I'm glad some folks have logical opinions. :)

I've got mixed feelings on this whole ordeal. But knowing me, I won't be going anywhere lol.
It's nice to see another viewpoint on the situation.

Mind you, I run AdBlock Plus and Ghostery so I wouldn't know for sure, but I've heard some of these ads that are showing up have adware and other malware that infect your computer just from loading up that webpage that it is on.

I hope that's not the case! I usually keep my anti-virus software running all the time though and as far as I can see it hasn't picked up anything from FA!

But again, it could be different for other folks given I haven't even seen the advertisements they complain about.

And I'm not leaving as well even though I don't like looking at those adds

Even if I did move I'd be going from relative obscurity to just plain obscurity considering I don't really have a fanbase (or anyone for that matter) that would care if I moved.

But as of now, I've no reason to move. My obscurity lets me evade drama and porn Ads on a site with porn in it isn't much of an issue. Granted, I never saw such ads myself beyond stuff other users have shown, and I don't even use adblock.

And to think, the odd thing I've noticed is I've never seen any of these ads myself. I've turned off my adblock to see what everyone was talking about, got nothing like what I've been hearing about, even after testing with and without SFW active.

That's the thing to me too; I don't run adblock on Furaffinity anymore because I like seeing the adverts other artists put up. The ads I've seen are for spanish cell-phone services, a local car dealer, a fitness company, IMVU, Century Link, and Join.me. That's about it, really. I haven't seen any pornographic ads myself.

I think there is a huge misconception on how having a parent site works. I could be wrong, but having seen this happen on other websites, I have reason to believe that the FA staff had no clue what content the ads would have before IMVU implemented them. Dragoneer doesn't own FA anymore so when he's handed an exciting order down from the IMVU bosses, he probably isn't given a chance to review or inspect things like. I'm going to take a bet that he was told "there will be more adult ads" and it was left at that. Most likely, the FA staff and Dragoneer himself were not given the opportunity to review the ads before they were implemented and were just as surprised as we were.

Given there are thousands of different ads in circulation (for example I get many relevant to my location such as local car dealerships) so there's no way the staff could single handedly review all the content of said ads given they may be generated from a third party that imvu has negotiated with. That's why Staff are politely asking users to report malicious or obscene ads so they can be directed back to "the boss" as unacceptable and filtered out of use. On all honesty, if my concept of the situation is correct, then I assume Dragoneer is pretty busy trying to contest this issue with IMVU and doing his best to clean up the mess that he was handed from the ladder above him. The willingness to negotiate the removal of these ads is certainly something I appreciate and if don't think poorly of the admins for trying to get them cleaned up and removed, which is hardly lazy at all :x

To be completely honest, in making a journal saying I planned to stay I didn't really invite discussion about the site itself. If I were looking to argue, I would have posted on one of the site journals. My personal choice is to continue servicing my fans here and I would hope that choice is one that could be respected. I've invested nearly ten years in this community so I do plan on staying so your personal feelings won't be swaying me.

I really think you have a very biased view on the situation especially given you have the idea that Dragoneer has been making mad money on FA for the last ten years. The implication that "Dragoneer is all about the money" holds no weight with me because I feel that of your acusation were true, he would have sold the site years ago. Hell, if he really was all about the money, I assume he would have taken what he got from imvu and left FA altogether so he wouldn't have to deal with the mess that is running this site anymore. In all honesty, if I were him I think I would have done just that since this community is always out to shoot him down and I don't think I personally would have the resolve to stick with it. The fact that he stays and tries to clean up the messes constantly makes me feel that his investment to this community is about more than money. But that's just my personal perspective. Then again I tend to not believe what people tell on social media and drama communities until I've seen fact presented rather than speculation.

But it seems clear you have a very heavy distrust for him and dislike the website, so I'm curious as to why you're staying and wasting all this effort to try and shoot down the community that I had just expressed having holding dead to me rather than taking your patronage elsewhere? I don't really have interest on hearing your conspiracy theories and I'm sorry to sound dismissive but in being brutally honest, that's all I see in these paragraphs.


Your idea of changes are very different from mine; a few advertisements don't really stike me as horrific as it does you? I've seen no bad changes to the website because as long as it functions as a place to post my work, doesn't have consistent down times and continues to give my fanbase a means to view my work, then I have no complaints. Oodly enough, since the sale, FA has run better than ever for me as an artist where as in the past downtimes were often and uploading resulted in Cloudflare errors. I've seen none of that since January. This website offers it's services to us for free with no "pay to play" style nonse like Deviantart pulls and I'm actually happy to see that hasn't changed despite the switch of ownership. However, as one of many artists that generates their income through clientele that use this website, I also wouldn't be opposed to paying for the service either. I'm not offended to see a company make money for providing a service because at the end of the day, that's what I'm doing, is it not? If I had the option to pay for a service that enables me to generate my income then I would be happy to do so! That's why I pay for the services I already use such as Picarto's premium service, my setmore account that helps me schedule my clients, and why I never have attempted to dodge paypal fees. Websites like FA are incredibly valuable to freelancers like myself so if IMVU runs advertisements to generate profit in return for keeping this website running smoothly, then I'm perfectly fine with it, even more so knowing that staff are taking account of the ads they may have malicious spyware and sending requests for removal.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't feel like I'm obligated to trust or distrust Dragoneer; he is irrelevant to weather or not the website is still functional, which is all that matters to me. I'm not on FA to get dragged into anyone's politics; I'm here to cater to the fanbase that gives me so much in return. They are and always will be my main priority.

I think you misunderstand the concept here; I said I didn't want large arguments on my journal. That's not creating an echo-chamber nor does it mean I don't understand a situation; it means that I want you to have respect for me as an artist and vocalize your holier than thou dribble where it's appropriate. A Journal that alerts my fans that I won't be leaving isn't that place and despite not wanting to get involved, I still bothered to reply to you and hold discussion. But then you began heckling my other watchers and that's when I put my foot down.

As I said before, if you have such a hatred for this website, why don't you leave? Why are you here? Do you feel some obligational duty to run around regurgitating twitter conspiracy theories to people that don't care? You point a finger at me and imply I am ignorant yet here you are crusading against a wesbite that you're still using as a mouth piece? Do you lack that self awareness? If FA is such a burden to you, leave. You do not have to exist here, so why stay?

You came into my journal, guns 'a blazin' with the intent to try and sway me and my followers into bailing on the site and when you were returned indifference you because condescending and hostile. Sorry if I don't take kindly to that? You came in here to cause conflict because I said I didn't care about the website's changes and then brand me as "unable to understand". The wonderful fallacy of your argument here is that because I disagree, you assume I don't comprehend; That's absolutely not true. My indifference was well explained many times and your lack of comprehension does not equate my own, lol.

Like I said, if you're in such a rootin' tootin' mood to argue, take it here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6831187

I think the ads are pretty bad but I think leaving the community over it is more than extreme.

I had issues with FA as a website long before this nonsense but I don't like the way these people are ready to crucify Dragoneer over this.

Ads are a minor issue and not really worthy of outrage. As far as far as evil business decisions go this is pretty far below EA, Konami, the entire oil industry, the military industrial complex, Wal☆Mart, McDonald's, Hobby Lobby, Telecoms, Nintendo, YouTube, Capcom, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

Yeah, in all honesty I've seen improved site performance since the sale to IMVU; Some things have been cruddy like the advertisements but as an artist I'm happy that I'm not seeing downtimes or cloudlfare errors while I try to upload. As long as the site functions, I have no complaints. Then again, I don't complain in public anyways because FA gives me so much (a venue to broadcast myself to over 10,000 people and generate my income via commissions) at zero cost to me so I don't feel I am in any position to complain anyways. I don't bite the hand that feeds, lol.

At least the IMVU ads weren't as... Ah...
Explicit.

how many times have people "quit" FA; I'm losing count

I don't know off hand; it seems like a monthly event these days. I just tend to unwatch artists when they say their leaving since it's empty space on my watchlist. If they come back, I usually miss out on it.

I'm the opposite; I'm actively trying to use this site more in spite of it's problems; maybe I'm just an optimist.

Anuvia you continue to present yourself as professional AND sensible. I wish you only luck and good fortune in your business and practice.
SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND!

Now I want to put on some Pink Floyd and jam out <3

Yeah... I'm putting some of my work on alternate sites for people leaving FA. For meow, like always, I'll be staying too <3

As for ads I guess to put in my two cents, I just liked it a lot more when I just saw furry porn ads xD

hardcore clickbait ads and crap make it feel like I'm on some struggling site like Writing.com lol, where they legit refuse to operate for you if you have adblock turned on xD

Seems everyone takes the situation out of control and so many people just want to have a excuse to leave for no valid reason there is always adblock X3.

The only kind of advertising that I've seen so far over here, are nordic European countries selling their electronics/video games etc. So in my case, there's some localization going on with these ads, and I'm okay with that.

There is no need to repeat yourself to other people. They can read the comment thread we are having. This used has expressed that they haven't seen any adult advertisements so your cautionary explanation and jabs at FA staff are unwarranted.

My journal is not the place for you to dredge up drama. If you'd like to have these discussions, take it to the FA staff journal.

It's not just about the nature of the ads. On a furry themed site, you would expect more furry-related ads instead of your typical 'fuck 20 bitches a day' stuff.

Also, several people have reported getting malware from these ads, so that's another issue.

Adult ads? Other than something Furious or Bad Dragon came up with that are already here, the only ad I've been see is a tech, fabric, housing, and even a TV remote ad. There is that eye sore IMUV has on occasion but I haven't seen anything having a dick, tits, or even cheese! CHEESE!!!
And this is coming from a guy who doesn't use Adblock, ever. . . .so far.

This porn prevents me from enjoying this other porn! RABBLE RABBLE!

I still don't understand their transgressions myself. It is nice to see rationality in others. With all that's going in the world, it's nice to see people think.