Not sure how to go about handling my 'commissions'
4 years ago
For a while I treated art like a job, working on whatever people would commission of me. As I got slightly more popular, instead of raising the base prices I decided to keep the price the same and just be more picky with what I drew, this led to occasionally having 50-100 commission requests at a time when I would open. Whatever I 'lost' by not charging what people were 'willing' to pay was made up by how fun it was to draw ideas I genuinely liked.
As the years passed this stayed roughly the same, but I've recently found a full time job which pays enough for me to live comfortably by itself. Art has turned from something I needed to do to live, to something I needed to do for excess fun money, to something I didn't need to do at all. I don't know what the future holds, but that's how it is for now.
I of course still love artwork and the scenarios in them, even with my limited time to draw. And that's where this journal comes in. I don't know what to do to balance this whole situation. Here's my thoughts, to understand the conundrum:
I don't want to open or even really do commissions anymore, at least not conventionally. My full time job makes me take longer than I feel comfortable with on pictures which I could easily do in less than a week if it was my main job. I always aim for under 2 months, but the job has pushed that window to between 1-5 months for a single commission of any detail level. And while some people may be comfortable waiting that long for a pic, I don't really feel comfortable taking that long.
I don't want to limit myself to pics only involving my characters solo, or with my other characters. Or pics of 'popular' characters like Krystal or Loona or whatever the flavor of the month is. The former because a lot of my characters canonically hate each other and drawing them fucking would be weird for me, and the later because I don't find any joy in drawing popular 'canon' characters, and the popularity/exposure/money/whatever that comes with drawing them isn't currently attractive to me. This leaves one type of artwork I enjoy drawing: My characters with other people's characters.
So now there's a new problem, if I don't want to do commissions because I don't have the time, and the only art I like is art with my characters + other characters, and I'm notoriously antisocial with only a handful of artist friends, how do I choose who's characters to draw?
Enter the Character Binder.
The character binder was my solution to this problem many years ago. It was meant to be a list of characters from people who may not know me personally, but like my art enough to want me to draw their characters. It allows you to write down what I'm allowed to draw with the character, and I can pick characters I like from it to draw free fanart of. But it has a dark secret, I've never used it.
At least not the way it was intended. I have drawn many characters on it, but if it was an explicit picture in any way (Which all of them have been except for 1), I already knew and was friends with the owner ahead of time. And let me explain why.
The first problem is that I have no true way to tell if the characters submitted are owned by the actual owners. I don't want to put a lot of effort into a pic just to find out the actual owner hates it because the binder was used maliciously by someone else.
The second problem is I don't want to step on toes in any way, and the form you have to fill out, while detailed, is vague enough where I feel like I could easily make a mistake and piss someone off because I think one fetish implies another, or maybe combine two fetishes but suddenly they're not okay with that combination, or whatever else. Basically me being paranoid.
The solution would be to message the character owner if i wanted to draw them, just to double check the ownership/idea. But the second I message them, there's this expectation that I'm going to actually draw something.
Despite there being several characters I'd love to draw on there, I just haven't used it.
So that's why I'm here. What are your thoughts?
TLDR: I am busy, but I still want to draw stuff. The only stuff I like to draw a lot of the time is my char + other chars. I have no reliable way of limiting or crowdsourcing these 'other characters', with little to no commitment or expectations on my behalf.
As the years passed this stayed roughly the same, but I've recently found a full time job which pays enough for me to live comfortably by itself. Art has turned from something I needed to do to live, to something I needed to do for excess fun money, to something I didn't need to do at all. I don't know what the future holds, but that's how it is for now.
I of course still love artwork and the scenarios in them, even with my limited time to draw. And that's where this journal comes in. I don't know what to do to balance this whole situation. Here's my thoughts, to understand the conundrum:
I don't want to open or even really do commissions anymore, at least not conventionally. My full time job makes me take longer than I feel comfortable with on pictures which I could easily do in less than a week if it was my main job. I always aim for under 2 months, but the job has pushed that window to between 1-5 months for a single commission of any detail level. And while some people may be comfortable waiting that long for a pic, I don't really feel comfortable taking that long.
I don't want to limit myself to pics only involving my characters solo, or with my other characters. Or pics of 'popular' characters like Krystal or Loona or whatever the flavor of the month is. The former because a lot of my characters canonically hate each other and drawing them fucking would be weird for me, and the later because I don't find any joy in drawing popular 'canon' characters, and the popularity/exposure/money/whatever that comes with drawing them isn't currently attractive to me. This leaves one type of artwork I enjoy drawing: My characters with other people's characters.
So now there's a new problem, if I don't want to do commissions because I don't have the time, and the only art I like is art with my characters + other characters, and I'm notoriously antisocial with only a handful of artist friends, how do I choose who's characters to draw?
Enter the Character Binder.
The character binder was my solution to this problem many years ago. It was meant to be a list of characters from people who may not know me personally, but like my art enough to want me to draw their characters. It allows you to write down what I'm allowed to draw with the character, and I can pick characters I like from it to draw free fanart of. But it has a dark secret, I've never used it.
At least not the way it was intended. I have drawn many characters on it, but if it was an explicit picture in any way (Which all of them have been except for 1), I already knew and was friends with the owner ahead of time. And let me explain why.
The first problem is that I have no true way to tell if the characters submitted are owned by the actual owners. I don't want to put a lot of effort into a pic just to find out the actual owner hates it because the binder was used maliciously by someone else.
The second problem is I don't want to step on toes in any way, and the form you have to fill out, while detailed, is vague enough where I feel like I could easily make a mistake and piss someone off because I think one fetish implies another, or maybe combine two fetishes but suddenly they're not okay with that combination, or whatever else. Basically me being paranoid.
The solution would be to message the character owner if i wanted to draw them, just to double check the ownership/idea. But the second I message them, there's this expectation that I'm going to actually draw something.
Despite there being several characters I'd love to draw on there, I just haven't used it.
So that's why I'm here. What are your thoughts?
TLDR: I am busy, but I still want to draw stuff. The only stuff I like to draw a lot of the time is my char + other chars. I have no reliable way of limiting or crowdsourcing these 'other characters', with little to no commitment or expectations on my behalf.
The only other downside to that is that the pool of people that even fit that category is probably incredibly small, and I can already hear the complaints from people who don't fit that category.
I mean the character binder sounds like an awesome idea. Maybe prune it? If this is turning into your recreation, maybe axe characters that just flat out don't appeal to you? That might help thin the huge list here and motivate you to go through it. And/or change it so the options of solo or things not including your characters are just flat out off the table.
Or maybe fresh start? Just dump the entire Binder and start over from scratch (maybe keep the few that you're super interested in) perhaps starting over would also give you an idea of how many people are still interested in this system as opposed to characters that have have been in there for who knows how long? Just spit-balling the idea that maybe not using the binder system for so long has sort of given you a mental block toward it? I don't know how you operate, I'm just speaking from personal experience. So, new look tweaked options, fresh start
I also feel like you make a good point that reaching out to the owner of the character is important. I wonder if not only should one upload their character into this form but also list like several ways to contact them in order to verify authenticity.
The list might also need a disclaimer about how if you reach out to someone it doesn't mean that you're drawing, it just means that you need clarification. Just be clear to everyone that they shouldn't expect anything even if you reach out.
I don't think it's unreasonable for you to only want to draw things including your own characters, with limited time on your hands it's best to draw what motivates you considering you're fortunate enough not to need the money.
Congrats on that by the way, it's cool to hear that you're successful and living your best life =)
Sorry for rattling off a book here. I hope you get it figured out, I need to get on that list too lol.
I'm cool with most funkadelic stuff and my characters are funkadelic themselves. If you find you're so inclined to draw something with my characters, I'd be welcoming
I'm sure some folks feel an entitlement to your art as often happens with artist/viewer parasocial relationships but the thing is you just don't owe anyone anything unless the paid you money for it. It's rad that you post your stuff here for us all to enjoy, and it's rad that you offer the opportunity to draw other's characters for fun. But it shouldn't feel like an obligation and nobody should pressure you to feel that.
If it makes more sense to only draw your friends characters to avoid weird interactions I think that's perfectly understandable and maybe a good route. It's ok to play favorites with who you spend your free time and creative energy on. That's just good boundaries
One thing I can think of: when someone submits a character to the binder, you can have a confirmation window explicitly detailing that any contact from you is NOT a guarantee of artwork and could just be for verification of ownership and possible brainstorming. That will alleviate the burden of possible misinterpretation of being featured in art if you contact someone; if they get disappointed or raise their expectations, then it's on them for not reading/understanding what they've gotten into.
Another possibility: Outsource the social aspect. If you have a friend you trust who IS social and good at talking to people, you can create a channel in discord that's only accessible by people with a certain role, and in that channel they can post references and contribute to discussions on ideas and stuff. The person you trust can vet those interested by confirming their identities (through FA profile editing, IE: posting a secret passphrase on their main bio given by the person vetting for confirmation). They can also make sure the interested person knows what to expect and that being in the channel is not a guarantee of art (and is just participation in the system), as well as just getting a feel for the person in general. If they check out, you can give them the role to that channel. Of course, this is assuming you have a friend willing to do it for you.
You could also host raffles of sorts. That way you can set the rules beforehand, like what you're in the mood to draw and what kind of characters you're after, and interested parties can submit their characters. Low risk of misinterpretation here, and easier to start conversation with the winners/those chosen while minimizing disappointment.
Just some ideas, maybe hopefully can spark your own brain juices, or inspire discourse toward a workable solution.
Ultimately, it's impossible to perfectly please everyone. There are going to be some that are disappointed. There are going to be those that just want to burn you or burn others by using you. That's just kind of the nature of our species, and the best thing you can really do is trying better to improve yourself to deal with it if/when it happens.
As to the first problem, I think about all you can do is make it clear that it be characters that they own, and perhaps request a link in your form to where they keep stuff involving their character to see if it feels... normal. Just a peek around someone's gallery is sometimes enough to weed out the worst of the character thieves... and perhaps for an added bit of security, request they include a bit of information in it so you know it's theirs. Beyond that, it really is just the honor system... and there's always going to be some that will take advantage of that... so perhaps just 'go with your gut' might be the best suggestion.
As to the second, perhaps making it clear that you're just brainstorming/spitballing ideas, and may or may not do a drawing involving their character would be helpful. Setting clear expectations up front can be helpful for a lot of things, and on your end, it really need only be a boilerplate thing you tack onto the beginning of communication. While it still may create an expectation in some, at that point, it's just unreasonable behavior on their part... which may help relieve your worries somewhat even if they do get antsy.
Another option could be to request critters that might be okay with litearlly anything, to reduce the worry about connected fetishes and so on. Even if you included a section for "but I really like X", so you could see who might be more interested in a particular topic, you'd have a bit more leeway on related things. Maybe that'd ease concerns a bit on your end? Certainly, there's plenty of people out there who enjoy giving artists full artistic freedom on works. I know I do.
TL;DR: I guess asking a little more of those that would like to contribute to your pool of characters to draw might be helpful for both big issues: to prove characters are theirs (via even something as simple as a profile update), and to make sure people are open to what you want to draw via stating that it's pretty much anything goes. It might limit the pool a bit, but it probably will limit your worries too.
But these are just my thoughts ;3
As for the problems posed specifically; no idea. It's been years, so much can have changed, but using the characters of people you *know* seemed to work. Could just keep with that?
goodluck with finding the work life balance, it's good to see you're taking steps to do so.
My idea would be to scrap the character binder and simply make a journal saying you're taking requests, then telling people in the description to leave a comment and that their idea might be chosen. This is what appelnetken did a while ago.
It's not an ideal solution by any means but the contentious point of the binder being possibly exploited by bad actors is simply too great to ignore, plus the awkward moment of asking someone for their character and them getting the feeling that they're going to get something for free.
As for a good way to fix the issue with the binder, you can keep an open journal with people wanting to have their characters posted. It's hard to steal someone's character in FA since people that recognize the user always alert about the theft and it would also give you a good common ground to not be pressured about it, since above all it is something you simply like doing. As long as it is fun for you, thats what matters!
Almost any solution I could give you is a compromise in some way, and would likely leave someone unhappy with the possible outcome.
If you want a little bit of flavour with your pieces though, you're free to have a peek at some of my critters. I'm always more than happy to let artist play and experiment with what's mine, especially as I've almost no limits to what kinks I can enjoy. And I like to think of myself as pretty friendly, so if you're ever unsure I'm happy to have you in my DMs to discuss stuff. ^~^
I can see why you're having trouble with this. Perhaps ironically, when I was adding Luna to the binder, I was actually a little concerned I was adding in too much detail in the notes as compared to some of the publicly visible characters. I actually tried to cut it down because I didn't want to be annoyingly verbose.
I about wound up dropping a novel here in the comments full of half-baked ideas from my half-asleep brain. Might come back and post them later (hopefully in a more concise and easily digestible manner) once I've had a chance to review them when I'm more clear-headed. In the meantime, I'll simply wish you the best of luck in finding a satisfactory solution.
1. You don't want to have the obligation of charging money. Easy enough, the solution is to not charge. But, you know, you've already solved that one. At the same time, it's a good thing to have any easy problem or two. Boost morale and all that jazz. =w= (That being said, if you like the side stash for pocket change, a tip jar never hurts)
2. You need a way to verify characters/owners. That part is certainly tricky. One of the hardest things about having publicly viewable characters is that anyone could have gotten them from anywhere. But, that can also be its own safety feature if used correctly. Amass enough art of a character under your username and it becomes that much harder for thieves to hide the fact that it isn't their own. If you were to ask me, a decent security prerequisite could be that applicants need to have at least a small gallery of the character beneath their own username, and with proper sourcing if the artpiece wasn't made by them. This does pose a new problem that it limits all applicants to those with the money to spend on art or the skill to make it themselves, as well as having a public gallery somewhere. But, by the same token, with the growing prevalence of base packs, it really wouldn't be that hard for just about anyone with spare time and a small chunk of change to create a little bit of artwork on their own. That's where some of my characters started, after all. For starting points, at the very least, you could do worse for verifications.
3. You need to be sure the idea you have in mind will be well received. I'd love to say it's as simple as good communication, but I buy enough YCH's and commissions to know that language barriers are the bane of us all, artist and commissioner alike. Some of us are skilled and talented enough to take the initiative to pick-up secondary languages, but even that can only go so far. Effective communication will always remain crucial, but I have the most luck and best results when I manage to find the artists that break down the artistic process into steps and approvals. Discuss the concept. Make a simple sketch. Get it approved. Add some color. Get it approved. Add detail. Get it approved. Add the finishing touches. Get it approved. At each approval step, you offer the other party a chance to have errors fixed, as well as visually convey the concept as you understand it. In your case, the other party would be able to get a pretty good idea of what's really going on at the very first sketch, and you'll have only invested the smallest amount of effort at the point if they decide they don't like it. At which point, if you like it, you can keep it aside and present it to a different party later. If that party likes it, it's just a matter of swapping the old character(s) for the new one(s) and re-entering the approval process. Else, if you're not fond of the initially rejected sketch, scrap it and move on. Simple as that. Granted, the effort and personal investment into even a simple sketch varies widely from person to person. My idea of a sketch is the raw scratches that vaguely resemble a pose or scene. My wife's idea of a sketch is a fully refined lineart(like what you would expect to find in a children's coloring book). Some artists consider a sketch to pertain at least basic coloring. So this part is a little more subjective to how you operate the artistic process. As we say in the mechanic's world, "this kit may require additional modifications".
4. You need a guilt-free way to tell people that you may not draw their idea, even if you approached them and have gotten deep into discussion. That may be the most difficult part, as you can't simply do raffles or a set number of slots of which you may choose any or none from. Well, I mean, you could, but then you lead into the problem of feeling the obligation to choose at least one, even if you don't like any of them. You'd risk the chance of running into too many of those and then deciding that you just don't want to draw anymore, and that's not a fun way to quit any scene. But sometimes the most complicated problems have the simplest solutions. Take requests as you are most comfortable with taking them, and just be plain and up-front with the fact that you may not draw anything even if you've gone deep into discussion. If they accept it; perfect! You've absolved yourself of fault. If they don't accept it; that's their fault. It's a requirement, and no one should try to pidgeon-hole you for free art. If they accept it and then later go back on it; fuck 'em. Those kinds of people are not the ones you should be trying to satisfy. Your comfort, mentality, and quality are not commodities to be bartered.
I just realized that I'm about a week late with this after having written everything... but I'm already here and it can't hurt. Hope you find a little bit of help in my suggestions. ^w^