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3 years ago
Im making this entry after a private fallout with a person who wanted to debate or question my personal progressive beliefs. It was an exhaustinve, emotional, and extensive debate, that at tomes got a bit scary to me, and extremely emotional for them. Soem of the things they said to me were frightening... namely the stuff that was 'this or that has gotten so bad that extreme measures must be taken"
Itr reminds me of a time just after the last presidential election, where my brother told me he felt that the supposedly stolen election was so serious that a coup might be a necessary thing. He even suggested that if it resulted in a civil war to reinstall his preferred leader, that he would be willing to accept something as grim as an actual war where americans are killing each other.
Seems everyone i know has become insane. Its nto their fault. we have had a lot of people for a long time decide that only terrifying doomsday, moral panic rhetoric is the best way to advance their political objectives. and the end result is this extreme hyper partisan borderline secterian conflict we have now. This person, like my brother, was so agonized, enraged, terrified, and cornered into a very strict moral worldview that any kind of compromise or self ananlysis was impossible. I asked if they could stay on to debate. told them that without actually talking across the isles, there is no hope for a peaceful resolution. I think it would be good if we all have some friends who are our enemies. imagine that. its not easy nowadays....
Im not askign people to force themselves to be moderate and incremental with their beliefs. but, and i know this seems bogus, but people could at least not give into moral outrage so often...... this mostly applies to talkign between average voting block people like each other.... not so much carreer pundits or politicians who have media empires and the power.
But the populating themselves need to recognize that the more we encourage the idea there is no going back, that only overwhelming force of law or power can solve this.... the more it risks the safety of all of us. one of the last thigns they said to me was how beyond evil it was that 'they' are using the rape of a 10 year old to push for 'murdering children up till childbirth!" I had to ask, what did they think "they' want, what these pro abortion people want? Do you think they are eager to murder children? that they want to slaughter babies out of delight? He was so deep in his emotion that he could not see that people fighting for this right literally also see this as a profound moral crusade, were not evil, not in our belief. we dont think an undeveloped fetus is equal to a born child, that a mothers well being and especially victims of rape are far more important that this undeveloped fetus we do not think has a legitimate perception of life that you could call the 'soul'.
And this is the danger of this situation. Panic outrage media has made it so we are unable to accept or even internalize the other persons thougths and actions. and we only see a black monstrously evil creature in a human body.
And that is the big danger to evreyone.
Itr reminds me of a time just after the last presidential election, where my brother told me he felt that the supposedly stolen election was so serious that a coup might be a necessary thing. He even suggested that if it resulted in a civil war to reinstall his preferred leader, that he would be willing to accept something as grim as an actual war where americans are killing each other.
Seems everyone i know has become insane. Its nto their fault. we have had a lot of people for a long time decide that only terrifying doomsday, moral panic rhetoric is the best way to advance their political objectives. and the end result is this extreme hyper partisan borderline secterian conflict we have now. This person, like my brother, was so agonized, enraged, terrified, and cornered into a very strict moral worldview that any kind of compromise or self ananlysis was impossible. I asked if they could stay on to debate. told them that without actually talking across the isles, there is no hope for a peaceful resolution. I think it would be good if we all have some friends who are our enemies. imagine that. its not easy nowadays....
Im not askign people to force themselves to be moderate and incremental with their beliefs. but, and i know this seems bogus, but people could at least not give into moral outrage so often...... this mostly applies to talkign between average voting block people like each other.... not so much carreer pundits or politicians who have media empires and the power.
But the populating themselves need to recognize that the more we encourage the idea there is no going back, that only overwhelming force of law or power can solve this.... the more it risks the safety of all of us. one of the last thigns they said to me was how beyond evil it was that 'they' are using the rape of a 10 year old to push for 'murdering children up till childbirth!" I had to ask, what did they think "they' want, what these pro abortion people want? Do you think they are eager to murder children? that they want to slaughter babies out of delight? He was so deep in his emotion that he could not see that people fighting for this right literally also see this as a profound moral crusade, were not evil, not in our belief. we dont think an undeveloped fetus is equal to a born child, that a mothers well being and especially victims of rape are far more important that this undeveloped fetus we do not think has a legitimate perception of life that you could call the 'soul'.
And this is the danger of this situation. Panic outrage media has made it so we are unable to accept or even internalize the other persons thougths and actions. and we only see a black monstrously evil creature in a human body.
And that is the big danger to evreyone.
I live by the maxim "do no harm, take no shit." It means if they leave me alone I will gladly "live in a society." But I'm also a realist. I know there's no point in trying to educate people who think the earth is flat, and covid vaccines are the Mark of the Beast, and my existence as a trans person makes me part of a Satanic cabal of elite pedophiles. The people who believe those things made their choices, and those choices often end in them acting out violently. That's why I keep enough ammo on hand to make sure I will never be a victim of their insanity.
They don’t want to accept that we live in a gray zone not a moral place. Not a justice place. If you would like to be friends, I have telegram I love talking about politics!
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