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MEN LIKE SMACKING WOMEN IN THE ASS BECAUSE THEY LIKE WOMEN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DISRESPECT AND SEXUAL DOMINANCE! ALSO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MEANINGLESS DISTINCTION BETWEEN MISOGYNY AND SEXISM! ALSO ALSO BEING A WHITE MALE IS HAAAARD!!
Go there and give them whatfor
MEN LIKE SMACKING WOMEN IN THE ASS BECAUSE THEY LIKE WOMEN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DISRESPECT AND SEXUAL DOMINANCE! ALSO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MEANINGLESS DISTINCTION BETWEEN MISOGYNY AND SEXISM! ALSO ALSO BEING A WHITE MALE IS HAAAARD!!
Go there and give them whatfor
clearly
UNFAIR DOUBLE STANDARDS KEEP MALES OPPRESSED :c
NOT ANY SOCIETY I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN BY GOLLY
Why suffice with a slap on the ass when a good, ol' rape hello will do the trick!
no but seriously what's wrong with you people?
Also you should post more art, dork :V
Good hussle! *smack*
Did you know that women are a privileged class in society because of bars' practice of giving discounts to women on certain nights? It's trufax.
"Men who sexually harass women and try to pass it off as joking are one part of the problem, and need to be confronted and corrected. But women who take genuine accidental or innocent behavior and make an excessive deal about it are another part of the problem, and also need to be confronted and corrected."
I'll bet the second half of that quote stood out in your mind much more than the first half. When he says "women who take...accidental...behavior and make an excessive deal about it", some part of your mind took that and turned it into "all women do this". Am I right? If so, did you also assume that Wolfblade meant that all men sexually harass women? And that therefore he must hate men? Somehow, I'm pretty sure you didn't.
I've read enough of your journals by now to see how plain a pattern it is: someone says something against women, and that sets off your trigger. It doesn't matter if they say it jokingly, or out of hatred, or out of genuine ignorance, or if they really are being an asshole, or if they have a valid point, or even if they're stating a plain fact. The context doesn't mater. There's something about the very _idea_ of misogyny that hits some nerve inside you. Why? I don't know. But it's not like you can deny it. Not when you come out with a journal like this once a month or so. And it's not just that misogyny is bad. Lots of things are bad, yet you're not _fixated_ on them. I don't see you posting dozens of journals about starvation or pollution or racism, etcetera. No, *this* issue makes you see red. When you catch a whiff of it, real or imagined, you don't have any interest in deciding if any actual harm was meant by it, or if what was said might have had some merit. Why is that?
I freely admit that I know what it's like. I know that certain topics, like religion or child abuse or the military, infuriate me more than other things which might be just as bad or worse. And I understand why, too. So it's not hard for me to spot the exact same behavior patterns in someone else. You can't tell me they aren't there.
Challenge question: Within the last few months or so, has anyone said anything against feminism, misandry, false rape accusations, or anything it all implying that women and men are capable of equal amounts of stupidity/deceit/violence, and you've actually agreed with it?
If the answer is 'no', then you have a problem. I mean that with complete seriousness.
And the answer is still 'no' if you agreed in your head, but didn't say it/type it out because you didn't want anyone to see it.
The answer is also still 'no' if you agreed with it rationally, but your emotions nevertheless insisted it was wrong because you *wanted* it to be wrong.
If you can't listen objectively to anything the other side has to say about an issue, then you have a problem. If you can't concede a single point, simply because of who's making it, then you have a problem.
P.S. If you say anything even close to 'You're just defending Wolfblade because you're friends with him' or 'You're just a misogynist yourself', I've already thought of about a dozen different defenses to those ideas. I really don't feel like typing them out, and I won't. It's cheap, you know it as well as I do, and I won't bother with it.
Maybe when you grow up you'll learn the difference between when a comment is directed at you and when it isn't.
It's not that we can't refute your broken logic, it's that you always see to shit all over everyone's journals whenever they criticize the furry "fandom". You're the one that pulls that James Vanderbeek copypasta bullshit when you know you've been outsmarted, which is usually after the first few comments. Just go away and spare yourself the trouble, lol.
Gasp! Horrors! How dare I!! Acting in a way in which YOU YOURSELF ACT ALL THE TIME!! Why, it's almost as if you can dish it out ...but cannot take it! :O
>You're the one that pulls that James Vanderbeek copypasta bullshit when you know you've been outsmarted, which is usually after the first few comments. Just go away and spare yourself the trouble, lol.
HA HA HA! I haven't done that in at least a _year_. Update your material, pokey.
>Lol I was responding to the other comment you left me on KinkyCoyote's stupid journal, since he was very butthurt and blocked me.
By the way; the reason he blocked you? It's because you're RUDE and STUPID. :D
And what's that I hear? The sound of no substantial rebuttals? Of course I hear that sound! Why would I expect you to even be capable of such a thing, when you've shown no evidence of it in the past?
Lol you forget that when I call people out on shit pertaining to how fucked up furry is, it's based on facts that can be easily observed by normal people. Not idealistic socially-stunted "fandom"-worshipping logic.
And l o l you got butthurt and copypasted it to me all over some nerd's journal a few months back, so no.
Yep, I *thought* you were too stupid to be able to understand the comparison he was actually making!
>Lol you forget that when I call people out on shit pertaining to how fucked up furry is, it's based on facts that can be easily observed by normal people. Not idealistic socially-stunted "fandom"-worshipping logic.
Then provide me these facts! And show me how my logic is wrong! Put up or shut up! :D
I love you you think that opinions can even be proven by facts. It's so cute. :3
>And l o l you got butthurt and copypasted it to me all over some nerd's journal a few months back, so no.
If that happened, I completely forgot about it. Honestly, to the best of my knowledge, I can't remember ever talking with you before. I am absolutely serious! What do you think that means about how much your personality (chuckle) blends in with the rest of the people who talk and act exactly like you?
The comparison he was making was that being made fun of for being a furry is somehow on the same level or even related to being murdered for your race, sexual orientation, or religion, which is a total bullshit argument that could only be made by an isolated fat white guy that draws pictures of himself shoving his fists up peoples' asses with Crisco. Besides the vast differences between being fucking MURDERED and made fun of, the #1 thing that's wrong with that argument is that furries deserve to be made fun of. The people who make it into some retarded lifestyle just make it worse on themselves. There's a big difference between liking furry porn and basing your whole fucking life around your obsession with animal people, and it's important for those hardcore furry kids to get a reality check as often as possible, so that maybe they can somehow salvage their sad, deranged lives.
TRANSLATION: I'm out of insults, so now I'm making shit up!!" :D
>The comparison he was making was that being made fun of for being a furry is somehow on the same level or even related to being murdered for your race, sexual orientation, or religion,
God, how fucking dumb do you have to be to be that wrong and still defend it!? You make my fucking temples throb. His comparison was that, if furries start ratting on each other in an attempt to kiss up to people who hate us, it will work out for us about as well as the Jews who sided with the Nazis to save their own skins.
Now, I know you won't understand that, because when you look at what I just wrote, in your wasted mind it probably *looks* just like 'OMG furry hate is worse than J00z had it'. But that's because you've likely had little to no practice admitting to being wrong, so you warp reality to make it so that you're never wrong, and consequently you have no idea how to learn from your mistakes.
>the #1 thing that's wrong with that argument is that furries deserve to be made fun of.
Oh really? And I'm sure that _you're_ so very important that you get to make such a decision? <giggles> You're not important. You're a tiny, whining buzzkill with a barely-audible voice who can't stand knowing that other people are enjoying themselves in a way you can't understand. I love knowing that, with every goofy, fucked-up drawing I fart out and squeeze my dick over, it makes tightasses like you complain and complain and complain.
Plus, the fact that you feel the need to make fun of people at _all_ means you don't have any self-worth. Really! People who need to do that kind of shit do it because they have severe emotional problems. Why, then, am I dicking around with you? Hell, I'd normally ignore you, but it's really late, I've got the giggles, and tonight I'm fucking tired of pretending I give a shit about being civil to worthless livestock like you. :)
Also lol @ the "Bullies only do it to make themselves feel better". Are you fucking serious? That's something you tell to a little kid to make him feel better about being bullied, that shit was never true.
The way white people treated Native Americans was as bad as what the Jews went through during the holocaust. How's that?
>That's something you tell to a little kid to make him feel better about being bullied, that shit was never true.
<chuckle> Yeah, coming from _you_, that's very convincing.
Look, it's been half a day or more, and I'm not in the mood anymore. I looked at your user profile and just laughed. You're more repulsive to me than any dozen babyfurs would be to you. With your 'I hate furries' garbage, you know what you are? Okay, imagine FA is a big party. You're the person who stands in the corner all night with your few friends, doing everything possible to look like you hate everything and making fun of everyone else who's actually enjoying themselves. Like I said, nothing but a whining buzzkill. So, leave.
Also l o llllllllllll if FA were a party, I wouldn't even want to go. Or if I did, I'd take all the beer I could carry and let the freaks have the rest.
Which you say ON fucking FurAffinity. Where you CHOSE to have a userpage.
Christ, you're so stupid you make me sick.
Keep on telling yourself that you're being persecuted and all that other privileged self-important bullshit bb
'Bye.
This is the funniest thing I've read all week.
Sorta hard to take you serious about... anything
Lack of counterargument? Check.
Guy whose fucking name is 'goatmancer' having the amazing chutzpah to talk to ME about not being able to take me seriously? Check.
1) This whole mess does not concern you one single bit. Regardless of what Wolfblade, agouti-rex, or anyone else said, you were never mentioned, you were never brought into this argument at any point. You just, seemingly randomly, posted a short essay bashing someone who did nothing to you directly, and with a 'holier-than-thou' attitue both in your original argument and to every single response. Hence, my original (and repeated) comment of "Unwarranted self-importance".
2) This website isn't focused on heated discussion on human behavior, politics, religion, the rights and wrongs of society, or anything like that. This is a website, designed and targeted at people who both create and enjoy anthropomorphic art, stories, poetry, etc.. The website, however, is used in a large part for various fantasies and fetishes, including, but not limited to, rape, death, torture, etc.. There are of course, lighter, 'friendlier' things people find sexual, but it is still a place where people come to find material relevant to their interest, including sexual. Earlier, when you claimed I used a logical fallacy? I did not. I used information available to me to make a decision about what was laid out before me. Your avatar flashes penis, your gallery and favorites include various mature subjects, some of which include cartoon characters who are underage, as well as death (not in a negative fashion). Though I, and probably most people involved don't care about your interests, it is enough of a basis to confirm that you are here to enjoy yourself... and it is hard for me to take you serious on a website you use to express those ideas.
3) You said earlier, "What does it say about you, that you can't even let Agouti defend himself?"
You posted on this journal, defending Wolfblade. What does it say about you, that you can't even let Wolfblade defend himself?
Hey, you showed some balls! Good for you. I honestly expected to be blocking you soon, so I'm pleasantly surprised.
>1) This whole mess does not concern you one single bit.
You have a point in that this does not concern me *directly*. However, I've sat here and read umpteen journals like this where Agouti goes Hulk smash on misogynists. Now, when the people genuinely ARE misogynists, I have no problem with it, and sometimes tell him so. But sometimes I see him going after people who either honestly don't know better or who simply aren't being misogynistic at all, but are merely having an opinion he disagrees with. I don't like when *anyone* does this, but so far I've held my tongue. Now here he posts a journal telling people to go harass a friend of mine, a friend whose points are not anti-woman any more than they are anti-man. Did anyone notice that he calmly resolved the conversation he was having with the woman he was talking to in the first place!? So it concerned me in the fact that I don't like intellectual dishonesty, I don't like to see people gang up on someone who has done nothing to deserve it, and seeing it happen to a friend of mine tipped me over the edge.
>Hence, my original (and repeated) comment of "Unwarranted self-importance".
Considering that everyone on this site has a right to post their opinion, I don't think it makes me self-important to do so. If Agouti had a similar problem with me, I wouldn't call him arrogant to bring it up.
>This website isn't focused on heated discussion on human behavior, politics, religion, the rights and wrongs of society, or anything like that.
Considering that this was designed to be a community site, I would have to disagree. I've seen other sites that are indeed devoted strictly to art/witing/etc, and this one isn't. There's a reason we have journals; so we can talk about things in them.
>Earlier, when you claimed I used a logical fallacy? I did not.... and it is hard for me to take you serious on a website you use to express those ideas.
Point to you. If you are merely saying that you personally find it hard to take me seriously, that is not a fallacy. It *would* be, however, if you were implying that my appearance somehow invalidates what I say. Which is what it kinda sounded like you meant.
>You posted on this journal, defending Wolfblade. What does it say about you, that you can't even let Wolfblade defend himself?
Actually, I can. I stayed out of all the discussions he was having over on the other journal. And really, my post to Agouti isn't a defense of Wolfblade. It is partly, but *mostly* it's trying to make him aware of a rather obvious pattern I've seen in him. Wolfblade's just the latest example. I haven't done anything for Wolfblade like suddenly butting into a conversation he was having and insulting whoever was criticizing him, because I know he IS fully capable of defending himself.
>Guy whose fucking name is 'goatmancer' having the amazing chutzpah to talk to ME about not being able to take me seriously? Check.
>Same insult twice? Tsk tsk. I'm going to have to take off some creativity points, too.
Just as examples. You sound like you're trying to be my teacher here. These sort of remarks, as well as the fact that you've even brought yourself into this, acting like you've got the only right answer, you have all the responses, and nothing anyone else says can possibly have any effect on you. THAT is Unwarranted self-importance.
>Considering that this was designed to be a community site, I would have to disagree.
This is a community site... designed for and around furries, a community famous for is likeness of anthropomorphic erotica. The journals here, though can be used for community purposes, are generally used for artists announcing projects, commissions, and (for some reason) memes. However, the journals are only a small portion of the website. I'm willing to leave this part as a stalemate, as the journals are for whatever the users decide, but the website as a whole isn't designed around it.
I know better than to argue on the internet =\
You finally bring some rebuttals, I respond, and now all of a sudden you're bored. Might mean nothing. But I don't think so.
Oh, so my *context* doesn't matter; it's all in how I say things? Funny how it's almost universally people who speak rudely to others, and expect their every little squeaking word to be listened to, who then make the biggest fuss when someone speaks rudely to them. (I'm not pulling that out of my ass: every last person who has ever brought that argument to me was someone who started a conversation with rudeness.)
>Just as examples. You sound like you're trying to be my teacher here. These sort of remarks, as well as the fact that you've even brought yourself into this, acting like you've got the only right answer, you have all the responses, and nothing anyone else says can possibly have any effect on you. THAT is Unwarranted self-importance.
Well, maybe the reason I'm talking down to you is because I'm treating you the way I feel your actions determine you should be treated. I try to give people as much respect as I feel they deserve. Did you notice that when you started acting grownup and replying to me, all of a sudden I started speaking to you with more respect?
>However, the journals are only a small portion of the website. I'm willing to leave this part as a stalemate, as the journals are for whatever the users decide, but the website as a whole isn't designed around it.
Fair enough. Though honestly, I'm not sure why you chose to respond to this argument, and threw out the other ones where I felt I'd made much better points.
not to mention apologists for misogyny like you
He hates women so much he turned gay... and yet still draws truckloads of female cartoon porn because CARTOON WOMEN ARE RATIONAL.
Basically, Alex is president of the He-Man Woman-Haters Club.
Oh man, I think I remember this. Didn't he make a post or something about how he hated his mom a bunch and that's why he isn't interested in females, because they're all like her? Some awful histrionics like that.
And that's why he only likes cartoon women.
Late Latin histrionicus, from Latin histrion-, histrio (actor)
Date:
1648
1 : deliberately affected : theatrical
2 : of or relating to actors, acting, or the theater
Basically just another way of saying Alex was being a drama queen.
fucking Latin, those words read really similar
LOL, I don't think wraywolfe intended for that bit of irony to pop up, especially since the definition of the word has shifted away from that.
I don't know, I can't fathom Latin
Ah yeah, Hyster and Hister, I can see where the confusion came from.
It says you're weak and can't take criticism. It says you went for cheap shots because you know you can't refute me.
No one 'bawwwwww's louder and with less provocation than the people who accuse others of doing it. Period.
Can't you people ever say anything different for a change?
Just because someone has a pet issue of some sort, it doesn't necessarily mean it isn't worth worrying about.
The thing is, WolfBlade was actively suggesting that "fursecution" was a reasonable concept while racial and sexual discrimination on a worksite was an overblown cause, and didn't see a disrespect of a woman's personal boundaries as a form of misogyny. Not only that, but called people who were victims of sexual violence whiners, as if the backlash of such experiences wasn't something to point out.
The fact that you can even say that *proves* you either did not read, or did not understand, Wolfblade's posts. Literally _everything_ you just said is wrong. You've either over-simplified, exaggerated, or misrepresented every single one of those examples. I'm sorry you believe that's what he said, but it isn't. It's even more baffling considering that he repeated his points *multple times* because people like you kept misunderstanding them.
I don't like when people get offended over things they haven't bothered to fully understand, and I like it even less when they expect me to give their offense any respect.
I've known women who wouldn't find that a sexual touch, since it isn't uncommon for big uber-het sports guys to smack each other on the ass. That's not misogyny. That's in that annoying area where something is okay to do to one person, but not okay to do to another, depending on the sex or race of the do-er and the do-ee, but somehow making those sorts of distinctions ISN'T racism/sexism when the distinctions and separations and unequal treatment are in the favor of whichever group is the minority, i.e., whoever isn't the white male in the situation.
first he claims that tapping ass ain't a sexual touch
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny
Misogyny isn't interchangeable with sexism. They're two different, albeit sometimes related, terms.
pulls that HUUUUUH BUT THE DICTIONARY SAYS OTHERWISE shit
Typically men slap women on the ass because they're a fan of women, not because they have a hatred for them. :P
the man isn't aware that it also encapsules the concept of disrespecting a woman's boundaries
white males WILL be discriminated against, so we have to establish condoned discrimination against white males in favor of everybody else to balance it out.
me as a white straight male sooooo persecuted abloo ablo aboo
and part of why some men come to be dismissive of the subject because of how often women, like you just did, use a bigger scarier word than what was actually going on. So other women, who may be using the proper language and DO have a genuinely justified situation to complain about, get treated with dismissal and disregard because people are too used to seeing people do what you did and talk bigger than they should have.
oh dear! respecting women apparently makes you a scared cat afraid of vagina rage or some shit!
Sexual abuse is sexual abuse, yes, and is a Very Bad Thing, of course, but it is not the same thing as having a fundamental >hatred< of women.
There is an area between having "respect/appreciation" of women and having an outright hatred of them. That tends to be where idiot men who go around smacking women's asses tend to fall. Idiot, yes. Sexist, possibly. Misogynist? No.The term you are using does not accurately describe the situation you are using it for. You want to assume a guy who slaps your ass is a misogynist, and not just an idiot guy who somehow thinks it'll get him into your pants, go right ahead but you are wrong. The word you are using does not mean what you are using it for. You don't say 'shoe' and expect people to know you meant 'hat.' It really doesn't get any simpler than that.
definitions arrlbg blghlrigh bl shoe hat ramming hand down a lady's pants so not like treating her like shit and not a form a hate blgblhhlj ffflvgf bl
oooooh boy! and this is when DholeScimitar gets into rage mode because someone questioned his shitty gender politics
ointing out that there's a world of difference between disrespect, even grossly unacceptable disrespect, and >hatred< means I'm defending misogynists?
yes you disgusting unheard fart of a loser's ghost
...you ARE one of the over-reactionary women who blow things beyond the applicable and accurate scale of the actual offense, and make so many other people treat other, more sensible and rational women, with the disdain and disregard YOUR type has taught them to show you.
ONE MINUTE YOU'RE ALL PLEASED, A HAND IN THE BUTT AND DAMN YOU ARE DISPLEASED ABOUT ME! CHRIST GO GET A DICK ON YOUR COOCH FOR A SENSITIVE MAN LIKE MEEEEEEEEE
Aaaand someone points out male priveldge! you know that thing where society is sort of a shit to women! Like when people go "if a woman is victim of battery is because she's a dumb bitch who doesn't listen" or call women whores for having a sex life but studs to men who do oooor female bosses as being viewed as overenpowered bitches or whatever shitty thing you read on Maximen/FMH collumns or whatever. This got him even madder
Oh, fucking get over yourself. Yes, because I'm a white male, everything's handed to me on a platter. I NEVER get treated poorly or shit on or fucked over, because I have MALE PRIVILEGE. Guess what? I've worked as the only white guy in an all black business in a black neighborhood, and I HAVE been treated like shit and threatened and harassed solely for the color of my skin. My CURRENT job is in an office environment where women outnumber men over 3 to 1, and guess fucking what? I get shit on every other fucking day, I get hassled and bothered over little piddly shit while I see the happy chatty girlfriends get away with fucking everything. This shit isn't a one-way street honey, and while I might not have had any women feeling me up or anything thank god, that doesn't mean that no white male ever feels discriminated against or mistreated.
So other people have decades of their ANCESTORS being mistreated, and that means that when THEY get mistreated the same fucking way, it holds more weight since when I'm discriminated against it's just ME being mistreated, and not a whole bunch of other people who aren't me.
At no fucking point in this have I been defending one fucking bit of the bullshit that men perpetrate against women, but SURPRISE SUR-FUCKING-PRISE, I try and suggest that MAYBE SOMETIMES the "other side" of the coin shares SOME of the blame or maybe takes things to an excess in their response to ADMITTEDLY UNACCEPTABLE behavior, and gee, I'm waving a "YAY MISOGYNY" flag.
Yeah, I'll sit back and enjoy my male privelege which grants me the world on a silver platter and makes it impossible for ME to be judged or mistreated based solely on my gender, cuz no woman is ever sexist. Enjoy your periods, bitch.
m-m-m-meltdown! this coming from a guy who claims to be on the most bottom of society but yet somehow owns a house, a car, an internet connection and art supplies and other fun shit! its not like that there are homeless, and considers racism to be dead because Obama is on the white house
in conclusion the man is human garbage and he made no discernible point that isn't WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOMEN WON'T LET ME TOUCH THEM IN THE TIT
Alex hates women and will defend misogyny because he's a douchebucket.
I am very sorry for your lots.
No, he did not. He said that SOME WOMEN have told him that THEY did not consider it a sexual touch.
>pulls that HUUUUUH BUT THE DICTIONARY SAYS OTHERWISE shit
I know! Citing references that prove your point! What a dirty trick!
>the man isn't aware that it also encapsules the concept of disrespecting a woman's boundaries
So, what this really comes down to is that you cannot make a distinction between 'disrespect' and 'hatred'?
>me as a white straight male sooooo persecuted abloo ablo aboo
Right, because there *isn't* historical precedent that when an oppressed group is given equal footing, they will turn around and begin to emulate the behavior of their oppressors. Nope, that's never happened!
And it's not like he gave any *examples* of him being treated badly because of his gender. Oh, wait, yes he did.
>oh dear! respecting women apparently makes you a scared cat afraid of vagina rage or some shit!
He just sided with women there. What the hell are you talking about?
>definitions arrlbg blghlrigh bl shoe hat ramming hand down a lady's pants so not like treating her like shit and not a form a hate blgblhhlj ffflvgf bl
I can't understand how you could have a problem with this. Someone who gropes women *might* hate women, but to act as if fondling automatically equals hatred is wrong even on a sociology level.
>>pointing out that there's a world of difference between disrespect, even grossly unacceptable disrespect, and >hatred< means I'm defending misogynists?
>yes you disgusting unheard fart of a loser's ghost
The fact that you can say that proves that you are guilty of exactly the kind of behavior I accused Agouti of earlier. Your emotional reaction to a simple, factual statement like that one is so out of proportion that it keeps you from thinking about it rationally.
Let's put it another way. Someone says that there is a difference between Iraqi insurgents and al Qaida. Another person replies "YOU MUST LOVE TERRORISTS!!" That's _exactly_ what you've just done, and I don't wanna hear how much you whine trying to claim otherwise.
>ONE MINUTE YOU'RE ALL PLEASED, A HAND IN THE BUTT AND DAMN YOU ARE DISPLEASED ABOUT ME! CHRIST GO GET A DICK ON YOUR COOCH FOR A SENSITIVE MAN LIKE MEEEEEEEEE
Someone's intentionally antagonizing him, and he reacts to her doing so, and that's what you think he said. <facepalm>
>Aaaand someone points out male priveldge! you know that thing where society is sort of a shit to women! Like when people go "if a woman is victim of battery is because she's a dumb bitch who doesn't listen" or call women whores for having a sex life but studs to men who do oooor female bosses as being viewed as overenpowered bitches or whatever shitty thing you read on Maximen/FMH collumns or whatever. This got him even madder
Or that thing where men can rarely get any help if their wife or girlfriend is physically abusing them? Or where any man can have his life ruined forever by the mere accusation of rape or pedophilia? Or that most divorce courts side with wives overwhelmingly over husbands in custody cases? Or how lesbianism is more tolerated by society then male homosexuality? Or how it's 'cute' for a T-shirt company to sell shirts that say "Boys are disposable." and "Boys are stupid. Run them over."? Or how it's almost legally impossible to prosecute a case in which a woman raped a man? Or how...
But why am I bothering? You're going to dismiss every single one of those things. Because it's not enough for you to say "My side is suffering more"; you have to imagine that "The other side isn't suffering AT ALL".
And if you instantly thought "A woman can't rape a man!!" then hoo boy, do you ever have it bad.
>>At no fucking point in this have I been defending one fucking bit of the bullshit that men perpetrate against women, but SURPRISE SUR-FUCKING-PRISE, I try and suggest that MAYBE SOMETIMES the "other side" of the coin shares SOME of the blame or maybe takes things to an excess in their response to ADMITTEDLY UNACCEPTABLE behavior, and gee, I'm waving a "YAY MISOGYNY" flag.
>m-m-m-meltdown! this coming from a guy who claims to be on the most bottom of society but yet somehow owns a house, a car, an internet connection and art supplies and other fun shit! its not like that there are homeless, and considers racism to be dead because Obama is on the white house
Hey, way to deflect having to answer to any of his many perfectly valid points!
Also, I know Wolfblade well enough to confidently say that there's no situation in which he would ever seriously say that racism's over because Obama's in the while house.
>in conclusion the man is human garbage and he made no discernible point that isn't WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOMEN WON'T LET ME TOUCH THEM IN THE TIT
Gee, is there a word for when a group cannot accept criticism without calling it hate speech? Where they pretend that their side is perfectly blameless and the other side are always in the wrong? Where, instead of constructing rebuttals to points made against them, they simply yell their own points louder? Where they seem to honestly believe that the fact they're so offended is proof that they're right?
Well, I dunno if there's a word for all that. But I can think of a lot that come pretty close.
what valid points? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOMEN DON'T LIKE MY DEFORMED TEDDY BEAR FUCKING MYSOGNIST ASS? WAAAAAH WHY CAN'T THOSE JIGGABOS BE PLEASED WITH THEIR BLACK PRESIDENT?
WolfBlade is the kind of people that would witness a lynching in the 50's and consider it not to be "racist" because no one is screaming "nigger".
You do realize that at this point you are coming across as the type who'd hurl a molotov into a battered women's shelter right, gargling shit ala Roissy
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....9/#cid:4366697
this is the part where he goes BLACK FOLK, HAVING ISSUES WITH LIFE? OBAMA'S ON THE WHITE HOUSE
greatest laugh I've had all week, thank you luso
however, i cried at this post. mainly because of "me as a white straight male sooooo persecuted abloo ablo aboo"
bravo sir. you made me laugh soooooooooooooooo fucking hard. that's the funniest thing i've read in a long time.
(i agree with you, i think that the way you worded things made it equally valid and 10x funnier)
I don't think Wolfblade was saying that every woman does this, but its placement in that sentence, juxtaposed with that first half, implies that it's an equal problem when it isn't. As relatively enlightened as our society is compared to what it used to be (and indeed most of the rest of the world), it still bends over backwards to justify male privilege. Women who are genuine victims of sexual harrassment will get often end up blamed for their situation, getting everything from "boys will be boys" to "She was asking for it." Institutionalized resistance to sexual harassment claims means that most women who are genuine victims won't even bother trying to fight it or call attention to it. Contrary to what we hear from men's rights groups, there's very little incentive for women to make up or exaggerate claims of sexual impropriety. They'll be subject to the same resistance and ridicule as genuine victims, whether or not their fraud is discovered. Making a big stink is rarely some golden ticket to popularity or career advancement -- quite the opposite, calling attention to this problem is often quite embarrassing and uncomfortable for other people around, who are more likely to resent the harassee for calling attention to the problem than the harasser for the behavior that started the whole mess in the first place. I'm not saying that fraudulent claims never happen, but when they do they're almost invariably by women with severe mental problems -- instances of women making false or exaggerated claims to advance their careers are few and far between if they exist at all. But anyway, my point is that men "sexually harassing women and trying to pass it off as a joke" is an almost daily occurance, while women "making an excessive deal" are relatively uncommon. Wolfblade's phrasing implies that these problems deserve equal weight because they are equally common and I think that's an unfortunate misconception.
As for triggers, I suppose so. This is a topic which I find especially compelling. Hunger and pollution are worthy subjects as well, but they don't compel me the same way, so I'll leave journals on those things to the people who have passion for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I don't point out every instance of woman problems that I see on FA. I ignore dozens of posts that I think are obvious jokes where the poster doesn't really believe in what they're saying.
Of course, it's completely true that both men and women can be equally stupid or whatever. I just don't think it's worth it to add that caveat to everything I say. And I don't think "But women can hypothetically be bad too!" is an effective refutation of sexism charges in a specific instance. In response to your challenge, the answer is no, but that's mainly because I haven't heard any good arguments recently.
>I don't think Wolfblade was saying that every woman does this, but its placement in that sentence, juxtaposed with that first half, implies that it's an equal problem when it isn't.
I can understand that. That actually makes a lot of sense to me how you could see it that way, and I admit I hadn't seen it like that until you mentioned it.
I believe what Wolfblade meant was that the consequences of a false accusation can be devastating, and that's why he considers this a problem. It's not just 'Oh you girls! Always exaggerating!' It's that this is a society that sees men accused of sex-based crimes as guilty until proven innocent. I think the Duke lacrosse case is a good example. It wasn't just that the woman made a false accusation, it was what the media DID with that accusation. For a few months or so, practically everyone in America 'knew' there were rapists on that Lacrosse team. And the media always spends more time talking about suspects when they're under suspicion, than when they're cleared (assuming they are cleared). I can easily imagine that at least one of those three players has, at some point, had some random stranger say to them, "OMG, aren't you that rapist!?" So it's not just the false accusations, but what happens after they're made.
This also ties into his other point about how when a woman DOES make a false accusation, rare as that may be, it stands out in the public perception. When a woman falsely cries rape, you can bet it will make the news, and you can bet the media will make it _seem_ like it happens more often than it really does. (Remember the 'summer of the shark'?) It's unfair and it's stupid, and people *should* know better than to judge a group based on one person. Unfortunately, they often don't.
I've re-written this paragraph about a dozen times. I'm trying to find a way to talk about Wolfblade in a way that doesn't make me sound like I'm simply an apologist for him. But maybe partly I am, since I am his friend after all. I guess it comes down to this for me: I think the journal you linked to sums him up well. Icen says something he disagrees with, he calls her on it, and because she is civil to him, he is civil to her and they end their conversation calmly. Soundhound shows up, and he rages at her because he knows what she's like and because she's goading him to get that reaction. I can't say how he really feels about women, because I'm not him. But I can see by his words and his actions that how he treats people is based on their behavior as individuals. The same goes for me.
>As relatively enlightened as our society is compared to what it used to be (and indeed most of the rest of the world), it still bends over backwards to justify male privilege.
I won't disagree. I've never said 'women have it easy'; I know they don't. I think it's *insane* that we still haven't fixed the men-making-more-per-paycheck-than-women thing. Just a few days ago, they had a news story about the first black female head of a large corporation. I thought, 'It's taken till the year 2009 for that to happen!?' The sheer numbers of rapes and assaults on female soldiers at military bases/schools is horrible, and the way the senior officers try to cover it up is worse. I'm not even going to get into Muslim bullshit...
>Women who are genuine victims of sexual harrassment will get often end up blamed for their situation, getting everything from "boys will be boys" to "She was asking for it." Institutionalized resistance to sexual harassment claims means that most women who are genuine victims won't even bother trying to fight it or call attention to it. Contrary to what we hear from men's rights groups, there's very little incentive for women to make up or exaggerate claims of sexual impropriety. They'll be subject to the same resistance and ridicule as genuine victims, whether or not their fraud is discovered. Making a big stink is rarely some golden ticket to popularity or career advancement -- quite the opposite, calling attention to this problem is often quite embarrassing and uncomfortable for other people around, who are more likely to resent the harassee for calling attention to the problem than the harasser for the behavior that started the whole mess in the first place.
I pretty much agree wholeheartedly with everything here.
>I'm not saying that fraudulent claims never happen, but when they do they're almost invariably by women with severe mental problems -- instances of women making false or exaggerated claims to advance their careers are few and far between if they exist at all.
Not surprising. I watch the news a lot, and I'm fairly sure I've never heard of a case like that. It's probably backlash against the very idea of women becoming successful in the workplace. 'She's moving up in the company. She must be a real bitch.' That kind of thing. In the false accusation cases I have heard of, usually the only explanations I can think of are mental illness or desperation. (Like, it wouldn't be an excuse, but I'd certainly understand it if a woman claimed rape because they couldn't think of any other way out of an abusive relationship.)
>But anyway, my point is that men "sexually harassing women and trying to pass it off as a joke" is an almost daily occurance, while women "making an excessive deal" are relatively uncommon. Wolfblade's phrasing implies that these problems deserve equal weight because they are equally common and I think that's an unfortunate misconception.
Now, see, here's the only place I really have a problem with anything you've said. I haven't seen anything that would make me believe that men sexually harassing women and trying to pass it off as a joke being a "daily occurrence". I mean, I don't doubt that sexual harassment does happen often, but it seems to me like the 'chauvinist office ass-grabber' is as much of an exaggerated image as the 'bitch who takes things too seriously'. They both seem more like sitcom characters than real people, is what I'm trying to say. As much as you don't like when someone says something and it implies that women aways exaggerate, I don't like things which imply that men are all potential rapists. These are both perceptions which are as untrue and unfair as they are widespread. I don't think it's fair when the media is far more understated in reporting on a female accused of sex crimes than a male. (Yes, I've seen several examples) I don't think it's fair that if a barely-underage couple is caught having sex, the male will be put on the sex offender registry but not the female. (Seen examples too.)
(Do you see a trend here, BTW? It's not women I blame for these perceptions of men. The one place I see it more often than anywhere else is the local news..)
And, yeah, it's minor, but I also don't like seeing endless commercials and sitcoms and movies where the woman is cute and sassy and witty, and the man is big, fat, dumb, balding, dumb, gross, dumb, slovenly and dumb. If it's unfair for TV to perpetuate the myth that women are snarky bitches, it's just as unfair for them to perpetuate the myth that men are stupid as shit.
Maybe I'm just not aware of how frequently sexual harassment or rape really happens in this country. I've heard the '1 in 3 women will be raped' statistic, and I cry bullshit. That sounds an awful lot like the sort of statistic someone purposefully manipulated in order to get maximum emotional impact. Plus it contradicts what I've heard elsewhere; that sexual assaults are decreasing at a small but steady rate. (Like most crime, actually.) If you know of a good place to find reliable statistics without anyone's agenda attached, please let me know. That is a serious request. If the research proves me wrong, I'm totally open to changing my stance on pretty much anything I've said here.
>As for triggers, I suppose so. This is a topic which I find especially compelling. Hunger and pollution are worthy subjects as well, but they don't compel me the same way, so I'll leave journals on those things to the people who have passion for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I don't point out every instance of woman problems that I see on FA. I ignore dozens of posts that I think are obvious jokes where the poster doesn't really believe in what they're saying.
I guess, then, I just wonder why. Like I said, I know where my own triggers come from. I hate child abuse because I've been through it, I hate religion because I value truth over almost everything else, and I hate the military because of how much a friend of mine is suffering in the army right now. It's deeper than that, yeah, but that's basically it.
I think one of my triggers is misandry. But it's also _any_ situation in which one group is allowed to get away with behavior which the other side wouldn't. When I see T-shirts being sold that say "Boys are disposable." and "Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them." I know that, even though there was *some* outcry, Tshirts that said "Girls are stupid" wouldn't have even made it to stores. (Let's be even more crude and just imagine the reaction to "Blacks are stupid. Throw rocks at them.")
A while ago I came across this website that was nothing but posts of women ranting about how awful men are. They said that all men are rapists, that men aren't human beings, etc. When I told someone about it whom I was arguing with about misandry, they said those women were 'just joking'. They weren't. Not all the posts were that bad, but some went into graphic detail about how much these women openly hated men. And I knew if this had been whites posting about blacks, no one would have defended what was said as 'just jokes'.
THAT is what I don't like to see. And maybe it's my trigger because I was abused as a kid, yet I grew up realizing how truly evil child abuse is and that I'd _literally_ rather be dead than give in to the abused-becomes-the-abuser cycle. So when I see people who have been oppressed turn around and act like their oppressors, I say, "You have no fucking right. You should want to be *better* than that."
>Of course, it's completely true that both men and women can be equally stupid or whatever. I just don't think it's worth it to add that caveat to everything I say. And I don't think "But women can hypothetically be bad too!" is an effective refutation of sexism charges in a specific instance. In response to your challenge, the answer is no, but that's mainly because I haven't heard any good arguments recently.
I hope you've heard a few right here. Frankly, I believe misandry IS misogyny. It doesn't matter that one is a hell of a lot more prevalent and institutionalized. What matters is where it *comes from*. Misandry is misogyny is racism is homophobia is antisemitism... Fuck, let's go ahead and invite lulz and and say that it's even kinkbashing too. It all comes from the same place. Whatever the target, whatever the consequences, whatever the history, whatever *any* factors, it still boils down to the idea of "It is okay to hate THOSE PEOPLE because THOSE PEOPLE are different from me."
I do, fully, understand that there is much more open misogyny in the world right now, and that makes it a higher priority for attention. That is perfectly acceptable. What I can't understand is some of the people who have argued with me recently, who seem to believe that just pointing out the existence of misandry somehow contributes to misogyny. The attitude i have seen from a few people is "It's not enough to say that our side is suffering, we have to claim that your side isn't suffering at *all*." Which is bullshit. If, for every thousand crimes against women, there is only one crime against a man, they are all still crimes against _people_.
I'm reminded of an image someone made once, attacking the idea of animal rights. It said "BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS [photo of a raccoon in a cage at a fur farm] LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS [photo of African people starving]" My response was, "There's no reason we can't do both."
There are approximately 2178 words, which is twice the recommended length for a collegial-grade essay!
Congratulations, you win the prize (and are a giant drama queen)!
Only nine; I win!
We already know how you feel about women, Mr Reynard. It's old news.
That would mean negating that fucking huge, TL;DR essay he just wrote about how he seriously doesn't hate women, you guys, he just hates how some women will be sexist against men and use it as an excuse to tell women he doesn't like to go back to the kitchen.
No really, I got lost right about when shit started getting personal.
Aw yeah, y'gonna slap that boss ass so sporty.
Too much effort, just too much.
Wow, goddamn that is a lot of typing. Nothing here is worth that much effort.
I've known women who wouldn't find that a sexual touch, since it isn't uncommon for big uber-het sports guys to smack each other on the ass. That's not misogyny. That's in that annoying area where something is okay to do to one person, but not okay to do to another, depending on the sex or race of the do-er and the do-ee, but somehow making those sorts of distinctions ISN'T racism/sexism when the distinctions and separations and unequal treatment are in the favor of whichever group is the minority, i.e., whoever isn't the white male in the situation.
first he claims that tapping ass ain't a sexual touch
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny
Misogyny isn't interchangeable with sexism. They're two different, albeit sometimes related, terms.
pulls that HUUUUUH BUT THE DICTIONARY SAYS OTHERWISE shit
Typically men slap women on the ass because they're a fan of women, not because they have a hatred for them. :P
the man isn't aware that it also encapsules the concept of disrespecting a woman's boundaries
white males WILL be discriminated against, so we have to establish condoned discrimination against white males in favor of everybody else to balance it out.
me as a white straight male sooooo persecuted abloo ablo aboo
and part of why some men come to be dismissive of the subject because of how often women, like you just did, use a bigger scarier word than what was actually going on. So other women, who may be using the proper language and DO have a genuinely justified situation to complain about, get treated with dismissal and disregard because people are too used to seeing people do what you did and talk bigger than they should have.
oh dear! respecting women apparently makes you a scared cat afraid of vagina rage or some shit!
Sexual abuse is sexual abuse, yes, and is a Very Bad Thing, of course, but it is not the same thing as having a fundamental >hatred< of women.
There is an area between having "respect/appreciation" of women and having an outright hatred of them. That tends to be where idiot men who go around smacking women's asses tend to fall. Idiot, yes. Sexist, possibly. Misogynist? No.The term you are using does not accurately describe the situation you are using it for. You want to assume a guy who slaps your ass is a misogynist, and not just an idiot guy who somehow thinks it'll get him into your pants, go right ahead but you are wrong. The word you are using does not mean what you are using it for. You don't say 'shoe' and expect people to know you meant 'hat.' It really doesn't get any simpler than that.
definitions arrlbg blghlrigh bl shoe hat ramming hand down a lady's pants so not like treating her like shit and not a form a hate blgblhhlj ffflvgf bl
oooooh boy! and this is when DholeScimitar gets into rage mode because someone questioned his shitty gender politics
ointing out that there's a world of difference between disrespect, even grossly unacceptable disrespect, and >hatred< means I'm defending misogynists?
yes you disgusting unheard fart of a loser's ghost
...you ARE one of the over-reactionary women who blow things beyond the applicable and accurate scale of the actual offense, and make so many other people treat other, more sensible and rational women, with the disdain and disregard YOUR type has taught them to show you.
ONE MINUTE YOU'RE ALL PLEASED, A HAND IN THE BUTT AND DAMN YOU ARE DISPLEASED ABOUT ME! CHRIST GO GET A DICK ON YOUR COOCH FOR A SENSITIVE MAN LIKE MEEEEEEEEE
Aaaand someone points out male priveldge! you know that thing where society is sort of a shit to women! Like when people go "if a woman is victim of battery is because she's a dumb bitch who doesn't listen" or call women whores for having a sex life but studs to men who do oooor female bosses as being viewed as overenpowered bitches or whatever shitty thing you read on Maximen/FMH collumns or whatever. This got him even madder
Oh, fucking get over yourself. Yes, because I'm a white male, everything's handed to me on a platter. I NEVER get treated poorly or shit on or fucked over, because I have MALE PRIVILEGE. Guess what? I've worked as the only white guy in an all black business in a black neighborhood, and I HAVE been treated like shit and threatened and harassed solely for the color of my skin. My CURRENT job is in an office environment where women outnumber men over 3 to 1, and guess fucking what? I get shit on every other fucking day, I get hassled and bothered over little piddly shit while I see the happy chatty girlfriends get away with fucking everything. This shit isn't a one-way street honey, and while I might not have had any women feeling me up or anything thank god, that doesn't mean that no white male ever feels discriminated against or mistreated.
So other people have decades of their ANCESTORS being mistreated, and that means that when THEY get mistreated the same fucking way, it holds more weight since when I'm discriminated against it's just ME being mistreated, and not a whole bunch of other people who aren't me.
At no fucking point in this have I been defending one fucking bit of the bullshit that men perpetrate against women, but SURPRISE SUR-FUCKING-PRISE, I try and suggest that MAYBE SOMETIMES the "other side" of the coin shares SOME of the blame or maybe takes things to an excess in their response to ADMITTEDLY UNACCEPTABLE behavior, and gee, I'm waving a "YAY MISOGYNY" flag.
Yeah, I'll sit back and enjoy my male privelege which grants me the world on a silver platter and makes it impossible for ME to be judged or mistreated based solely on my gender, cuz no woman is ever sexist. Enjoy your periods, bitch.
m-m-m-meltdown! this coming from a guy who claims to be on the most bottom of society but yet somehow owns a house, a car, an internet connection and art supplies and other fun shit! its not like that there are homeless, and considers racism to be dead because Obama is on the white house
in conclusion the man is human garbage and he made no discernible point that isn't WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOMEN WON'T LET ME TOUCH THEM IN THE TIT
there is no excuse to say this ever. I never truly despised wolfblade before but he really is human garbage,isn't he?
WOMEN LIKE YOU STANDING UP FOR YOUR RIGHT NOT TO BE HARASSED CAUSE OTHER WOMEN TO GET TREATED WITH THE DISRESPECT THEY DESERVE
seriously, introduce this man to a blender
Context! Ha ha! Who needs it?
IT'S MY FAULT FOR BEING SO IRRATIONAL.
Now, get thee to my royal kitchens and fashion me a breaded meal.
...which is why you referred to it as a fact. I see.
"Godamn you are a severely broken person."
"No I was just marveling at the fact."
Yeah, it's a tiny little piddling inconsequential nitpick on my part, but I think it says something interesting about how you think.
Main Entry:
figure of speech
: a form of expression (as a simile or metaphor) used to convey meaning or heighten effect often by comparing or identifying one thing with another that has a meaning or connotation familiar to the reader or listener.
But I guess your severe autisms prevent you from picking up the nuance of various linguistic conventions.
There are people on FA that I hate, and my foremost desire is to NOT have any conversations with them. I don't like you either, but I keep it to myself. Why start a fight just to prove how much you don't like someone? If you think someone's awful, why choose to interact with them if you don't have to?
Here, she replies to me, correcting me on something. She does it politely. Because she's right, because she isn't being rude, and because it's the fair thing to do, I admit to it. I let her know that I disagree with her, but don't want to discuss it. We then both let it drop. And the fact that she did, which was the very last thing I expected, makes me reconsider my opinion of her.
Can you see the lesson here?
Then I was wrong and I apologize.
I don't take issue with your passion over the issue, i take issue with your conclusions.
That's all.
Also, will someone please show me this 1 in 3 statistic? I've heard it flying around and it seems extremely improbable to me. (I am only saying that statistics can be manipulated, nothing more.)
Misogyny edition!
They should get married.
And as far as first impressions go, he is looking like a total dickweasel in my eyes.
By reading small portions of this argument (which quickly turned into: "ipso facto refer to my previous statement, paragraph three, subsection B to find that you're a douche"), I can ascertain that sometimes people like to take that generality too in depth.
Also, I have major problems with sarcasm and the internet. Please, for the love of god, text does not reflect inflection of voice, and highlighting words is pretentious.
What I'm saying is that sarcasm on the internet does not translate well due to the requirement of vocal inflection. This inflection is often simulated by "bolding" or otherwise isolating certain words so as to give them emphasis.
I am saying that I don't like that, simply out of a stylistic choice. I don't hate any person forever and ever amen for using such techniques. I'm also saying that, instead, I would prefer that people express themselves, especially in debates and arguments, in such a manner so as not to require artificial emphasis.
Will this ever happen? My hopes are not high, so I don't care a whole lot.
All in all, the statement was an opinion I have based on viewing both this comment section and the linked discussion. Both of these webpages contain multiple comments which utilize artificial emphasis for either sarcasm or personal attack. It is not considered good form to have personal attacks or sarcasm be heavily featured in a debate, which is what I see.
I'm not asking anything from anyone, but I try to have standards, and I try to uphold them.
AAAAA REVERSE RACISM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS THE BLACK MAN KEEPING THE WHITE MAN DOWN ARGHGHABLALLBLAGLLB
WOMEN ARE ALL SLUTS THAT WANT TO BE RAPED AMIRITE YESOFCOURSE SOFAHLJFSHALSKJFHALSFG
guess who i am
My pants are getting tighter.
Oh and wolfblade is a retard, this should have been known.
Amirite
then again when I think of nerd hierarchy bullshit I think of this and it becomes fucked once you start seeing shit like nerds laughing at protestors being run over by bulldozers but considering some jackass with a katana on a scientiology center to be a *martyr*
Pretentiousness? More like lack of introspection and perspective!
All I noticed was someone arguing with raynerd.
DEETS. NOW.
but i don't think i'm blocked yet :<
Fuck
this journal's comments turned out to be really special
I think it's amazing that I write a post specifically to Agouti, then within an hour _five_ different people all jump in to start shit with me. I can't even count how many joined in later. Yet when Agouti eventually did reply, look at his post and what I said back to him. What do you see? Calm, respectful discussion. If it were just my posts to him and his to me on this page, there would be no drama.
The rudeness doesn't come from me. The drama doesn't come from me. If you call me a liar or insult me for saying that, you prove me right.
Really, you set yourself up for this kind of shit, and your ignorance to this is just astounding. IT'S NOT MY FAULT YOU PEOPLE CALL ME ON MY BULLSHIT, WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'M POSTING IT OUT IN THE OPEN ON A JOURNAL ANYBODY CAN READ AND ANY MEMBER CAN RESPOND TO, GEEZ.
IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE ME ALONE? ;3;
Why are you defending the guy of the original journal? I mean, regardless of some technicalities about that holocaust analogy business, the whole darn journal post was overflowing with fail already!
I guess I could understand you if you just want a reason to mess with other people, but tell me you aren't honestly standing up for the coyote guy? For Pete's sake, he was crying on the far end of his furry solidarity schtick and he's obviously got some sort of persecution complex related to some furrys not getting behind everything every other fur is doing(unless it's directly illegal). He's talking about "us" and the "community"!
Which would mean he agrees with him, which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
And even then, my reason for posting in the first place was that I've seen Agouti Rex post a LOT of journals about misogyny, some totally justified and some i thought were unfair. This time, I thought he was being unfair. And because he was doing it to a friend of mine, that tipped me over the edge and made me decide to finally say something about it. (Although if I felt Wolfblade had been full of shit in what he said, I'd have sided with Agouti on this, friend or not.)
Well there's a bundle of flamewars embedded in two walls of text, so I just lost track.
Perfectly understandable.
>Oh ok, the bumsmack thing.
Yeah... That's not even close to what it was actually about. Read the conversation between Wolfblade and Icen and you'll see that 'the bumsmack thing' was a tiny part of the overall discussion which was deliberately misunderstood and waved about in order to manufacture drama.
I thought I'd throw in a couple more.
Sexual harassment is the same as any kind of harassment. it can happen to both genders and its both disrespect and an invasion of personal space.
if humans had one gender and one skin color, we would still find ways to discriminate against each other. its just in our nature.
Also: tl;dr
If this is the kind of drama we're getting now, imagine what's going to happen at AC 09