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==Banner Update==
After an exceptionally long winter, we're happy to have Nightlinez jump in with an amazing new banner. We will work to ensure Summer is not a excessively long one, and is followed up by Fall.
==Server Upgrades==
We will be transitioning to new servers soon, and are in the process of migrating our data. Our database server is being upgraded to full SSD with redundant HDD backup server mirroring the main database. This should help users with faster response on the site and make day-to-day usage better overall.
In addition, our new storage server will be going live, and with it we will be greatly increasing upload caps to help, for example, better accommodate musicians and podcasters by raising audio files will be raised to 50MB.
While we do not expect any downtime with the server changes we will notify the community in advance should any need for downtime arise.
==Advertising Changes==
We've enabled mature third party ads on submissions which contain adult content. These ads will also show up on any page where adult content is visible (such as in a thumbnail). The system was recently updated to detect whether a page has general-rated content or contains adult material, and displays ads accordingly.
We understand the general community concern with third party ads, especially adult ones. We will be monitoring the content of the ads and pruning those which exceed the lines. While the ads may contain strong language, the ads are setup so as to not show extreme content.
Users who find malicious ads can report them directly by sending a note to Dragoneer. Please be sure to include a screenshot of the ad, and (if you’re able) a link to where the ad’s URL.
==UI Updates==
We have been monitoring feedback regarding the UI Beta and fixing reported errors (missing keywords, display problems, general fixes) and will be making some significant changes. In the next few weeks (by mid-July) m.furaffinity.net can be used to access the mobile version of the site while the standard www.furaffinity.net will work with the desktop. Changes are also being made based on your feedback regarding zooming, font size and other fixes to the site templates.
[EDIT]
The mature ads have been scaled back while we remove campaigns which violated the limitations we implemented. Users should only see a limited amount per 24 hour period while we evaluate them on our side.
[EDIT 2]
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site.
After an exceptionally long winter, we're happy to have Nightlinez jump in with an amazing new banner. We will work to ensure Summer is not a excessively long one, and is followed up by Fall.
nightlinez
nightlinez==Server Upgrades==
We will be transitioning to new servers soon, and are in the process of migrating our data. Our database server is being upgraded to full SSD with redundant HDD backup server mirroring the main database. This should help users with faster response on the site and make day-to-day usage better overall.
In addition, our new storage server will be going live, and with it we will be greatly increasing upload caps to help, for example, better accommodate musicians and podcasters by raising audio files will be raised to 50MB.
While we do not expect any downtime with the server changes we will notify the community in advance should any need for downtime arise.
==Advertising Changes==
We've enabled mature third party ads on submissions which contain adult content. These ads will also show up on any page where adult content is visible (such as in a thumbnail). The system was recently updated to detect whether a page has general-rated content or contains adult material, and displays ads accordingly.
We understand the general community concern with third party ads, especially adult ones. We will be monitoring the content of the ads and pruning those which exceed the lines. While the ads may contain strong language, the ads are setup so as to not show extreme content.
Users who find malicious ads can report them directly by sending a note to Dragoneer. Please be sure to include a screenshot of the ad, and (if you’re able) a link to where the ad’s URL.
==UI Updates==
We have been monitoring feedback regarding the UI Beta and fixing reported errors (missing keywords, display problems, general fixes) and will be making some significant changes. In the next few weeks (by mid-July) m.furaffinity.net can be used to access the mobile version of the site while the standard www.furaffinity.net will work with the desktop. Changes are also being made based on your feedback regarding zooming, font size and other fixes to the site templates.
[EDIT]
The mature ads have been scaled back while we remove campaigns which violated the limitations we implemented. Users should only see a limited amount per 24 hour period while we evaluate them on our side.
[EDIT 2]
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site.
I love the new banner
Though I find whoever runs FA now to make such poor choices. Like WHY would you think that's OK to do?
HOW would that even help your business, it's going to make people get fed up one day if they keep this bullshit up.
What Im wondering is if Dragoneer even has a choice in these decisions as he works under IMVU. Running FA has got to be tough, but this is a disastrous PR choice.
The saddest part about people getting fed up on FA is that when they leave FA, they find out quickly that
A. (as an artist) - there is simply not the same amount of clientele available to sell your art to on other sites (furry art specifically)
B. (as a user in general) - there isnt a community that is meant specifically for furries that is anywhere as active :<
also Weasyl is honestly so much better to its userbase, and seems to get tons of people to register whenever shit like this happens on FA
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
let's pack up and go to weasyl
it seems promising enough.
For example ive been trying to build my tumblr following for a while now but only have about 30 followers and only 2 of them are active
Posting this on all my comments hoping people care enough to listen!
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
it wasnt as lightweight as you think, even before this cancer of advertising. and now its just plain horrid (unless you adblock)
FA remains on top because people are lazy and dont want to pick up their shit and move.
Inkbunny has a similar layout, if thats what you're after.
not to mention both IB and Weasyl have been growing at alarming rates ever since the IMVU buyout announcement.
The Access Pass allows for some adult themes and erotic items, but items meant to depict sexual intercourse and such are not allowed on the site.
People who produce them use them illegally.
From dicks and sex poses, purging heavily adult groups and public rooms, and you can't even have lewd stuff in your little pop-up profile tags or "status" which a lot of people used to list kinks, bdsm related relations, etc.
So yeah, even if IMVU is a watered down secondlife, it's certainly not made for porn and you'll find the ones running it will make damn sure it stays that way U:
For somebody who loves this fandom for more than just animated dick pics this is the last straw. Sorry guys, but I'm fucking done. Peace.
also holy fuck i cannot believe this ad thing. oh my god. who sat down and legitimately though this is a good idea?! it's not. it's the worst. please undo.
-conspiracytheorymodeon-maybe it's because of imvu-conspiracytheorymodeoff-
IT'S CAUSE I HAVE NO LIFE OK
I for one welcome our nightlinez overlord
'Wow' doesn't even begin to cover it. Sorry to hijack your comment. Here's some more 'wow':
http://i.imgur.com/LUHpm8Uh.jpg
https://twitter.com/Novemurr/status.....522624/photo/1
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16902997/
http://abload.de/img/adslgqrx.jpg
This is some bullshit. They appear if you've ever visited anything mature ONCE and they still appear on SFW mode and SFW material.
I hate this goddamned site.
I want off Mr Bone's Wild Ride now
That show up EVERYWHERE (adult content submissions or not)...
It ALMOST makes me want to leave FA (which is where I have the most views and art -.- ).
Fuck I mean even if I do want to see a furry dick, I don't want advertisements to porn sites ffs.
I don't know WHY the fuck FA thought allowing NSFW ads was a good idea. There's not a porn site on earth that has safe adult-oriented ads. They're virtually guaranteed to be malware by promise of adult material alone. And FA, a website for a mixed bag of content just up and decided it was a great idea to go the same route as sketchy porn sites :/
"Mature" ads my ass.
And I mean, let's be real, the people here aren't exactly after HUMAN smut related material, yanno? lmao
SO, feel free to block away!
''A bomb.''
XD
Seriously, I love being here as it's much better for artists than DA, but it seems like this site is running straight into it's death now... x.x
Adblock works on the following browsers: Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari, Android, Opera, and more.
You might not have chosen a filter list for it to use so that might be why it's not filtering ads.
Maybe adblock's help page will help you: https://adblockplus.org/getting_started
edit: this was supposed to be a reply to Zendai, but the site is not working properly as usual.
I'm so not techy and hubby didn't think to check.
MATURE =/= ADULT
I am a mature artist and I dun wanna see adult ads everywhere..
SORRY FOR THE SHITTY ADS
IF YOU COULD DO OUR JOB AND REPORT THE BAD ONES FOR US
THATD BE COOL
/s
Thankfully, it's a test VM designed for that purpose. I've been removing IMVU-distributed malware from machines for roughly a decade.
Keeping our browsing & searches limited to what we actually want to see... rather than what capitalism wants to constantly, blatantly, and intrusively shove in our faces.
This is part of a more significant issue that FA is more or less going down the shitter.
a shame that the only thing keeping FA relevant is the size of the user base.
All those who vote for a general, mature and adult viewing option for ads just like we have for submissions say I!
Which viruses specifically, can you give a virustotal link on the specific ones encountered?
This shows the latest viruses discovered -- http://www.bitdefender.com/resource.....-encyclopedia/
Ads are indeed full of malware.
None of these meet that criteria. Backdoors, trojans, redirects, browser hijackers, none of these are viruses.
Last thing closest to a 'virus' was the Blaster worm back in the Windows 2000/XP SP1 days.
There's only google ads and smart phone ads! so luck me! hahahaha still block them off anyway don't like none artist ads in my eyesight xD
Nope.
No.
Nah.
i was going to buy an ad here, now i'm not
here's for another impulse to upload to weasyl!
all you need is adblock.
Putting a blanket over the shit does not take away the shit smell.
I didn't even know they exists untill you guys brought it up and make it like a great deal.
Oh, but when I'm on mobile I cant.
I like how youre bending over backwards to ignore the fact that FA no longer respects it's userbase enough to treat it more than a second rate porn site.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT AD BLOCK.
IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT IMVU CONSIDERS FA JUST ANOTHER PORN SITE.
Thank you. Good night. Cave johnson, we're done here folks.
I have recently come across the numbers for IMVU's support lines.
IMVU Phone Number 866-761-0975 | Toll Free 650-321-8334 | Phone
Don't like what he's doing? Call customer support, ask to be forwarded to a manager, then ask to be forwarded to a manager's manager.
Let's get on top of this, bypass 'Neer, and take it to the real bosses of FA.
But ThreeDawg, what if they don't care?!
What have we to lose at this point?
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
"Dildo" not okay.
"Adult toys" okay.
"Sex" not okay
"Casual encounters" okay.
These ere the rules of our lives -___-
It's dragoneer and IMVU that fucked over the community and the well-meaning ads, not the people using adblock. This is FA's problem, and hopefully the people running good ads will learn this is no longer an appropriate venue for it and try somewhere else.
I don't know what FA charges for community ad space, but it just suddenly became waaaay too much.
The only responsible solution is to hit "Block all" until Dragoneer convinces IMVU to stop fucking us over. Which will NOT HAPPEN EVER.
This is why I'm so suspicious that it's all just a malware-delivery mechanism. Because the ads will never lead to people paying money, but they WILL lead to accidental clicks, and one accidental click is all it takes to get on your computer. From their point of view, malware is the only profitable option.
Might not be able/willing to use it exclusively, but then, I've never been exclusive to one place so that's not really a burden.
I found TONS of great artists using Imgfur and the recommendation system.
And I get not one lick of cub/shota/loli/MLP in my recommended images, EVER! \o/
Now if only they'd pull out of invite-only status.
I'm frequently right whenever I simply assume the worst.
This new policy is going to hurt the site MAJORLY. Most artists won't stay active where there isn't money. And if they don't have a dedicated userbase already on FA? And were relying on the promise of adspace to get one.. well, we're going to see a sink in activity, IMO.
I'm seriously sad that this is going to hurt artists. I don't blame ANYONE for wanting to adblock the ads- I know I do already.
The problem is that none of the other large furry art sites are quite as good at generating real profit for artists. This just sucks, man. For everyone.
(That said, I've personally given up on taking action and am just waiting to see what replacement site all the good business ends up moving to...)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
into your host file.
(this is explained on the page)
https://www.opendns.com/home-intern...../opendns-home/
Enable your network (or device) to use OpenDNS.
Setup to block "juicyads.com" and then you will not see the ads anywhere.
Visit https://www.opendns.com/welcome/ to see if you are enabled.
This is more about the fact that FA is just going down the shit hole.
IE now instead of having to crop my advertisements i can now add a 12inch dick in sight, and anyone who has NSFW features enabled on site can see my ads, but people who are marked SFW cannot.
DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
I don't wanna fuck a human ~ewwww~
Plus now I can't even avoid getting other people to see weird shit when I leave FA open on the safest page possible <_< I already had a close call with the "I can fap to this" ad (which is currently "watching" me while I'm typing) that I avoided in full matrix-style since the word fap wasn't on any dictionary my mother owns, but dunno if I'll be able to avoid it again <__<
Such a huge misconception that Mac or Linux is immune to viruses or malwarre they can very much get them like any OS and I'm not saying that you can't remove them but it irks me soo much when people say it especially people who sell computers and use it as a selling point
But nothing is completely immune. And the G4s were easier to keep clean ^-^
Because adult ads bring more money, duh.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
Sorry FA.
I run Ghostery on Chrome, and have Adblock turned off. That way, it blocks ads that don't belong to FA. I still want to discover new artists and stuff, but without those gross ads.
(there have been what maybe 10 people saying use... and how many in comparison going... WELP adblocker back on.)
mature icons are disallowed due to the concern underaged users may happen to see them... but you allowed mature ads?
Seriously? Wow. XD
I have at times considered taking a job in the 'real porn' industry because it pays more than what I get paid to do full time and it's only part time. I really don't know what negative 'treatment' you're referring to that apparently applies as a whole to everyone in the 'real porn' industry.
I guess I have to break up with my girlfriends now.
But no, we won't see any innovation to FA now. It's just IMVU's latest "extreme rape sex!" advertising grounds.
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/16902841/
But here have one that survived
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....k-Your-Website
That one's not deleted!
LMFAO.
Not to detract from your point that they show up in SFW mode, but I got a good laugh out of those ads, lol!
So...why straight up hardcore pron ads now? It's an ART site, not PORN site...
Adblock is back again! :x
Some people want to see yiff but don't want to see blood and guts, some are the other way around.
I for example, love yiff art but gore makes me want to puke... my housemate however, is the exact opposite: wants to puke from porn but loves gore (and now sees porn ads above gore pics...).
So?
Yiff v Gore being in separate NSFW categories.
The two themes really don't mix well, for the very reasons you mention.
One of my main fears browsing this site is just coming upon something that, most of the time, will resonate with me and send me into a downward spiral.
People like me, people who are at risk of some dangerous things, a blacklist would come in handy.
Also, is it now cool for us to post irl porn pics here???
It's that how it rolls here now?
How functionable.
I've lost count of the number of icons showing off an arse or hefting tits despite these being explicitly against the rules.
Also, just to mention it, Ive been having some serious script propblems on Firefox ever sense the newer ad system was put into place D:
Your most renowned artists on this very journal do not. Artists with hundreds of thousands of page views together.
What happens to site traffic if these artists leave, due to disgustingly sick ads like this: http://gyazo.com/337e85ebc2d7aac0efa59b99fb83dc12 ?
What happens to ad revenue if you have no site traffic?
This is literally the most asinine thing you/your team have come up with yet.
These ads give malware, and NO chance for ANY redeeming content behind them. They are created by sickos who want pennies of ad revenue, while giving anyone who clicks them a nasty bug. That is their ONLY purpose.
What's their purpose on this site? Only for ad revenue. So you are benefiting, while all your users see gross http://i.imgur.com/LUHpm8Uh.jpg vomit-inducing https://twitter.com/Novemurr/status.....522624/photo/1 foul http://abload.de/img/adslgqrx.jpg reprehensible SHIT.
I don't mind advertisements, but does it have to be mature ones? I know sex sells... but.. its not enjoyable for me o-o
Obviously I am only one person, but this is my personal opinion, I know it's ludicrous to think that you would make the old Furaffinty available to people who do not like the changes, but I might as well fling it out there anyway!
I'd love the option to select the old Furaffinity, I find it hard to get my head around the new one.
Also, I am glad that I use Adblocker and I always will now.
If they won't do something about these adult banners and will change the fa permanently to the "current" beta version I am GONE!
I am using add blocker now too, never did before! I watched allot of new great artist because of the Fa adds which are now totally useless because of the banners >_<
I know I draw adult art, but furry art and these ridiculously banners are 2 totally different things.
I also like to focus more and more on cute things and my crafting's are pg13, so I really don't want to be associated with that.
I am already using sites as DA, Weasyl, Tumblr & Facebook so I am sure I will figure something out even tough FA is where 99% of my business comes from.
A main personal website will be useful too and if necessary start to use Sofurry and even Twitter idk :O lol
It will just be very sad, not able to follow allot of my favorite artist anymore. Hopefully I can stalk them on other sites :o
Personally I love to use Facebook to keep updated and more involved with my watchers and idem ditto!
Lol didn't meant to make this comment so long, it rather became a personal opinion about the new updates then actually replying on your comment :P
THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT I WANT COMING THROUGH MY INTERNET CONNECTION. EVER.
GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER, FENDER/DRAGONEER. This is unacceptable.
i have adblock on and will not be turning it off but the fact that fa signed with an ad group without verify the ad contents and are now leaving it to the fucking USERS to sift through what is 'acceptable' or not? what the living fuck.
this is disgusting and fucking goddamn lazy. but what else should we expect from dragoneer.
Ain't that some shit?
"Sounds good"
"We're working on it"
"Its in the works"
"Sometime next junneeee maayyybeee???????"
Also, ghostery is now disabling artist ads instead of just the third party ads. =\ I didn't just pay for an ad to have everything ever blocked and me essentially waste my $50.
edit: Leaving "double click" unblocked in ghostery (but everything else) blocks all third party ads and leaves artist ads visible.
But since when did FA give the slightest fuck about it, or Furries', image and respectability?
We're in it for the IMVU and ad dosh now!
What happens to the site now is in IMVU's hands and they give about the same amount of fucks as Neer does.
Don't consider leaving..
Just leave.
Take your art, clear your galley and leave a link to your personal St. Elsewhere.
This ship has sunk. Most people won't abandon it because this is where the people are. If the artists would leave, then their watchers would leave. And if the watchers would leave, the artists would leave.
Its a paradox that IMVU is relying on to keep this place going so they can keep making money.
Hopefully one of those populations will get fed up with it and actually migrate to an actual furry art site. But I doubt itll happen soon.
When it does, I'm sure we'll all make fun of each other for staying in the website equivalent of an ever filling shit bath.
I'm tired of this kind of bull. Most of us live off commissions and everyone blocking ads isn't helping .
I wish you the best of luck, hopefully I and the rest of the community will join you soon.
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:(
No java for FA.
Happy browsing! :)
Did FA gave up on the art part, so they could just call themselves a porn site? :P
"No photos of your naked bodies - here have some ads with naked bodies" gee thanks FA
Yeah, no thanks.
Do you want people using addblock? Because thats how you get people using addblock. Well played~And Adblock Plus.
People really are this stupid aren't they? SMH...
Its just a way for them to suck money out of the community.. hopefully enough people will get it and stop paying for the AD space.
Why can't they have just the nice car and roofing services ads? At least those are localized and semi-useful.
Adding: bye bye artist and furry stuff I actually want to see...
honestly I don't mind Ads, even those semi-creepy ones. But I installed adblock today, a little because those ads are way over the top - but mainly because I actually fear for my pc's security with virus and malware. And I'm sorry artists of FA - I love your shit, but I am not jumping through multiple hoops to see new artist's ads when I can commission my dear and old ones too.
I use it.
please save me ;~;
Depending on what Xbox you have, I do know that the Xbox One is running on the Windows 8/8.1 OS platform right now and the Adblock PLUS has had issues working properly on the PC (as what I understand to read) , BUT there is an update soon to bring the One up to Windows 10 platform whenever it releases at the end of July, but Windows 10 will have a NEW/ Updated version of IE as IE is an outdated browser and no longer used with Microsoft in their Windows 10 platforms.
So, *shrugs* you are kinda stuck....Im sorry ;^; I use Xbox as well and would like to see more advances in their utilization on each their platforms of their OS.
heres another example omg
Thank you SO much for that mental image. Now excuse me while I go find the Brain Bleach. ^,..,^
Taking out an ad is just one facet of running business online. Yes, if my ad is a failure I get to still write it off at the end of the year. That doesn't mean that I won't be able to make my monthly quota.
See myself and a ton of other artists have already been running tandem galleries on other sites, and if your main beef with FA is a moral one boy do I have some dirt for you on the other sites. How about that Weasyl is run by someone who has a long history of being a drama-monger? How about InkBunny's owner is a transphobe whom has stated he'd still misgender someone even if it put them in danger? (That's not even touching the gross cub porn that's on IB, but I digress.)
As for my tandem galleries they do not gain the same amount of sales as FA does. Pissing off my client base here is a great way to shoot myself in the foot. I don't think my student loan servicers will accept "sorry, I was FIGHTING FOR THE CAUSE" as a means why my payment didn't come in.
If FA is dying then my tandem galleries will gain traffic. It's really that simple.
Make up your mind.
I've already written to IMVU. I've already talked to staff to ask how we can help. Figure out what you can do.
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/16902841/
Ad blocking now. Sorry FA, I've never used a blocker on here before, but this, mixed in with the NSFW or mature artist ads is too much. There's a huge difference betweeen willing looking at NSFW art and seeing flat out RL porn, or sex toy ads.
You won't be getting any revenue or support from this IP. Sorry, folks. :/
Way to go on making another terrible decision.
Also, lol, I use Adblocker anyway, so meh...
Banner is nice, arguably the only nice thing to come so far from these updates. =)
And yes this is satire, for those with the humour of an open grave.
COMINGLEAVINGWe don't want porn ads, and we'd rather not have to use adblock as we'd like to support artists but hey, enabling adblock is A-Okay too.
Select All buttons do not function YET AGAIN and the banner linking to this update can't be removed either.
Some sort of small changes and improvements, but changes and improvements none the less! Finally they are coming.
Not cool.
FYI, you've done it universally. Fix it or undo it if you can't actually set it to work that way.
http://adblockplus.org/You should check her out, she is an amazing artist and a great person!
FA is now the bottom of the barrel for furries.
0.0671 second page generation time for the frontpage browse, compared to FA's 7.599 seconds. (94.8% PHP, 5.2% SQL!)
While many frequent visitors will probably already be using abp, new visitors may not be usong it. Sining up and then seeing the page flooded with ads like "youtube fpr porn" may give an impression of a low quality site (as those kinds of ads are usually associated with lackluster content,scamd, and surveys either on the yarget or on the site hosting the ads). It does not give a good impression.
If the lies and sell out weren't enough before, this may actually push me to weasyl full time out of what they are doing to those who buy add space.
You said you would only allow Furry related ads... Then you added general 3rd party ads... Now you throwing porn advertisers at us too? how far are you going to get from the "Furry only/Furry related" content just to make a buck? Or is this another mandate from IMVU? Seriously not cool guys.
Sure the users do upload mature content but much of it is at least on topic and to have increasingly broad general ads sacrifices the site image.
I remember reading over and over again that we would only be getting only "FURRY RELATED" ads and that there was no chance of FA was going to step out side of that circle. Then IMVU came, and STILL we were promised only furry Related ads, so long as it brought the two communities together. (which was a lie right of the bat because google ads are a broad spectrum of content) So what the hell is all this?
\ 8D!! /
It is unfortunate those who dont like porn but draw gore or bloody things will have to see that stuff to view their own content eh...
oh and also the fact that some people even use mature for just language like cursing
Well, adblock is active again. Sad, I liked the ads from the artsits, but this is NO WAY.
But well, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16903681/ :3
Even Westeros doesn't have winters as long as this one.
I say keep summer for twice as long!
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/.....ps5kqdmggp.jpg
If i have SFW mode on and browse persons gallery who would have NSFW art if i had SFW mode off, do i still see those ads?
Dragoneer works for/is an employee of IMVU. FA is not in his control whatsoever.
He promised this wouldn't happen but, of course, he is in NO position to change it. IMVU dictated these ads as a mandate. If Dragoneer refuses, he is either fired, or FA is closed.
This is FA now. It WILL only get worse.
Expect some interesting new guests of honour as IMVU tries to broaden the con's appeal.
...you are a master at horror.
Coming from someone who pays for an ad space every month, I don't appreciate so many people having to use an ad blocker that also blocks the user's ad's also. It hurts business bad. Please take that into consideration next time you make a decision like this. Thank you
This right here. With a lot of ad blockers, if you block ads on a site, you block them all and yes, that totally screws over the artists and conventions that pay for ad space. A very bad decision, but this is what happens when a site owner sells out.
And As a artist myself it really ticks me off that this happens and keeps happening with the ads so I get less and less views with my ad and make less and less money because of it. And still have the same bills and what not to pay. Yes the ad does help find people intrested in my art but when stuff like this happens it gets harder for me to make ends meet.
It's memory-efficient, and users can select what ad domains can be served. So with uBlock, block every 3rd party ad, except the FA ones. That's how I've done it.
I dont want to see an add about "big woman needs tiny dick" shit :x
I -still- say FA needs a 'switch ads off' section so we can prune ads by type. I LOVE to be able to look for artists over the artist ads, but i DO NOT want to see IMVU ads, or porn ads like they are showing currently. XD The staff really needs to wake up and listen to the fan base and less to the money saying "listen to me, listen~".
"And of course, moving forward, mods will be anonymous until they've had a chance to prove themselves and ensure they can focus on tickets (tickets only).
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....e+is+dragoneer
I know people can use ghostery in order to be able to see user ads here on FA but all those extra steps are probably going to deter most people from doing that. Everyone's going to use or continue using adblock and all the artists who paid to have their ads up there are never going to be seen. Real good. Definitely.
Also, they don't even know their own site rules and are making decisions without running it over with someone else prior. So signals they've been there a while if they have this freedom already.
Keeping your staff anonymous protects them from their bad decisions as well as bad people. It's a two sided blade.
$$$
Seeing "Would you fuck an older woman?" with stick figures giving head? Appalling.
I want to see user funded ads on FA not that garbage. Even ads like IMVU were at least somewhat relevant, that shit? Just malware in disguise.
I've just installed AdBlock for the first time.
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/182pckbjqo.....33.45.png?dl=0
wowinception
Sorry I have nothing more useful to input, I don't actually know where the artist ads come from, just saying in case it helps. :/
I've never used an adblocking program before.
I used the adblock fix.
Wow.
This is just fucking ridiculous.
Cute banner though! :D
Maybe we could work on that more often!
But are third-party mature ads really a smart idea? Those give malware a lot- and I mean a lot. Not to mention being painful to the eye...
And my thoughts on FA only increasing the filesize for audio submissions to 50MB: http://vgy.me/miXfVO.gif
Also, peeps. Want to start using an adblock? I highly suggest uBlock Origin. It's exactly like ABP but it uses less CPU/RAM resources. So it's a good alternative for those with not-so-fast computers.
You're acting like this is new and surprising behavior. c:
I like leaving Adblock off on FA because I find artists through their ads on FA, and they are pertinent to my interests so I like being able to see them.
The adult ads are a horrible idea. Please find a better solution for generating revenue for the site.
RIGHT NOW
I'm interested in knowing who made the long banner the Beta had / has, myself. :)
On the other hand, 50mb music uploads FTW.
seems i´m wrong..
haha... this website is going downhill.
Also, I like how when we pay you for ads, it can't contain mature content, but when "youtube of porn" pays you for ads it's free fucking game.
Put gross / suspicius ad on all the pages
Congratulation! People activate adblock! As i tell time ago this is a dick move... People who buy an ad will probably don't keep it up for this reason and cause no one will click on the google / porn add you will not get extra money
Plus is really necessary cut the comment and the main image / journal with those extra ads?
GROSS.I've been using Ad Blocker on this site in a long time for the last 5 something years.
"Hey baby, I want to suck your c**k!" And "click here! You wife will never know!"
Don't see the point in having these such things here. Whatever next, beastiality sites?
What, did they think "Hey look, furries, they must love bestiality, let's give them this ad here!"
Fuck's sake...
though woops, after reading the adult ads thing. I feel really bad for any artists who have bought AD space, as everyone who hadn't installed adblock already for sure will after this.
I hope that at least ads for artists get discounts, at least. I'm super glad I didn't buy any this time, though I was looking forward to.
And is not only links to real porn sites, there is lot of scamming... fake "watch" "download" "enter" buttons and fake videos. FA you have fucked up again... it's being a trend.
We were artwork community. Now you are forcing the artists and users away from what was this supposed to be.
couldn't have said it better myself
"What will IMVU do with FA?" asked by Roycefox
That’s a better question for Dragoneer. We really believe that FA knows what is best for the FA community, so we have committed support both financially and through other resources. We want to let it run independently and see it thrive.
A LOT of users seemed concerned that the ads coming will be trying to auto-install spyware/malware
The ads being delivered come from a top advertising provider for websites (Google ad network) and are screened thoroughly as part of their review process to ensure no spyware/malware is included.
That was making clear that Dragoneer has the final word, and now it changed to ask the users to check if the ads are safe.
LOL, IMVU owns FA and therefore has the final word, Dragoneer is just an employee there.
Every decision IMVU makes you can blame Neer for because he should have never sold it to them in the first place.
Though I fear that still enough people won't care at all about this. After the last incident, when a lot of people found out that FA was bought by IMVU there had been a lot not caring or whiteknighting and even forgot about it and stayed here.
This thought is scary. If it's true, the people managing this site are really nasty.
People won't leave when their favourite artists stay here and all the artists stay here because of their fanbase/customers
It's complicated >-<
This isn't even the dumbest thing he's done.
I bet you an art comission that within 6 months, we have paid user accounts to disable ads (or allow other features)
could you NOT shove a bunch of porn site adverts in my face? i have adblock but i can't see artist ads with that and i would like to not get a fce full of tits when i go to look at my submissions. k thanks bye.
A good move would be to reverse the adult ad decison. It's not shameful to realise a bad call was made, and there's time to reverse it and still retain credibility.
i was considering probably gettin an ad space on the site but people are gonna block the shit out of the porn ads so mine are gonna go too
this shit is crazy
Just when I was beginning to consider posting here again…
That's out the window now. I'll keep my content on DeviantArt and SoFurry.
Yet despite my preference for clean art, there are sometimes mature pieces that are artistically done that showcase an artist's talent, poses, feeling in a piece. Even in adult art there is sometimes a piece that shows caring and love between two persons...not just sex for sex's sake. I respect that. (And while I do not have interest in adult art, I have no qualms with those who do. Many pieces are excellent anatomical references, and I understand many people enjoy adult things, and have gotten to know some very nice people who make or enjoy it.)
Instead of content filters, now we get porn ads...even if we don't have interest in porn...shoved in our faces.
Do you give us an option to opt out of these ads, either the porn ones or ads in general, like with Viglink?
Of course not. Heaven forbid those of us who cannot use an adblocker on mobile, who do not want to risk bricking our only connection here by rooting, be able to do something to save our eyes.
While I appreciate you do try to make improvements, are human, and can make errors...this is totally backward thinking. I have defended this site as an art site that allows adult material of all kinds...for the entire time I've been here...not a porn site. Because if it was...I wouldn't be here.
I have tried to keep my criticism private or at least muted, see both sides, my take on your oh so important third party ads comical. I can't anymore.
You just lost my defense, as you, the new owners, and your ilk have turned an art site into a porn site.
Bravo.
I apologize for my lack of decorum. But you just turned a furry community, somewhere I felt welcome, that I first felt comfortable using when I finally crawled out of my cave and decided to try the internet, found good friends on...the largest furry art site...into a sleezy, cheap feeling, uncomfortable experience.
Good luck with your porn site...
I don't think these new "ads" should be a surprise to anyone, but that doesn't make it any less disappointing.
Sorry, but that joke just begged to be made. It's unlike me. I apologize.
Not surprised...was hoping they had more mental acumen than to drive away their artist base.
But hey, profit! Who cares, right?
I suppose I'll start searching for people I know here, elsewhere.
Seriously? Yours is one of the most eloquent, calm, thoughtful comments I have seen. You could give lessons on decorum. If only the internet at large had your "lack of decorum"!
Usually I don't speak up, or get this wound up. But I needed to this time.
Fine Job Guys.
All right I'm sorry for the artists, but ... Adblock.
But as I'm not an asshole .. I'll take a look at Ghostery. Thank you.
The fact that so many do not want to see the 3rd party ads nor was given any choice on the matter is more concerning. The way I see it is that this is going to severly hurt people who pay for FA ad space with the amount of people that do not want to see the malicious ads on this IMVU/fa site thing
Mature/Adult ads from outside FA: What are you THINKING!? You've just opened a can of worms that you may not be able to contain. If anyone (who isn't using Adblock, Ghostery, ect.) sees most of these and has a reactive AV system, it will go nuts as soon as the Mature/Adult ads are active. I'd want to say nearly ALL of the Mature/Adult ads out there contain malware that would set off AVS's across the board to full alert (and quite a few that get by them too), as that is how THEIR revenue is generated. If you want to make your jobs easier (and calm the concerns of most of the community), keep to General rated third-party ads.
The google ads are taking over when it is the artists ads are suffering because of people are using adblock....
Sorry to the artists but don't waste your money on ads anymore. More and more people are having adblock to block the google ads.
Why??I mean I don't know if this is better or worse than seeing ads for fifty shades of wtf available on google play.
The boat was fine. You didn't need to rock it, or put more holes in it. Come on. Now more people are gonna be jumping out.
Do you not see this, FA Administration?
Think of what you are doing, from a user's standpoint.
The quote unquote Youtube of porn!
Cringeworthy almost elderly woman saying she wants to do dirty things to me. I can almost see the wrinkles on her face.
I'm just glad there's not actually a visible penis on this one, though there might as well be.
Strippers on your desktop! Complete with the windows XP and old apple logos and a heaping helping of Malware, absolutely free.
I'm sure there are more of these, and all I had to do was refresh the submissions page just a few times.
Notice my inclusion of "furaffinity.net" from the banner in every single one.
That is what this site looks like.
Dragoneer. Tell me with a straight face that you are proud of this.edits for removal of "&s and clarity
SFW...or adult ads...what a choice.
You have made a terrible decision Admins.
Activating my Adblock, and I hope others follow suit.
I will apologize to any artist friends who will now be blocked from my viewing, but I won't put up with that disgusting shit.
Thank you for the correction!
I'm okay with mature adds but, half of these 'advertisements' lead you to malware, and products with impossible claims. Normally I don't comment on stuff like this, but the adds take away from what this site is suppose to represent. Time to enable add blocker.
Had Adblock since they put google ads in.
For instance: http://gyazo.com/337e85ebc2d7aac0efa59b99fb83dc12 This is just low, I'm sorry. I've been on this site for years now and I used to be proud to mention it to my friends and get them to come check it out. But now I wouldn't tell anybody I have anything to do with this site anymore now that there's women rubbing themselves and asking me to check them out, fucking themselves on Youtube for my credit card number. And "Hey baby, I want to suck your cock!" And "click here! You wife will never know, do it while I'm horny!" This is just disgraceful, I'm sorry but it truely is.
I've talked to everyone I know so far and 49/51 people turned on adblock today because of the terrible ads now on the site.
Only reason I haven't (yet) is because I'm too lazy to migrate everything elsewhere. Don't want to bother watching all these artists on another site :\
PS: "Mature" ads my ass. This is BEYOND the "Adult" rating into the "stupid retarded adults" rating, especially when they can inject malware onto your device(s).
Though I do hope these third party ads are compensating for those who will no longer be purchasing user-ad space, because I won't be as a lot of the community is going to be blocking all ads I assume, it's a shame. :(
ftfy
1.10 - Do not post links to content that is prohibited by any of Fur Affinity’s rules. This includes links to real life pornography, malware, malicious scripts, websites featuring the illegal streaming of copyrighted content, or content in public (journals, profiles) or General Rated (AUP 1.1) areas that leads to Mature/Adult Rated material that is not behind a warning splash page.
Aren't these ads links to real porn?
I'd like to report the website.
...
*likes bananas and muffins* :o
Holy fucking shit
I hope these ads get fixed to something more appropriate... like seriously, if my parents saw this ad on this site when I was younger along with anything yiffy, I'd have holy water thrown on me along with an exorcism in place.
If you want to monetize the site, you might as well charge people for using it now because everyone is going to adblock the ads.
"Increase your watch list cap of 100 to 200 for just $5!"
"Use colored font on your profile and comments for $10! Subscription packs include this feature."
We can't be arsed to check them out; you check them, infect your computer and tell us after, so we can ''remove them''; aka being lazy and complacent :P
Is this the hypothetical swirling of the toilet bowl water? Down you gooooooooooo
Then it was third party general ads.
Now it is third party adult ads...
Anybody else notice the downward trend? I'm not jumping ship, but good lord I don't think we're sailing further away from any possible icebergs that might come up in the future.
Is FA even about the furry fandom anymore, or have we just moved on to having sex with the hot 18+ singles in your area?
Also, Adblock is nice, but not for mobile. :c
One step forward, drive a mile back.
"Ghostery."
"The admins changed something again, so now I'm whining."
"Stop whining about what the admins do. If you don't like what they do, GTFO."
"Single comment that is going to cause A MASSIVE SHITSTORM OF DRAMA."
"DILDOS."
"The banner looks cool."
There. I summed up every comment that will appear in this journal.
In fact I've been noticing a distinct slow shift from the people trying to do that to pure community outrage as these journals show up.
....
Dildos.
:)
I don't think I have ever seen such unanimity on this site, which is more often characterized by strongly-held opinions and intense disputes. I guess that's one way to bring us together.
I've said before, I can handle ads. I understand they're a necessary evil at times. I can handle ads related to the fandom, be it personal artist ads, or ads for groups like Bad Dragon and cons and the like.
Seeing these adult ads is just plain sleazy. Congrats FA, you've got another person who has broken down and gotten an adblocker.
Thank you to those above me who pointed out Ghostery and how to enable to artist ads, which I never minded in the first place.
Simply wow. Just goes to show, everything I've said has come true thus far.
When's subscription based services coming Neer?
I enabled the Stylish adblocker for third-party ads as soon as they started showing up. Definitely never removing it at this point.
when clearly this site has human/furry porn on it....
Now we've got non-Google ads on every page unless you browse in SFW mode or are on a General submission page (and even then, I suspect you might see them).
"Extreme rape sex!"
Ugh.
Ugh!
I could just shit.
FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
And also, not everyone is interested in "hot horny local milf wants to suck your cock" type shit.
i have a separate porn account i dont mind furry porn but ads like this are just sleezy and gross imo.
like its unessacary? there is literally no need or reason to change the ads based on what youre watching
plus they dont have to be gross blatant porn ads either but these are
for example on pixiv if you change the settings to show only 18+ art the ads will change but they are not disgusting. They may be suggestive but they arent big bold letters saying YOUTUBE OF PORN across the screen. and many of them are still art ads.
Porn is specifically made for doing certain things.
But really, and this is coming from a huge pervert who loves all sorts of fucked up furry porn
sexist, adultry, etc etc porn ads? no matter how much porn i wanna see i dont want porn ads never ever
theres literally no need, regular ads will suffice, its just extra shit no one wants
Not everyone on this site cares to look at the porn, thanks.
https://twitter.com/Novemurr/status.....522624/photo/1
I didn't want to adblock FA because you know... free site I use and get commissions through. I wouldn't mind some extra revenue for them through the Freshly ad or Google and such.
But if the ads are going to be like this? I might start doing that. =_=;;
Also, third party adds... I can't add any more then anyone else has added here. This is low. Anything to line your pockets hmm?
Oh and we may work on the UI a bit too.
It is very upsetting to me that not only have I seen almost all porn site ads but they are graphic. We need to be able to choose if we see them as adult ads or as just google ads.
The whole reason I am on this site is because it has been a safe place to keep away from these types on photos and ads. Now I have to install adblock on my browser and miss out on artist ads.
You can use Ghostery apparently though and whitelist FA on adblocker to get rid of the google ads and still see user ads.
At least that's what I've seen people saying.
I had to walk away from my comp for a few min because the ads were so bad </3
ilu *hugs*
I hope you can get that whole thing to work out for you if that's what you choose to do.
It really sucks how many users are going to get their ads completely missed now.
(like Valenti literally just bought an ad a few days ago he's going to be pissed when he sees this)
For now I will just ad FA to my full adblock thing. *sobs*
If he feels like it won't be seen he should demand a refund.
I saw it was already up but only a few days.
I really don't want to block ALL the ads on the site since I love clicking on artist ads and checking out their galleries for hours, but I also have gymnophobia, which is a fear of nude bodies, specifically human ones. Ads like these I wish I could block individually and keep the artist ads on, but I don't seem to find a way, it's not going well from my part..
Oh I leave it on that's no worries, but I'm just afraid they will have icky ads in sfw as well.
These are bad even for a porn site!
Oh I guess I could just be talking about the past 5+ years here on this site though, huh?
The UI Beta "Changelog"
$linkText = html_entity_decode($linkText);
You're going to lose revenue if you keep them on, because everyone will Adblock :\
From there it was 'update' after 'update'.
Server after server.
Lots of downtime.
No real improvements. Heck we LOST features at times.
Lots of ad dollars and donation drives, yet we're about where we were almost a decades ago.
Then a sale we did not really hear about, and now mandated changes from a IMVU that a figure head Neer sold too; that is now just employ of IMVU. Any time IMVU wants too they can punt him and do what they want with this web address they now own. Heck Neer himself can leave at any time and leave the ship sinking, he has the money after all.
Yet people will defend to the tens that all is well.
This is the truth about FA at it's current state, and it's only going to get worse.
thanks FA
So, you already lost a MASSIVE portion of your potential customers. This adult ad crap, tho? It's going to murder it.
Oh, man. That's a lie.
StrawberryNeko does some cute shit, and I don't see a lick of porn from her.
MarciMcAdam does cute shit, too. And she seems to not do porn either.
We also have Suan-Cat that doesn't do porn either, and she does cute shit too.
Those three are just off the top of my head.
Oh yeah and there's me- Oh wait. I don't count. I draw porn :P
Cute art can, and will get popular. Some people just respect and love the fact that others are clean artists and that's a-okay with me.
However, as with anything, it's an uphill struggle...now made harder. I do feel for the newer artists...
Like folders for galleries. Private storage space. Something to make the site better for the users.
10 is a bit much though. 5 per month is prolly a better price point for a sub style.
All content should always be kept free. DA has the right idea as I have said many times with the subs.
Edit: forgot to mention I already have a virus on my computer from these ads from before, can't imagine how many more I'll get now. Thanks.
If they actually SCREENED the ads, my opinion would be different. But Dragoneer has made it clear it's the users' job to deal with that sludge. Nope.
That's literally criminal.
First and foremost, for those who visit FA seeking for furry pr0n, those atrocities are instant bonerkiller. I won't surprise if the total revenue will acutally drop since even the lazyiest of lazyiest will install adblock or remove FA from whitelist. Second, furry pron != hooman pron; heteroorgies in the banner are definitely not cup of a tea for those how prefer samesex activities (and vice versa!)
And last but not the least, please, don't lower the bar even deeper -- ads are okay, adult ads are for doorways and warez sites
Legitimate question, how do you expect to make money off of the ads if everyone blocks them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGYLNHfUwE
All I gotta say bout that.
2. Awesome, more storage space! We need that
3. Nope...bad idea....just no...I rather not know that I have "Slutty 50 year olds in my area" NO..thats the age range of my parents....EW..
With that kind of crap , you just might as well lift the rule "No RL Nudie Pics" or "RL Porn Pics"
If I wanted to see real dick, I would go to my boyfriend and ask him to drop his shorts.
*nods*
I am so sorry </3
Are you trying to take away people visiting actual legitimate on-site featured-artist ads by forcing people to use ad-block? this topic has been treated so many times. :l
This is FA at this point - Right Here
This is a terrible idea and a shame as well. As a result of having to use AdBlock, it also takes out any ads made by actual FA users to advertise their commissions, as well as other events such as conventions.
What on earth made you think that allowing external adult adverts was a good idea? This is a very bad move, and it is going to have a detrimental effect on FA users as well as external events. On top of all of this it is making FA look even worse.
We're about a decade late and counting.
It's a shame, too, 'cuz Inkbunny is so hopelessly far beyond the capabilities and quality of the competition that it's become laughable to me. SoFurry is equally better than FA as Inkbunny is to SoFurry. But really, SoFurry is terrible compared to Weasyl, which still pales to IB.
I really don't see a solution. People are going to find their own crazy reasons for doing things the way they want even if it means shooting themselves in the face to do it. It just upsets me when so many artists blow deadlines and miss bills and lose income because of the ludicrous shenanigans of sites that people put up with.. because the artist thinks their fanbase is only on FA, and that the thousands of bot accounts are actually going to comission them.. and that the ads they paid hundreds for are never seen because of the adblocking or, even if not blocked, drowned out by porn ads now.
Supporting FA is only hurting yourself. I've done everything I can to show this and facilitate a move, but... well, you can lead a horse to water...
As for Inkbunny tho, they AVOID this issue entirely because they DO NOT allow art of humans. NOONE has, to my knowledge, EVER been arrested for drawings of non-humans in adult situations regardless. So even so, that still is kind of void.
And if that's still not enough, those same countries typically ban porn entirely. Those that don't, DO prohibit content that's on FA, namely depictions of rape and/or bestiality. So, again, null and avoid.
Inkbunny doesn't have anything that will get you in trouble when FA wouldn't.
I'm NOT naming names even if you paid me, but I will say this. There is an artist on FA and Inkbunny who got into some trouble for having pictures of the very worst kind. But they didn't have them for the usual reasons you might expect. They WERE intentional, but they WEREN'T because they got off on kiddies. I know, weird, but follow me.
The punishment for doing this for monetary gain or personal enjoyment (*shudder*) is pretty fucking super-duper harsh as fuck. Like, maybe too harsh even for that, to be perfectly honest.
They didn't get that. Because they didn't have it for those reasons. It was still illegal, because the law doesn't have a 'for this or that reason' allotment.
The judge ruled Not Guilty. Because the reasons they had it was not the letter of the law nor it's intent. So even though the judge totally could have thrown the book and courthouse both at him, he let him go in exchange for seeking mental counseling for a few months.
Similar to the above has happened to others as well. It's actually a fuck of a lot more common than you'd ever believe. I was increduluous when I first heard about it, but some research shows that there's a lot that isn't really done the way you think.
Basically what i'm saying is... Judges DO consider the INTENT and the SITUATION in their ruling, because they're actually obligated to.
A lot of actual bad, guilty people also get off because the Judge three the case out due to tampering, too. Police have to do their jobs to the most scrupulous standards, after all, or the Judge risks sending an innocent man to the deathhouse. And I dunno about you, but...
I couldn't live with myself for that.
But I do feel ya. There's a LOT of false rape accusations that get convicted. Like, A FUCKING. LOT. It's one of those 'hot-button' issues that gets publicized and that sways the Judge's ruling to keep him from getting lynched. Unfortunately, a lot of reported rapes are false. Estimates range from 5-8% to as much as 30-40%. And at the same time, most rapes are never reported. Estimates there range from 20% to as much as 90%. Kind of hard to have accurate figures on things that can't be proven in court. People all too often assume that a verdict is correct, too. Which is very sad as well.
Still, tho. You are more likely by statistical fact to go to jail for downloading music or torrenting movies, than you are to be arrested for cub porn. (Or any porn, actually, even when it IS illegal!) So being afraid of Inkbunny is more than a bit silly.
FYI: I've had a roomy get caught for downloading District 9 (the movie). I was without internet for a while. It happens more often than you think.
Stop trying to force me to change site because you don't like it. I couldn't careless about the adverts on FA and it has not stopped me from making commissions or bidding on YCHs on the site.
It's always the same. The site doesn't change, whine. The site changes, whine. The site does something any other site does, whine.
Wow, what a vulgar little child. FurAffinity didn't do what you wanted, so it should be shutdown, so nobody else who is currently content with it can use it any more. Don't anybody dare protest your whining!
> Seriously, what kind of CUNT goes browsing the comments on something he "couldn't care less"
This journal isn't strictly just about your whining.
> about just to attack people and try to stop them from changing something THEY DO care about
Attack? You clearly have a talent for overstatement.
> that DOES affect them?
It may come as a surprise, but your proposed 'solution' would genuinely adversely affects the people, such as myself that are content with the website.
> And then of course you fucking block me the INSTANT you comment
Actually, I didn't even access my block list today. If you're blocked, it's because I blocked you some time ago. I certainly don't even remember your name, but based on your reading comprehension capabilities, it doesn't seem surprising I ended up blocking you.
> I'm not even kidding. It's been years since I've been this revolted by a human being. Please, crawl into a hole and die.
You must be really detached from real world events if I can revolt you by being upset at your suggestion of shutting down a website and you haven't been revolted by other stuff human beings have done in recent years.
And are there any plans to remove the flood protection? it's annoying as hell, and FA is the only site that has it.
The flood protection is a major downside to anybody wanting to post more than one art piece in any timely manner, and its annoyance/user-unfriendliness is only now being superseded by these ads. A minute is way too long to wait around, unless there's seriously that much server-crashing traffic that would come from reducing the flood protection time to 5 seconds or something.
Can you imagine what a parent would say?
Furries are not seen as an intelligent demographic, and FA's treatment of it's users prove it beyond a doubt.
I don't think it's retarded to want to stay for community or for money (especially those people who make a living from art). I've been rallying with the complaints for a long time, and I wish it mattered. I like FA as a site and wish it would thrive. It just seems like Neer ever has any intention of making it better.
People are gonna use FA because they just will. They'll make up excuses left and right, and no amount of irrefuteable proof will ever convince them..
And it makes me sad. People shouldn't let themselves be abused. But i've done all I can, I can't change the minds of people who refuse to see reality.
WAAAAY more people adblock on FA, like, quadratically more. You will NOT be seen on FA.
In any case, let me know once you post it, and give me a link. I want to follow your progress to further add to my demographic data. It's important to watch trends and learn what works and what doesn't to determine a pattern of 'why'. For example: Certain kinds of art will attract certain kinds of buyers, and that can be marketed more or less effectively depending.
Example: My studies so far show that Weasyl has the most 'straight' demographic, IE the highest % of comissions which depict heterosexual content. FA has the lowest.
Cutesy art (even when Cub is not offered) does better on Inkbunny than others.
FA tends to do better movement of 'low quality' or 'beginner' level art, as well as rough art- sketches, inks, and the like.
Streams, when crossposted especially, generate A LOT more traffic, provided they are long: 3+ hours, multiple times a week. These inevitably start to fill up with obscene numbers of watchers. Even with artists who are, I feel, extremely low quality. People just like a show, I guess!
Sketch-streams (where you take comissions during the stream to put out a quick, small sketch) are AFAICT the absolute quickest way to rake in the dosh as a furry artist. If you can do a sketch in 30 minutes, you can expect $60 in 3 hours. $20/hr is damn fine income for an artist!
The average FA artist I follow makes around $1.67/hr for their work. Inkbunny has the highest at $6.56/hr average. Individual names matter- Some of the expensive artists make less than you'd think, and vise versa. Wolfblade used to be top of the list on projections for example, but he's sank over the last few years, likely due to gradual increases in prices, reduction in viewers (Essayblade kinda thing) and trying to work on actually improving his art rather than churning it out.
Which is another subject entirely: Quantity vs. Quality. Generally, achieving a 'good' quality of art and pumping it out fast will yield A LOT more money than producing 'great' quality art slowly.
Making money can suck.
I'm talking to a friend of mine and between him and your information here, I think I will try to make myself more present on inkbunny and weasyl. I'm okay drawing almost any subject, but my issue is I almost don't want to spread TOO thin. Imo (you may be able to easily prove me wrong) very specific, niche artists have done better than general ones. People tend to gravitate towards kinks. I'm trying to find a good balance. Might be time to open up for some discount slots again to get to draw new things!
I used to do art streams and they went well, but I've come into trouble since I used to use livestream and now it doesn't seem free to use (or at least very unfriendly so I've had issues figuring it out). I've used picarto, but it didn't have the sharing a selection of the screen option. I'll have to look into my options!
Thanks for the information, I really appreciate it! I really do appreciate you typing this all out for me, and sharing your research and what you're found with me! Only time will see how well it works!
My IB is: https://inkbunny.net/Namelessimp (as you can tell, it really needs to be updated!)
Like if all you do is hyper-scat-art, you're gonna bomb.
But if you do, say, violent/creepy/unsettling/gross art, like slug/Slugbones? You will dominate that market. (Other than chimerasynx there aren't really many people in that fetish category for art!)
But focusing on an overly common kink may get you ignored. Cub is actually a good example- there are FUCKING TONS of cub artists. Just.. GOD DAMN. Inkbunny. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS. So if that's ALL you do, you will have a fucking hell of a time standing out.
I have seen some decent artists get lost because they like foxes. ....bad choice. Too generic and unless you're like, Taurin Fox quality, noone's going to really think of you when they want to steal art for their F-List profile. XD
Also, e621 = Free Advertising. USE IT.
You NEED a wide variety of subject matter relevent to your target demographics. If you have to draw one free just for this, then so be it.
IE, let's say you want to appeal to Cubfurs, Gay Furs, and Canines. You'll want to have pictures depicting each of these, at the highest quality you can manage, and all combinations. IE, a cub cat, and then two gay rabbits doing whatever gay rabbits do, and a nice canine pinup, then mix them: A couple gay dogs, a cubby malamute, and maybe a couple of cubby gay huskies. That sort of thing. A gallery.
It shows what you CAN and WILL do. Without that, people will often not even look at your comission info. People look at your pictures first and last, and only the interested tend to actually read your comission list. So, you gotta catch their interest visually somehow first.
In this way, flooding cheaper comissions on your gallery can cause it to look empty and cluttered. Especially B&W art or sketches. People have a wierd tendency to just pass right by those and only notice color images that they can make out what's happening from just the thumbnail.
So yeah, hope this info helps!
Oh yeah and they're super sleazy. They're about halfway to the ads on writing.com's level, where they show off sex gear. I think about 60% of their userbase left at that point.
Just my 2 cents
Is this the Ann Ryan fanatic's doing? Because whoever installed the porn ads for registered MINORS to see has a bad taste in humor!!
Nice find.
I had my first ad up last month around the horrible time everyone was turning on adblock because of all that IMVU bullshit and honestly, I know I didn't get what I paid for. These poor artists are suffering the consequences and it's all FA's fault for making the shittiest decisions. Clearly you're not listening and know nothing about what's best for us.
And yes, those porn ads are fucking disgusting and nothing but scams, and completely go against your own god damn TOS about irl porn.
Seems to me IMVU is going back on their promise and practically gave FA an slow, painful, deathly infection.
Numerous reports of it. Twitter is not happy about it.
Whomever deiceded this needs to be fired. If FA Users cant use mature content in there ads, then we shouldnt have 3rd party mature ads either.
This site just gets worse and worse.
I have zero real issue with the google ads that are currently in place, but please please please keep them clean.
I do hope for good news to come...
That's good to know and you are awesome for it.
You have my respect. Good luck to you in this fight.
(Also happy belated birthday to you!)
Speak with words instead of ringing around the fucking point like a politician.
I've never felt any sort of need or want to jump ship from this site, but at this point I'm desperately wishing for a viable alternative. If the entire community could somehow be convinced to shift over into another site I'd be gone in a heartbeat now. This is two months in a row that I've purchased ad-space and within days of my ad going live the site staff have made incredibly poor decisions that have caused huge percentages of the userbase to enable ad-block. I'm now enabling adblock myself until they're gone (or permanently if they don't get removed) so that's a bummer.
They appear even with the SFW setting on!
http://i.imgur.com/vseELED.png
http://i.imgur.com/jmqZx6c.png
http://i.imgur.com/ncqdPU2.png
These!!
Nope. Noooooope. Nope. Nope. Nope. *runs away*
I think they might have missed the mark.
Someone please tell me there's an ad blocker for Chrome Mobile.
There's also AdBlockPlus for Android which blocks ads all around (including in apps), but it requires root access.
I know I know "they're only on pages with nsfw content and if you have nsfw enabled" i ain't gonna disable it when i enjoy some of the nsfw content is in my inbox but when i go to the front page and there's a chat porn ad because there's a dick in one of the thumbnails that crosses the fucking line.
I never had adblock installed cause i understand ads are used to make revenue but i have now installed it cause i don't want to see your porn ads. way to go FA
Granted, what i've stated is sort of redunant, but I really don't think there's any excuse for this. You're just turning people away and off by doing this. Why don't you guys actually LISTEN to us for once? You'd be making a lot less people angry.
Please, tell me, why would you think this was a good idea? We don't want this. Or is it you don't care about what we want...again.
NOPE.AVI
D:
Please find a classier way of displaying ads or I will likely not be patronizing the website in any way in the near future.
When I see stupid shit like "FIND HOT ASSES TO FUCK NOW", yeah I'm turning it back on.
I'll keep the community ones whitelisted though, cause they actually follow a tasteful guideline & promote artists in the community.
Please, FA. I don't mind ads, just please no porn ads...
I'm really saddened by FA right now...
As am I, this is kinda the last straw for me.
Yeah, I'm going to start shopping around asap. This is ridiculous..
I may calm down, but I still think it'll upset me every time I see an adult oriented ad..
I will wait and see what happens before cutting ends with FA. Yea it is upsetting to say the least. I leave my page open on my computer I don't need family seeing this.
The siblings that live with me are underage, so I don't want them exposed to dirty ads and such. I do my NSFW drawing away from them for a reason.
I too have an underage sibling, but I show the silly art this place offers to my family, there is some comedy gold art here and I love that about FA. Cant do that with porn ads all up in my face. Even with ad block, I shouldn't have to use it.
Also, who cares about advertising changes. 99% of the people online should be using adblock already, unless you want to "meet local girls in low earth orbit" or something.
As far as a UI goes. at this point you've got to the point where your UI is so old, even windows 8/nein/10 copied you.
The mature ads have been scaled back while we remove campaigns which violated the limitations we implemented. Users should only see a limited amount per 24 hour period while we evaluate them on our side."
How bout removing them all together.
Please reconsider this decision.
I've been resisting putting on AdBlock up to this point. I'm honestly strongly considering ad block if this is the new trend.
P.S. The new banner is lovely :3
u done goofed 👍
Thank you for taking this matter seriously.
I miss the days when I was able to have FA whitelisted on adblock and not have to worry about any gross ads or virus/malware risks. :(
This is bad, not sure how anyone thought this was a good idea.
I knew this site was going places well before IMVU came into play.
GG FA. Destroy your user base further \o/
i rarely speak but on this i must.
http://gyazo.com/337e85ebc2d7aac0efa59b99fb83dc12
http://gyazo.com/e22901378cb110cc0fefc9f9ab8e501e
http://gyazo.com/2a418ed4edb38d4b5aca88fcfdf60007
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....olicy-AUP.html
2.8 - Content of poor quality (e.g. fuzzy audio, blurry images, incorrectly rotated) is prohibited.
3.3 - Photography featuring sexual activity (human or animal) is prohibited.
3.4 - Photography displaying adult toys (sex toys or sexually modified objects) is prohibited, unless they are not in use, being worn, don’t show signs of having been in use, you created them from scratch, and you mark them with the adult content rating.
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
1.9 - Do not engage in Mature/Adult Rated activity in General Rated or public areas, such as profiles, journals, and shouts. Prohibited content includes erotic role-play, but excludes discussion of adult themes, provided they aren’t explicit. You may review content ratings by accessing the AUP under section 1.1.
1.10 - Do not post links to content that is prohibited by any of Fur Affinity’s rules. This includes links to real life pornography, malware, malicious scripts, websites featuring the illegal streaming of copyrighted content, or content in public (journals, profiles) or General Rated (AUP 1.1) areas that leads to Mature/Adult Rated material that is not behind a warning splash page.
FA, FA Admins, may I simply ask what in the name of fluff happened to this site? I remember back when I first joined well over three years ago that this site was a pristine, clean, awesome site for the furry community to spend their day, chat, post pictures SFW and NSFW alike. But now there's this smut strewn about the screen and I'm just going to say right now that until they're removed I will never turn my adblock off again on this site. It's disgraceful, and I will not have my computer's security in jeopardy just because you find it okay to put these terrible ads on a site that they never belonged on in the first place. I can with 100% certainty tell you that you have lost immensely more money than you ever would have gained by putting these ads on, because everybody else I know, going into the hundreds has turned on adblock in response to these ads.
I used to boast about being on "The most user friendly and awesome Furry site I've ever known!" But now this site just looks like a moneygrubbing porn hub. I have nothing else to say on the matter, I hope you fix this colossal mistake in due time.
I don't think they will earn more because more people will use addblock in the end though xD
I only support furry ads, thank you very much.
And I've honestly seen a big decrease in traffic and watchers from my ad since this shit started. So It's just not worth it anymore. I won't be updating.
It's.. Disgusting honestly.
Inkbunny - not many i know use it actively
Weasyl - Forced cropped images on the submissions page , very small too (i like how fa has the sub page)
DA - keeps changing everything every month
SoFurry - dunno many on it either
Other - ???
P.S. SoFurry is really good. Only downside is there isn't much stuff there.
or are you just that sick of the site you want to destroy it completely?
There will still be adult adds, but we will give you the illusion we listened to you :P
STAND YOUR GROUND, USERBASE. ALL, OR NOTHING.
so much for all those times i went out of my way to defend FA against being called a porn site.
Sorry to the furs of FA, but if you have a problem with this, order paypal/your credit card/debit card company to reverse the charge for adspace, because this is fucking sickening.
Not to mention that you can't have IRL porn on FA... but OMG LETS ADVERTISE IT FOR CHEAP CRAPPY ADVERTISEMENTS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS ARE SCAMS!!!
Im not sure what you guys consider to be extreme content but, these ads all showed up for and theyre pretty extreme if you ask me
http://i.imgur.com/qmI1y6m.png
Ever considered something like a poll or a suggestion journal for ideas? There are a lot of intelligent people on this site that could help bring some actual cash in.
Nah, who am I kidding, this is FA. Guess I best get my Weasyl up to date.
I encourage everyone to do the same.
Gotta hit em in the only place they will care before they will make any real changes: their wallets.
This decision hurts the artists that keep this very-much-outdated site alive, but something tells me that the former owner turned admin after he sold the site to IMVU, couldn't care less. He's too being a werewolf in Elder Scrolls Online... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGulsA3.....qY2U.jpg:large
It's either furry ads or nothing.
My adblock plus will remain on indefinitely. I am NOT going to risk both the well-being of my computer, internet connection, and the risk of having morally-objectionable material coming through my internet connection.
This is on FA. NOT the users.
Get your priorities straight.
People wouldn't have to use adblockplus if it wasn't for this new shit.
I have NEVER had a problem with ads from the users of the site/the artists of the community/etc, but these... HA Adblock's staying on.
you can whitelist certain ads within programs such as adblock to allow certain ads or sites to work with them so you can whitelist FA's ads while blocking the 3rd party ones
Yes it sucks that for many people who do not know how to do that and do not want to see the stupid ads on this site are most likely going to keep it all blocked which is very much bad for business for everyone who purchase ad space
This was a very bad decision on the dev's part and as you can see by the flooding of comments people are not happy with this decision
Also, just because someone has a submission rated mature or adult, it DOESN'T mean it's pornographic!
jfc.
Yes, I've made it so I can still see the user ads (though there are the IMVU ads, which I have no interest in), but that's not gonna stop me from seeing them when I browse via mobile. And if I'm looking at something with a blue outline, I don't want to see ads for RL porn sites.
Shitty move, guys :/
EDIT: "Scaled back."
No. Stop it. Get rid of them. If I want RL porn, I will go find my own RL porn. I'm not here for RL porn.
Sorry, but i support Furry ads only.
The bar just drops lower and lower every day with this site
Here's one to Inkbunny (easiest one I found) http://fa2ib.welcomefur.net/ (Change your password before starting and after the migration is done)
Also there is the reputation to think about, 75% of people think we're all pedophile, goat borking savages... this will just confirm it for them.
I don't want to see them!
This is just making me want to start using dA as my main front and putting FA in second.
''...Lets take the stuff that everyone likes... AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE so our nasty MILF ad's can move in''
something makes me doubt the money coming in from this shit is going to make up the difference from all the money lost as all the adblockers are turned on and people leave the site.
i can hardly say im an expert though and my interest in such things is more real-world based, so this is coming from an outside point of view.
FORCE THEM TO GIVE YOU IT.
If you paid by paypal, force a chargeback.
If you paid by your debit/credit card, force them to get your money back.
Sure there are options to be able to avoid the bad ads while keeping the artist ones, but lets be real. How many people are gonna take that extra step when they can just block all of it?
Do you guys even think of what you do before you do it? Or are you all about shoot first ask questions later?
FA is going Titanic/Costa Concordia with porn ads...
It's important to actually be thoughtful about changes, you know.
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!
YOU ONLY HAD TO LISTEN!
IT'S HAPPENING!
JOURNAL THEME: https://youtu.be/5l4OEJ38aLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g76DUy7jKY
clearly a brilliant decision made there
You would probably make more money with the artist ads than the porn ones if you just damn removed the porn ones. No one is going to see the artists ads anymore! Or the porn ads for that matter. And when an ad gets no views, it makes little to no money for you guys.
Artists are going to stop buying ad slots, and put their money somewhere else. And I'm preeeeetty sure you money hogs don't want that. No money from advertising artists, AND no money from the porn ads? Blasphemy!
So get smart. The entire community doesn't want this bullshit.
FA IS NOT JUST FOR PORN!
I think the adult ads are pretty tacky and they make the site look bad. I know you guys have some sort of agreement with hosting the ads but I personally think the adult ones are taking it too far. Plus those kind of ads cater to a demographic that isn't really present on FA. I hope you consider removing the adult ads! If you don't that's ok. I'll still support FA :>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g76DUy7jKY
Just saying.
Such a shame for the good, user foundet and artist advertisement.
But such a shit i dont want to see. Sorry but ADBLOCK is now forever switched on. I use it anyways on all sites, its simply not possible to surf without, and now sadly on FA too. I think nobody needs more screenshoots form this shit.
Sure advertisment is a part of all meanwhile an useful to keep a site alive, but not so.
Slowly they fuck up the complete FA. Thanks for that.
Immediately begging the question of why allow adult ads in the first fucking place!
Adblock as always, but man...downhill. Cheapcheapcheap and tacky.
....I'm not sure I will even think of buying internal ads at all at this point since I am sure most people don't whitelist.
Also, Thanks to the banner person, but if you were waiting for a banner, anyone would have made one if you did a journal or a contest. You could really have a new one almost each month doing that, or even every few months. Easy peasy.
just posting it and hoping doesn't seem like a very smart or effective way of doing it.
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site.
Ok let me go ahead and download the malware, thanks.
Quickedit: I hate using adblock on FA. Because it removes the ability to see any artists. But since you introduced ads outside of artists and such. I have had to use it.
... I'm gonna have to use this somewhere now. xD
If FA wants to have more mature ads why not sell the space to artists and companies (such as wetblush, furoticon, or bad dragon) that are specifically mature but furry related and allow them to have more mature related ads.
I love watching a good fire. Nothing's more relaxing. ^.^
Also why should anyone risk malware to report porn ads when they should all just be taken off?
This is painful to watch.
It the mod/admin job, not the user job; stop slacking and get back to work
Btw, adult adds? Did you really want to lower the intelligence bar for your staff? What sort of idiot would agree to that? :P
You do realize we are going to report all of them because they are all TASTELESS,seriously who the hell thought this was a good idea, look I know smoking a bowl every four weeks is okay, but next time you light up dont try and do something for FA.
IMVU: "They like porn right, lets just stick a few porn ads on there, no one will care honestly"
It feels like now that the site was sods, they are doing everything they can to hey people to leave.
I'm just about there.
We've enabled mature third party ads on submissions which contain adult content.
Are you kidding me?
Get rekt.
I'm sure a ton of people have already said this but thank holy fucking christ for adblock.
So I had one of those ads pop up on a submission, a non-mature one... Then it followed me home..
http://stuff.homicidalbunny.com/FAsAdsSuck1.png
And a few minutes later another shows up...
http://stuff.homicidalbunny.com/FAsAdsSuck2.png
Admittedly, yes, there are mature thumbnails on my page, but a friend who was logged out at the time notified me of seeing such an ad on my page several minutes later...
Now correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm rarely logged out... But doesn't FA NOT display mature/adult thumbnails to logged out users and users with SFW mode turned on?..
Yet one such user got a porn ad... How charming..
Regardless, there is a BIG freaking difference between my mature/adult artwork, and this.... low grade, potentially virus riddled SMUT peddling.. And I would rather it not show up next to basically anything of mine..
Not to mention, FA already has a bad enough reputation, does it really not to start looking like an ACTUAL porn site?...
Oh, and let's not forget, as someone who periodically advertises here.. I'm not terribly fond of the idea of these ads driving away potential traffic and wasting the money I paid because a significantly larger number of users are now (understandably) using AdBlock... It was already bad enough with having to wait 2+ weeks to get a response on submitting ads.. Now there's this to contend with.
Get rid of this... Seriously.. It's not doing FA or anyone else any favors..
Fuck you and your ads
If it does, that will be a major problem.
Personally, I do not want gory, violent, or otherwise disgusting imagery displayed anywhere near my own art in any way, shape or form. Not even in an ad.
Either this imagery must continue to be banned from ads, or a separate "squick" category must be created, with ad associations and blocking options provided independently of the category for normal sexual imagery.
People are already up in arms and blocking ads. You do not need to provide extra reasons for them to do so.
Oh. Business as usual, I see. ^^;
NOTICE: Due to the overwhelming amount of notes that I receive please note that response times may vary. If you need assistance please open a Trouble Ticket. Do not note me regarding FA issues unless you have already opened a ticket. Our staff will respond to you as soon as we are able.
In other words, this is FurAffinity officially saying that if you get a virus from these shitty porn ads, they don't care.
Because this is totally the way i want to be greeted by this website.
I dunno WHAT THE HELL you got into your minds over at Admin and Mod junction,
but i suggest getting that fucking out of here.
Yes FA has a lot of adult content but here's the thing:
It's user created, viewed by choice and not thrown in your face if you don't want it.
Having adult content on a website is not the same has having porn ads.
God, this makes explaining a Rammstein video clip easier then having FA on....
From what I know it also doesn't matter if you're just looking at moderately mature art or plain adult content. BAI ARTISTIC NUDITY!
xP
So anyone who's paid to have an add on FA just wasted money. I can imagine anyone who doesn't already, will be using add blocker. These adult adds are disgusting and should not have been implemented in the first place.
But you know FA, anything for a dollar right?
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site. "
You know all those ones between submission/journal and the posts? Oh, and the ones under the artist ads and above the meat of the page?
ALL OF THOSE
Why not ads about the content we are here for? Now I will install adblock PLUS over my adblock to make 420% sure that I don't see any filthy homo sapiens poking out my nose!
This is a disgrace! I can't imagine the amount of journals about the matter! Think about the children!
2) In regards to the mature ads... I've been on this site for a while now, and I generally stand by staffs decisions and actions. But the fact that is someone posts an adult or mature-labeled image to their gallery of them say at the beach in a swimsuit and they get it removed and possibly suspended if they upload multiple images (say they were taken at a furmeet). Yet, when I log in on FA and even turn my sfw filter on, I'm greeted with page-wide banners advertising "Wanna fuck tonight?!" or "Moms in need of cock"? That's rather iritating to be honest. With these ads, the site now seems reminiscent of one of those off-the -grid random photo sites loaded with ads and malware.... I'm on the fence about the whole IMVU thing, and I'm hoping for the best for the site out of it. But these ads, myself and several other members are just about ready to pull off of this site in search of greener pastures. I log onto here to share art, look at art, learn about art, meet other furs, and have a place where I can just chill and meet like-minded people, not to find out who's "Alone and horny in my area".
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/.....move-adult-ads
until that's done i'm adblocking the site, sorry.
But from the other way around: I want to see yiff but I don't fucking want to see gore...
Best. Idea. Ever.
Seriously though, someone had to pat themselves on the back and congradulate themselves on their good idea about putting motherless grade porn spam front and center on the page. It just gives the impression that the devs are just throwing in the towel and going for the shameless porn appeal, which anyone with a clue might have figured would be met with backlash, especially considering how critical the community has been of recent moves on the part of FA and IMVU.
Lacking in self awareness, or just no fucks given- either way its a middle finger to the userbase.
I don't see anyone saying "I FOUND YOU GUYS FROM IMVU HEE".
also
mature ads?
Like, are you fucking serious?
Glad this site is literally becoming the joke everyone made when this was first announced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcSmlSok32g
YA GOT THAT RIGHT. 'Neer is busy rolling in his pile of IMVU money right now, and literally nobody else responsible is listening. Noooooooobody cares what the users think. We're just a cash cow to 'em now and they're going to milk us until we all leave.
So basically, artists have no mode to advertise commissions. Ads are useless and submissions are against the rules. Just keep shitting on us, thanks.
Zero ads, so I don't have to see any of them. I don't mind ads or adult ads... but those nasty ads are not welcome in my book.
If you want to include Ads, please for the love of god at least make them furry ads like the ones we have because to be completely honest... ads like the ones you've added are WAAAAY out of place.
This is a furry site... not a human porn site... xwx
Someday very soon we're going to be looking back on the golden age of adblock, wishing such tools still worked or were even still legal...
So when it does. Maybe stay offline.
If FA is serving thirdparty ads, those should be blocked by default. I bet their own ads are on their own adserver you can whitelist though.
Myself, I'm just a watcher/commissioner, but it's exciting to see new and interesting ways to be disappointed.
....But I'm wary of the mature ads...why not, when an artist is making an ad, just simply say "mature work available" instead of just having mature ads in the first place?
bluntly: porn site ads
...I don't like the sound of that...
I use adblock, but now you're just making the site even more uncomfortable for people who stumble onto FA for the first time.
Kinda hate to see what the next "update" will bring us.
SMART!
Good thing you never answered for my ad renewal cause now I'd rather not!
Also been adblocking for ages so meh
BUT SO SMART GUYS! JESUS!
If you're paying $175 to have a hard drive formatted (which you can do for free: http://www.dban.org/ ) then lol
You sure the drive didn't just coincidentally die? Cause platter drives eventually die
I dont know anything about laptops or repairing them, so i really dont know how to do it cheaper regardless.
Remember, PC repair shops expect you to be stupid & overcharge you for things that you don't need - like certain oil lube shops.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some sour persimmons to eat.
If this is the way FA is going to be from now on, at least make there an option to OPT OUT of viewing adult ads entirely, because I and I'm sure a fairly significant portion of the community who use this site don't use it as solely a porn site and don't always want to be bombarded with graphics in size 60 font that say "FIND FUCKBUDDIES IN YOUR AREA".
P.S. Nice new banner.
Do you have it apply to do the banner, or is it just furs who are friends of those behind the site (not that there's anything wrong with that)? Is the artist paid for their work (or visa versa)? Is it changed by season? Do holidays count?
SOMEFUR GIVE ME ANSWERS!!!
so basically you have to be super popular to get it lmao
I made one, posted it with a tags like "furaffinity banner", "fender", ect and then sent it to Dragoneer. This is actually the first time a banner I made got used. I did make a few attempts in the past too.
Good luck with your business.
ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW IT GETS EASIER TO IGNORE OUTRAGE THE MORE OF IT THERE IS?
I BET HE'S STARTING TO ENJOY DOING THIS TO US ACTUALLY.
Dragoneer is playing this very smart actually; easing us into the outrage one tiny disgusting step at a time so that we won't ever reach that critical mass of "Fuck this" where enough people leave at once to actually found a new home and stay gone.
If you want to get people to boycott FA, you have to demonize it. The one thing the community hates, is being associated with porn peddlers. FA's mature ads are doing just that, because any average Joe who visits the site, and happens to not have AdBlock when looking at pretty much anything, since most of the site is porn, sees porn ads. If we want to get through to Dragoneer, we have to do to him, what people did to Zaush. Dragoneer is raping the fandom.
Can we please remember that this is about Dragoneer screwing everyone over? Not the adult artists screwing the clean artists over?
Yes it's sad that furry's public image is largely tainted by the porn. That isn't the porn's fault though. There is porn of literally everything and nobody seems to give a shit about it when it comes to any other genre. The problem is the way the furry community handles it; stirring up huge storms of drama, vocally advertising this internal controversy to the media. Basically, the only reason anyone cares that we draw porn is because WE care so much what they think, that WE think it's horrible and embarassing. It becomes fun to lampoon us for it because it gets such a reaction out of us, and because we're typically so awkward about it. Remember that inside, all adults are still just schoolyard kids, every bit as petty. Tormenting others is still a form of entertainment for the vast majority of people.
Dragging the clean artists out of "furry" won't solve anything, because then whatever you choose to call yourselves this time around the porn will follow too. That's what people DO. Whenever there's something clean and unspoiled out there, it just makes people desperately want to be the first to defile it. It's human nature, and I don't think we can fight that. I don't think we have to though. People desecrate the beloved ideas of others on a daily basis, draw and write and say horrible terrible things, and somehow we all survive and get along. The only people left today that can't handle their ideas being "tainted" by what others do in their private time are fucking ISIS.
And furthermore, can you please not do to ANYBODY what you did to Zaush? It's years later and I still have no clue what the hell happened back then; just I've heard way too many baseless accusations of horrible crimes with absolutely no evidence or any reason to believe a word of it. All I know is it seems pretty clear most of what I heard was a lie. That is NOT OKAY. If you go around starting a lynch mob over a crime somebody didn't commit you're verging into KKK territory and I'll have no goddamn part of it. If you have evidence of a real crime then take it to court and have him arrested please; otherwise what the FUCK were they doing?
Sorry for the abrasive reply but I can't agree with your philosophy on the fandom. Furries can still get along. It's FA that needs to go.
What I CAN do is tolerate the difference of opinion and respectfully keep my porn away from your art.
The person who can't do that is Dragoneer.
I don't give a shit if you put your porn next to my porn, hell, it's probably wound up next to you somehow or another anyway, so you don't see me flipping out. The point I was making is that I just don't think it's fair that somebody in the community is going to perpetuate what the media drive. The simple fact is, if you want people to boycott a product, it's not the 1700s anymore. People are stupid in any large number.
The whole idea of the hashtag wasn't to separate clean artists, from adult artists either... that'd be hypocrisy, which to me is bullshit. The hashtag is intended to ostracize Dragoneer, like the hashtags about Zaush. Zaush wound up getting railed by the shitstorm he had to deal with, and I'll bet his commissions took a dive, as well. Use a hashtag against Dragoneer, and it can spread the message to stop giving FA traffic. Calling him out on being as being a traitor to the fandom would definitely work, sure. People love pariahs, but you missed the context completely. Using the context of 'furrynomore' and 'furaffinity' in hashtags, in the proper syntax, can spread to furries like wildfire and make people doubt that FA is actually a home to furries anymore. It happened with DeviantART, and all that needs to happen is linking FurAffinity with a disconnect from the community, but doing it in a way that the masses can understand and not just a few people.
You read in too far to what I was saying... way too far. I'm actually quite a literal person. Maybe a different hashtag set could be used, though, since 'furrynomore' kind of implies that people are abandoning the fandom. Also, remember. Isis likes the attention, that's what they want. If we ignore them, they'll shut up and go about their lives normally.
I think you're wrong about ISIS though... I don't think you go declaring war on the entire world and annexing several countries just for attention. They do want attention, but only to spread the word of their cause to get more recruits. Their end goal is nothing short of the total annihilation of everyone who is not them.
I might be wrong, I'll admit that... but, then again it'd probably be worth a shot though.
Man, if only FA had some kind of revenue stream so that they could spend the time on upgrading the site with little details like that OH WAIT THEY DO SO HOW COME ALL WE GET IS MORE ADS
but instead
lets shower in ad's
Considering FA has the clean/adult switch so fundamentally built in and plenty of storage space for double-avatars, there's no fathomable reason not to implement that solution. If you turned me loose on their source code I would have that particular patch done and up and running within two hours - and I say that not even knowing what language this place is written in. It would be that simple, there is no question.
And I would offer my services to do it for free, even, if I still believed FA was a place that deserves free labour.
I mean sure popularity wise SoFurry is probably at the bottom, but coding wise they are up there due to having a dedicated team who tend to churn out things that do good things (like currently they are working on an APP to visit their site with made specifically for mobile devices)
*sigh*
No I have to agree 100% with you; FA is an amazing site, and I use it for my work more then any other site. It would be amazing to be able to support FA like that since the site helps me pay my bills. I don't care what I get out of it; it just means that I can continue to work. If people don't like subscriptions then go; because you kids don't understand how much money it takes to run a site.
With how much money rolls through this place the fact that after a decade we don't have features some other places do, that they seem to be constantly changing hardware, donation drives, Ad dollars and other oddities has people wondering where the money all goes.
That mentality right there, the 'kids don't understand' is exactly the sort of guilelessness FA thrives on to continue giving the just passable amount of functionality yet still need so much money to basically not have gone anywhere...
They know the game.
And they'll win.
Thoughts?
This was never about covering costs, it was never about them needing money. It's ENTIRELY about Dragoneer getting greedy for more money for himself and thinking he can exploit the fandom for it. Which, as you can see, HE CAN.
if you put things behind a paywall, you can consider it a success if you have a 1-2% conversion rate. on average, much less than that will not subscribe, and given the history of poor choices, i don't think fa would be an exception to this rule. this is also in generic terms; fa may need 5% or more to gain a profit, and if their poor choices are forcing people to leave, that shrinks the pool from which they can gain subscriptions.
as an artist pointed out in a stream i was in earlier, the number of people who say they will buy something is vastly, vastly different (and smaller) than those who will actually buy it.
It'd essentially be a donation, and if people could make it, and especially show the status in even the most insignificant way possible to say "hey I made it" they would. Period. It'd be easy income to keep the site afloat without any of these wretched non-community/adult ads.
TAKE IT TO HIS FRONT DOOR. GO ON HIS SHOUTS, TELL HIM THAT THIS IS NOT KOSHER.
GO ON HIS TWITTER, FLOOR IT.
MAKE IT CLEAR WE DO NOT WANT THIS, AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM AT THIS POINT!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/.....move-adult-ads
Listen to your goddamned userbase, people. THEY ARE THE FUCKING REASON YOU ARE STILL HERE. Quit pissing them off.
Seriously if you say your listening to your userbase which is the only reason this site is as popular as what it is today then give us some say in some of these decisions you would find that most people as you can see with this very posting do not like this latest website update and it's only going to drive people away or hurt the artists that has spent good money for ad space with most of it's userbase not being able to see it due to adblockers being active (you can whitelist fa ads but not everyone will know how to do that)
First there were regular ads, then...
UGH!
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!
The banner is beautiful. Congratulations to the artist.
Third party adult ads. Just... congratulations FA. Not allowing human pictures in here yet going overboard with this. The amount of hypocrisy is superior to the size of my... disc collection.
Why don't you include 3D avatars in the profiles like hi5 used to do back in 2009? Hell, it's IMVU that rules this place now!!!
All in all my perceptions are the same. The day FA perishes I shall wear my best clothes and dance on its grave.
WOULD YOU BE
IF I CHANGED MY ICON TO A NAKED WOMAN FROM YOUR ADS.
Because I mean, that's advertisement.
Or wait.
Is that going against the rules, because we're not supposed to have sexually geared icons that suggest sex or show genitals?
But we have ads that do?
I mean, why stop there?
Can we start uploading naked picture of people now?
Because the ads ONLY SHOW if it's on an adult picture, right?
Apparently sex ads are supposed to be in our interest, so some naked women or men on FA matches those ads, thus our interests, right?
Oh wait.
No.
You seriously think anyone is going to fucking click those ads?
You seriously think people WANT those ads?
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site.
Every adult ad is not in spirit with this website. Did you forget that this is community of artists, writers, musicians and craftsmen? Yes, a good portion of artists create adult art but it's art none the less. If they were advertisements about art supplies or companies that make fur for fursuits, I wouldn't have a problem with that and would turn Ad-Block off.
This shit wouldn't have happened if they just sold out to Second Life, I guess.
Guys... This site is going through a 'Neer Death Experience.
I gotta tell Angry Joe. He'll say something about it.
Twenty-four hours from that, adult ads go up.
Angry refund request to Dragoneer response time? One minute.
I'm getting this e-mail framed.
I have been offered a refund, but will be waiting to see what sort of stance this takes officially over the next few days. (And even offered to pay a "daily" fee for each extra day my ad is up because it really is a great service. :) )
Thank you so much for your (and everyone else's) support it really means a lot. My jaw's just on the floor currently and I don't know how to deal with this mix of emotions which lies somewhere between anger and amusement, haha~
It's basic corporate customer service 101 by giving you what you think is fair compensation when it's not fair for you and nothing really changes. This is exactly what happens in department stores, product call centers, and some retail services. You can't take the red herring bait as satisfactory when it's simply not.
I'm still considering taking the refund in full because, honestly, even if this whole thing is reversed people have already decided to install ad-blocker and I'm not sure how many will go through the trouble to deactivate it afterwards.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any similar alternative services that offer the sheer amount of traffic and that FA ads have else I'd take my business elsewhere in a heartbeat after this!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx.....h5UDdaaTg/view
ONE minute! This has got to be some kind of record!
That has to be a record, I have never seen him do something so quick before! :D
I thought about grabbing more ad space this summer, but then all of these bloody ads started appearing all over the site.
For a site that's "all about the artists," it sure doesn't seem that way now. =/
But the site banner is definitely nice, I like it^^
The AUP states that:
3. Photography:
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
Two photos of people in lingerie, two separate banners.
And a blue border on an image - the only "adult" thumbnail I have on my own userpage - does NOT automatically mean I have "adult" content - it's there because the image shows blood, not because it shows genitals.
I quite frankly do not want to see advertisements for "Desktop Strippers" or "Horny BBWs available now".
I hate to do it, because I'd like to have the opportunity to support artists that contribute to FA by seeing their adverts .... but yes, I AM going to be blocking adverts on FA now.
Best idea ever!
Ugh FA you make it so hard for me to love you.
WOW
You guys are VERY terrible with this whole AD thing arent ya?
Please get rid of these ads, it's already ruining the website. Think about your users, not the cash. If you've got no users, you've got nothing.
IMVU users have been dealing with this for YEARS, and they did warn us this is what gonna happen to us
In all seriousness though, I didn't have adblocker on my computer at all until those IMVU ads happened here, (specifically that really obtrusive one next to submissions) and then I disabled it for Fur Affinity after you changed that.
I don't like limiting my exposure to new artists, but I really don't like these adult ads.
Really? Isn't IMVU some sort of chat for minors anyways? Why is a company marketed towards minors promoting adult content attached to their name? Is that not counter-productive?
Additionally, I do NOT think its fair to assume that just because an artist has adult content enabled means that they want porn shoved down their throats. I draw adult art, but I don't want to see "the older I get, the hornier I get, just like right now, I'd love to suck your cock. Mmmmmmm." (An actual ad, by the way.)
And FA is great with Adblock, unless of course, you're on a mobile device or gaming console. I should not have to Adblock this site anyways. No one should have to.
You're burning yourselves to the ground.
i hope an admin actually sees and listens to this comment too :I this is sickening
i am seriously considering closing out my account here - which is to say ive already decided and am just building up the nerve to do it since there is pretty much no other option
yay
IMVU are either gonna pull out due to the site not earning enough revenue, or they're going to completely trash the place with ads and other things just to get their moneys worth.
I really can't see a way that will keep both parties happy.
As someone who's only 17 (and hasn't lied about their age, is only seeing non-adult stuff) this just doesn't fuckin' work. Or cut it.
They are a source of malware and there are ALOT of people who use this site who arent very savvy.
And not to mention the increasing ads is causing people to use adblocker. Which means artists, FURRIES, are not getting their ads they paid for seen.
Please reconsider.
What is the reason for adult ads?
Are we a cheap 90's tacky website now :/
no one appreciates them, Ad-block is being used by SO MANY PEOPLE now because of it, and a TON of artists are suffering because the advertizements that matter (the artist ads) aren't being seen. this is a bunch of BS. you want feedback but you don't listen. besides, isn't this whole 3rd party adult ad business against your own TOS?
It's pretty sad when this site is running ads that violate it's own terms of service...
"PHOTOGRAPHY
3.3 - Photography featuring sexual activity (human or animal) is prohibited.
3.4 - Photography displaying adult toys (sex toys or sexually modified objects) is prohibited, unless they are not in use, being worn, don’t show signs of having been in use, you created them from scratch, and you mark them with the adult content rating.
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or
3.8 - Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited.
Instead of sending any money directly or indirectly to FA I'll be sending money to donate to other art sites as well as to the creators of AdBlock Plus (A wonderful program that stops stupidity like this). My mate as well as any friends that used to buy ad-space on FA will be doing the same.
Hope those ads are paying the bills now FA because nothing else will be :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI
1.Take away ads containing porn that comes from another site then FA, and if it comes from FA, then make sure that does who isn't here for any kind of sexual content or violent stuff have the ability to block ads like that! (I don't know if you can already block it or not if it comes from FA.)
2. Give us folders or something. (this is pretty much just something that would be helpful for any kind of artist and person here on FA.)
3. Give each and every person the ability to choose what kind of background we want for the site, if you ever replace the old one.
This is just some stuff that I care about. *Walks away, while hoping that the people that runs this site understands logical stuff*
You're just going to lose more and more people if you don't listen to us. And then I'm talking about big artists and popular persons that's going to get enough of the stuff you're doing right now.
So please......read the comments!!!
Thank you. That was all from me!
Have a nice day!<3
Also, you guys are fucking hilarious, note dragoneer. NOTE... dragoneer..? HA! He doesn't even answer the notes about general stuff or advertising like.. ever, until he's forced to. What makes anyone think he'll start sorting through ad complaints. And you guys need to make up your goddamn minds about screenshots. So, screenshots of 'bad' ads are totes ok, but oh god, screenshots of someone being harassed or threatened, no, fuck those, cause yanno, someone would photoshop that stuff, and not a malicious ad ever. ugh..
I tried to put off doing so for as long as possible, as I like to support the artists but....-shrug- I just can't handle it anymore. I'm so sorry for anyone who has wasted money by buying an ad. :/
stop being agephobic
I see no problem with adult ads on here. I mean... Considering the ratio of NSFW stuff on here anyway.
But such sites need to promote themselves too.
and the adult ads arent even anything near relevant to the community. its your generic "HOT BITCHES IN YOUR AREA WANT TO FUCK" kind of ad, straight out of the 90s. itd be laughable if it wasnt so aggravating
I spent the last few days designing my ad to send in - but after this fiasco there's no fucking point any more.
What websites do other artists recommend for their primary base? I would leave FA in a heartbeat if I could - but I've spent years getting to the point I'm at now and financially cannot afford to leave. But I can damn well try.
i might have to check it out :) in the meantime though, i use Weasyl (i know, it's kindof a "hip" thing to do lately) but i've been there since it was still beta-invite only and it's far better managed than FA. atleast the admins there are activly involved with their community.
This is wearing thin.
The mature ads have been scaled back while we remove campaigns which violated the limitations we implemented. Users should only see a limited amount per 24 hour period while we evaluate them on our side.
[EDIT 2]
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site.
looks like a lot of hassle considering that mature adds shouldn't even be a thing here in the first place
But that also blocks user made ads.
So... I try and avoid that as much as possible.
the fact that users have to do this to not see the unwanted 3rd party crap is more concerning
the fact is that not everyone knows how to do that and will have to do that to remove the sick 3rd party crap (not to mention malicious) and keep the stuff they want to see. It's also concerning how much we as the userbase did not have any say with these decisions. Yes this is going to hurt people who buy ad space but that now begs the question on them whether they want to continue supporting this site
If I had an ad which I have considered getting I know I'd want a refund right about now
but this is what happens when a site gets bought out. it's no longer about the community.
And don't reply to this saying "It doesn't matter" or whatever. It's worth a shot.
No I'm not using ghostery. No I'm not disabling this or that to avoid blocking artist ads.
Why? Because I want artists to stop paying for that useless ad space. Which is apparently what the staff is trying to do with this nonsense.
I'm not going to provide work arounds for a bandaid you made me have to use when I shouldn't have to use it in the first place. The simple fact I had to use adblock at all should've shut this shit down instead of prompting people to "help" by providing or locating the artist ad work arounds.
This stuff is just a ball of stupid. How can you allow this and not think this was going to be a bad idea?
If your gonna block, block in full, hurt them at the wallet, stop advertising here, branch out and change will happen. Not doing anything is what they are counting on so they can continue to give us near nothing despite sometimes insane amounts of dollars coming into the sight form the user base.
That or just laziness cause they don't want to have to 'start over'.
but what did i get? a bunch of "but it's hurting the artists"... :I why are you giving FA your money then? because THEY'RE the ones screwing up.
*sigh* the way i see it, it's like "peaceful picketing" how did issues in the past get solved? by peaceful riots, boycotts and the like. but apparently doing something by not doing something is "too much work"
My six month ad went up YESTERDAY and I logged into this today. I gave them my money for them to provide me a service and they have now changed how they provided that service without giving us any notification.
THAT'S why I'm pissed and it very much has hurt my business.
Either way, this isn't the artist's fault and it's not right to "hurt them at their wallet," as someone else mentioned, for something completely out of their control, especially for ones that are unable to get a refund for one reason or another. No reason to cut off one's nose to spite their face.
Ads, while annoying, should as a whole be seen as a necessary evil in my opinion; it costs money to run a site.
I do agree however that 18+ ads are unacceptable for an art website and that you /shouldn't/ have to go through the trouble of only blocking certain ads. But, if you do then, yes, you are hurting artists that didn't know any better in this case. ^^;
I also shouldn't HAVE to subject myself to something for that reason. People SHOULD be able to get a refund since this is happening and something SHOULD be done for it.
No. It's not fair to the artists. But guess what? Just as the artists shouldn't have to pay for the follies of the administration, so does the watcher base. It's not fair to them to HAVE to put up with work arounds and nonsense just to avoid porn just so they can help out the artist base.
This shouldn't have happened to begin with. Providing work arounds and essentially doing the job for the administration isn't doing anything other than allowing them leeway. That's it.
It's this or leaving and that too, hurts artists.
I mean I agree, it really sucks that the ones who are hurting the most from this are the artists, but maybe the uproar from them BECAUSE of the fact that many people are employing adblock and saying to hell with the work arounds will allow them to stop with this nonsense so that people can remove adblock altogether.
And I agree, it does cost money to run a site.
But come on, they've gotten more than enough through donations, constant artists buying ad space (which they just essentially shat on), and all the other means they already HAVE. On top of the fact that selling it to IMVU was supposed to help with that problem from the get go! Why are they now choosing to employ the most backwards tactics to get more money as if they were desperate for it?
As for the monetary situation, however, it's often best not to make assumptions for that sort of thing!. I used to run a website a while back and, believe me, a lot of people really don't know how much time, money, and effort it takes to run a website. Just because it looks like something is making adequate revenue doesn't mean that they actually are, especially when you don't truly know what sort of expenses are involved. (Seriously, everyone lost their shit when we implemented ads because we were "making so much money from donations and virtual goods sales." :P Nope, barely breaking even to be quite honest and definitely had no extra cash for upgrades until we implemented ads.)
But otherwise, yes, 100% agree. Though if I want something a certain way, Ill do my part to make it happen. I shouldn't be so accommodating, but that's just how I am. ^^;
I understand running a website costs money, that's fine, but if they were hurting so badly that they needed to employ these tactics, then the userbase should've been more aware of it, especially since the tactic they employed affects the revenue of other users on this site. They did something completely unfair without asking and I feel like they need to be held responsible for it. As it stands, so far the only thing I've been seeing them do, is asking users to put themselves at risk with this new tactic of reporting the ads by right clicking them, and having the userbase employ adblock (which I still believe shouldn't have had to be employed to begin with) along with other add ons and work arounds.
None of this has been transparent. It's all been vague randomly popping up nonsense without so much as a test or a poll or a question. Just implement something big and new and have it go to shit THEN fix it after it causes a problem. No preemptive strikes after all these years of doing the same nonsense over and over.
I'm just a lot less patient on things that I believe should've been common sense. I also don't like that stuff like this seems to just pop up all of a sudden without so much as a test or anything. All of their actions are the same basic responses they've had over and over again to the same silly stuff they pull with this website and I am just done with the nonsense.
they dont give two shits about ANY OF US and it pisses me off. did you pay through paypal? dispute the transaction.
get them to retract it and say that you were fraudulently lead on about the service you were purchasing. which isnt exactly a lie.
they didnt inform you of any of this and you dont deserve this crap either
this is garbage. where's that transparency they promised?? i still see a window clouded with shit >:C
Step 2: all user turn on adblocker.
Step 3: no one will buy advertising space on fa.
Step 4: fail profit.
Title: TURN ON YOUR ADBLOCK AND SHUT UP!
Subject: THAT IS ALL
this is going to hurt the artists that purchase advertising since their ads will also be blocked
...
do we really need third party adult advertisements?
That'd be swell.
Honestly I'm glad I've invested time into posting on SoFurry and Weaysl. Don't know how much longer I want to stay on this sinking ship, and I say this to others who feel the same way: It may be time for change and to have the new hub of the fandom be on a different site.
I fail to understand IMVU's logic, they buy a website to post ad space and get $$$, ok, except the ads are targetted to the wrong demographic, thus, no cash, users get upset, users leave, all sources of potential income are lost. They lose cash.
I cannot fathom why whoever is in charge of FA right now would think it was a good idea to buy the 'main' furry website.
It's a shame but really, if things keep going like this, nothing good awaits FA.
Hello? I don't care about the ads. I simply ignore them or use adblock. Internet is filled with these type of ads, so I don't see a problem here. But I find funny how the site's rules directly contradict these ads
I never wanted to have to block ads on this site, but Adult Ads and Ads asking me if I'm pregnant is where I draw the lines.
As a side note, FurAffinity would have gotten much less shit for implementing ads like Bad Dragon. It would have ruffled some feathers, but would be more relevant to the site and fandom.
Sorry but, I think its time to start blocking ads. My apologies to the artists who spend their money here paying for ad space...... but this has gotten out of hand.
Pretty much no point in buying adspace now since each update drives more people to just block all ads on the site. :/ Seriously though, third party adult ads are just NOT a good idea.
it´s not like people here shared the thoughts these adds do. It is a shame to put on here, everywhere but especially here.
The pictures here are just drawings. What they advertise is far,far away from moral. Also what do they expect advertising here? humen barely wanted.
Edit: Again
it sucks that you only have one chance to fix your oopses on comments though lol
And then this.
I agree. It isn't so much the fact I can adblock and move on, it's that they thought this was fine to do and expose everyone to.
Ohai Weasyl and SoFurry.
When I have a trojan on my computer because of a compromised ad server which deploys blackhole exploits in flash ads, then it is too late to report and filter, because then your page has fucked up thousands of users already.
Remove these fucking ads, and go back to the normal furry ads. I am on a furry page. I want to see furry ads. I want to see ads from artists, fursuit markers etc. because THIS is what interests me and what I would consider buying!
I am considering finding other websites to look at ART without some stupid ass advertising.
Weather SFW mode or Not, I do NOT like the idea
of having NSFW Advertisements on this Art site.
It's gross. And makes me, as a part of this art community, very uncomfortable.
FA, you went TOO FAR.
See this Line?
Your on this side of it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq87efgyRuU
You know minors are on this site IMVU
Can't wait to see how many people leave because of this
New buttshit your starting IM U
The advertisementprofit goes to IMVU and of course they bought the site to make a sort of profit from it in the end.
However, there are worse things, if you ask me..
After all, FA's server have been "amazingly" stable and very fast the last months! More stable than in past, from what I can tell.
IMVU's main goal is to make a profit, that's crystal clear. However, there are much, MUCH better ways of doing so without serving up potential malware, rootkit and other harmful software to users.
As for the stability, I'd rather have an FA with no harmful ads and a few outages now and then than an FA that is constantly up and running but functions in a shady way.
I can't really expect the site to be ad-free, since everything on the internet has at least an ad nowadays, even Gmail. I'm not complaining about that. But this new batch of adult ads are offensive.
The first point is that I feel it reinforces the "furry = porn" stereotype, which should be far from true, and we should all ne fighting against it.
The second, more important point, is that this is an art and community site, not an adult site. People come here to share art and a common passion and point of view. It's true that there already is plenty of adult content on this site, but that is here because there are users who want to share it; these new ads, on the other hand, force that content on us even if we don't want to. It's an imposition on the community as a whole, and an extreme lack of respect towards us. You're basically forcing porn on us.
I don't want to have porn thrown at me without my consent. Again, this is an art site, not an adult site. It's like... I feel at home here, I have known a lot of interesting people and amazing artists. It's like my house is being violated. I don't want to leave, but I don't want my home to feel wrong to me either.
It's even more degrading since new people will come here, see the ads and say "Oh, then this has to be an adult site after all".
But hey, it's okay. If you get a virus and fuck up your PC, you just report it to Dragoneer and let him solve it in 6-8 weeks after he's done playing Elder Scrolls Online with dual monitors instead of working!
But hey, it's okay. If you get a virus and fuck up your PC, you just report it to Dragoneer and let him solve it in 6-8 weeks after he's done playing Elder Scrolls Online with dual monitors instead of working!
Actually, I do have a couple FA links on hand of the ads tho:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16903681/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16904597/
In case you want some humor with those ads. XD
Gotta take all this with a laugh or you'll go mad!
You've knowingly exposed your users to security threats to make a profit. There's no justifying this one.
Remove the ads. Now.
If not, why did you not conduct due diligence? If yes, does that mean you condone what they stand for, Piche?
Your are ruining everyone one's idea of a good art site. If you want a porn site, how about you just leave this place alone and go somewhere else.
Amazed havent demanded you to step down as the admin for your over all stupidity not listening to what WE want the most. What WE want on our site for a LONG TIME.
You are losing the faith of the artists and users of this site for a LONG time anymore. You might as well NEVER..EVER..show your face around any con anymore.
IF any of these ads show to anyone underage..might as well just report you for being a pedophile.
It was ruined when he sold the site to IMVU.
But...try saying that to someone "special" around here.
Does that sound so wrong?
>_>
<_<
Besides, even if he apologizes, he'll just go EA / Ubisoft on us. Fuck shit up, apologize and promise things will get better, rinse and repeat.
Now, here's a reason why people would use adblockers.
At the time, Dragoneer claimed it was because of cub porn. But the truth's been dox'd already.
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/History_of_Fur_Affinity
Pornographic cub art[edit]
August 2006 saw the restart of an internal administrative debate over the presence of pornographic underage furry artwork (or "cub art").[citation needed] Such art was forbidden by the site's Terms of Service, which specified that "depictions of sexually immature characters in any sexual situation are not permitted on Fur Affinity", but bans for this rule were not uniformly enforced. As with previous discussions, administrators could not come to an agreement on whether or not to modify site policy.[citation needed] Over the following months the issue developed into a public debate, with forum polls and discussion suggesting that the site's members were divided on the topic.
On November 5, 2006, it was announced that such work would be allowed, with the requirement of mandatory tagging. The main reasons given for this decision were that no actual minors were harmed during the artwork's creation, and that depictions of many other illegal activities, such as rape, murder, and drug use, were not permitted. Conversely, work that depicted human children, including anime characters, in sexual situations was also forbidden.[29] Non-photorealistic art depicting minors is no longer forbidden (current policy on this point is merely that submissions "shall not violate the law of the United States of America, be it State or Federal.") Some artists[who?] had threatened to leave the site if it was not forbidden, and some of these did so.[citation needed]
On November 24, 2010, Dragoneer officially changed site policy to:
History of Fur Affinity
FA does not permit content containing minors involved in sexual situations. This applies to humans (Loli, Shota) or otherwise human-like characters (i.e. Cub) who are, without question, under the general legal age (18)
History of Fur Affinity
This was due to AlertPay (their funding) dropping them, citing mature cub art as the reason. Artists were given 21 days to clean their galleries, and cub artists were given protection from harassment.
This caused an uproar within the cub community, with several artists[who?] clearing their galleries, and migrating to Sofurry or Inkbunny (although several users and artists[who?] alike saw the cub porn removal as a positive aspect for FA, some of whom even praised Dragoneer for the decision).[citation needed]
It escalated to the point where Dragoneer and other admins received death threats from disgruntled artists.[citation needed] The ban also led furry musical comedy act Drama Armada to record the song "Where Has All The Cub Porn Gone?"[30] (a parody of "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?" by Paula Cole).
The proof that the removals were unrelated to cub art are part of 'yiffyleaks', the event where a hacker leaked all the notes and journals on FA in one huge archive. The reason for removal was accusations of fraud and hosting adult content, which is against the payment providers' ToS.
Seriously, everyone knows Paypal does, and for a long time has, not allowed ANY pornographic transactions.
Removal of cub was proven to be due to overwhelming pressure from within FA staff. Dragoneer initially didn't want to ban it and swore it wouldn't happen.
...and of course like everything he's ever said, it didn't play out that way.
And no, Paypal does NOT allow the sale or exchange of pornographic material. I don't know if Bad Dragon uses them but if they do, they're in a rather rough quagmire.
Source: Myself. I got banned from PP for buying a pornographic comission. It was not mentioned in comments besides the website which linked back to their comission page. Obviously, there was furry porn there. Me. Personally. Doesn't get any more direct source than that.
Took quite a while to get them to tell me why, too. Had to provide photo ID and various other forms of identification too. Finally they admitted it, quoting the website and their ToS which disallows adult content.
So yeah. You can choose not to believe me if you want, but you're gonna have a bad time.
i appreciate your answers, anyway.
I think i'm done here. Not much else I can do to help.
No, I don't know why. But try mailing porn versus dicks and you'll find out the USPS doesn't mind the latter but will give you serious shit for the first.
and I mean FA was sold to IMVU there was a bunch of options to generate money in a less controversial way. (what i mentioned above, though that would be less necessary then because artist ads are neat! ) or patreon?!? that would of been a wonderful way to make money gradually and instead of taking hundreds out of one single persons pocket at one time and making THEM pissed off, everyone who wants to could of paid small amounts ): I at least believe quite a good number of people would of been on board for that and it'd be a little more intuitive for showing actual work being done little by little instead of promising huge updates all at once.
.... though I suppose now any advice is wasted effort ;3; would of been cool if it went down that route instead
https://youtu.be/ZSdd5z_SiOM
Nope.
I have Adblock and ublock installed, but to be honest that doesn't change my opinion on this. They make the site look like some dodgy 'geturfreemalwarehere!' Porno site and it simple gives off bad vibes.
As someone who's happily settled in a relationship I DONT fucking want to hear about 'hot singles' or 'big daddy butt blast meetups' in my area.
Looks like I won't be getting an ad for my art anytime soon lol.
Show a redneck with a cowboy hat and you'll get middle-aged white Texans.
Show a happy latino couple and talk about how cheap/affordable/value-packed your service is, and (even tho identical to the other ads) you get the immigrant crowd.
Show sports fans wowing over a game and mention 'HD' at least sixty times, or mix it with 'crystal clear' and 'the absolute best' and 'gametime' and give it some not-at-all-clever sports-themed name abominations, and you'll attract big-spenders who like to buy unnecessarily large packages. (You know the kind, the $140 cable package that has like 4 movie channels and 200 radio stations and six different language lineup packages, that you KNOW noone in that house will ever watch?)
It's weird. People are weird.
BTW: They knew which ad got people in because they each had different promo codes, even tho the deal is IDENTICAL on all three ads.
BTW, the most successful ad in Texas? The latino one. It had nearly a 3:1 turnout, and some of the most reliable average accounts.
It's like.. stereotyping in a bad way.. and a good way... at the same time.
Marketing left me very conflicted, emotionally.
Like, if it was more at us that would be neat! Maybe ways for artists to get noticed more; or things like that, ya know? Not... Whatever it was that went on.. e_e -Shudders- You seem like a neat person Janglur feel free to note me whenever when you want to chitchat or something! ^^
Folks think i'm smart and wise. Hah! Nah, i'm just old.
There was NSFW in a thumbnail.
aha haaaahaha
AHAAA HAA HAAAA HAAAAAAAAA
And it's so easy to do.
Good job Furaffinity. You've managed to become ever cringier. Kudos.
or if you have root can try hosts file http://www.thefoxtech.com/2015/01/u.....-to-block-ads/
But after going to the front page, and being greeted with ads such as the ones I saw, I'm thinking I may not want to buy adspace again. I loved using the system, too, and it brought in a lot of traffic, and I feel like there's not many places I can advertise my work, but if everyone starts blocking all ads on the site, what reasons do I have to keep supporting it?
I really want to support the user ads for the site, but please understand why I have second doubts now.
http://i.imgur.com/KexwNmx.jpg
This is the Titanic splitting into two pieces.
You want additional revenues from ads? Watch it plummet down in the coming months as everyone install and uses ad blockers to block every advertisement shown on FA and focus on the thing they are coming for: FURRY STUFF! Plus the ones who'll just leave the site altogether for greener pasture, especially well known artists who gets fed up and take a chunk of their fanbase with them.
I wish to extend my congratulations to Dragonner for making money by selling the website to IMVU, knowing they'd just screw it up and screw their own reputation in the process. BTW, I thought IMVU didn't allowed adult content on their own servers and their silly low grade copy of SL that they are running? But they do allow mature ads on a website they own? Double standard here, maybe this should be brought publicly, or at least to IMVU's own forums, just to see the reactions. I'm sure parents who let their kids play on IMVU, thinking it safe, would be happy to know that IMVU has no qualms making money with sexual ads on one of the website they own outside of IMVU proper...
I'd love for you all to give me a reason to whitelist your site on AdBlock, but you've failed to do that since IMVU took over. I'm sorry. I really am.
I think this whole "mature advertising" is a huge mistake, especially if it means an increased chance of a malicious urls being linked to this site.
The admins are gonna loose people if they continue down this path. I've seen plenty of adulted content here, but this is NOT a porn website.
I'm hoping they will reconsider this decision for the sake of the community.
I guess know is the time for me to join the numbers of adblocking users here... and banish this site and its owner to hell if they start trying to bypass adblocking.
Yeah, so fuckin' nothing can be done about it. Y'all should be wearing helmets 24/7.
I did not hit her!
I did naahhht... oh hai dingbat
WHY DOES HE WANT MONEY FOR?!??!?!?!?!
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My god.
Can you at least focus on the important things? Like say oh idk mobile GUI for the beta. I hate having to switch between classic and beta because it sucks on mobile. IE. Pinch zoom, journals and so much more dont wotk on beta mobile.
I've pretty much already been approved for one but will personally be waiting to see what their stance on the issue will be in a few days.
Sorry everyone who buys ads for their art on FA....
I hope that the ad revenue is at least seen in update.
Probably not -sigh-
I so hate it that all artists I watch continue to use this site over a decent alternative, and force me to keep using FA as well. It is beyond me why there are still any active users here any more. This is basically becoming a furry version of 4chan... with the only exception that the users are nice and not all trolls.
Applause
Great thing to have my business name associated with.
Gee thanks for the improved public image FA this is so awesome.
/end sarcasm
But seriously FA, what the hell? I already started using adblock on FA when the non-member ads began, and my SFW filter is always on, so I have not seen the new ads, but I have heard of them, and what I heard is disgusting. These new ads are not something I want my business name associated with and I will leave FA if this is not changed. I am not happy about this >:/
However..... The 3rd party ad decision is really not ok for may reasons. Minors use the site, these can even be seen in sfw mode, they look really unprofessional, these ACTUALLY make your users feel uncomfortable, ect ect.
Also, these ads are screwing over many artist who spent time and effort on getting ads up on this site! Even more people are using adbock now and this is GREATLY decreasing the chance of an artist's ad being clicked.
I had a whole journal about it. Neer even came in to comment.
Still now it's going to be used more.
It's screwing over artists.
Yea I know I am not to pleased with my ad finally being up and this happening :c. I feel awful for all of the other artist, conventions, fursuit makers, ect who have an ad at this time too!
What's worse was neer just kinda shrugged it off. Said he had plans, that advertisement were possibly temp.
I either misunderstood, or I was lied too. Either way. Sorry about your advertisement. I hope it goes well. :<
I might as well use ad block.
:T But that brings me back to the journal I had about adblock and artists.
FA. Get. Your. Shit. Together.
(really wish I knew of that site before settling on my business name, ugggh, I have to be so careful when verbally giving someone my site name to say "cub, like lion cub")
But yes. FA. Get. Your. Shit. Together. People already equate furries with bestiality and if bestiality ads really are on the site I will have to highly consider leaving because not only is it already immoral but I have an extra sore spot on said topic due to what I mentioned about the site that is "beastcub but add a L"
I think that is another good point.
A lot of artists have their businesses on this site. Some artists, I know do strictly SFW pieces too.
So now, our art, SFW or NOT is associated with this website, one that run trashy ads and possible bestiality ads. People are going to start flocking away from you. People are also going to stop paying for user ran ads.
You seem to be damning yourself, FA. I get it.
"Money needs to be made to make the site better, keep it running."
But you need to find better methods.
THANK YOU SO FREAKING MUCH, I WANTED TO GET LAID. I always wanted adult ads in here because I trust FA and not many other sites, I know FA is letting the safe ads appear in here!!! so HAPPY!!!! SO MADLY HAPPY!!!! *Sarcastic applause*
seriously tho, I never comment on these things but I'm tired of FA doing this badly and no one listens, not a single soul. Oh and guess what our hands are tied and we can't do a thing about it...
.... so... about that weasyl and inkbunny accounts.... I think is time to start filling them up. I never voiced my concern for FA because it was the furry art site I could trust by default. It had its flaws yes but they were bearable.
Now you guys made it... I finally started considering my move to a new website... I can't believe this... mature ads... art might be mature but we don't need porn reminders here... no... just.... JUST NO
We liked the ads the way they were. U get more revenue but it hurts us in the process. Exteranl links slowing load time.
Ended up browsing bitches instead
Thank you.
This, is a damn ART site. Regardless of the nature of it's content, this is a community to share furry art of varying types. Do NOT post human sex ad click bait on our art page. This site is losing it's credibility and you are steadily destroying it.
"go home adult ads your drunk!"
There isn't even a metaphor here for how genuine artistic communities are sullied by their unruly growth and aggressive marketing- this IS the metaphor.
Another example, just for giggles. "Users who find malicious adds can report them...." To be honest at this point the sentence should infuriate people. Honestly, users shouldn't have to tell administration that and ad is laced with malware. A little proactive behavior could save you 1000 headaches here. The stance that was taken by administration about ads with malware is beyond redemption. I can't believe I have to ask, but how many computers need to be trashed before you decide to take an ad off the site? Seriously admins, do a little work before you hurt someone.
I'm not even going to touch how absurd it is that you're advertising adult materials on this website. For crying out loud, have some standards. As someone who's gone to college to get a degree in business, I fully appreciate this website has a need to generate revenue. But anyone will tell you that these needs do not necessitate that an organization toss out its standards so completely.
I sincerely hope that this website can get its act together. It cannot be this hard to make a website function without such serious errors in judgement.
I was getting porn ads on my 3DS, despite the above.
once again, this is dildos.
Be proud t be furry if you feel compelled too.
Be ashamed for associating with FA as it is now, if anything. Move to better places. Don't let people make you think that "FA IS Furry". And if it dose bad things the entity of the fandom will be marred.
That's part of the reasons FA remains and newer, better run, nicer places have not gotten traffic. Break those chains!
People are uncomfortable and disgraced by these ads. No one on this site will click these.Okay, all of these 3rd party ads are malicious, k thx bby.
>But people lose money from that!
No they fucking don't.
I don't know how many times I"ve had to explain this, so for those who don't know, Ad Block doesn't affect revenue. Revenue is only collected when someone clicks on the Ad. If I'm installing Ad Block, chances are I wouldn't click on your ads anyways.
That said, these ads need to go. Not everyone can block them, especially iPhone and probably Windows phone users.
https://getadblock.com/images/dark_banner.png
Its sad that FA makes these stupid decisions without consulting their userbase.
In all honesty, if you were able to run the website where ads only show up one day of the week, I'd click all of them to help with ad revenue as long as the rest of the week had nothing but FA ads.
The stuff coming out of these ads and auto-executing is REALLY nasty, man. I haven't seen ads this malicious since I used to use videogame ROM/warez sites.
I wanna see the artists ads, and so far that's all I've seen, other than the Google ads, which are fine to me.
I do hope they get rid of these though, people HAVE gotten malware from them, and you can't block them on all devices.
OS/2 is probably totally safe tho. Never actually seen anyone use OS/2 in the wild.
I said I'd give the site a chance after it was sold to IMVU, seriously regretting that decision now. GG, FA, GG.
Every one of these IMVU updates has been chipping away at it..
Tho if you count bot accounts, those are inflating at an alarming pace. Had a half dozen watch me just this week. I'm pretty sure I don't have enough content to qualify... XD
Yeah. Blank accounts with no journals/profiles and no activity beyond faving literally every random pic and/or watching an abnormal amount of artists who are unconnected. Signs of a bot.
There are. A LOT.
And the scary thing is I have no idea why. What the hell could they want to accomplish? ...ad spam? WE DON'T NEED HELP WITH THAT, THANKS. XD
It's disgusting and insulting that there are sex ads (most likely have malware/viruses) on an ART WEBSITE.
Regardless of the fact that this website has NSFW artwork, many other sites do... and they don't have sex ads.
So why does furaffinity? Why the incompetence in handling the website and listening to the userbase??
Get your shit together and stop making terrible decisions. (Like the IMVU sell-out decision... that you are already paying for)
the gentle sound of more shit being piled onto shit mountain
Regardless of this being a site for Furries, even through SFW mode. I still have these trying to creep up
So disappointing really. There are so many amazing artists here.
Just because a site contains NSFW content does NOT mean that everyone wants to be bombarded by porn ads. It's pretty disgusting. Not to mention FA is now blatantly and quite happily adding to the horrible stereotype of furries that so many people have. Truly shameful.
I turned off my adblocker for one page load just to see what kind of banner ad would show up, and the very first ad I saw was offensive and unwelcome. This isn't going to improve by pushing back with guidelines on what you consider "acceptable". If you use an ad network that allows advertising of adult content then you will simply chase people away from using FA.
Also found an adult sex ad in the page for creating a new journal. Go figure, it really IS everywhere!
double hooray for adblock!
The ads appear to be gone now (I saw only one and then no more), but do not bring them back ever. There isn't a single person on this site that wants to see any of them.
I'm pretty sure there is something that makes that illegal, and I'm pretty sure someone out there will find it.
Also, pretty fucking hypocritical since community submissions cannot be mature.
In any case, my adblock is on now, and I hate that. But it's not coming off. I'll find another way to find new artists and people to commission.
Everyone with a brain thinks the same way you do, and many of us are just putting up adblock, getting used to using other sites, and treating what happens here like it really doesn't matter anymore. The more people don't care anymore, the better. Best just to not care and not get hurt about it in the end when the administration turns this site into another low-brow site filled with unwanted uncontrolled ads and viruses.
OR
"52 is a little too mature."
Pick one.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIITDJJ.....8wbe.png:large
Ok.
It's like putting vegetarian advertising on a site all about bacon; doesn't make any sense.
It will only get worse from here, like the administration is testing just how far they can go before thousands upon thousands of people start jumping ship.
Might as well remodel my Weasyl account for when moving there becomes permanent.
Thanks to adblock though, I don't see your fucking ads :D
Thanks, Dragoneer/IMVU/Whatever fuckdoll decided this was a good idea!
This is fucking BULLSHIT. Pointless, stupid bullshit.
does that now mean that i am allowed to upload a picture of my booty shaking in a thong? it's only fair
They're glorious, each and every one.
They don't get direct revenue off your submission, do they?
somehow....
YOLO.
Also srs? an animated booty shaking banner? xD this site man. so many lols.
Anything I'd have to say on the matter has already been expressed x100 above. Just... no
But, uh... these new ads are horrible.
I'll admit, I never liked the third party ads in the first place. Back when they first began, I understood the need for revenue to keep this site going, but they ruined the aesthetic and cheapened the look of FA, bringing back memories of personal sites from the late 90's and early 2000's. I had hoped we could have moved past that sort of appearance, but for the sake of keeping the site afloat, I was willing to tolerate them.
Now, however... these NSFW ads? It's beyond unprofessional. It's downright insulting. Aside from the fact these go completely against the site's ToS, not all NSFW submissions on this site are sexual in nature. I've seen some utterly gorgeous submissions that just so happen to have nudity and sex, but without raunchiness. In the same way I've seen brilliantly-made pieces involving adult subject matter like violence, rape, and gore, all painstakingly created for the purpose of telling a gripping, emotional story. And my own work, mature but not adult in nature, is out there as well. To see all of that sharing the same page as porn ads (and tasteless, cheaply-looking porn ads at that) completely destroys whatever the submissions are trying to convey. It snatches the viewer's focus away and makes the whole site out to be one of the gazillions of trashy porn sites out there on the web. Sure, I've seen some trashy submissions here, but at least those are generated by the users!
Worse than that, it's going to drive a huge portion of the userbase to use adblockers, which ultimately harms those who paid to have their own ads displayed on site. Ads that are actually relevant to the fandom and the people occupying this website. Sure, there are measures in place to block only the third-party ads, but most users either won't know about it or won't bother going through the motions and just block everything. And the method to report ads is just too much trouble for a lot of people to go through when blockers are more efficient. Plus, there's the whole issue with ads containing malware and viruses...
I love FA. It's done wonders not only for getting my work out there but also for expanding the connections of this fandom. Moves like this, though? It harms the users more than it will ever harm the sponsor. A corporation can much more easily liquidate whatever isn't profitable and go on to the next big thing, but the users, the people who made this site what it is, will be left behind and forced to go elsewhere to continue their networking and interactions. I don't want FA to wind up crushed by the gravity of a revenue stream - I like being here! Sadly, though, moves like this will harm user confidence.
Please, reconsider these tasteless adult ads. FA doesn't need them and everyone's definitely made it clear they don't want them. I seriously doubt they will help in any fashion.
This is so true.
If we were allowed to pick and choose which categories of ads were displayed, it could help get the ads to people that'll actually click them, and reduce the staff/user friction we've been seeing lately. Personally I'd be happy with just FA native and tech ads, all the other stuff is pretty much wasted on my attention.
FA, the gift that keeps on giving. With a well-lubed glove.
Not to mention the potential for malware/viruses. NO thank you.
Also, why are the tables being stretched?
*mind is mush*
Dang illuminati bs, that is.
When reporting ads, right click the ad and copy the link address. Provide a screenshot (hosted OFF site) and paste the link address, then note it to dragoneer so we can review and filter out ads which may not be in spirit with the site. "
You realize that doesn't work on mobile, right?
Also, what about the folks with SFW on, and still seeing porn ads?
You've got to be a complete idiot to do something like that.
So basically after four months, you've changed the banner, brought some new hardware yet again (cos the old new hardware sitting around gathering dust clearly wasn't good enough) and slapped terrible porn adverts on all the pages? Please do tell us all why even IMVU hasn't realised that you take an age to do anything, wrongly implement it when you do and have abused the communities trust to the point where you have little credibility? After all they're supposed to be paying you now, so updates and other things should be coming a lot faster and a lot more tested than this mess.
You know, the kind of malware that takes a while "doing stuff to your files" before announcing its presence?
... You didn't think this through too good, did you?
That's the best joke I've heard all day.
MINORS can see this crap.
With the staff breaking their own rules, hey! Everyone should join in, right?!
LET'S ALL CHANGE OUR BLOODY ICONS TO GRACEFUL PAIRS OF TITS, DONGERS AND BOOTIES.
Because that's rather light compared to the rape ads, bestiality and all the like you have up there now.
I find them massively uncomfortable and irrelevant to this ART site.
This is complete and utter bullshit.
Remove these ads.
I'm not seeing the new ads.
but i suppose its better than being frozen so bad your glued to the bed under covers shaken and watching netflix all day after day after day after day
Just sayin'
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I'm using the classic theme btw
Suffice to say that I'm using Adblock now, and will continue to do so unless this is undone. I do feel bad for community members who advertise here, since this decision by FA is going to hurt them even more than it annoys/offends the rest of us.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16906456/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16905903/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16906297/
lololol
Hyena I'd like to fuck
R E L E V A N T
Also, I think its about time for a sequel of this and this
the first video almost killed me ahaaaaaahahaha :'D
Now this.
It's just so...tasteless. Harmful, cheap and disgusting. I dunno. I'm really upset about this and about how little the admins seem to just not notice/care.
How do you explain this hugely transphobic thing posted by your new owners?
http://i.imgur.com/2jUMeFx.png
https://www.facebook.com/IMVU/posts.....52954889116186
No words.
But that's not even funny in the slightest.
You know, the fandom with tons of different identities?
I personally am extremely uncomfortable with Furaffinity being run by people who think this is an okay, even funny, thing to post
Yes there's nothing Furaffinity can do, but its still important for users to know who are now in control of us
If FA is supposed to be a website that supports the community, did you guys pay the artist to draw the banner? Or did you get that for free even though you've got corporate funding for the website?
I'm not a chicken little, crying the sky is falling. I AM however pointing out a great number of your artists will not risk being tied to porn sites by the credit card companies or paypal. It is your site, certainly. But presumably you bought the site planning to hold onto the existing viewers and the artists the viewers come here to see. Making any of them leave because you want a few ad bucks is penny wise but pound foolish.
at least one of the admins is concerned with the opinions of the people. lessons should be learned here.
Keep Calm and Stay Classy.
My question is, why weren't you people using Adblock already? It speeds up my browser, like, 200%.
there's also no guarantee that the placement of the ads won't dissuade someone from associating with a user,the site,or even the fandom in general if this is their first look at how furs do things.
it's a bad impression and just hoping that people block the ads isn't a good solution.
At least they wont be able to monetise on it once the big migration happens.
I really hope he listens and goes to talk to IMVU to explain what type of ads are relevant to the people here.
As I'm using Stylish, I haven't tried that fix yet, but it should work for you. I've done similar in the past when blocking certain things with AdBlock while leaving others untouched.
Also this method will keep artist ads unless you specifically modify the file to block them.
Instructions here http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
I keep an updated Hosts file and it's lovely. Only known way to fix Skype's invasive bullshit ads.
Use a host file. Full instructions here http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
That will apply fix to all browsers without needing addons
I don't care what the ads show...the point is WE DO NOT WANT THEM....GET RID OF THEM
I just feel kinda down about the fact FA is probably going to crash and burn and I'll lose track of a ton of people since they will all go their separate ways (assuming they keep doing art at all). This is all the fault of Dragoneer and his greedy butt selling us out like OUR community was his to give away in the first place. I knew this was going to be a bad thing from the start, that's probably why he sold us out without telling us for a few months.
Corporate interest in a fandom or social hub is never good. Sooner or later something better will prop itself up and whoever calling the shots on FA will screw up enough to make the other option look good enough to try... And then the past will repeat itself... Caesar will see a knife in his back while we set this Rome ablaze and let it burn to the ground.
i'm just dieing laughing because after the whole sell-out they promised to be "completely transparent" with us, and now there's this shit XD
Paying to use a site to make a living is unfair
seriously though, apparently people are already getting viruses from FA because of this crap.
i spent too much on my little monster to have her taken down by FA's new slut-machine I MEAN AD SERVICE
Are you SERIOUS?? FA has a Patreon?!
Now what about the kids who proclaim false age on this website? Y'all are so smack-down on kids not even posting nipple-less furries yet here you are auctioning off cock to ''single moms'' across fA and countless other sexual ads.
... yet here they are publishing adult content ads on a website deemed suitable for all ages.
no warnings before hand upon entering, no nothing.
-claps-
i dont get it. what's so hard about ASKING your user-base before making such stupid decisions!?
they're being transparent with us :D thanks for reminding me lmao
Especially considering when YOUR USERS ARE THE ONE WHO MAKE YOUR SITE!!!
We are the ones who PULL YOUR SITE TOGETHER FOR YOU
And this? Is what we get in return I guess.
Thanks Dragoneer.
exactly what i want. viruses on my computer. nice FA, really classy..
and yeah! how the hell do they think they're going to get anywhere by angering their users?! the hell?!
there are more of us than you guys, dude. pipe down lol XD
but i agree with you 100%
my point still stands that they've been lying to us this whole time, the "transparency" they mentioned is still caked with dirt, and i have YET to see any redeeming factor of ANYTHING they've done here within the last 7 months besides making the site "mobile-friendly" and even THAT is iffy, because people still have problems using it.
In Paypal's user terms and agreements, they state that you may NOT use their services for anything adult. So this would be a huge problem if someone involved with Paypal stopped on by and saw the porno ads all over the site.
It's hard to see the site as for-art when there's porn ads everywhere. Paypal is already unhappy with FA in general. If you put FA in your notes or comments via paypal, your account can be suspended and or deleted. It's best to avoid FA now on paypal. Can you imagine if they stop by and see porn ads? : (
some people have had their accounts flagged or frozen in the past for mentioning FA usernames or even furaffinity in general in the notes/comments section of payments
Me: http://i.imgur.com/qwFJqPQ.gifv
This site: http://i.imgur.com/6GufJEd.png
You see us rollin', we hatin'
:/ You're gone, FA.
This is not only a slap in the face to the users of FA who are constantly battling just to have adds taken down, and to the entire furry community.
I have to wonder reading through the comments of this if IMVU and the people in charge are even THINKING about what they are doing before they friggin do it. This is just ridiculous its like you are TRYING to get everyone to leave and give up on FA. Seriously. I ranted here and it's kinda long winded, but the point is this, listen to your userbase, and when you mess up, try to not follow it up with an even bigger, more serious mess up, okay? thats not how you build trust. That's not how you make a positive community. That's how you get people to give up on you, and move on to better websites.
Long comment is long.
I agree FULLY, ESPECIALLY in regards to EMPLOYMENT AND OFF-SITE COMMISSIONS. Especially since most of our artists put WATERMARKS on their pieces, do you really think that if someone likes our work [enough to pay us for it] that they aren't going to want to see more or what we offer? It doesn't take a genius to search the watermark we place right there, and we shouldn't have to deny any possible customers or employers viewing rights to our [or the] works they're about to pay money for simply because FA decided to throw a bunch of overly vulgar ads on their site that we now have to do everything in our power to avoid and keep from peering eyes [around households, too! Can't be personal anymore if you've got your computer out in the LIVING ROOM OR ANYTHING] in order to save our own business.
Thanks for ruining any future works, commissions or employment options we could have had in the future, FA.
Thanks for ruining the success that brought you success.
This is the thanks we get, guys! We lose our computers to malware, our privacy, our comfort, our viewing options and rights, any possible employment, and our reputation as the furry fandom is the cherry on top of it all.
FA seems comfortable and more than willing to break their own site rules
but god forbid any of the users do! or ask for help in resolving issues!
I can't help but laugh because I have a trouble ticket about Art Theft [and the artist is still active and stealing] that hasn't been answered in AN ENTIRE YEAR. But they can update their ad system with vulgar porn and sex soliciting?
I can see exactly where all of FA's priorities lie. moneymoneyMONEY !!!
But yeah, this was a deliberate breaking of their own rules.
And then people get banned for raising concerns.
Seems like FA is going downhill even more :c
They don't come here to see advertisements for MILF Hunter sites, or "Sexy Skanks 3.4 miles from you, click here now!" junk.
Your user base will not stand for, or accept these kind of intrusive, human/real pornographic advertisements. Most users still are less then thrilled that something as pointless and dull as, basically, a teenybopper dress up 3D chat simulator owns this site, but to keep throwing intrusive, creepy, often crappy advertisements in their face is just pouring salt in to the wound.
The more you shove these unacceptable and horrible advertisements down the throats of an already unhappy user base, the more they will scream, and the more they will fight back
They will fight back with Ad Block Plus, and other Ad Blocking software. Personally, I have been running Ad Blocking software for a long time now, regardless of what site I am viewing at the time. I believe I should have the freedom to chose what I am viewing on my screen, and to not have it cluttered with intrusive advertisements that are, in all essence of the word, irrelevant to any of my interests.
they just showed up to anyone on any page.
I'm sorry, but if this garbage goes any further south we're going to be hitting a nuclear waste dump.
I specifically use the "I want to block third-party ads quickly and don't mind installing another extension" section, works like a charm! <3
Is it just like.... a sore that we get used to that's not bad enough to go to the doctor to get checked out and cured so we just live with it?
This is *our* community.
Really bums me out when we're all 'Nope, we're not all about sex, porn, yiffing etc' but thennnnn on the main hub site on the internet... this happens and our best answer is...
AD BLOCK.
*frazzled*
Yah it's our community, but we have no control over what FA does.
And no one freaking leaves FA, because it's where all their revenue and traffic comes from (myself included).
Thing is...commission artists like myself have no choice. DA is too vast to get noticed, Weasyl is pretty, but a wasteland, SoFurry is a bit too...risque...for most peoples' tastes, and Inkbunny is full of cub porn and pedos, and FA rejects.
There's really nowhere else to go that has the traffic FA does. Now...if everyone decided to up and leave and move to Weasyl, all at once, especially popular users and artists, then their watchers would follow suit, and maybe we could ditch this shit hole.
But it'll never happen.
Please remove these ads for others -- just because someone is okay with seeing drawn porn, doesn't mean they want to see irl nudity (myself, included). What's more, it has always been against your ToS to upload pornographic photography. This is very hypocritical and just... gross, tbh.
While I'm glad it looks like you are making an effort to fix things, please follow through and actually do so.
Anyway, I merely wanted to add my support to the outcry to remove the adult ads. Thank you for your time!
I'll just be blunt. Don't. Do. That!
Hope people aren't wasting their time.
HOW FITTING
and no Melissa, i will not accept your fuck request
pardon me while i reenable adblock plus site-wide, including user ads
Yeah okay.
The morally correct thing to do would be to refuse to implement this policy and resign from your position at IMVU in protest of it. I'm actually surprised and saddened you went along with this.
with love and transparency,
feral fender
And as I've already mentioned a few times, I'm pretty sure the next step is to offer premium membership to users.
Oh and the banner looks nice too. Finally
... or, I would have, before the site was bought by IMVU. I'm not saying the stupid porn ads would have made IMVU any money anyway, as, frankly, the expected result of throwing ads in was that the largely tech-savvy userbase here would be adblocking the living fuck out of them. But IMVU would shoot down any suggestion of making premium accounts without ads, I'm sure... and to be quite honest, I'd have previously been just fine with a yearly fee to help fund a site I use so much, even as a non-artist, when it was not some corporate bullshit.
At this point, FA has basically taken a role as some faceless corporation's money sponge. They're gonna squeeze all they can out of it, then let it wither up into a dried up husk. I realize that selling the site was Dragoneer's "only option" at the time, and I was willing to give this a chance, and at this point, I'll be honest, I still like the site, I'll still keep using it, and I haven't actually seen any of the offending ads due to NoScript blocking the Google ads, and AdBlock otherwise off on FA.
Anyway, my entire point here is... a premium account system would only serve to line the IMVU overlords' pockets. If such a system had been implimented a few years back, when people originally started pushing for it, then the money would have possibly gone into the site, and could have helped provide Dragoneer with his "full time dream job" of running FA. So now that FA won't make IMVU the money they want, I can guarantee its days are numbered.
And maybe this is a little too optimistic but maybe sometime in the future, like when the beta is finally finished and ready, things will get way better.
But that's again, being a bit too optimistic.
*then proceeds to add RL porn ads on the site*
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Low hanging fruit, but damn it's relevant.
Please, take a time and reflect before making changes.
And don't treat your users condescendingly.
You have to explain the rules because they are not clear, full of holes and double-standards.
Can we all agree that ads won't give the revenue IMVU expects and also stay true to the site, it's contents and rules?
Question is, what happens now?
People are stuck in the misplaced notion that they are dependent on this one site waiting for someone else to make the first move especially popular artists when they truly are not actually dependent and could easily move to new ground if they just abandoned the myth and they still would get a majority of their following.
People see the danger coming but they still will never act till they are shocked into the reality of the situation when the plug is pulled on FA and as such their source of income here if they didnt play on prevention. And that is most certainly to happen soon so long the community is held in corporate hands.
FA pretty much as of today has cut off its only source of income with this rediculous stunt with nsfw ads
Everybody was complaining.
And yes, there were also people going "ughh, users bitch for everything! nothing is going to change anyway!"
But, guess what happened? FA admins realized it was a dumb move and decided to listen to the users who complained a lot. ;)
It does help to make your voice heard, and it's just to be expected that people will be upset.
Is it really that bad to see porn advertisements when a lot of the artwork here is of adult/sexual nature?
For others like me:
YES.
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When I browse around fA, no matter what the content is; general, cute, action, consensual sex, rape, scat, watersports, macro, micro, blood, gore, human, anthro, feral, alien, male female, herm, whatever ect. IT'S JUST ART. It's a drawing. It's fantasy. Even if there is something I don't care for, it's not real.
Porn, on the other hand, I find absolutely disgusting. I have absolutely NO desire, whatsoever, to see IRL humans getting it on with each other. Art is one thing, that's okay, but seeing the real thing is something I have some serious problems with, and I don't want that to be flashed in front of my eyes, ESPECIALLY without my consent.
Yes I'm married, and no I'm not a virgin, so it's not something I have 'virgin eyes' with seeing.
I like furry art. I like drawing it, seeing it, and buying it; but I have some severe disagreements with sexual content that is NOT of the hand drawn art variety.
Someone please send me a link to a safe downloadable program that will let me block the unsavory adds while still allowing me to see the local furry adds.
I hear 'Ghostly' or something is very reliable?
BTW: I'm pretty sure I've gotten a virus of some kind when I've accidentally clicked on one of the adds here. Had it for a couple of weeks before the husband was able to fix it for me. >:/
https://www.ghostery.com/
I'm just sorry you didn't use the banner I made for you on Springtime. Oh, well. Better luck by Fall.
Good job.
You know you done fucked up when antivirus programs classify you in the same place as illegal warez sites.
And seriously FA? Porn ads? Seriously?
This is getting worse since SourceForge becoming a dick and Selz removing adult comics...
I'm still having aneurysms.
Im about to complete my first artbook and thought of promoting it here, but more and more are jumping on adblock.
Since the book would have contained furry related content I was gonna buy ad space here.
Feel like it would be waste of my cash now sadly. : /
Yet there I dont know any place to go to...
I was hoping on it to help me sale so maybe I could make some cash and move out.
Since living with my familly been bad lately( for the last few years). And with my sexual preference it doesnt help my case neither.
I want this website to stay up, so I figured I'd deal with the ads.
I won't try to pretend that my viewing habits on this website are innocent in any way, but you want to know something?
I don't want to see porn ads constantly when I hop on the homepage. Just because I come to a website that has its reputation being thrown down the toilet in a steady stream doesn't mean that I want it to shove me advertisements for porn.
Also, I've actually heard a couple people complain that they've gotten viruses from them. That's bullshit.
So needless to day.. Adblock is going back up, and is staying up. Indefinitely. That is, of course, assuming that this site doesn't become intolerable within a couple days, because it's already pretty damned close. I'm ashamed of even saying I come to this website any more because of the reputation it has.
Way to completely fuck up the largest website for the furry community. Way to fucking go. *Insert slow clap here*
Anyone know of a decent alternative website other than SoFurry? Or if Inkbunny's reputation for their... material is still just as true as it used to be? Because I'd love to go to a website that has a community I'm not embarrassed about and don't have to worry about cub porn being shoved in my face.
Weasyl, tumblr, DA, Inkbunny...
Tumblr? I'd rather avoid the drama that comes with it. I always end up finding it all.
DA? I'll.. avoid that. I don't think I need to say why.
Inkbunny... I'd rather avoid having my screen full of cubs. >.>
Time to look at what Weasyl is like.
The thing is, it will remain like that until more people move there
=]
Also, the main page seems to be more visually appealing when I log-in. (Less random junk uploads)
The only downside is that the literature and multimedia tab is in an odd spot
(but you can just choose "Browse Everything" in the recent uploads section anyway)
But either way, it's now time to close this account and never come back. I refuse to even associate with a website that's gotten this bad. Again, my usage is anything but innocent, but I don't want porn ads and viruses everywhere.
It's like, iPod versus Zune vs. literally everything that isn't a Zune. The Zune loses every time. Inkbunny's the iPod.
And no ads!
I thought this site was for furries, funded by furries.. D: Only thing I see one google ad... but three +
and you get money when ever someone clicks on it, correct? If that is the case, then it is kind of pointless to have now, since most of everyone here is using Adblocker and some ads give malware when viewed... Only thing I see these "ads" now, is just a waste of code and people's bandwidth. :v
Don't want virus on my phone and before someone says "get Adblocker on your phone" I had it, but all it did was killed other apps for some weird reason. xD
WHO ELSE LOVES SPAGHETTI?
May be the 'George W. Bush' conundrum. Is he just an incompetent boob, or is he actively destroying the place?
Oh all for hoping that he gives a shit, but look at this, every waking moment while he owned this place he was criticized with some factual, but mostly overly glorified BS, so why would he care anymore. For one its still happening to him. Im sure he said fuck it at some point and this is the "payback."
It would fell kinda like one of these dark shady alleys where you dont really wanna go because you think it wouldn't end good.
The google ads I ignored because they aren't a big deal.
Sleezy porn site ads? The type that is scummy at best and malware infested at worst? lol no, I just downloaded and enabled adblock to get rid of all ads on FA.
Guess this backfired, eh?
http://youtu.be/0ez-MZ6wzVQ
http://youtu.be/9o19CaOSuD8
http://youtu.be/im_5QdHp04E
It's unanimous...get rid of these ads...totally. Not pruned...eliminated..never to return. Show some class, that standards still matter on what was a shining beacon for community and for the furry art world.
This has permanently damaged artist ad views in the process. Trust in keeping the users safe from malicious code in the ads has been eroded. The controlling ad department has, by these ads, shown this site, its users, and its community seemingly no care, and has also seemingly not kept it at arm's length as promised, to be best run by those who know the community which it serves. Wasn't that a part of this to make it a better fit? Has that been forgotten so quickly?
Let not FA's artists, fans of art, or casual guests, be lumped in with ads for actual sex sites. That is not art. That is not why we are here. That is not why FA thrived and became popular...became the hub it did. The distinct lack of that drew users...it drew this user!
People are saying they're ashamed to show their galleries to others now, because of these porn site ads.
They're ashamed to show their talents on FA.
How does that ring for PR?
An artistic nude...a couples scene of tenderness and love...gets a pornographic ad defacing it. The artists get no choice in allowing it...it's there...associated with their art...their profile...their business...their name.
...tainted.
Are these ads worth the price? Is art secondary now? Is it worth having the user experience cheapened and sullied?
The money they create is nothing but filthy, tainted lucre. The community is appalled, disgusted, and in unanimity against this.
Please...Try to restore some of the shredded faith in the direction of this site...and think about this. Paid accounts or per view or upload or whatever will kill this site. Maybe not instantly, as some might trust their credit card number to this...but most will not.
You know the predictions made for FA. Don't make them a roadmap to its destruction.
I'd started out humorous...but I just can't laugh. I've lost my smile here...on a site I truly enjoyed checking out art from wonderful, talented people, chatting with friends, forming bonds...becoming part of a community!
Instead I leave an impassioned plea...one which may or may not fall on deaf ears, or be swept away in a current of undertow which threatens everything people like about this place...
Don't let that be destroyed.
*takes a bow and steps back into the audience, waiting to see what happens next like everyone else*
The ticklefingers are beckoning.
F*** the world.
This is a community with a lot of gay furries, and RL porn is illegal?
So FA decides to put up adds of RL, human females?
Man.
Fake ads are dumb.
*given that someone will provide those 20 horses...
Don't give them any ideas! Do you even know how hard it is to find 20 horses?!
Don't worry, we'll have 20 by the end of the week.
What the hell did i got myself into >>
Or do I have no choice in the matter, so if I won't come on my own I'd be bagged and shipped over to Oklahoma or something ?
also wanna whine about Adblock? well guess what. allowing ads from google is exactly the kind of thing that makes users hit that faster than a cat after a mouse.
Stop these Ads from google and stop with the adult ads that are laced with Viruses.
and to anyone paying the 1 Month: $25, 6,Months: $125, 12 Months: $250 a month to put their ads on the site. yeah. I'd advise against it. since absolutely NO ONE will see them due to everyone using adblock.
People can and will get false positives and I see you've ALREADY gotten ads that "violated the limitations".
Besides, porn ads are virus carriers deluxe, all that will do is drive everyone towards adblock and rightfully so.
Furry is art?
http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif
But we were ALL told that the site would remain the same. Just shows how well our opinion matters :/
FA has been a place for community but nothing more. It's perhaps the least desirable in terms of functionality, moderation staff, and social features, and yet it has the single largest furry user base on the entire internet. It's popular because it's popular. Like the "cool kids" in highschool. Now, I can't log in without feeling a bit of disdain for this site, even before this whole ad fiasco. Ridiculous downtimes, excessive flood protection, no bulk uploads, no sorting systems, buggy mobile support... It's just not fun to use. A website I use shouldn't be something I do so begrudgingly!
One of three things will happen. One, the site fixes its shortcomings and everyone lives happily ever after, very unlikely. Two, Everyone demands change, blocks their terrible ads, and/or has an exodus, deems FA as a deplorable alternative to better sites and it dies out, also somewhat unlikely. Or three, It continues to get worse, we sit and take it with a grumble and never get what we deserve as a supporting community. This sadly seems the most likely, and if anything happens, it'll just be a muted whimper of a movement unless people rally for something of a greater cause.
As it stands, this site is almost like an online furry North Korea. Paid artists'll get figuratively shot in the wallet if they leave their user base behind, the owners are turning a blind eye to everyone's legitimate complaints, and everyone who can leave are scared of change. We're all miserable, but at least we're miserable TOGETHER, RIGHT? /s
As for myself, I'm going to stay, adblocker on. We still have some control of what'll happen in the future, but once that's gone, I can safely say I will be too and I hope others follow.
I nuked my gallery the very hour the IMVU buy out was announced and wish I had done it sooner.
I guess there really are intelligent furs!
We are not your beta testing interns for this site; determining whether these "adult" ads are safe or not for your audience is something your staff should have had the foresight to screen well before even making the update push. If these people cannot do their own jobs, then they need to step down and make way for someone who can. Nevermind the entire controversy over the NSFW ads, simply having completely unsafe content means you are making your website and yourselves liable for any and all mishaps caused by your own neglectance.
I can put up with a lot of different shenanigans, but I draw the line at one's failure to preserve the privacy and safety of their end-users (which the existence of these new 'ads' endanger). If this is what we can expect from you guys in the future then I daresay that this is the bus-stop I get off at. I have no problems moving to weasly, Inkbunny, SoFurry, or even back to devART if that means not having to risk my own safety because of your carelessness.
"I can tolerate your treachery, but NOT YOUR INCOMPETENCE."
lol this popped up for me
But remember everyone he cares about everyone on the site and doesn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable using the site.
of a few sites I did not use a blocker on. That's not the true anymore. Turned on blocking almost as soon as I started getting
adds for pick up trucks, shaving razors, personal water craft, and a on line used camera site. SO i did not see any porn ads yet.
Now with more "mature content ads" showing up, more FA users will start blocking the ads, The more ads that get blocked, the
more artists will see less and less results, and with that will stop buying ads. With less artist ad sales, the less money FA will be
making, also more porn ads will mean less users as well meaning even less people will be seeing the ads. Unless something changes
FA will be a shell of itself in a year or so, and will be blacklisted by most of the the screening services as an adult porn site. I
stopped posting and started moving content when the Sale was announced, but stopped moving and started to post again. NOW this,
and I think its time to restart my relocation efforts again :(
"Are the good times really over for good?"
Here's a suggestion, do with it what you will.
Put the advertisement at the bottom of the page and put the comment box in its place, at the top.
Now for the topic;
I have my rating filter set on general only but I still see the mature art in the user advertisements.
So either way, there's still sexual content. Either Google ads or user ads.
Instead of calling it "Safe For Work" it should be called "Safe For Children" or "Kids"
Because I'm sure there's plenty of young girls and boys who look at this site.
This is a great site but there's still a bit of work that needs to be done.
In future, you should really consider making a forum post or a news post with a straw poll asking if people are even okay with the mature ads in the first place. Because so far the resounding answer is a big fat 'no' on that front, judging by the reaction here and the journals strewn about the site. In the meantime, I'll be following everyone that's moving to Weasyl on the off chance that I'll gather enough for a reason to leave the site as a whole.
To quote an old Australian adage; "Not happy, Jan!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akt3P8ltLM
Maybe instead of relying on us to sort out your mistakes, you could change ad providers and not run porn ads, since your current one is so god damn disease ridden. You've really broken a lot of trust by letting loose a penis encrusted typhoid mary onto the site. Was this mandated by IMVU?
I mean, honestly, the 'flood protection', the selling of the site without our knowledge, the placing of adverts literally everywhere, and now fucking porn adverts? Are you trying to destroy the site?
When I came here I would occasionally click on artist ads to see if I might find another creative mind whose art I can enjoy.
Then IMVU bought this site and the first IMVU ads began to appear. At that point I didn't think much of it because I could still ignore them as it was just one ad out of five or so which was related to IMVU. But today I logged on to FA and my mood plummeted. Not only are more than half the ads not even remotely furry-related, now.. there is also a bunch of plain porn-ads on the site I had been enjoying up to the present day.
I doubt Dragoneer is going to read this anyway, but I am writing this regardless.
I am going to wait 48 hours to see if these porn-ads disappear. After that I am going to leave and look for another place to converse with furries - WITHOUT PORN-ADS annoying the hell out of me.
I half expect these to be brushed off as "simple mistakes" when the reality is they're testing the water to see how much they can get away with and then replace it with something that's intrusive and awful but -slightly- less so. Sidebar ads disappeared quickly and were traded down for ads between submissions and comments. We'll see the SEXY PORN YOUTUBEs disappear and we'll instead have effectively google ads all over the site and be expected to accept them because its not as bad.
We've replaced losing features for them to be gradually returned (search, commission info, thumbnails) for advertisement revenue focus testing.
"Well, the sale happened a while ago and nothing bad happened so expect more of the same" we were told. Yeah, well, now we know what to actually expect.
"They're testing the water to see how much they can get away with"
I can tell a lot of people are most likely going to be leaving the site because of how downhill it's going now, and quite frankly I most likely will be myself, I'm sorry FA but I'd rather not have malicious sex ads popping up whenever I view anything now.
Also to anyone that would like to block these 3rd party ads without blocking the artist ads,
Now I don't know if the ads here get their money by just being there and people visiting FA (that is that the Ads still get their 'clicks' by me even if I have an AdBlocker for the ads are still there only I can't see them) so FA get money with malware adult ads ... of if these are ads that you really need to click on to 'make' some money.
All in all I still think there could've been so much better options than this but the more I read here and see what's getting done to FA I'm more and more happy to not really need FA for making at least a bit of money with my art
Also it's not like I can blend out the ads with the AdBlocker and still use FA like before, I just don't like the politics of Dragoneer/IMVU/all the other stuff that has happened the last few months, starting with so called more transparency and we were told months after the deal that FA has been sold to all the "FA will stay the same, IMVU just wants to help." like, yeah, a company will help the artsite of some sort of subculture just like this without making any profit of it, when there had been a lot of offers to help FA from within (meaning Furries wanted to spend a lot of money on FA but were declined by Dragoneer because he didn't want FA to change at all...well, now FA is changing more and more into a direction we probably never had when other furries had bought FA (I'm sorry for I've forgotten the name of the one who wanted to do it))
Oh and I also thought that human porn wasn't allowed on this site, funny thing that porn ads are okay and that they are indeed visible even if your account is set to SFW o,o funny little world.
...why are they an alternative?
You see, if America separates cubporn from childporn (two ways of spelling the same word) based on race/species, that sends a strange message IMO. :l
ALSO in about a month when they switch it up again we'll have to figure out another work around. I would really just rather hit a button once. If I hear the adult ads are all gone I'll shut it off but with their malware which hit my computer twice in about a 1 hour span where my computer was freaking out I don't find enough new artists to watch from the ads anymore (maybe a year ago?) to justify the risk of them figuring out another workaround to 3rd party ads being blocked so all ads it is.
How is this helping FA exactly? I haven't seen any other noticeable changes since IMVU bought FA. Heck,these ads aren't even relevant to furries.
Hits enter
Norton dies from a stress-induced heart attack
Nopes the heck out of here on the back button.
10/10 would post joke comment again.
Also, even though they said that the ads would be restricted, I still notice how often the ad space appears, then vanishes...and I know FA just tried to put another sex ad there.
I don't want to but after that I'm turning ad-block on until this crap is gone. NO ONE wants it here except you guys, and that's just for money.
Since when do you guys care about money more than the community (Oh wait what am I saying?), which is protesting the ads so hard they should have been taken down by now? Porn posted or not, this is a furry art site. If you want mature ads, let the artists make them.
People are turning on ad block left and right, and that hurts the furry artists who buy ad space here. I am not buying more ad space here until those gross ads are gone. It may not make a difference to you, but I don't care. I don't see the point in buying ad space if everyone is using ad block.
Be considerate, people.
...Trying to figure out a way to say that that's not rude to the people who are into that stuff, but ?????
I agree that people need to have a right to not see ads that bother them. Especially because that defeats the purpose of an ad in the first place.
I live off the income I make from this site, and I really do like this site more than the alternative galleries. However it's becoming harder and harder for me to justify staying and I really want to. Please at least reconsider.
this!
Plus I like seeing ads for artists on the site, I've found some really great artists through them and the one time I've been able to post an ad for myself it was well worth it.
I'm really disappointed in this move, I hope they reconsider as well. :(
I love FA. I really do. It's been my home on the internet for quite some time. I just can't in good conscience focus my efforts on a site that allows mature ads. I may draw porn, but even still, I'm made incredibly comfortable with those ads. I didn't want to use AdBlock on FA, and honestly? I sincerely hope that ad revenue has dropped significantly since the implementation of mature ads, and that sends a clear message to the FA admins, or more likely their bosses at IMVU, that mature ads are 100% unwelcome on this site.
Not to mention every single ad displayed to me is either A: 100% irrelevant (to me), or B: In a language I don't speak or care about.
So the new UI is going to be built around ads, huh?
how about:
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOUR ADS
FUCK IMVU
FUCK IMVU'S CEO
FUCK DRAGONEER FOR DOING THIS SHIT TO US AND SELLING US OUT
FUCK THIS WEBSITE
FUCK EVERYTHING
NOT. A. SINGLE. PERSON. LIKES. THESE. ADULT. ADS
I'm not interested in ads in general, but I really don't care if they exist or not. I use plenty of other advertising supported websites.
This change has made user based ads near worthless, as not everyone will want to go that extra step to view them, while blocking everything else.
I personally won't be going anywhere, as I think FA is a great community of people. I just hope that the Mods will listen to the community backlash on these ads and scale it back.
On a side note: Nice new banner Nightlinez! :3
Leaving for Weasyl. Dragoneer can suck my dick, and so can IMVU. Porn ads on FA is an obvious breaking of ToS, and I'll not use a website run by hypocrites and fucking furfag sellout perverts.
You are saying this on what is considered by many already to be a porn site.
Repost this shiz ^
This sortof hypocrisy is going knock over your castle Neery so I suggest you take heed.
If an admin in his right mind makes the decision to subject his userbase to THIS, to have little to no regard whatsoever for the safety of all the users here, and lower what's left of this site's reputation to the level of any other "free porn" hub, there's hardly anything anyone could do to reverse that, for even if he comes back to his senses and realizes that this is a mistake of astronomical proportions, he proved well by now that this is the direction he flows in with his current and previous actions. You can steer him once, you can steer him twice, you can appoint a "steering committee" to scream at him every time he's off-track, but you'll still end up with "features" here that benefit the site and its new owners at the expense of your security, your privacy, your patience, and be it necessary, turn the entire Furry Fandom into yet another fetish among the categories you can find on a common porn site.
So go ahead: bring forth the ads!
I doubt a petition that isn't representative of the user base will have much sway.
The point is, reguardless of whether I thought it'd do any good, i spared the twenty seconds to sign the thing, and if you care about the issue, perhaps you should as well.
No, I'm saying it should be representative, that given goal number of signatures isn't sufficient in my opinion.
What does your experience tell you when they reduced the goal from 10,000 to 5,000 signatures?
That's unfortunate.
> The petition doesn't cut off when the goal is reached
As I understand petitions, this is normally the cut off goal when they trigger sending the petition it self. Unless there is an overwhelming amount of support in a short time span, it can be easily considered the cut off point. Sending a petition early with an underwhelming number generally ends up ignored.
Whatever smart ass.
I see your point, I don't typically mess with petitions unless it's for something important and in such cases I observe that petition goals rise as subsequent goals are met. Perhaps if only a few signatures are aquired in a short time, that will be it, but at leat I can say I tried to help keep my favorite artists from leaving the site.
No offence was intended by that post.
> but at leat I can say I tried to help keep my favorite artists from leaving the site.
As this conversations continues, I've realized petitions are like a parallel to Facebook likes rather than action. They might be useful for feedback, but in my opinion, it would take a sizeable portion the user base to be considered useful feedback. Saying you tried to do something by clicking 'like' or 'signing' something seems much like the linked image to me.
Now, on the basis of these differences; these ads can lead to serious viruses. The art posted here can not do that.
-The filtering of these ads did not work on launch and still presented adult ads on non-adult areas, even with SFW mode enabled and age restrictions
-The adult ads are a clear violation of the site's ToS
The issue isn't just a bunch of people whining about ads being annoying, it's an issue of legality and responsibility. Not to mention it gives a poor perspective of the community to outsiders, as if we weren't regarded as complete perverts before.
Also, 90% is a huge exaggeration.
Dude, you have no bloody idea of what you are talking about, porn ads still show to tons of people on simply galleries, safe for work images, AND EVEN WHEN THE SFW FILTER IS TURNED ON
Also, some of those ads also advertise rape porn which well... makes quite some people uncomfortable, specially those that have gone through the real thing.
> https://www.furaffinity.net/view/13293514
reminder that mature and adult on that chart includes gore too, not just porn
Not all malware ads require you to click them. Just them loading on the page is enough to execute code to deploy their payload.
"infections delivered through malvertising [do] not require any user action (like clicking) to compromise the system and it does not exploit any vulnerabilities on the website or the server it is hosted from”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvertising
What I am not comfortable with, however, are these tasteless, spammy porn ads. I am not comfortable with my artwork essentially making money for these people, whose ethics include encouraging cheating on spouses, touting hardcore rape porn and infecting users' systems with all manner of malware. I may run ad blocking software, but other people who are viewing my art are now viewing it alongside these trashy ads - it brings the entire tone of the site way down from "furry art community" to "shitty virus-laden porn site".
For now I am leaving my gallery intact, but will not be uploading further work here until this is resolved. I am removing links I had to FA from my Facebook etc, because I do not want people seeing my art associated with this kind of content. But if this kind of "adult advertisement" is not removed from the site I will be removing my content. Not that I mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I have been active here for 10 years and it saddens me to see the site move in this direction - to put it politely.
I feel full on porn advertising is entirely inappropriate for FurAffinity. I find it offensive. I feel it is a negative statement of association for furry art the the furry community in general.
AdBlock software is not an appropriate answer. It is the equivalent of not watching the news to avoid being upset by it.
Is family appropriate advertising not profitable enough alone? How much more revenue does adult content advertising generate? Surely when the concept of adult advertising on FA was mentioned, the potential backlash from the userbase was also part of the conversation. How much backlash does it take? This sidebar is gross.
Any thing but adult advertising which is the most common type to be infected with malware and virus would have been fine. Sure others would have objected and whined some but would have blown over. These ones though are defiantly unacceptable and have to agree AdBlock is a workaround or band-aid, not a solution.
If in house advertising was not enough another option they could have probably looked into was something like IB's system of donations giving perks/badge.
What makes them SJW? Id like to know. No sarcasm btw
I post on Tumblr too, and I know what you mean by SJW. I guess I didnt notice on Weasyl since I dont watch anyone.
Ive noticed it here A LOT on FA too, I cut down a lot on who I watch due to "Men are (insert dog reference or how bad they are here)" or "When will white people learn", "Feminism isthe bes tthing eva!11!" and my favourite!
"Minorities cant be racist/sexist/insulting!"
Sorry to hear you had such a bad time :<
But yes, alot of the bad SJW's made their way there unfortunately
ahhhh ignorance must be bliss
Sure some people might want to slap on ad block and ignore everything, but others who actually want to see this site TRY and get better and it to be known that the majority of people are not pleased with how things are going. An art site is supposed to be a community so its bullshit when admins start ignoring us.
http://i.imgur.com/fmucA5Q.gifv
Also I'm not liable to release my friends/watchers names to a stranger on the internet, unless you decide to pay up first :)
http://i.imgur.com/gy9NQBo.gifv
Welcome! Allow me to hopefully change your opinion in the coming days, as I have with most of the others!
I don't hate the idea of ads, but at least the on-site ones are decent, easily moderated, and actually relevant to me. The others... not so much.
Why must internet ads have to be so crappy 99% of the time?
All the ads you're showing are bullshit mysoginystic porn ads
Maybe you should bring an ad network that does those specific requirements you have and has comparable pricing to what they currently have to FA's staff attention. I believe the issue here is that these things you want, simply don't exist as an option.
If you allowed mature users ads, I can see that being pretty popular and I can see that coaxing some people out of using Ad Blocking software... instead, you go with ads that make FA look like one of those cheap ass download sites..
It seems like FA is desperately trying to milk as much Ad revenue as possible without considering the impact it has on the community not to mention the aesthetic of the site. Honestly, it seems like there's more effort being put into monetization than actual updates that users have been wanting.
Ads MAY NOT flash, blink, rapidly scroll or contain adult adult content.
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....vertising.html
They do not allow ad's that have mature content in the ad it's self. Unless you are referring to linking to adult places and in that case it's still wrong because I've gotten Hardblush ad's on SFW lol.
thats IF they following FA's rating system where straight up porn is a no but mature rating stuff would be the mature ads that would show up for those that have mature/adult allowed.
Also it doesn't seem that code is working right for anyone so a 16 year old could see something really inappropriate by just clicking a perfectly SFW image. Way to keep classy FA. Way to keep classy.
They know exactly how much thanks to Google Analytics, which makes it trivial to optimize the site to provide maximum profit and what causes unacceptable bounce rates.
If a website is serving up adverts that contain malware, they will land on URL blacklists that popular browsers use to validate malware sites and end up blacklisted from search results. In turn, browsers will actually prevent you from loading the pages, search engines will refuse to index. That hasn't happened, which leads me to be sceptical of your claims.
> destroying their computer.
Which malware are you referring to that 'destroys' computers? This question can be satisfied with a virustotal link to the malware which doesn't require you to provide details on your part then.
> Just asking for trouble from angry parents if you ask me.
I haven't seen any real action from parents for as long as I can remember, I'm personally not worried about this 'trouble'.
> Not to mention the fact that they make the site look like a virus site in general.
"A virus site in general", not sure what you mean, this doesn't look much different from the wikipedia or stackexchange clones that fill Google's search results which still provide relevant information.
As for malware destroying your computer, no it actually can't do that but a lot of viruses that are attached to these things can. Just how many of these malware ladden ads do you see on wikipedia?
Also, just because it hasn't happened in a long while doesn't mean it won't especially when junior shows mom a certain ad and asks what it is... If they don't take any legal action, I can bet that they reported the site at least...
Also I highly doubt wiki has ads that say 'Meet fuckbuddies in your area NOW!' It just makes the site look very tacky and less reputable.
So, can you
> As for malware destroying your computer, no it actually can't do that but a lot of viruses that are attached to these things can.
Oh okay, which viruses are you referring to that 'destroys' computers? This question can be satisfied with a virustotal link to the malware which doesn't require you to provide details on your part then.
> Just how many of these malware ladden ads do you see on wikipedia?
Wikipedia isn't funded by advertising, but plenty of wikipedia and stack exchange clones are, and the ads are very similar to the ones I see on FA.
> Also, just because it hasn't happened in a long while doesn't mean it won't especially when junior shows mom a certain ad and asks what it is... If they don't take any legal action, I can bet that they reported the site at least...
I don't see a problem.
> Also I highly doubt wiki has ads that say 'Meet fuckbuddies in your area NOW!' It just makes the site look very tacky and less reputable.
I've seen that on wikipedia and stackexchange clone websites before.
And I know you aren't too concerned but just wait, it only takes time and a lot of people. From what I've heard around the site these porn ads are popping up in inappropriate places, which kinda makes it hard for others to conduct business. Somebody tried to show off their clean work to their grandma and got a glowing red banner on their Safe For Work page advertising porn. They were ashamed to even be on the site at that point. How many actual, reputable artists do you think will stick around because of that?
> Secondly you can't tell me that they don't have viruses that kill computers mkay.
I didn't deny their existence, I asked for identification. Because, I some how doubt this is a new occurrence of CIH and the payloads of malware these days are not to destroy systems.
> No, he didn't have put any info in either, he just clicked them and poof. Yeah those other clone sites may have third party porn sites but the actual sites themselves do NOT! Ever wonder why?
No, I don't wonder why. The clones are just screen scrapers, database dumps of Wikipedia in a quick get rich scheme using SEO. Certain well paying ad networks refuse to do business with such entities for a variety reasons, leaving the more 'liberal' ad networks that do not pay as well. When it comes to more 'liberal' ad networks that accept various unwanted subject matter, your choices are not limited, but the options out there don't offer much variety.
> And I know you aren't too concerned but just wait, it only takes time and a lot of people. From what I've heard around the site these porn ads are popping up in inappropriate places, which kinda makes it hard for others to conduct business. Somebody tried to show off their clean work to their grandma and got a glowing red banner on their Safe For Work page advertising porn. They were ashamed to even be on the site at that point. How many actual, reputable artists do you think will stick around because of that?
Since you asked, I'm guessing 106 will leave over that specific sort of situation in the next ten years. This is obviously not counting people leaving for a variety reasons.
It's done, game over, sorry guys. 'Neer NEVER undoes anything $$$ wise. :)
It's very likely they'll go back on this one... eventually, just to get it replaced with another, most likely horrible, replacement.
Fucking disgusting.
Gross.
FA I may be new here but I am already highly dissapointed in these actions, you may loose part of your user base from this if you haven't already from the past drama within your staff.
Congrats, FA. this will probably lose you money in the short run.
Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit Has blocked An exploit attempt
Also malicious website blocked from both kaspersky and malwarebytes anti malware
Do i need to say more? those are the worst kind of viruses these ads are a no no also
Luckily my computer is tightly locked but yea blocking this junk also time to fiddle with a script filter as well again.
Just making a point here.
There are websites out there being blocked by mainstream browsers and Anti-Virus companies for being used to distribute malicious files. How long would it take FA to end up in one of those blocklists and become completely inaccessible..?
I actually had a detection of suspicious url by kaspersky pop up showing ( Which look somewhat like these only mine was compleatly different > http://support.kaspersky.com/images.....n13-115387.jpg < ) that these ads are indeed very dangerous but i block all of this junk i just had it off for a test run yesterday night
Also browsers like chrome and firefox etc can block it but i doubt they will do it by ads i know kaspersky is a lot more aggressive on it.
Say something nice about Doug Winger, he passed away today. Least you could do is get the Banner temporarily changed to give him and R.I.P.
https://youtu.be/PJLSzsEjpWM
A petition to remove these disgusting ads, not sure if Neer will care but if it's reaches its goal it's at least proof on how many people are pissed.
600/10000 sigs
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/.....move-adult-ads
"Broadcast Your Ass"
That being said, this update is disgusting and foolish. What on earth were you thinking? Was it IMVU's decision, or yours? And if the former, do you have no say in what happens to this site? And if the latter... well, I don't even.
10,000 is a big number. It's more than some furry art sites' entire userbase, active and inactive.
The fact it's more than other sites is irrelevant, we are discussing this site. 10,000 seems like a very small number when the current browsing users doubles that count, I doubt the majority of users even browse the site 24/7, which would easily mean this number is under representive.
I don't think 10,000 is sufficient as I suspect it's not even 1% of FA's user base.
Or, if you've got a rooted phone, you can ad block everything. I would also suggest getting a good antivirus.
As for apple devices, I haven't seen anything of the sort, sorry. :c
Beyond implications to the site, adult adverts are only going to harm the fandom's reputation. People were already wary of FA as being only a 'porn' site. Well, you're only helping to confirm such opinions.
It's time to sort these issues out and come up with a coherent plan for this site, otherwise people will start voting with their feet, and that will only be to your detriment.
</sarcasm>
If photo porn ads are okay, does that mean FA will be changing it's TOS to allow photo porn?
Glad I adblocked all of them.
Fuck you 'neer, fuck you.
He's not going to read ANYTHING that is in here.
Listen to your community or see the users leaving because of missmanagement on your side.
I am pretty sure that nobody here wants to see human porn ads or even worse. This is a furry based art site. Furs come here to see furry art and, if they want, see furry adult art. They are not interested in human porn.
Do not see the money, see your users, see your community and work together with the community and not against. Otherwise one day, the community will break apart and use the alternatives even more frequently and not return to FurAffinity ever again.
I am sad to see this site going down more and more.
Simply admit you have made a mistake. Can you?
IMVU
PO Box 390012
Mountain View, CA
94039
fax: 650.321.7263
an FA cover of NIN's classic album
Please, reconsider these ads. Remove them. The message these ads send, the harm they may cause through malware or content, and the slap I feel it gives to those users that purchased ad space to be shown next to stuff like that outweighs that income in my mind. This was not a good choice.
furaffinity is the csi episode
if you want to do adult ads, break out an adult.furaffinity.net or something and ban adult art from the main furaffinity site. for fuck's sake.
Nah, we'll just adspam instead. Money money!
And go months without ever hearing anything back.
You can't even answer your e-mails about people trying to get their ads up.
But thank you for finally giving me the push I needed to get off this god-forsaken website. It's pretty clear to me that this place is just continuing to go downhill. Goodbye.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16916489/
disgusting
Hehe, well, they sure fooled us! I disabled ad block to see what all the hubbub was about, and the first ad I saw was a vulgar thing plastered across the top of the screen to the tune of "WATCH COLLEGE GIRLS F*CK!!!!!!", complete with animated humping, wall banging, floor shaking goodness.
Mmmm, yeah, nothing screams "classy" like those kind of ads. You can't even disable that with the mature content filter! I used to think this site (and the people who ran it) had some taste and sought to provide a reasonably welcoming environment to a diverse audience. I've been thoroughly proven wrong. Nothing but sellouts to the highest bidder, apparently.
I joined the slew and threw my lot in with the dissenters when they took up half the screen with ads that obstructed the art on an art gallery site! I thought the outcry would have been enough to convince them to get their act together, but 'tis not the case. I'll likely be fully transferring over to Weasyl. Not only is their format better, but they don't plaster horrid advertisements all over your screen. FA used to be a relatively safe website to browse in friendly company, but now I'd be mortified if a friend of mine saw the garbage that ends up in the ads!
Anyway, that's it. I'll step down off of my soap box now!
I mean noone(not much) wana pay for the Ads FA placed for the users, they began to use patreon, uploading advetising viva gallery and not more using the ADs FA placed for - so FA loses money and used another opinion. If you DONT have another opinion you should not complain or, insteed of that, use a AD banner and stop spaming patreon-advetising around. you are not the only person out there who do that or uses patreon, remember that...
Ideas here, go in one ear out the other. so, no giving ideas will not help.
The only way to get them to listen is to be a loud as possible about our disdain for their poor choices.
i mean i dont see, at least, nothing about to make SUCH big drama if we also have weird furry ads like the one i count up, only coz they are not furrys and they are humans, we should deal with it SOMEhow. and if not, lets begin with other things X3
i did not understand, i had some ear wax in my ears, what was it? :3
While I've seen this site advertised on here, I've not seen this particular image.
"but honestly, i maybe thought about to draw a picture about it: A lot people really explode in RAGE about this Ads
- drawing vore and Herms and like
- loves cub porn
- drawing hyper furrys
- gets a boner from water sports
- wearing dips
- makes commissions every month for nearly 300$ per month or more
- other fetish things what i dont know right now
and they -ALL- complain about Ads where "Betina (18)" shows us her tits (as sample).
Honestly, some people should SHAME even to make a drama about..."
the meaning is i -CAN- understand people who use the SFW ad-block or are underage-rated users - people who DRAW stuff or like, should really think TWICE about to create or make a drama about something like that, really.
But none of those ads are explicit. Seriously, the WORST thing I've seen on an FA banner is the saying "I can fap to this." Just because something is a fetish, or even sexual, doesn't mean it's explicit.
These, on the other hand: https://twitter.com/Novemurr/status.....522624/photo/1
They're not just explicit, but also offensive. "Browse Bitches."
"- makes commissions every month for nearly 300$ per month or more"
And what does this have to do with literally anything?
Yes, I'm occasionally commissioned for porn. Yes, I sometimes browse FurAffinity's porn. No, I don't want to see trashy advertisements glorifying rape or reducing me to merely a "bitch."
well i never said it was the exactly SAME banner, but it was a banner from them. i just noticed that they also made ads on Sofurry (so sure and just said, dont get me wrong, this is the ACTUALLY banner Ad from Sofurry, they HAD one on FA but i didnt see or find it here anymore).
Still, some people i only can SHAKE my head about it if they really begin like "BAD PORN ADS! WE DONT WANT THEM! I WANA SEE FURRY TITS! I CANT STAND HUMAN TITS", srs. As i said, i DO understand some of them but the -MOST- just rages without a real reason. i understand that those ads are bugging, yea, but THAN they should complain about HOW they build up and not about they exist.
And RL pornography, which is even illegal in some municipalities.
but honestly, i maybe thought about to draw a picture about it: A lot people really explode in RAGE about this Ads
- drawing vore and Herms and like
- loves cub porn
- drawing hyper furrys
- gets a boner from water sports
- wearing dips
- makes commissions every month for nearly 300$ per month or more
- other fetish things what i dont know right now
and they -ALL- complain about Ads where "Betina (18)" shows us her tits (as sample).
Honestly, some people should SHAME even to make a drama about...
Hopefully this will be everyone's wakeup call and we can move on to real websites with some modicum of concern for their users or even the most basic and rudimentay ethical behavior.
I do hope this site gets fixed, I mean, the majority of people are here, its impossible to get any kind of audience on any other site, for a metal/progressive musician like myself, there's no call anywhere else.
Hoping is stupid, at this point.
Also anyways i dont wana keep on talking only in arguments like that (nothing personal dont worry), i just made my point by uploading a picture some min ago.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16919894/
If adult ads could be bought and posted, and only show up when adult is enabled, not only would artists flock to the opportunity, they would also possibly open two ads, one sfw and one otherwise, and they'd get much better responses. Not to mention that people would finally shut up about seeing suggestive poses and what not in their ads.
Please FA, do that, if you aren't now!!! PLEASE!!! x grovel x
From this point on I will no longer be referring people to my FA gallery when linking them to my art if they are going to be blasted with virus riddled porn ads. Thank God for Weasyl.
Adblock up, everyone!
Anything IMVU touches turns to garbage LOL.
FA, take a look at the comments. PLEASE. At least the well done ones, with the points in it?
Why did IMVU even want to buy this website? What were they going to do with it?
They have a game where you can't earn ingame credits, and you have to PAY for everything.
I had to scroll down for at least 6 full minutes before I could get to the comment section. Remove the ads!
Nobody wants to see that shit.
- You specifically had in the rules, no nudity on avatars or REAL life 'naked' images. > Yet you allow sites promising '20 bitches a day' and 'cheat on your wife' ads with CLEAR nudity.
- You allow artists to buy ads, to keep the site going, yet this happens - and almost everyone of us have installed adblock we can't even see the artists that need supporting and used their money for help.
Really? How many more comments do you need?
PERSONALLY - I don't enable 'mature content', 1) i'm underage, and 2) i have very little interest.
But so many of my older friends and watchers and people i watch are upset about it - and just knowing that my favourite website is transforming into a porn site?
It is REALLY hard to report a malicious ad when it has screwed your computer so much that it won't turn on.
As soon as I saw this, I immediately ran a scan, hoping to do an ad block next, only to find out that my computer (which is scanned at least twice a day and was fine yesterday) was riddled with malware, Trojans, and viruses.
THIS is the only site I use on this computer.
Can I report the ads that did this?
Nope.
As soon as I removed everything and restarted, my computer went into a restart cycle that it couldn't get out of.
I spent all day today reformatting my computer.
Lost all of my work.
Spent weeks on commissions that are now gone.
Hope the few extra bucks is worth it because I won't be purchasing ad space from you anymore.
Booting Windows PE / Linux recovery OS from a live cd or usb stick isn't that hard.
> As soon as I saw this, I immediately ran a scan, hoping to do an ad block next, only to find out that my computer (which is scanned at least twice a day and was fine yesterday) was riddled with malware, Trojans, and viruses.
Could you reveal the identification of the malware specifically? A link to a virustotal page of the binaries involved would tell more.
> THIS is the only site I use on this computer.
Using a site isn't the only way you can obtain malware on a single purpose computer.
> I spent all day today reformatting my computer.
Something is very wrong with your hardware if it takes all day to format a drive.
> Lost all of my work.
You would benefit from reading http://taobackup.com/
I personally use software like crashplan for such purses.
> Spent weeks on commissions that are now gone.
It is unfortunate that you didn't take simple precautions against fatal issues.
It's nice to see that you're still sucking the shit out of the FA team's ass, but try to be objective for once - nobody wants to browse FA with these ads in place, and nobody wants to have their computer put at risk when they do so.
Are you sure it happened to begin with? The story failed to provide any substance and makes a fair few long claims. The security concious user that virus scans twice a day, but doesn't run any backups seems absurd to me. I haven't seen modern malware that actually stops a computer from booting when removed either, particularly since they're all user-mode applications.
> if you're ignoring the fact that these things shouldn't even be happening in the first place.
I find it perplexing that someone that apparently spends that much effort on a PC doesn't do the simplest of things to ensure they can recover from fatal issues, regardless of what they are (be they a virus, lightning strike, operating system update botched, harddrive failure). I don't blame the victim for the problem, but it is concerning to see this person hasn't really thought out any contingencies when so much effort is clearly invested.
> It's nice to see that you're still sucking the shit out of the FA team's ass, but try to be objective for once
I'm not blaming the victim, I found it unfortunate that happened but at the same time, the claims they've made do not match up with my understanding of the situation.
I don't know a fair few amount of things, but any time it involves something that has a lot of work put in it, money etc. I do actually find out if I can get insurance on it, what it covers, how can I recover from worst case scenarios (examples of this in my personal life has been around radio equipment, fursuits, camera equipment, business liabilities).
> nobody wants to browse FA with these ads in place, and nobody wants to have their computer put at risk when they do so.
I'm browsing FA with these ads in place (and I don't really care, it's just another site with ads, big deal?) and despite having a paid Internet security suite (more than just anti-virus), no triggers have occurred. Of course, nobody seems to be able to present the actual virii, virus total isn't able to produce any results with FA infecting users, chrome, firefox and IE which now blacklist sites that have malicious content, including ads won't even block FA. This makes me sceptical of the claims being made.
Plus, not everybody has the presence of mind to constantly back up their gear. We don't all run RAID arrays, and sure - I've got a fairly decent security system in place, but I could do more to back my work up. Fact is that I could do better to ensure my data is safe, but a lot of people don't really think about these sorts of things until they happen. It's happened to a LOT of people - I seem to recall Tim Buckley (of CAD fame) had an issue a good number of years ago where his hard drive died and he hadn't made backups, making data recovery problematic.
And this is before we get to the 'it's not happening to me, so it must not be happening' mindset you have. You're the first user here I can call to mind as not minding having these disgusting ads in place - the majority mindset here is that they shouldn't be here on FA, and the majority rules. Good for you, you can handle that sort of stuff - the average browser doesn't want to have to go applying exceptions to their ad-blocking software, or edit their hosts file, and honestly: why should they?
This sort of content is unacceptable on FA. It doesn't belong here, nobody wants to see this stuff. Trying to pass it off as inconsequential just makes you look like even more of an idiot - but then, our last encounter pretty much proved that, even if your 'lel meymey arrows' 4Chan shit didn't. Learn to use quote tags, fuck's sake.
You may have noticed that on previous journals (as you're apparently a fan of me), I've asked for more details from people that have made claims such as this and they have failed to provide further details.
> Plus, not everybody has the presence of mind to constantly back up their gear.
That's why you automate it, you could benefit from the website I linked too.
> We don't all run RAID arrays
RAID is not a backup, you really need to look at the website I linked now.
> but I could do more to back my work up
More work? A good backup solution is set it and forget it.
> And this is before we get to the 'it's not happening to me, so it must not be happening' mindset you have.
No, my mindset is that there isn't sufficient evidence that this is really happening and I cannot seem to even witness it happening myself. We're having claims made by people that do not seem technically literate that aren't able to provide any details, and therefore cannot be relied up on to know the real source of a point of malware infection.
> You're the first user here I can call to mind as not minding having these disgusting ads in place
I'm desensitized to advertising, they do nothing for me. I will never click them and I won't pay attention to them. I witness them on other websites, they support a service I use, fine.
> the majority mindset here is that they shouldn't be here on FA, and the majority rules.
The people commenting here are a vocal minority of users on FA. This is easily determined just based on the active user base and how many comments are in this journal. I won't claim to know what the majority of users on FA want because I do not know. The Google analytics statistics that FA is currently using however will reveal the user bounce rate and how users react to the site changes and if they're not making a significant difference, unfortunately, I don't have access to that data and I don't believe you do either.
> the average browser doesn't want to have to go applying exceptions to their ad-blocking software, or edit their hosts file, and honestly: why should they?
I am more interested in discussing the malware claims on this thread, so I won't stray further from the topic, sorry.
> Trying to pass it off as inconsequential just makes you look like even more of an idiot
No, at the moment I am pointing out that I don't believe the malware claims.
> but then, our last encounter pretty much proved that, even if your 'lel meymey arrows' 4Chan shit didn't.
No offence, but I don't even remember who you are and not really interested either.
> Learn to use quote tags, fuck's sake.
I'm not interested in your OCD issues either, I'm fully RFC 2822 compliant.
If I am unable to verify bold claims by people myself, I'm not going to accept someone's (doesn't matter if it's Dragoneer or not) word alone for it.
But hey, you give the impression you're an expert on objectivity and the scientific method, please share your data and results on this matter.
You claim to use the scientific method to know what the fuck is going on here right? Ok, give me your statistics, give me your work hypothesis, what is what you are specifically trying to test, what are your variables to measure, and what are your measures in general. C'mon bitch I wanna see those graphs.
Oh wai wai... true, you don't have any, cuz you are just a faggot who thinks that by speaking big words you can make a point.
Loooooooooooool
> If I am unable to verify bold claims by people myself, I'm not going to accept someone's
Ok faggit, lemme give you a quick list of bold claims made by Dragoneer that have been proven to be lies:
1) He promised transparency after the fundraiser S-C-A-M of 2014, and he didn't give it.
2) He promised to make advances and updates every 2 or 3 days since a few months ago, all he does is giving apologies and playing Elder Scrolls Online.
3) He promised to fix the limit that only allows people to upload images of a certain size
ETC bruh, etc.
> inb4 more of your stupid whinning
The method was opening ten new tabs of adult submissions from my watches and clicking ten of the ads, of the clicked options, I then further put the URLs into virus total's URL checker. I have screen recordings of this because I wanted to reveal something if I found it, but didn't. I'll probably upload them later, here is the data I recorded.
IE 11.0.9600.17843:
Page loads: 20
Clicking attempts: 10
Unique advertisements observed: 17
Encounters: 0
Encounters with clicking: 0
Virus Total identifying anything malicious about URLs of clicked links: 0
Pages that browser refused to visit due to known malware site: 0
Firefox 38.0.1:
Page loads: 20
Clicking attempts: 10
Unique advertisements observed: 17
Encounters: 0
Encounters with clicking: 0
Virus Total identifying anything malicious about URLs of clicked links: 0
Pages that browser refused to visit due to known malware site: 0
Chrome 43.0.2357.130:
Page loads: 20
Clicking attempts: 10
Unique advertisements observed: 19
Encounters: 0
Encounters with clicking: 0
Virus Total identifying anything malicious about URLs of clicked links: 0
Pages that browser refused to visit due to known malware site: 0
> Ok, give me your statistics, give me your work hypothesis, what is what you are specifically trying to test, what are your variables to measure, and what are your measures in general. C'mon bitch I wanna see those graph
Based off observation, I haven't been able to observe Avast Premier suddenly freaking out telling me there are viruses on my system by simply the existence of these adverts on FA. Based off my own observations, clicking a few of these ads didn't do the above either. Virus Total did not identify any of the linked ads as malicious URLs and nor did the built in browser malware block lists.
The lack of evidence of this happening locally to me means that if this were true, it's certainly not a consistent issue that effects all users. However, the lack of evidence may suggest that the source of information may not be accurate either.
You have the data, paint the graph however you like.
Regarding your points on Dragoneer.
Yep, he has repeatedly proven that his word is of no value, he did however show better approach to his statements recently where he made no solid committal on dates. Despite people claiming they are 'promises', I have not found Dragoneer stating he promises to do something in recent years which suggests exaggeration.
Now I've shown you mine, you are due to show me yours. I am waiting for you to present your data and scientific method to get to the whole virus situation that this thread is about.
In all the data, you are just the crazy little guy shouting that the other 98% of the data is wrong.
You must have reading comprehension issue because I did state:
"The lack of evidence of this happening locally to me means that if this were true, it's certainly not a consistent issue that effects all users."
> It is your results, the results of one single person
Oh, let me show you something:
"The lack of evidence of this happening locally to me means that if this were true, it's certainly not a consistent issue that effects all users."
> who by the way is a bad troll
Ad hominem.
> who has been deffending Dragoneer since this all begun
Oh no, I won't accept people saying he "promised" something when he gives a estimate without certainty. I must be defending Dragoneer! I've stated that I don't trust Dragoneer's word repeatedly, for years, but that means I am defending him! Seriously, you should fact check better.
> versus the results of MANY users around the globe
You have failed to deliver, yet again. It's clear that you never even collated any information and it's clear you never found anything yourself.
> who have been posting with different points of view but exhibiting the same results.
Actually, I found people were stating different things, some are saying it happens when they click ads you are offered to download a 'virus', some are saying just the mere presence of the ads causes their computer to be infected with so much malware, so I have determined that you are lying.
> that the other 98% of the data is wrong.
I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to prove that 98% (and I expect to see that calculation to be accurate from your data, because otherwise, that would mean you're lying again) of that other data is correct, I can certainly prove mine thanks to the screen recordings. Still waiting for you to present your data and scientific method to get to the whole virus situation.
> "anything that hurts my butt is ad hominem"
Fedora confirmed
> "durr hurr Dragoneer's statements weren't promises because he didn't use that exact grammar structure"
Someone here lacks of the ability to interpretate stuff, because everyone else interpretated it as promises but someone didn't. Autism detected.
> "you failed to deliver"
Lol, just look at this page, you are the only bitch who is claiming that the ads are virus free. Now, you are either dumb enough to think that "click here to earn your prize for being the 99999th click" is virus free stuff or you are just a bad bad troll.
> "I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to prove that 98%..."
Oh babe you are so dumb you can't see that even if the percentage fluctuates from the number I provided still the vast vast vaaaaast majority reports the same thing and you are literally the crazy bitch in the crowd exclaiming otherwise.
Keep moaning.
You're the one who seems to be having issues spelling a fair few words here, actually.
> Someone here lacks of the ability to interpretate stuff
Shame you never provided any data to 'interpretate'.
> because everyone else interpretated it as promises but someone didn't.
Your generalizations on how everyone 'interpretated' the event is amusing.
> you are the only bitch who is claiming that the ads are virus free.
Very few people on this page are actually claiming they have been infected by viruses from ads here and those that do, seem to be having difficulty providing any further information, if any at all. Since you're fond of statistics, statistically on this page, it's not as significant as you're trying to imply with this sentence.
> Now, you are either dumb enough to think that "click here to earn your prize for being the 99999th click" is virus free stuff or you are just a bad bad troll.
The specific type of ad you mentioned are prize scams, you can read more about them at:
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articl.....99-prize-scams
You're really bad at this.
> Keep moaning.
I will <3
Ladies and gentlefurs,
As you can see from this thread, Inignem has provided no data, has provided nothing sufficient to back themselves up. Inignem resorts to ad hominem attacks, name calling and belligerent behaviour, bordering on emotive arguments. Much like many other people who find themselves with a weakened position, Inignem is clearly trying to push the conversation away from discussing facts and the issue to other things.
People like Inignem unfortunately cause further dysfunction in our community by perpetuating lies, exaggerating issues, lack the ability to remain objective, honest and think critically. Such attributes don't help us resolve issues and identify problem areas, they instead create numerous falsehoods that causes our voices to be ignored and perpetuate in-group favouritism among ourselves and FA staff that prevents us from working together.
It also causes dysfunction among just the user community as those of us that can see when people are coming up with stories do not generally participate in conversations with such people as experience tells us, when you let these people bring you down to their level, they will just beat you with their experience of using various argument fallacies (or argumentum ad nauseam). Unfortunately, waiting for September to end has proven to be fruitless and people like Inignem that "talk shit", not doing genuine work to improve things, in my opinion, need to be pushed out of the community. They aren't bringing us any benefit and they're just making things more sour all around.
I've seen people claim the adverts give you viruses, but seemed to lack an ability to express themselves beyond the claim. Much fewer I saw claimed to actually ended up with viruses and following up with such individuals resulted in the same.
> And viruses or not, they cheapen the work of the artists whose pages they appear on.
I concur.
> The ads need to go.
I'm not as bothered by the ads personally. However, do you have a revenue alternative you can point FA administration to (hopefully something that can be trivially added like advertising, as I don't think FA has the man power to deal with projects that take more than a few days to develop)?
I don't think attempts at introducing 3rd party adverts will stop unless an alternative revenue stream that generates similar or more revenue is identified and implemented unfortunately.
Yes, they already added it. Google Adsense.
Considering a cookie file is just a just a database of pure text key and value pairs (like, sesionid=127841 or seenadultwarning=yes etc) , that isn't viewable or modified by anything but the website that created it, a virus being stored in it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Binary data like viruses generally have to be converted to text, using a method such as basae64, the site that stores it in your cookie file wouldn't need it because it gave it to you to begin with, the site would need a special loader for it to make use of it and it would only be able to use it on it self, not the user... How would it even be usable from your cookie file seems absurd... Sounds like a false positive to me.
I am not accusing this person of lying, I am saying that the "virus scanner identified as having a virus was FA's cookie file" sounds like a false positive (which doesn't discredit an anti-virus scanner identifying something as a virus) by the anti-virus due to the nature of how cookies work.
> That's why I just think the ads need to be got rid of. To be on the safe side.
I think that if we're really concerned about safety, we shouldn't be using a website that has a reputation for being vulnerable to intrusions, poor decisions and privacy concerns and if we do, we should be assuming it isn't safe to begin with and factoring that into our use of this site. To do otherwise is to create a false sense of security.
Yep.
Unfortunately, users identified that Google adsense is not an option any more due to the site violating various Adsense terms. I don't think Google adsense will be here in long term.
If I recall correctly, people were giving examples (quoting their terms) in the previous journals where adsense was introduced where there were violations of adsense's terms, even though the ads weren't appearing on marked adult content submissions.
> durr hurr data
Lol I dont even bother about it as you are too retarded to notice that while the majority of the population here is aware of the problem you are actually one of the very few ones who want to act as if nothing wrong is happening. Such level of cynism can only come from someone who tries too hard (and we know you try too hard given your over 9000 comments in every journal) to troll or... gets dildoes from Dragoneer :3
It was a pleasure to break your ass.
Apparently for some people it tries to install a program every time they go to a new page.
Interesting, it's a drive-by-download. My Google search seems to reveal that speedbit video downloader for Android is free, but adware and includes some annoying ad notifications.
Do you think the Google APK installer (included by default with Android devices) which validates if an APK package is a known virus before installing offers sufficient protection on Android devices from viruses?
petition to remove adds!!
1000+/5000
This is Furaffinity, not some commercial, malware giving, selfselling porn backalley.
I have had my computer warn me 3 times when I open this site that it might have viruses, just because of the 'add-ons' you added. It is the last things I ever want to experience from a site I love to be on.
I am for ads, especially if they bring something to the site that benefits the community aswell, leading me to explore nice things on the webbs. Porn isn't something you need to be shown to be lead too, if you want to find it you seek it out. And if you think that this is a porn site then that is what the definition of the internet is entirely. A commercial porn hub, which we will define as such only because that is what we are shown here.
The ads speak for themselves and will put a image that will stay hurting this site very badly.
I'm severely disappointed in the website currently. I know that being managed by a company with only the most malicious crapfest of ads on their own sites, leads to having to make not so fun decisions, however - If you want to make money and support FA being used by actually showing user ads more, and keeping the clean ads on here, then I'll consider not blocking them, but until then, I refuse to jeopardize the security of my computer. P.S not everyone is into hooking up with random strangers, and as such those ads are mis-targeted. *Shaking my head* IF FA and IMVU want people to use their websites, they should think about the end user, not just about how to boost profits and site traffic. I guarantee, that if you made the ads worth seeing without damaging people's security, that more people would want to opt into trackers and ads. I however do not currently wish to do so and will absolutely not be, until the site policy in regards to ads has been revised to clean up the ads.
Also have links and instructions here for non windows http://www.thefoxtech.com/2015/01/u.....-to-block-ads/
If you're not coming back a noticeable drop in watchers may make others leave too.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6835192/
Save the user ads! ^^
http://pastebin.com/UZd55rN7
Will take care of the google/doubleclick/imvu ad's and leave the FA ones alone. (Also applies to the forums)
Nothing against advertising, but the whole system requires better thought.
Not really a bad thing if that suits you, but then again humans are icky.
What ads? I use adblock :P
... really? Was that worth it?
Make sure your anti-virus is running. :(
Don't get me wrong, a shame he's dead. Not nice to see somebody pass away. Expecting me to give a fuck is a bit different, however.
Bring on the inevitable shitstorm.
other than that, ahahahahahahahahaheheheheheheheheheheheheoohohohohohohohohohohoho
Ended up fixing it for them. Fact is, once you know how to get rid of Ransomware, and if you have the right tools either on the computer or on a flash drive, it becomes remarkably simple.
You're only going to have so many mass migrations away from this site before there's no one left.
The day FA does something redeeming, is the day you'll earn some respect again.
Also, SEND A NOTE TO DRAGONEER? Are you fucking kidding me?
LMAO
BROADCAST YOUR ASS!!! ENLARGE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING PENIS WITH ONE ANCIENT TRICK!!!111
Well said.
I'm not a porn artist
I did not join a porn site, I joined a Furry art community because I thought this would be a haven for my art
These ads are unacceptable
Sad to say I'm no longer comfortable here
You owe us an apology, Neer
And a fucking explanation
Didn't you say you'd be more transparent and talk to the community here before making drastic changes to the site?
But instead you drop the porn ad bomb all over everybody without screening any of them first, breaking your own TOS about not allowing real pornography here
And I see plenty of people who want to support artists by turning off adblock are getting viruses because of you
It was shaping up to be such a good week, too.
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These aren't just trashy ads, they literally are the worst I have EVER seen. Even Warez sites aren't this bad!
But I also added an exception for adblock:
@@||furaffinity.net/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid
Now I can't see third party ads, but still can see other artists banners/ads.
You can block those as well and keep all the real user ads open if you take a look over here. ^w^
Show some pride as the biggest furry forum in the internet and be more professional!
And finally show some respect to all the users who basically built it!
With these ads you went against your own rules. Be honest, that is pretty hypocritical.
Everyone has his/her limits regarding patience and people will continue to leave if you dont get your shit together.
It's time to do some things that are needed and not to keep on piss the users here off.
the only exception to this was an extremely low quality one of some guy furry ejaculating onto anothers face, which always put me into a bad mood
EDIT: that ad was in the user bought slot
I also never saw the ad in the sidebar when it was added.
Because of this shit.
Hypocrisy at it's finest, I suppose.
Then again, after the whole Zidonuke incident, I'm really not surprised.
In addition to that, there is the fact that many adult content posted on this site isn't even porn, but is matured for blood, gore, and non-sex-related subjects that are not deemed suitable for all audiences .So throwing these up on ALL mature work is a bit offensive and/or disrespectful to some of the artists and their content. As one of the "clean artist furs", I have a few bloody images I matured just out of precaution or because the humor I felt was fairly "gallows". The thought of having porn ads prancing across the screen when said art is being viewed makes me shudder a bit. I didn't post it so it'd be associated with porn ads, let alone rape or bestiality porn. If I wanted that kind of association, I would have just drawn it myself.
I will be keeping my adblock on, regardless of what changes are made or being made about this flub-up. This has just made me trust FA less than I trust any other site I've crossed on the internet, promising they will turn for the better and instead fumbling every chance with "epic fail". Everyone makes mistakes and I am always willing to give a second chance... But a fourth and fifth chance is taking things a little far, no? I adore the community of this site, and all the wonderful people I have met. The acceptance and respect I get for my personal feelings and beliefs is amazing, and I have never felt so understood anywhere else. I do not, however, adore the choices that those in charge have been making, or the constant lying about transparency and honesty.
I hope one day to be proven wrong, and see them get things right and learn from mistakes, but I also have become fairly convinced by what I've seen, not to hold my breath. I am someone who loves to support what I, well, love. This site has allowed me to meet people and mingle among groups of the most fantastic diversity, all of which who share understanding with me, and we can all just "live and let live", something that's hard to find anywhere else. I'd support the admins of this site in a heartbeat, if only they would prove trustworthy enough to rely on. FA isn't just losing trust with such actions, but also many other types of support, including financial. They seem to have forgotten, or never realized, how much having a userbase that loves and trusts you can do.
My my, this got rather long winded... I guess that's what happens when I stop being quiet and finally post on one of these things. ^^;
Anyway, these are my personal feelings on the matter from my own perspective. About the ads, and FA in general. *Shuffles back to work*
i tired of them always only making important announements on twitter first n take forever to say so here
Also I Doubt they're actually gone. Unless they make an announcement or edit this journal. All I'm getting is speculation. From what I saw he's getting rid of the ads like the ones displayed to him in that current conversation. I really hope that when he said he's getting rid of those ads permanently, he means removing mature ad support entirely. Even if the adult ones are gone.. mature ones aren't needed.
So I say, announcement or it didn't happen.
He only said that he is removing a majority of the adult ads, not all of them.
Sign it.
If you're reading this Dragoneer, I hope you are proud of selling FA to a group that couldn't care less about the fandom who have done nothing but brought shame to this site.
I desperatly encourage people to just abandon this place, leaving it to die while wikifur still has something postive to write about it
He and I both give zero fucks about this site anymore it seems
And I still remember that massive donation drive FA ran at the start of the year, that's a laugh and a half now ain't it?
I have been holding back on making 'the exodus' for a while because FA was my primary gallery and main source of commissions and having my artwork exposed. When I joined FA, I joined to showcase my artwork to others. This - was- a flourishing art community! All I'm seeing now is more and more negativity, hatred, and spite. I honestly have a part of me that does want to stay here, only because this is where I 'grew up' at, but I have to hang my head and walk away because of the reasons given:
- The use of 3rd party pornographic ads only adds to the bad name Furries have been given by the media and other groups. The last thing we need is to have that label shoved deeper into a wound the fandom is trying to heal.
- For those that showcase their art to others that are not member of FA, guest are subject to seeing these ads, EVEN ON NON-ADULT ARTWORK. This has been confirmed many times from several members. Personally, I'm not going to risk having non-furry friends and acquaintances label me as a pervert for being a member of a now pornographic community.
- The use of these ads, pornographic or not, can cause potential harm to someone that might accidentally click said ad. Most, if not all, 3rd party ads contain malware and viruses, sometimes very malicious. Yes, there are programs that block the ads (which I use), but it only covers up the problem. It doesn't remove it. Everyone is still going to know they are still there, even though they an not be seen if an ad blocker is used.
- Even with an ad blocker on, it is still unintentionally promoting the use of these ads. They will continue to use ads no matter what, because ads draw in revenue. FA and IMVU are not going to care what the contents of the ads are because money speaks louder than words in today's world. If someone clicks an ad on this website and their computer becomes infected, FA nor IMVU are not going to do anything because it was the users fault for clicking the ad to begin with. IT WOULDN'T BE THE USERS FAULT if FA or IMVU screened the ads before allowing the ads to go live on the site. I am personally not going to support a website that doesn't care if the contents of it's website are harmful or not.
- Having to now use an ad blocking program to hide these 3rd party ads only proves that the trust from users of this website has dwindled. DeviantART uses ads on their basic membership users, HOWEVER, they are screened and are relative to the site! I honestly do not mind the ads there because I have actually found some useful stuff/art programs that way. I can trust DeviantART to allow the ads to be seen. I -CAN'T- trust FurAffinity to allow the ads to be seen. I literally no longer have any trust in them anymore.
I honestly hope to see FA shine one day, that that day is either at the end of a very, very long path or was missed and there is no way it can turn around.
I've been holding off renewing my ads here, because if everyone is forced into using adblocker, what is the point?
I normally like to post stuff and show it to my friends (even therapist) on my phone. Now I either have to make sure there's no porn ads on it or just upload it to another site. Ugh.
I also like your other arguments on this >>
What will hurt them as opposed to what will help them
Thank you
Remember that third party ads have a tendency to include malware and scam, Hentai Foundry for example has to fight this almost in a daily fashion... Taking in mind the vulnerabilities and security holes FA has, we hve no gurantee we are not getting a massive infection with a trojan if you disable your ad blocker, the only thing you can do for artists to continue to be supported via ads is to add an exception for those ads only... but it's the most you can do, you are not risking your system in favor or malware.
What he FA staff needs is to really keep an eye CLOSE to this kind of advertisement, you don't know how dangerous can be if a hard malware infects people over here...
{display ads with dicktits}
if else
{ponies and rainbows}
//gotcha
Oh does that mean there'll be an option for mature community ads in the future?
and this makes me uncomfy w/ the ads
ADs: POST PORN. MOAR MONEY.
Journal: WE'RE POSTING PORN ON OUR WEBSITE BUT PLEASE DON'T REPOST IT ON THE SAME WEBSITE WHEN YOU REPORT IT.
Get your shit together, FA.
You knoooww.
ya'know.
This may be the most amusing, sad and true thing I've seen in quite some time.
Thank you for this.
"We've enabled mature third party ads on submissions which contain adult content. These ads will also show up on any page where adult content is visible (such as in a thumbnail). The system was recently updated to detect whether a page has general-rated content or contains adult material, and displays ads accordingly."
So what you're saying is nothing is changing seeing as more then half this site contains adult content. Yeah.....really great "fix" there.
gg
He's not making it up
In other words, you're still stick with 1280 x 1280 resolution by default and can't upload FLV files bigger than 10 MB. Gotcha.
FA has had this problem for years - FA's servers are constantly 'upgraded' with resources that might only last a hardware generation or so before needing to be replaced, rather than the purchases being made with a smart and intelligent thought.
Serving via SSD should have been something that FA took on board at least a year or two ago, and don't even get me started on the rest of the server configs.
rather than removing all adult ads in general: https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....52990037536768
"These ads will also show up on any page where adult content is visible (such as in a thumbnail). The system was recently updated to detect whether a page has general-rated content or contains adult material, and displays ads accordingly."
So it'll show up as long as there's something adult on the page?
This might sound stupid but...Regardless of filter?
There's an issue that's been here for years where mature or adult artwork can get through the filter anyway. I'm assuming it's because someone accidentally posted it as general at first, but then changed it to what it should've been. I have my filter set to general art only, but I still get things in my submissions that are rated higher than it should be. From what I understand about this system, it's only based on things on the page, like thumbnails, as you've said. So now, I, or anyone else who ends up with the problem, are likely to get these ads even though we shouldn't. Is this right? Because that's what I'm getting from this. And yes, I know that other sites have the same issue, but doesn't DA at least remove the thumbnail image? Since we can apparently detect adult content now, why not do that? But then again, a thing these sites don't do is throw malware infested porn ads at you if any traces show up, so there's that problem too.
From what I've seen and heard, these ads are atrocious. I've used AdBlock since IMVU happened (since IMVU's known for exactly this), so I don't have to worry about it, but as someone who's actually afraid of anything sexual, I find it to be pretty messed up to force this on someone, especially with the chance of showing it to people who don't want it. And you do this as if furs don't have enough issue with being seen like this. You're promoting it now too by throwing up these kinds of ads, some of which were about cheating, rape, and apparently bestiality now too. Think about it. Someone wants to hurt the fandom? Well! Just go to the biggest furry "art" site and get bestiality and rape ads, and as an extra bonus, malware and a dead computer! And no, these are actually fairly public. You're right when you say people can't see the adult images as a guest, but anyone can make an account and switch the filter. And that's if they're not a regular user who only sticks to general art, and ends up with something that accidentally passed through the filter because of a site issue. Now not only do you have the possibility of accidentally showing fake porn to those underage, but you're advertising real porn to them too.
Funnily enough, the issue I was talking about actually happened while I was typing this earlier:
http://s21.postimg.org/firygd8nb/Ha.....screen_too.png
http://s23.postimg.org/5ca2p6t4r/An....._shall_not.png
http://s18.postimg.org/9y0yjzlqh/An.....shall_nots.png
No, they're not red. A lot of the time they're not. But it still proves my point as nothing here should be colored at all. And I'm not mad at the artists either. I think they're both fantastic and if it's happening the way I think it does, then both of these were probably an accident. But if the ads are working like I'm assuming, this was clearly not thought out at all. If you need more proof on this, I haven't touched anything, so I can go pick up what you need.
Please remove these ads. Forever. No one here wants them and you are literally punishing the people that give you money.
But I dunno, that's just what I think.
Sorry if I said anything stupid.
I'll probably delete this later.
Keep it on hand till this all dies out
I am a porn srtist but i dont condone any of the disgusting acts depicted in these ads.
I'm not entirely sure on sending a note though...He's probably drowning in them at this point and I feel like it's highly likely he'll just skip over it. He might even do it anyway since he says to send a ticket first if it's site related. I dunno, I worry a lot I guess. Maybe later on or something..?
That, and your management of problem content and slapping violent/harassing users on the wrist instead of banning them as they should have been a long time ago has just shown time and again that you care more about your furry clique garbage people than professional artistry and a healthy and positive community.
Good luck in the future but I'm not holding my breath about this site anymore. Taking my art off. Peace.
As a clean artist, and someone who is vehemently against porn, I find this to be a personal and blatant disregard of everything I believe. This bothers me more than anything else FA has ever done.
I can handle the drama, I can handle ads trying to sell me IMVU avatars, but I cannot support the advertising of hardcore pornography. More importantly, I don't want to be associated with a website that has such sleezy appearance and such disrespect for its users' wishes.
An attempt to put the brakes on, before shit like this happened?
Downhill from here, unfortunately, and emergency brakes just simply won't work at this speed.
Anyway, I don't know why you are trying to school me, because we are all in agreement here. FA is pretty messed up.
I was stating that as "we were treated and seen as idiots for saying that this site was going to have a lot of terrible decitions thrown at it, but now people see we aren't or that at least we had a point". Not as a show of we being more intelligent and others being stupid :T
No I don't think any of us had foreseen porn ads as the next thing they would do, but we knew things of similar severity were to come eventually, considering the trend of terrible decision they took. There was a lot of misinformation from both parts, and many times when people asked why so many people were upset at previous mess ups of this site they were told "lol jsut a bunch of whiny idiots nothing serious".
I mean like really... I mah go all getto here but damn I know you admits are all thirsty and shit ... but it doesn't mean we all are.
Screw IMVU! :D
- server upgrade;
- ads review;
- other updates;
- more ads;
- new banner;
- even more ads;
Yep. Brilliant.
ADD MORE RAM!
oh wait, IT WAS ALWAYS BLOCKED
LOLOLOLOLOL
Was there a 'exodus' there too over something?
Like it seems like a pretty solid site i just don't see a ton of people on it o3o
same with weasyl but that ones kinda new so i get that
It's user friendly, got full support for uploading all sorts of commisions, chat rooms that are actually good and so on
As a writer trying to upload works here is pretty shitty to be blunt but even when I'm uploading art I've just found SF to be better
I moved there back when FA was bought out by IMVU in the first place and I regret nothing, I love my new digital home
I've had no problem submitting art and neither have my friends
It's certainly worth looking to as an alternative at the least
I really can't fault it, however if an artists problem is I need a big user Base
Tough luck, their not leaving FA and that's one the biggest problems
People don't want to leave since their so rooted here and I doubt they'll ever move
FurAffinity, Skype, PayPal and Google
I don't want my business associated with that.
I would say It's definitely has a focus towards Writers more.
Artwork traffic is pretty slow, and I've had little to no feedback
from starting out there A new.
However, Their Sett up with groups, chat, and a section just for commissions is
pretty nice to have. Those are some awesome features.
Weasyl is just new, and a tiny bit difficult to find things through the search system.
I think as soon as they could get a better search system, things would get much better.
There are quite a few over there since the first IMVU Exodus on FA.
Everything is rolling quite a bit.
Shame their user bases are so tiny.
> Why would you want to stay if you're going to have sexist/abusive human porn thrown at you?
Adverts don't bother me, doesn't matter what they say. Seen plenty of these types of ads on the wikipedia and stackexchange clones.
As long as I can commission and bid here, FA is fulfilling the function I use it for and have little use for other sites that don't have such a large selection of options.
I already have a sofurry and weasyl.
It's trashy, it makes absolutely no sense by the ToS of this site, it's potentially damaging to your user bases systems due to malware, so on and so fourth.
I've never threatened to leave FA before, but if this doesn't get fixed I very well will probably leave.
That being said, where does most of the interest lie? Where are most of you gonna go upon leaving FA? I want to know which site has the most traffic and make an account there should FA continue to drop the ball. With the tremendous amount of negative feed back about this, ignoring your user base at this point is just plain disrespect.
You have recently decided to allow for third-party adult ads to be displayed on this site.
Now, regardless of the fact that any money that these ads might have earned the site is negated by the increase in users who will now browse with an ad-blocking service...
You should be ASHAMED of yourselves for allowing the use of ads that use such DEGRADING and SEXIST language.
Human pornography is one thing; but the "hookup" ads that DEMEAN, DEGRADE, and OBJECTIFY women are unacceptable. Stop rationalizing and justifying that it's acceptable to allow half of the world's population to be treated as second-class people in the name of generating income. You are not merely allowing this to happen; you are profiting from it.
FA Leadership, stop contributing to the marginalization of women; do your part and REMOVE these ads IMMEDIATELY.
There is no debate here, only shame.
And because you have asked for your shame to be served with a side of hypocrisy, the following is from your own Code of Conduct:
1.8 - Do not engage in malicious speech. This includes bigotry and disparaging remarks about anyone’s race, ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation.
If repeated ads using "bitches" to refer to all females does not count as malicious speech based on gender, then I do not know what does.
FA Leadership, it's time to step up and own up. Leaders are tasked with uniting those beneath them and help them to do something greater together than they could have ever imagined by themselves. Do not misuse this responsibility that the community has given you; instead unite with them to take a stand against this system of abhorrent marginalization and remove these reprehensible ads immediately.
"Most of us fall short much more by omission than by commission. While the world perishes we go our way: purposeless, passionless, day after day." --Mildred Lisette Norman
And, to the rest of you, if you have not already made your voice heard, please do so.
> Marginalization of Women
> Bold Gender
Them's SJW fightin words there, alright.
But as I see it in this occurrence, enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Knock em' dead icewhisper.
No, I assure you that this position is made in earnest as the various 'take down the adult ads' journals/posts/whatnot do not adequately address the FA leadership's position in the systemic problem of marginalizing groups of people.
This is a necessary point to make as FA has otherwise attempted to create a community of inclusion; moreover as furries are an oft-marginalized group, it is imperative that those in any kind of leadership position in the furry community (however loose or unofficial that position might be) would do their utmost to prevent this kind of behavior--more than that, to take a stand against it.
I dont see how the ads are sexist anyhow. It targets both men and women. Women as being 'sluts', men who are the ones wanting to screw anyone. Both bad stereotypes to people.
http://i.imgur.com/213s6sH.jpg
It's gone.
That helps me remember artist to go back to! This can't be taken away!
What the hell!?
1) Don't post porn.
2) Use AdBlock
3) Both.
...why am I even talking to a wall. Seriously.
And spare me the inane word games. "'Adult' is what I do. Everyone else does 'porn.'" Yeah, I've heard that refrain all too often in the past.
It looks like the porn-mongers on FA are finally getting a taste of their own medicine. Poetic justice at its finest!
Confirmed. Both a brony, and a brick wall who can't debate.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co.....c25a67555e.jpg
There are dumb comments on this site update, but then there are yours.
You can try to rationalize it as much as you like, but the vast majority of "adult" furry "art" is pretty awful stuff. So it is absolutely hilarious to see the creators of this "adult" material -- the kind of stuff that gives "furry" a such bad reputation -- whining about being targeted with similarly-disgusting "adult" ads.
The schadenfreude here is absolutely glorious.
Also, explain to me this:
CaliFur 2008 Fursuit Parade
Further Confusion 2008
Mephit Furmet 2008 Fursuit Parade
Mephit Furmeet 2010
That was from your Youtube page. A screenshot made and all. Why? What happened?
Children and guests can see the porn ads. A child actually pointed this out. Changing our artwork distribution does not fix the problem. The content filter does not prevent it. The SFW button does not prevent it. Some of the ads even bring malware.
And this also breaks their own rules and policy, specifically:
1.10 - Do not post links to content that is prohibited by any of Fur Affinity’s rules. This includes links to real life pornography, malware, malicious scripts, websites featuring the illegal streaming of copyrighted content, or content in public (journals, profiles) or General Rated (AUP 1.1) areas that leads to Mature/Adult Rated material that is not behind a warning splash page.
Feel silly about going "Oh, boo-frickity-hoo!" now?
Please reconsider... and remove them. This ain't professional at all, this ain't a friggin porn site, this is an ART site that allows Adult Art to be posted. Having the ability to post Adult Art does not mean that we have to stand and watch stupid porn ads that are just ridiculous, out of place, looks horrible and... just WHY.
I imagine that's like trying to advertise ... dunno, total surveillance to the EFF or ACLU ?
+1
lol, great analogy
=)
I needed a while to find a reference that'd be current enough to be understandable.
"Like the Republicans support Unions" would have been difficult, as the Republicans supported Unions fervently in the 50's and 60's, but in the last 30 years they were mostly fervently against them, so most people wouldn't have seen the same weirdness in it as I do.
Yet in itself the reference should not have been too sexually charged.
"Like the church supports same-sex marriages": Which was true for christianities longer time of existence: Up to the 13th century there were same sex marriage liturgies part of the regular canon.
But the nowadays multitude of subchapters and splintergroups makes people all too happy to separate "their christianity" from "that other christianity" which would have devalued that snarky reference just as much as the political reference.
So I went for the EFF/ACLU and surveillance issue as there, an astonishing large number of people remembers that their own legislation is severely agaisnt surveillance, , just like those advocacy groups are, too.
And the fun fact that those groups and the legislation are often standing head to head against each other illustrates the insanity of the current porn-ad wave quite nicely:
There is no ( or nearly no ) furry porn on the internet outside websites such as FA. So, channeling porn ad's, no matter their quality or sensuality, into such a specialized site is totally off-topic no matter anything else.
So those porn ads make no commercial sense, just as dragnet surveillance, according to statements by the NSA, didn't help stopping a single "lone wolf" madman.
Adding that porn ad's directly violate FA's TOS ( like the surveillance violates the constitution ) there should be no need for any discussion about the porn ads, no matter their quality:
They have to go.
Some of these really are.
> You're going to have to sell that adspace for way cheaper than it's going for now because the value has decreased drastically.
I wonder if the funds being produced through these ad services outweigh the benefits of older ads sufficiently enough that this is worth it. Sadly nobody here has gone through the effort of making some reasonable guesstimates on profits.
and they say "more ads cause we bought you to make us more money thru ads"
IMVU really excels at that. Their own "furry" ad's are, as far as I am concerned, already a good proof of their incapability, but, true, when they are making the settings for the ads it highlights their utter lack of understanding even more.
Would this website have been a forum for archaeology, most likely they'd be very eager to have ads posted here for moto-cross racing and high volatile explosives.
Like, you know, archaeological digs are in the wilderness, and general groundworks are sometimes also done using explosives.
As an art-site allowing erotic / pornographic material of one specific, special topic on it, it absolutely MUST be the best idea to dump shitloads of generic porn over it.
Like, you know, when there's something depicted without clothes that could optionally wear clothes, too, it's absolutely perfect to show more things that don't wear clothes although they could.
Like, you know, I put a t-Shirt over my cactus last week, and now I get swamped with horticulture ads...
On a sidenote, diggin' the new design of buttons on sub pages!
I'm sure that if people here want real porn, they know good and well where to find it. Adding them here just sort of makes FA look like a sketchy back alley kind of site, and I'm not sure why you'd want that image for us.
Sure there's porn here and we all know it, but these ads just sort of seem to solidify this site as a porn site, rather than an art site. Poor executive decision. Everyday, I become more and more disappointed in this site.
Since Dragoneer is basically an employee, maybe we should be taking this up with his boss?
Googles ad services for the general stuff, and Lord only knows for the adult ones that caused the issues.
And apparently on those "Adult ad services" they weren't well researched either: https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....30571380772864
They apparently thought they'd only be seeing certain kinds of ads from the provider, but got more than they bargained for.
It would take reasearch and effort to target ads or understand the interests of a community. Wheather IMVU takes this as a lesson that they're going to have to do some more care when implementing ads or risk losing revenue to adblocks/fleeing is really what's going to determine FA's future at this point.
I don't have issues with ads. I realize it's a viable way to sustain a site of this size without having to completely come out of pocket. But damn, a little research would've been great. I guess adblock until it's fixed.
Having tried to obtain advertising for a certain site that contain content that advertising services like Google ad sense do not accept, the problem I encountered was that the only options I could find after that were very liberal with what sort of content they had on their advertising.
If FA needs additional ad revenue and the selection of advertising partners is limited to those that have such liberal advertising, it doesn't seem too surprising to me. It seems people were quick to point out that Google ad sense wasn't going to work on FA and got what they wanted, Google ad sense replaced with another advertising service that will accept FA.
Perhaps furs here should be instead providing feedback on which advertising services that are allowed here, make a similar amount or more of value to the existing advertising service that contains advertising they find acceptable. I don't expect this 3rd party advertisement thing will go away on FA in the long run.
Like, no I don't know off hand what advertising partners would have these things because it's not something I spend my free time on a social site looking into. But that's what research on their end is for? Like, you can't tell me that of all of the internet, these advertising partners (that apparently rely heavily on mature/adult ads) were the ONLY ONES that would take on an art site :T As vast as the internet is, that just doesn't make sense. It seems like someone on their end was just cutting corners and picked the first partner they found that would accept FA.
Maybe if we were marketed as an art site rather than a porn site, we wouldn't have this problem?
It's a volunteer ran organisation for the most part still, clearly they need help researching.
> Like, you can't tell me that of all of the internet, these advertising partners (that apparently rely heavily on mature/adult ads) were the ONLY ONES that would take on an art site :T
I suspect advertising firms do not classify this as an 'an art site', I would imagine they classify it as just another website. This website happens to contain materials that most 'clean' ad services refuse to be associated with. In my limited experience, trying to find an ad service that allows such materials and is not very liberal with the content they advertise is difficult. My point was pretty much that I found many options, they just didn't offer much variety in their offerings when I previously looked for such a thing.
> As vast as the internet is, that just doesn't make sense.
I quickly looked at other art sites that allow adult content and do advertising, they seem to be selling ad space themselves or using some pretty lewd advertisements from 3rd party services. The fact other art sites aren't doing much better means that this isn't an issue FA is only facing, there must be a reason to it, makes sense to me. A peculiar one was one using shinyads to get a 3rd party to handle management of selling ads on their site rather than doing it directly themselves, but that would essentially just be doing what FA did before these new ads and probably not bring in additional profit.
> Maybe if we were marketed as an art site rather than a porn site, we wouldn't have this problem?
I doubt it, just look at how Google ad sense works, it doesn't classify sites, it just says what content is not acceptable.
Really, I don't see what is the purpose behind the replies of heavy pessimism to you about linking the petition? If a person doesn't have any faith in it, no need for them to make a fuss, it's not like posting and signing is hurting anyone if they want to do it, and there is no pressure to sign if they don't believe in it, or don't want to. ^_^
HASHTAGFUCKINGSARCASM.
FA has evolved from artistic smut to a straight up filthy smut ridden pornhub.
wooooh! this is a great image for us!*
*said no one ever.
You mean...all porn adds? The "spirit with the site" and the TOS forbade this exact thing. There are limits on the adds users can run about furry art and what they show on their own adds, but the 3rd party adds ignore all this. I mean what, is fucking a middle aged married woman in the "spirit with the site" just as long as it doesn't straight up show her cunt?
Sorry to the artists who paid for ads but im not dealing with malware.
I believe I called it before, but I'll state it again. They will continue to do horrible changes like this. They ARE NOT INTERESTED in the community. All they care about is MONEY. All they saw here was earning potential.
And all Dragoneer saw was a potential way to make money off running the site. ONLY person doing so, it seems. Pulling likely a very fat paycheck from IMVU for running it. And will do so until IMVU decides to remove him or contractually can remove him (you know the 'neer had to have at least some set time he couldn't be dethroned so he could milk IMVU for the money).
And there we go. Greed on top of greed. Enjoy the continued deterioration of the site.
Anything he says here or on twitter will have the same response as any journal from the Staff like this, 99% Drama and asinine negativity, 1% trying to help, or get help nicely. Reading up in this journal alone, the number of positive examples, can be counted with relative ease. The Drama Patrol will never be sated, they will never be happy with any answer or change he brings.
Think simply everyone in this community wanted change in the site, an overhaul of the site if you will, and he delivered didn't he. The beta is a working overhaul, but it's just that as well, a work in progress. but was it received with applause and thank yous of him listening to the community and doing as asked now that he had the money and ability to deliver? No, it was meet with artists and users complaining and leaving in droves, flocking to other sites yet offering nothing to help here.
So why make a statement here to the Drama Patrol that waits eagerly, claws at the ready, for him to say anything so they can rip it apart, offering nothing while trying to take everything. Drowning the fraction that wants help but can't receive it over the Patrols egos and whims.
Don't get me wrong, I want FA to be alive, too and I want it to be good. But I by now start to feel too like the opinions of users doesnt matter here.
And about help...I would have helped, even asked how (maybe as a mod?) but sadly, I'm not living in America, so my offer didnt seem to be of any interest.
The opinions do matter, think of how long everyone complained about updating. Once they had the resources, it happened, plain as day. But to put a correction on my statement actually, the Good opinions matter, rarely do the negative ones do more then bring up problems with nothing of real value other then ego stroking.
And your offer might have stood, but I'd place money on it joined the masses of others washed over by the drama and complaints. But that's for the staff to assess, one never knows tho recently it's not hard to guess what's getting through and what's not.
And dont get me wrong, like you I also dont like those who simply see everything negative but its also wrong to defend whats happening no matter what. I didnt have a big opinion whether the IMVU thing was good or not for example. I thought 'ok lets see where it goes' but seriously...after announcing more transparency neer told us about FAs selling after it was done. You cant build up trust like this.
And if the users would have more trust they might react otherwise. I honestly dont wonder that people here are pissed.
It would be much easier to talk with the commu ity BEFORE things pop up like this. Like 'hey you guys, we are planning to do this and that in 2 weeks what are your thought about it'. This would cause less drama and much less work for the staff. As it is like now...they do something, oeople complain, the staff undoes what they did. Waste of time, energy and money. Plus more users leaving and being pissed.
Rare to find someone who actually thinks a bit
Bringing up problems so that they can be corrected is a fundamental contribution in itself. Ignoring the problem all together, which the staff do quite often, contributes nothing towards improving the site or the occurrence of similar comments. Good comments (Ass Kissing) doesn't contribute anything towards fixing these problems either, nor the hoards of false promises the staff has provided us in the past and are doing right now with this journal.
If you want people to start leaving good feedback, you need to do a good job. If you post bullshit (like this journal) which goes against numerous problems the site is having, then you're going to find it drowned out by negativity, disregard, and disgruntled users. A lot of people don't leave constructive feedback because not only can FA not handle fundamental problems with the site, it can't handle fundamental implementations either without some big company threatening to fire
themDragoneer for it.When the staff are being drowned out by overwhelming negative feedback, that should be a clear sign of an unhappy community pointing at problems which they should be able to fix or shouldn't have even existed in the first place. It's not drama, and what most people are commenting about aren't fallacious expressions of distaste. The staff is ignoring feedback which if taken seriously could improve the site and make the presence of the negative feedback less numerous.
Ignoring that in itself, a lot of people will completely disregard what the staff says because for the past 7+ years Dragoneer and his batch of cronies have used their position to lie repeatedly and cover up crucial information from users who in some cases depend on the site being able to do what it is advertised to do.
Now I'm going to poke at one thing here:
The opinions do matter, think of how long everyone complained about updating. Once they had the resources, it happened, plain as day.
It hasn't. All that's happened in the few years of promising an "update" was (photoshopped) screenshots, a buggy as shit beta site, 2(3) dead redesign projects, multiple failed attempts at getting new staff members, and a site which has undergone minor cosmetic changes.
The only true updates that have happened was in regards to their DDoS protection, which took many successful DDoS attacks on the site to get implemented in the first place.
I suppose the only true update will be the extended upload limits, which currently hasn't been implemented so I'm just going to disregard that for now until we actually see it.
I cannot believe you are actually defending this guy after all the shit he put the community through. He's been promising us features for years, features that were never realized, features which other sites take for granted. It took the FA staff years just to implement HTTPS and even that doesn't always work properly.
There were numerous donation drives, numerous suggestions on the forums and a lot of constructive feedback detailing exactly what Dragoneer and his rather incompetent staff should have done. Users donated tens of thousands of dollars over the years to keep FA alive and stable, yet it still slows down occasionally and produces some weird errors such as image thumbnails not displaying at all. After so many years, the site still accepts only GIFs for avatars with a maximum size of 100x100 and 50kb. Pictures are still downsized to a maximum arbitrary value. After buying so many pieces of hardware (some allegedly remaining unused today), you'd expect FA to function more like a modern website.
Dragoneer has been like this for years. It doesn't matter whether it's simply criticism or actualy positive, constructive criticism; he doesn't listen, never listened and now that he's a mere employee of IMVU, he sure as hell ain't about to start listening. Remember how he promised back in January that every 2-3 weeks or so, there would be regular updates as to what's going on behind the scenes? How many updates have we received since then? Very few.
The past 2-3 years have been nothing more than Dragoneer promising to be much more transparent with the community and keeping us up-to-date. How dare of users get angry at him when it turned out he actually sold the entire site out behind the community's back, a site he supposedly considered "his baby". Him keeping silent is nothing new. Dragoneer has always been like this. He always kept silent in hopes that any 'drama' will just blow over and people will forget about it. It shows just how much of a coward he is.
Many artists are still waiting for an update on their ad space, a crapload of people are still waiting for a response for trouble tickets they sent in years ago and there are still many, many glaring issues which probably won't be fixed because Dragoneer is biased as all hell when it comes to choosing the staff. He routinely puts his friends in an elevated position even if it's clear that they can't do their tasks right or cannot be trusted. Zidonuke incident anybody?
How dare users get angry after Dragoneer left them in the dumps while raking in the cash? I guess we should all just shut up and wait until this just blows over, yeah? Hell, why not even look at a few of those malware-infested ads while we're at it?
This hurts the site and its reputation along with the already low reputation of the furry fandom and it's almost completely his fault. He knew how IMVU operates and despite having other options, he had to choose the worst of the worst.
So voicing our anger and letting the staff know how incompetent they are means we are the Drama Patrol? Get your tongue out of his ass, it's getting way too brown. This sell-out affects all of us and whether someone donated or not, every user has a right to express their opinions, whether it's anger or something else. And right now, we have a lot of reasons to voice our anger and concern.
The community already tolerated enough of this bullshit and it was the staff who offered nothing but took everything.
You'd also stand to remember that Dragoneer has had the money to fulfil all of his promises for years now - the problem is that he's always squandered it on useless projects and ill-advised expenditures rather than focus his finances correctly and Get Shit Done.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to support FA myself, but all evidence points towards complete and utter pantshittery for the entire decade it's been around. Don't you think that people are entitled to start getting a little pissed off about how they're being treated?
i guess i havent seen them because i'm under 18
yes I have adblock, but have it disabled to see artist ads, but if this issue is just me I will just turn adblock on about for FA once more
I only run hosts file and on mobile adblock with hosts file; no popus on FA
Otherwise anyone have any suggestions in trying to isolate this think or am I just gonna have to ad block fa totally again like before when I had no issues?
I can say I have been using it since the windows XP era and I have never once seen a single pop up or adware re-direct since.
http://usa.kaspersky.com/
*Note: I also tried disabling adblock completely and browsed FA (what disgusting ads they run here. For shame). I didn't see a single thing pop up that should not have.
Maybe this isn't helpful at all, but I hope that regardless, this issue can be cleared up soon for you. :)
Turn off Javascript or, alternatively, using Noscript may help, but it misses sometimes since it can be hard to determine what is malicious or not. But, turning off javascript will break many /other/, /legitimate/ sites.
Update 4 in april he accused Adblock of causing buttons to not work---which has never been true with it ever.
Noscript would block EVERYTHING until the site was whitelisted so the only thing that would realistically cause this would be people wiping their addon preferences at the same time of the update.
Though on an interesting note, Noscript went through a complete OS reinstall with me and it still permitted the entire website despite it being "forbidden" by default.
TLDR: FA accused adblock and noscript when the addons actually didn't break the site at all. Only ads.
He doesn't control the ads, iMVU does.
It's sad because we told him that was the price for selling the site.
Now nobody it's going to view my ad because of your smart desition you are ruining artist and people who trust in this galery to survive daily.
Thanks so much!
Absolutely beautiful. Just took that screencap.
Broken beyond repair or redemption.
Wonder when that changed.
when its off its just tha color like you have it.
its never changed to show 'nsfw' there as long as ive been on fa
but, did you refresh the page after clicking it on? you have to refresh the page after you click it with green on for it to work
if it still doesn't work for you after that well...that's strange, since ive never had issues with the sfw button
And strange, considering the sheer number of people on this very thread saying the exact same thing.
It doesn't work, and it never has. And frankly, everyone knows this.
This is how sites such as Etsy pay their bills.
Artists even tell people explicitly now not to mention FA in Paypal messages, just to send the money with their username.
If Neer can't handle this, can he REALLY handle people's money?
Well.... No, he can't. Just look at the recent donation fiascos.
There's no 'treading water' in business situations like these. Either an entity goes forward or it slowly dies. That's why, if I were IMVU, I would recognize there is really one respectable way to do business here and it's through getting control of the payment processes between artist and consumer. Milking the site of all those ads clearly isn't working. If IMVU really wants to invest in a better FurAffinity without the annoying ads they should probably upgrade the staff here and put the investment into making a platform. If the community does not trust the existing staff, then it's really up to IMVU to remove the offending parties. I've already started moving over to Deviant Art and will probably set up a Weasyl account soon enough.
As for credit card, thats protected by VISA/MC/Amex so not much worry there.
Not much worry? You would be fine with giving your credit card number, address, full name, and CVV to random people? That's exactly what would happen if it got hacked...
Uhh, actually, no. If they are claiming to be a bank, they're required to follow every FDIC rule and regulation, one of which mandates absolute neutrality in regards to who gets paid and what is being paid for, unless the money is going to fund criminal acts or terrorism.
Don't believe me? Go walk up to your local branch, ask to speak with the branch manager, and ask.
They will tell you no.
Because I asked this very same thing when I started working in the Adult Entertainment industry.
As for the credit card number and related data, I dont really worry about it. I provide that information to random people all the time. When ordering online or by phone, I have no idea where that data is going, but It's an accepted risk of using the system. Site aside, any store or site can be hacked and the card is insured against such. The weaknesses in the system is something the issuers are working to fix but it is taking them time to roll out the new equipment and cards. Hopefully after the October 2015 deadline set by the card issues everyone will have EMV chip enabled cards which will greatly increase the security and difficulty to clone cards and use them fraudulently even if a site or store gets compromised. Once the EMV cards are a common place then hopefully they will get caught up with technology and allow use of the chip transactions online. A reader can be obtained for less than $25 (http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-Portab.....dp/B00CM3C8WG/).
The rest of the data you mention, Name and address. Unless you've been taking such precautions to keep off the grid all your life most of that data is public record.
I doubt random, as in people who want to deliberately cause harm/trouble, on a regular basis.
Site aside, any store or site can be hacked and the card is insured against such.
Of course, but some sites have a higher tendency to be hacked, especially when they have a bad track record, or where there are a lot of people who would love to see the place ruined.
EMV chip enabled cards which will greatly increase the security and difficulty to clone cards and use them fraudulently even if a site or store gets compromised.
Will this really help with online security, where the only information needed is the usual information. Unless you have to have a smartcard reader to use your card (which I doubt will be the case) it won't help online security at all.
The rest of the data you mention, Name and address. Unless you've been taking such precautions to keep off the grid all your life most of that data is public record.
Most people try to keep their full name off the internet, it's one of the reason aliases and usernames are so popular. Until recently, you couldn't get my full name off of the internet, which means address as well. Of course, now that I'm registered with the FCC, it's changed, but I managed to keep my information under my control. It's not hard, and many people on the internet do the same, especially around the furry community. The last thing everyone wants is for people who may be looking to hire you search your full name on the internet, and find it in a list of hacked names on a furry website.
Some people don't care, such may be the case with yourself, but many many people do give a shit.
Never know what people are capable of, but true, I usually had a reason to give them information.
>Unless you have to have a smartcard reader to use your card (which I doubt will be the case) it won't help online security at all.
With the readers being so inexpensive, I believe many would opt-in and get one. The card issues could even provide a rebate for them to entice people to obtain one as the initial cost of a program could be justified by reduction of fraud claims. If my bank supported it I'd already have bought a compatible reader. As it stands now I use smart cards for PGP, but my card and readers are one unit for portability so would need another dedicated reader when the option is available.
>Most people try to keep their full name off the internet, it's one of the reason aliases and usernames are so popular.
While people try, their data will get there regardless. Providers like LexisNexis compile much of this information and make it available. If you own property then your information is also on the public record in the court house. And as you mentioned FCC, yup they have my information too. In such a connected world it is near impossible to keep the data off the internet. Also in my experience, while I don't advertise it, I've found most major corporations could care less about furry in the big scheme of things.
>Some people don't care, such may be the case with yourself, but many many people do give a shit.
I actually do care and try to prevent my aliases from mixing too much, but again it all comes down to acceptance of risk. I work in the IT field and understand that no system is 100% secure, there is always risk. Even the government has been hacked. Accepting risk, I will use the systems and try to continue to increase security but also know negative impacts could happen and am prepared to deal with those in the event.
We have deviated quite heavily from the original topic however of FA being a payment processor to fund the site. FA could actually setup a separate sub entity without the name furry it it to handle the onsite payments if that would make others feel better. There are many solutions to a problem, some just take more effort.
(besides, it probably wouldn't ever get done. We've barely seen a UI update, let alone a whole new system on FA.)
This is wrong. I have a Google Wallet account with ZERO CARD.
They ask you for your SS because of PATRIOT Act requirements. You can walk into any bank and find that notification READILY posted just about at every teller window, or nearby brochures that say the exact same thing.
But damn, that banner is pretty! ♥
"HELLOOOOO"
"SAY SOMETHIN"
"WHAAAAAT"
"OH MY GOD NO WAY"
"CONGRATULATIONS YOUVE WON"
is now, linking ads for normal porn with viruses.
Already I see paradox of this.
Neer you are our Hero of an Mountain of shit Lies ^^
I hope we never meet in real that can you hope, not that your Look make an tunr for the worse like FA ^^
I can't follow them on Weasyl or any of those other sites, because those sites are hard for me to browse on, the layout has been confusing for me.
This zombie Kat is not pleased.
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
http://www.thefoxtech.com/2015/01/u.....-to-block-ads/
the drama is absolutely hilarious and i honestly appreciate the good laugh this whole porn ads thing has given me.
Thanks FA!
on that note, i will be finally getting off my ass and going down my watch list, checking for alternate uploading sites for the ones who upload elsewhere. as i've been putting off migrating to sofrry or weasyl just because rewatching EVERYONE is such a massive pain in the ass, but at this rate, with about half the people i watch, no longer uplaoding here, its about time. lol
Tired of Dragoneer's bull shit.
I used to just sit back and watch the drama, but the malware ads crossed the line for me. Seems like every update is just more nails in the FA coffin.
:D
Who knew he meant the sound of users leaving, galleries being wiped, the sound of ad revenue being flushed away...
Neer, I believe you said something to someone, somewhere about it being the ad provider pushing those ads through despite guidelines...that if they ever did it again you'd pull their ads out.
How about just do it anyway. Show them they don't get a second chance to slip anything through, the penalty for being underhanded. We don't need nor deserve an ad provider like that here. Keep the mature ads away as well. Users barely and grudgingly accepted one Google ad...two was seen as excessive. Not everything marked mature is in line with the products that may be shown. The artists have said overwhelmingly they don't want their portfolios associated with these things, their families seeing them. They don't get a choice whether or not others see ads on their art pages and profiles...and they ultimately should. It's about their art. This isn't an ad dump, it's an art site.
Artists aren't buying ads...on an art site...because of this. Ad block is used Carte Blanche because of what happened, because trust was broken. Didn't the IMVU VP swear the ads would be reviewed, not tasteless, and not contain malicious code? Yet just that happened...as people were predicting. Were the ad packs prescreened, this wouldn't happen. We know what the next predictions are...paid accounts...pay to upload...pay to view...pay to remove ads. Nobody trusts we won't be heading there anymore. Nobody trusts giving their financials for this, if the company that said they wouldn't give us malware porn ads...did exactly that. Maybe not directly but by negligence and by proxy. Those who don't have adblockers are getting it. Those who can't run it wish they could. Is that good for business? Is it good for public relations? Is that good for community?
Be happy with the Google ads...pare it to one if need be to show goodwill and their appreciation for the users they still have. I don't know what they make IMVU, but no amount of ads now will make up the lost user confidence. This has permanently devalued the site and their name with users here who were hoping for the best, despite misgivings. The overall user mood is negative and gets worse with each ad rollout.
It's time to stop bleeding users and focus on anything but third party ads. Leave well enough alone...like IMVU said they would. They got their "couple of ads and that's it." The users are not experiments for them to see how much we bend. Enough is enough. Support the site with the ads Google put on...letting FA run FA as promised. Those ads are gaudy enough...but at least not controversial like anything else in comparison.
You said in your own apology journal after the sidebar ad debacle that big decisions would be run by the community...involve the community. That's us...here on FA. Not a third party site like Twitter. Here...the art site where people want to be treated as more than cattle to feed ads. Not micromanagement...but stuff that involves us...involve us in...please.
I apologize if this seems overly negative, confrontational, or overly critical. It isn't intended as such. Thank you for trying to run this monster of a site. Just don't do so with blinders on. Remember why you kept it running. Remember why you told us you sold it. (Please, nobody jump in with theories and supposition or bashing.) You said it was to keep it thriving...relevant...into the future and for being a community art site. It doesn't feel like that recently. Bring it back to that...
Thank you for your time and consideration. I've commented more on this journal than any other. Not to be a problem...not as a detractor or miscreant...but because I do care about this place.
The favor of a reply would be appreciated but is not asked for. I just hope this is read and considered.
Twitter Integration, have the option of a feed right on your profile.
Since 'neer uses it a lot, and people don't like going off site.
Come on. This is the guy that would rather sit around playing video games than being productive. This is the guy that's lied through his teeth regarding pretty much every update or promised feature FA has ever seen. This is the guy that would rather drive twenty hours to pick up a fucking cat than address the flaming wreck that his site's becoming. This is before we begin to consider his selling the site off behind the backs of its users despite constant protestations that the site is 'his baby' and that he'd never sell it on. This is before considering every broken promise, every underhanded decision regarding staff nepotism, and general ignorance towards the state of the site.
The man couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, much less manage a website with any degree of competency. The only reason FA still exists at all is because furries are too thick-skinned to realise that they don't have to put up with this bullshit, and they're too lazy to bother moving.
Does that answer your question?
- No one fucking wants these porn ads. Or even 3rd-party non-furry ads. Fuck that.
- The porn ads don't follow FA's own rules regarding content.
- Said porn ads show up in non-mature galleries and to non-mature accounts. TBH they're PORN ads, they should be adult.
- Said porn ads may also contain malware and if they do, FA's going to wait for you to find out.
- Many people are now using Adblock, and blocking EVERYTHING because it's easier. (I am too.) Sorry people who paid for ad space.
This shit just keeps getting worse and worse.
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
This fix is super easy honestly Ghostery makes it really simple.
FA's gone to the shitter after IMVU took over (even before we KNEW they did, shit was going down), and honestly I don't think they care about actually improving the site as much as they care about the money. While places like SoFurry and InkBunny have rules that piss off some people, and Weasyl is /apparently/ run by a drama-monger (which I haven't seen - tbh the staff there has been running things EXTREMELY well), I'd rather the community move to those sites, because at least they're not complete sellouts.
Every ad is PORNO PORNO PORNO!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/44012.....00/13802716874
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6836134/
I made a journal on how to block the third party ads but not fa artist ads! Please consider doing this for the health of the community!
Artists are the ones that generate so much of the content for this fandom and these ads help support them!
Works for Safari, IE, Opera, Firefox and Chrome along with Android and IOS!
Forgotten idea or something like that?