/ Take care! <3
Viste at Fa var fjern men antok ikke de var så fjerne >=(
sist jeg sjekket linkene Swandog ga til meg var bilder av deg slettet, jeg kan se om jeg kan finne tilbake de hvis du ønsker.
Jeg skjønner utrolig godt at du vil dra, selv om jeg syns det er utrolig synd =/ Faen ta FA folka.
Do stay in contact though! :)
Better keep a local copy of this journal page, too, in case admins will decide to "solve" the problem again by removing any references to it.
I hope everything gets sorted, no one should have to live in fear like that. It's so wrong.
I'm telling you this because harassing you person is probably going to follow you on other websites, not only fA. Leaving fA won't solve the problem. If this man is really dangerous to you, you should contact local police and let them deal with it.
Anyway, best of wishes to you. I lack words for the situation :I
I also hope this won't deter you from coming to EF as usual, but I would understand if it did. :( You will probably want to let the security staff know about the issue. Maybe keep the phone numbers of a few trusted friends on quick-dial, too, if only for your peace of mind.
You are certainly in my good hopes deary, I hope this situation passes and we can continue seeing your wonderful cosplay. <3
Leaving this place is something I agree with, these people are no help.
Inn the mean time, however, don't forget to pop by the Clockwork stream! We miss ya buddy! <3
Will you be on other art sites ? ;-;
"Dragoneer
Posted: 6 hours ago
The admin took the right course of action in this case. I don't feel it's something to leave FA over, as if it happened on FA, it will happen on /any/ site. It's unfortunate, but a choice they have made. I'll respect that."
Dragoneer completely fails to comprehend the situation, as is obvious from his response. This is not something that will happen on /any/ site: I am not leaving FA because of the user harassing me, I am leaving because of the moderator(s) who chose to completely disregard my personal safety and the violation of my privacy (having my real name, age, location, job, and photos of my face posted to this site and others) to protect the privacy of my stalker's online alias.
And I am not 'they'. I am 'she'. The man harassing me is 'he'. This is really the crux of the issue. Is it any wonder that there are so few female furries when no steps are taken by those with the means to protect their safety in a highly sexualised community where, just by identifying as furry, they are labelled as 'attention whores' and made the targets of unwanted sexual advances?
This was not a choice I made. I was forced to do this, because of the FA moderator(s) unwillingness to take seriously the violation of my privacy and the threat against me. I have been a contributing member of this site for 2½ years; the user harassing me has posted nothing but stolen art, threats, and lies. There have been no consequences for him, only for me.
After this experience, of being sexually harassed and threatened, of having my cry for help silenced by those supposed to protect me, and after having a local furry 'out' me to my family without my consent, another violation of my privacy, and the local furry community tell me I was to blame, I have lost my faith in the community's ability to police itself.
I will not be participating in any conventions this year, neither CFz nor EF. I am on the verge of completely severing ties with the furry community at large - not my friends within it, of course, but I will be turning my fursuits into cosplays and I will no longer self-identify as a furry. Maybe in time, I will not feel so angry and disillusioned - but it will be a long time, I think.
It's so damn sad it had to come to this. I hope wherever my stalker is, he realises how much he has hurt me - and stays away from me. As for Dragoneer - he'll respect my decision to leave? Bullshit. If he had any respect for me, any at all, I wouldn't have to.
I am sorry to see you leave, I took pictures of you at CFz last year and I was hoping to again, however I fully understand why you will not associate with this fandom anymore.
From one female furry to another. You will be missed.
What happened? Your parents didnt knew you were a furry?
Does this guy harass you on FA itself?
If so, can you send me a note linking to this harassment? (Be it comments, notes, whatever)
Did you block him yet?
Now, our rules state that callout journals are not allowed, as such, the admin in question did take the right action regarding the journal itself. However, if there is any evidence of the guy harassing you on this site, there must be more we can do. Send me anything you've got. (cerberusnl[at]furaffinity.net, if you prefer)
Now, I must ask you to please understand that, if all of this is happening outside of FA, we have very little we can do against this person, since he's not technically breaking any site rules.
Also, please understand that we can't prevent him from doing anything off of FA.
So, yea, I hope I can help out...
(In case you're wondering why the heck I want all the info you can get me)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:31837225
I knew who was involved in this, I just didn't know all the details, hence the need to look into it. (Aka, contact the admin involved when I wake up)
It's great to see that admins are speaking and acting without knowing the details. It's cases like this one which show well FAs administration functions!
I totally want one of those Banhammers of Infinite Knowledge, then. Maybe I can get some lotto numbers out of it.
Seriously, this is like a couple having a spat and one party asks "What's wrong?" and the other responds "You should already know."
Communication, people. Information does not flow without it. If asking questions is a sign of admin incompetence, we should fire the Senate right now, because their questions aren't even on topic anymore. :)
It's great to see a site member who is so concerned with puffing out their e-chest that they would belittle an admin who is actively trying to resolve such a troubling situation.
In this situation, it took an immense amount of public pressure, people leaving for weasyl and permanent damage done thereby to the sites community for anything to get done.
When people blindly defend FA and/or it's staff they do everyone a disservice by helping to cement this history into place ever firmer.
I wish I saw your pages sooner and got to know you better, but wherever you go I hope its better for you.
I also tried to contact Dragoneer but he is not answering to me. Apparently it is not important to him that his website is used for criminal activities.
"Removed" does not mean destroyed. This is the internet, people. Once it's up, it's out there. Forever!
it's so wrong, that people are scared to be themselves & act on their naturally instilled morals in order to help others. all because of these systems initially put in place to help people, that become turned around, twisted, muddled & manipulated by a select few selfish simpletons. they are indirectly abusing thousands, millions, billions of people. it's disgusting.
I agree it's a sad state of affairs, but we can hardly punish people for not helping when there's the threat of being punished FOR helping.
This can be taken as a very rude, impolite and insensitive gesture, please think before you post, otherwise it is very inconsiderate.
Thank you.
You should know Fredriksam are in police custody and i told the police about his posts here, the flashback story etc.
First, is this other comment left by this user: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:31828651 That seems like a pretty prying/personal question for someone to just ask out of the blue.
Second, the fact that one of their other (now hidden) comments got chastized by others for containing info that was deemed to private to post in public, something he's also notorious for doing. I can't link to the actual comment, but i can link to the first person who replied to it, for the sack of context: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:31827142
And that's to say nothing of the fact that the account is only 7 days old (which would mean that the account was made AFTER Taran blocked her stalker), the fact that he admits to ALSO being from Sweden in his "intro journal", AND the fact that he claims he's besties with the stalker, and that that stalker was why he got into furries. Way, way, WAY too much coincidence, there.
MAYBE I'm wrong, but if I'm not ... this is the giant neon-flashing "get your shit together" sign the FA admins are going to need to respond to. They needed a reason to perma-ban the perp? Welp ... NOW they have it. =/
That said, I also included an IP Ban in the care package I sent for Taran's piece of mind. I respect that she may not come back to the site, but I can at least try to make sure he doesn't do it to anyone else.
Verified that this was a sock puppet account. The Fredriksam account was abandoned then the Garageman account was created moments after with this lovely "story" about what happened. Basically, created a new persona to get around her, but couldn't figure out how to properly do so. This is the kind of evidence we needed from the get-go.
Both accounts have been perma-banned.
Without that, you just have hearsay, which isn't always very reliable. Make sense?
It's like if when someone tried to file a police report the officers would just tell the person to go and investigate the case FOR them, so that all they have to do is make the arrest. That's ... NOT the civilian's job, it's the law-enforcement's. The admins, here, are FA's closest thing to law enforcement, sooo ... yyyyeah. WHY are "civilian" users having to to their work for them, in order to ever actually obtain results? This is starting to become habitual of FA staff, and I REALLY don't like the implications. =/
Law enforcement doesn't work in a vacuum. They require civilians to submit reports, to bring awareness of issues and to provide accurate accounting as they can.
And my grievence is with the fact that admins DID respond to Taran ... but until I brought forth evidence of sock-puppeting by the perp, they were all the WRONG responses. That's ... that's just embarrassing, is what it is.
A ban evasion is far more cut and dry, easier and much faster to investigate. You don't have to get anyone's side of the story, for instance, just look at a server log.
There's also another thing I'd like to know about the admin that initially responded to Tarangryph ticket. What consequences have been pulled out for him?
That sounds about right. :(
Andt he admin who was handling this has stepped down.
Then again, I was helped briskly recently by the admin team so I've got no personal qualms about their competence, but something like this needs to be taken very seriously, and needs to be even more publicly made aware to people by yourself in a journal of your own. There definitely needs to be a formal acknowledgement that any form of repeated harassment will NOT be tolerated on this site -- perhaps include a clause where admins CAN and SHOULD, in certain situations, take into consideration proof about another user harassing another on another site. At the very least, we can make a stand that no matter what, you will take a stand to always make FA as safe as you possibly can.
I'd say that filing a harassment ticket is contacting staff. Staff you are part of. Staff you are head of. Staff you are responsible for. You should've long since realized that admins you so recklessly recruit will act on your behalf and as FA itself. Seeing that users have to come to you is bad enough sign that you should immediately check the whole situation, instead of blindly saying that admin's actions were legit. Yes, blindly - because not replying in any way to ticket and punishing the person filling it is not legit in any way.
He has stepped down you say. He should've been thrown out before having a chance to step down, including public statement of what happened (with no nicks mentioned) AND at least an apology and promise that this would not happen again.
Until your comment, I had absolutely no idea what happened to that admin, what is her gender, and who it is at all. I do not need to know it. That's why there is no need for personal journals somewhere out there barely anyone sees - there should be a public announcement that "that admin who initially responded to Taran's trouble ticket" has stepped down/been dismissed. No nicks mentioned, let the admin take consequence in being thrown out and feeling bad. This way no one knows who it was and no one will put any direct shame on that admin. Community is informed better and taken care of, and most importantly - taken seriously. It also could restore some credibility to FA staff and show that no admin is free from consequences (because now admins can do what they want - stepping down voluntarily is not a consequence, it's a choice).
I hope you understand my point of view better now :]
..............W ... -What-...? Are you SERIOUSLY serious? Seriously? Truly and sincerely?
Just about EVERY single admin, without fail, has it written ON their profiles NOT to come to them directly. It's IMPRINTED into people to NOT contact admins directly about issues, and simply abide by the "file a TT and wait" modus operandi. Which Taran DID. Granted, your OWN profile has a slight variation to this same message, with a notable difference:
"NOTICE: Due to the overwhelming amount of notes that I receive please note that response times may vary. If you need assistance please open a Trouble Ticket. Do not note me regarding FA issues unless you have already opened a ticket. Our staff will respond to you as soon as we are able."
Sure, users are advised to contact you directly AFTER filing a TT ... but given your own admission, RIGHT in your notice, that you receive bazillions of notes per day, don't you find it EXTREMELY asinine to expect someone being threatened with RL rape to place all her hopes upon your hopelessly-overflowing inbox? It's the equivalent of calling 911 and being put on hold while a chainsaw-wielding psychopath is trying to break into your house.
Truly--what is the point of even HAVING staff, if your first and primary response is to insist that ALL emergency situations be directed towards you, rather than having your other admins attend to it? Is your staff ill-trained to properly handle emergency situations? If so that's ... EXTREMELY disturbing. To go back to the previous metaphor, it's akin to having dozens of people at the phone lines for non-emergency calls, but only ONE person on the emergency line. It's ... HORRIFICALLY inefficient. =/
That disclaimer bit below it is for Notes. Email? Email is the fastest way to contact him about a serious issue.
Understandably, Taran may not have known that they could do that :(
If a couple thousand people all decide at the same time to avoid the line at the front door by going through the back door ... you just end up making another line. =/
But it's worth a try for the sake of being able to say you tried.
Even if you have multiple methods of reaching that ONE emergency dispatcher in a crisis ... it doesn't change the fact that there's only ONE dispatcher.
Neer, by his own admission, here, is basically appointing himself the SOLE solitary go-to person in the event of an emergency situation that isn't being addressed quickly enough by the TT system. Am I the only sane person, here, that finds that to be a CRITICAL design flaw within the structural integrity of this site's rule enforcement? There needs to be MULTIPLE go-to people for these situations. Other admins, appointed by Neer, that users can turn to directly, if a time-sensitive crisis isn't being taken care of fast enough via ticket.
Leaving it all hanging upon ONE human being, on a site that boasts tens of thousands of users? That's BEYOND insane, and it's a structure that is, at its very core, doomed to fail. In other words, situations like this will KEEP happening.
I don't expect the best decisions or a well-oiled set-up for moderation on this site. I honestly think a lot of people on this website feel 'entitled' to the best and most responsive administration, they get upset that they don't get it, and then they leave. They are upset because a website that holds such a strong community has less than optimum administration response. It eats their shorts.
alas, there is no perfect website for furries.
Hell, deviantart pays their admins and still people are unhappy with decisions made by administration. It just tends to happen more frequently when the people running the site do it in their spare time. *coughs*
There's a lot of things that could be better about this website so I'm not going to sit here and judge people who decide to leave. People aren't perfect. People make mistakes. A lot of people made mistakes in this mess.
I'm not shocked or surprised. I also don't expect Dragoneer or any member of his staff to keep me safe on the internet. I was always under the assumption that was my own responsibility.
"NOTICE: Due to the overwhelming amount of notes that I receive please note that response times may vary. If you need assistance please open a Trouble Ticket. Do not note me regarding FA issues unless you have already opened a ticket. Our staff will respond to you as soon as we are able."
That's beyond conflicting information and only confuses us users more. Which is it? What's the actual truth here? I smell something fishy.
I will continue to keep my eyes open if he shows up again here or on other sites. I hope we can stop his activities and make Taran feel safe again.
EIN
On a more serious note though...that's just creepy as fuck
But thanks, I appreciate the praise. I'm genuinely surprised I actually have "fans", hehe. ^.^;;
I literally seek out your avatar and read what you have to say - you're one of the few that makes sense of situations.
I think the last bout I saw you in was the issue of the stolen fursuit head drama?
Very good work there. And even better here - it's sad you're doing the admin team's jobs for them.
Nice to see where you stand dude.
I'm so sorry that this happened and equally sorry Dragoneer seriously doesn't give a rats ass.
karma will kick his face in. I wonder what he would've done if his wife was the target of this guy's harassment? Go "Oh it happens everywhere"?
Fuck this dumb shit.
I noticed the stalker dude is from Sweden like me, found him on facebook, he mentioned in one of his posts there that he was going to visit you when going to Denmark (he didn't go there though). He obviously is mentally ill in some way, so it really makes me feel disgusted that the admins won't help you with this situation. :(
FA commonly deletes "attack journals", as they don't usually serve a purpose. This isn't FA defending "the man" and punishing "the woman". It's just the rules.
If the admins really gave ANY sort of shit about policing ALL of their policies, both Taran AND her stalker would have been reprimanded, but such was not the case. That's the entire core of the issue.
I don't really see how having your admins actually follow your TOS and remain neutral in the face of off-site drama matters when it pertains to FA is a "warped principle".
These things fall VERY much within FA's jurisdiction and NOT acting is nothing short of neglect of their duties.
So I suppose that officially renders this entire disagreement moot, hrmm?
Also why hasn't she informed police?
(I know blocking does nothing, but not blocking is retarded if you are gonna sit there and take it and do absolutely nothing. Along with leaving a site because of a stalker won't fix it either.)
Also, highly doubt it would be obstruction of justice in any case. I'll have to consult my e-lawyers on it though.
No one should have to leave a website because of a dumb cyberstalker.
I wish you a happy upcoming life.
Walking away does nothing.
Although I'm a very small part of the Clockwork Clan, it's a very big part of me... see you on Weasyl!
I don't understand. Besides male privilege and heteronormativity, what does gender have to do with any of this?
It's more that the "trope" and the reality generally tend to match up. *shrugs*
A society that enforced equality in the literal sense, rather than the interpretive sense, would produce nothing but poorly-educated hard-ass bullies.
This really does have nothing to do with gender.
But. I'll tell you where the snag is.
You have someone make a stalking claim. A lot of us see it one way or the other, but the proper way to see something of a serious psychological nature is Schroedinger's cat. That it both did and did not occur, so we can pursue the best option.
Some folks are seeing the 'no immediate proof' side, and it's a valid side. You cannot expect staff to ban someone if you don't have something.
Some folks are seeing the 'marginalized' side. That's also a presumably valid side. If Taran's claim is substantive, she feels victimized, and it's important to handle the matter with concern and transparency.
I believe the admin, from what I'm gathering, got the first side just fine. But he neglected the second side. Hence the outrage that some people see and some do not.
You need to treat a matter like this as if both are valid possibilities. ... And Dragoneer, I'll add that first of all, you cannot be magically expected to have handled this if you were not contacted. You are not omniscient. But that staff member, if he did not discuss what was going on and at least giving the possibility of credence to the victim, he botched it. And it's good for... well, everyone to know, really. Allegations of this nature are serious. You cannot run off with a presumption of guilt. Or innocence, oddly enough. That's the baffling one to people. But when you talk with the victim, you should acknowledge the possibility. NOT the certainty. And you go from there.
But to the original point, because I don't wanna flood up this matter which I'm sure is getting enough talk. This DOES have nothing to do with gender.
It's subjective.
At least that why my legal friends said when I asked them.
Though really what exactly do you expect Dragoneer to do?
Must be terrifying to see stuff like this going on.
Especially if one party has the feeling the other knows everything about them.
But I wonder where did he get all these information/ pictures from? D:
I mean stuff has to be posted first to get found usually ( on't take it as blaming the victim, it is NOT meant like this ).
I can only advice to protect your real identity in the internet at all costs :c
In this case: fuck
I'm pretty inclined to follow my stance that, I strongly feel instead of running off the site? She take a stand and make a difference. Make an example out of this kid who won't stop.. Stitch the community together and make it stronger and have people watch for bad apples like this because if they don't? They just get WORSE.
I also don't rely on FA tickets.. they're not reliable and don't really work. I made a ticket that took WELL over 2 months to get a response to a harassment claim.. which is too slow.
So. that said, the issue is the community itself and the lack of timely fashion. They need to triage tickets and when it comes to harassment, those need to be taken priority over 'I can't figure out how this works'..
*Is a RL victim of a stalker from City of Toronto* Club district, this guy got my number no matter how many times I changed it, showed up at my place, I moved and it still happened, I ended up calling police, but they couldn't ID the guy and in the end I left the city... I was 17 then, young and scared shitless.. I was also FEMALE.. then. >>; I'm a transgender and in process of claiming a legal gender change.
I hate having to out myself but I've already had people throwing 'but you're not female and can't understand' and I say Eff You for daring to make assumptions to people who do think that way. Rawwwr... but yes, I feel she should stand her ground and not accept bullying or the bully to win. IT's how women's rights have become what they are today, because they got sick of it and stood their ground and demanded change.
. . .
If I was receiving any stalker behavior, I would never put my faith in another person (moderator) and simply 'hope' they do the right thing in a timely manner. I wouldn't even just 'leave it' with the police. In this instance, I would have also left. The immediate threat was seemingly ignored & not acted upon in an appropriate manner. If the purported events are true, I cannot underline enough what a massive failure this is. This bodes ill for any that may (and probably will at some point) follow suit with other users in future. The priorities of the admin(s) are seriously out of whack. Do you trust & support that kind of attitude?
Scary and it sucks.
always good to do research http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum.....king-laws.html
We beleive the Admins and their crew are STILL fucking retards, because they can't punish fairly, or get their heads out of their asses, amongst other reasons.
Don't forget the amount of emotionsl terror and outrage from the community it took before action was taken into consideration even a little.
Fuck You.
I'm gone from here.
im sad that you will leave us Taran ill miss you my friend and hope to still have some contact with you and a safe one as well.
*hugs*
In the meantime, I'm gonna investigate Weasyl and pack my bags.
Good luck, hun.
hopefully now they'll stop being lasy and take some more time and effort into investigating before going 'nope not our problem'
because yeah. it is their problem. they are the ones with the control to stop these fucks from continuing their bullshit.
Facebook will go out of their way to take this sort of thing TO AUTHORITIES with given information so something can be properly done.
but what FA can't be bothered?
I can't say weasley is any better at handling these situations as i know from a bit of experience with their admins and from the effects of some one else that they arn't exactly on par as a better place to flee to. however it's got a cleaner slate than FA for sure.
how many times is it going to take something major getting out to the MASS public to get the sites shit in gear huh?
you should read the response post first <_<
Unless people start paying FA taxes, we're not a government, but a private entity. If FA was a storefront business, we would be unable to discriminate based on several items, but we could kick out anyone for any other reason, just like Starbucks can kick out someone yelling at the Barrissta.
C: everyone seems to call it weasly. Lol
Your example of truth being defined as someone saying they genuinely feel threatened is exactly only true if there are provable examples of the harassment. Also with something like stalking.. that's not up to the administration to police or take action on. There is no legal requirement for them to do and also warning someone of a stalker on a site where call out journals are not permitted... not exactly a good idea. Two wrongs do not make a right. I still stand by the adminstration's initial decision on the matter. What people do off-site is not their concern no matter what it is. But the moment the site's policy is violated then yes action can and should be taken and it was. Just people did not exactly like the initial response because she broke the rules and did a call out journal.
I understand it's a scary thing when you have someone on your tail like that and making some pretty serious threats. Fortunately from the comments I've read earlier said person is in police custody. Also you will note Dragoneer had reported too that this person did not block the harasser at all. When someone is harassing you... it's called "block"... but we won't dive back into my rant on people taking personal responsibility victim or otherwise.
TL;DR Admins did in this case exactly what they were meant to and should not be expected to take any action against someone because someone feels threatened and there is no reasonable proof that someone is doing it on the website they are running. Only when the harasser takes action on the website is when administration can and should do something.
Taking away a right to verbal protest/defense is just more of the same thing. It's all about making the people feel powerless.
Unfortunately, noone's been blatant enough about it yet to attract the attention of those in charge, at least not enough to force any new laws or restrictions.
In all my experience with him (which has not been much), he's been very polite.
I just found out that your stalker has been banned,or at least temporarily suspended, from Fur Affinity! I have also learned that your journal wasn't completely deleted, just hidden, probably to prevent drama.
You can see the evidence of
And what comes to trouble tickets, I've used those once. It took over a month before I got reply, they didn't fix the problem I had, but closed the ticket, and never replied to my following message. Uh... Well, my problem was miniscule compared to yours anyway.
Yeah maybe the OP of this journal was wrong in making a call out but I found it appalling that admins would take maybe an important journal that was meant as a warning instead of a callout in face value; along with the comments of the offender in face value as well.
Maybe I'm missing something but I find it very inexcusable to just delete the journal without investigating the offender's data more thoroughly and probably cooperating with the OP more? Along with any hidden evidence on OP's shoutbox by said offender or sockpuppet account similar to said offender that can possibly be block evading. Honestly, I don't think OP would have caused such a big a stir if someone had really contacted her about everything instead of just deleting her journal; which in turn made her feel SHE was being punished, not the offender..
I know in fact the admin who had handled the issue in question did contact her, but she was really offended that her journal was taken down to further work with the issue.
I honestly believe that a lot more communication in this issue wouldn't have blown it up so hard.
The reason many users are reacting in such a way are BECAUSE of the way it was handled and how OP reacted..
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There's a lot more things said but I'd just cut things short for now..
As much as i AGREE with your Opinion, i DISAGREE that it should be implamented due to the fact that most people would abuse the HELL out of the system you described.
Yeah I agree but also past me was just saying it could have gone another way, if that makes sense? I wasn't saying it should be implemented but I know words give different connotations and let's say the journal in question didn't seem so callouty but more of a warning and OP was panicked so she felt she needed to post about it publicly?
I mean now that's its blown over its all said and done so there's really not much to say about it anymore. I realize now that the admin in question who did handle it was put in a tricky spot to deal with all of this.And honestly we all can say that this situation could have been a lot lot worse where, let's say the stalker blew up the matter as well to the point wed have to choose a side. But I digress, even so, Even a month later I really don't have much to work with because I didn't see the journal in question/ have screens or have even seen the offender's comments or the OPs comment so I really am not legitimate as far as how things went!
I'd even write an essay exploring why both sides are wrong; especially with that comment above by the OP saying the "because I'm a woman bit", but yeah, again I digress---
"Think of the power incredibly Popular FA members would have if this was allowed."
Uh, and you're saying you don't really see popular people now influencing other people to do things right now? Cause I dunno about you but after this whole mess happened some people started jumping off the FA boat. And the reason its big is not only cause this person blew up about it, another person did as well. Then it began a whole snowball effect of "oh this site is lame blahblahblah". Not to mention almost everyone spamming dragoneers shout box and hassling him over the matter.
I mean even month ago me at one point was like oh this situation sucks but I realize there's nothing we can do now anyway and it seemed to be the case of who could shout the loudest to get the whole crowd pissed about one small issue that could have been handled differently.
I really wish Furaffinity has a clear place to say how to handle harassment/stalking, or a clear place to reiterate the AUP. Cause honestly we have too many people bypassing rules or doing stupid things well within the grey area of illegal or even stepping past the ToS.
I mean anyone could honestly miss what is in the AUP or even forget it exists.
And you state she should have contacted multiple admins about it? Well, I honestly wished they had a guide about that, cause usually if someone has a problem they expect the first admin to deal with it to finish the problem, or atleast pass it off to someone more competent in handling it. (Atleast that's the type of service I receive when I had problems on other sites). I mean, I don't go out of my way to bother two admins about one issue when they all have their trouble tickets to deal with.
A old friend of mine turned against me and told me to die in a ditch and kept harassing and threatening me and what did they do? Nothing. They simply gave her some pathetic warning and took two weeks to respond to my concerns. She still uses the same accounts to target me every now and then and even knows where I live! It's a horrid thing to think every time I go out that she could be just around the corner *shudders* if I do see her she simply glares at me these days!
I hope everything is better now for you and that particular user has left you alone. If not- I'd suggest getting the police involved if you haven't done so already.
Wishing you the very best regards :)
It marked the beginning of exodus 1.0, aka how to not run a site properly and make your user to go uprise against you.