Welcome Back!

The furry art community still has some things going for it - it being the first to properly and correctly implement rules to outlaw purely AI generated 'artworks', for instance. That was something that greatly surprised me in a good way.

Shunning and diassociating is something the internet does as a whole, I think. Things have changed, yeah.. But not necessarily because this community here changed in isolation. I think the mindset of places like twitter and the likes bleeds back into it.
Can't say rape, can't post things Patreon would disapprove of if they spot it in yer profiles (good reason to abandon that platform), can't do this, can't associate with that, must partake in a witch hunt on X. Fun!

Moderate opinions and viewpoints still exist, but aren't publically communicated as much anymore.

Hey nice to see you again! Love how clean your art looks these days dude!

Yeah I don't use twitter, more because I hate the format, partly because of the climate there. But I've heard that Subscribestar is a better option than Patreon if you're going to be making anything a bit edgy. Might have to consider it some day.

Yush. I switched over to subscribestar a few months ago. They don't treat artists who draw lewd things like they're criminals and don't go around and police their private accounts on social media looking for forbidden words and themes. Definitely an improvement.

Honestly while I was never really a fan of Patreon in the first place the fact they started going the route of basically holding you to their TOS on other sites is pretty creepy.

it can be tough, especially in certain religions, faiths, communities or just countries, but I hope you can see the beauty of the furry community and hopefully we can all see your great work more often, you are talented, don't let anyone tell you different.

I'd like to preface my comment by saying that I didn't know you drew cub, or any of the surrounding issues. I think I found your work about a year ago in this site.

I'm against cub for several reasons that I won't go into details here. Generally speaking, I believe drawing explicit art of minors is a bad thing, even in fictional settings. Artists are free to explore taboo and controversial topics, but they are still bound to the ethical boundaries of their society. At the very least, it should not be normalized. That's just my opinion.

Besides that, you're quite a talented artist, and from your own description, you seem like a decent person. I think there's some worthy praise to be given there. Welcome back, and hope things get better.

I think there's some responsibility you have to take with subjects that can upset or disturb viewers, or that deal with sensitive topics, but a lot of that comes to being responsible about who has access to the content or not. In the end, the idea of fetish work is that we are supposed to all be adults who understand that fantasy is, whether socially taboo or not, supposed to be akin to playing make believe. Sometimes pretending to be bad or thinking about bad socially taboo things in a different light is fun and one way to outlet stress, as long as we can be mature enough to leave it in the fictional realm.

The thing is, if we want to go into the ideological slippery slope of deciding what is and isn't socially acceptable/ethical to depict in fiction, the entire furry fandom can be reduced to the concept of sexualising animals, which is zoophillia, which is also really bad because irl zoophilia involves messing with a creature that cannot consent, the exact same argument as to why depicting shota/cub art is so bad. People will try to say that furries are sentient by design, but a shota artist could counter by saying 'my characters are based on animals, therefore they mature earlier' and then the counter-argument to that is 'oh but it normalizes the idea of doing this bad thing' which leads right back around to where we started on the zoophilia issue, and so on and so forth.

Basically I've come to the realization that people should just post what they want and try their best to make sure that it goes to audiences who know what they're looking for. You can't be responsible for the actions of everyone who stumbles upon your art, but some trust and responsibility does need to fall on the consumer too. Witch hunting and bullying is only going to make people who want to draw taboo art more bitter and bottled up.

But you'll never see any of that unless you go looking for it, so I hope you can still enjoy my more general works.

I agree that presenting taboo or "immoral" subjects isn't inherently a bad thing in fiction, as it allows to explore different sides and viewpoints, especially against the common societal narrative. Case in point, my 'sona is an unrepentant career criminal, and it's fun to write about and to pretend to be one.

And as long as fantasy stays strictly as fantasy, there's little actual harm done, if any. Fetish, violent, and otherwise immoral work has more often been the victim of moral panics than the cause of actual harm.

However... I don't think that the comparison with general furry art is a fair one. Mainly, most furry stuff is "adults, but shaped like an animal" instead of "animals, with human characteristics," and that's the key issue for consent. A man's brain put in the body of a regular dog can consent, while a dog's brain put in the body of a man would not. If put in explicit situations, from the outside, the former would be seen as bestiality while the latter would be seen as regular, even if the actual circumstances would be the opposite.

Is it okay, then, to draw erotic images of dogs (or otherwise beings that normally wouldn't be able to consent) because they have a human mind? I'd say... No, because the images can be stripped of the relevant context quite easily.

Corollary: is it okay to draw an adult body with a non-consenting mind? If you're unable to tell the difference, then... Yes, because stripped of context, it's just regular porn. It would not be okay to present it as explicitly non-consensual, though, although that's more on the viewer than the artist. I'd say furries are (generally) anthropomorphized enough to pass as adults prima facie both physically and mentally.

I know it's a reductive view: I'm also excluding by default nonconsensual stuff, snuff, etc. even if they could be contextualized into consenting stuff. This can be partially cured by strongly contextualizing the works, although it's at best a limited solution. It's a rather complex topic that reaches other moral, philosophical and social grounds, of which my view is one of many.

Which goes to the core of the issue: Why do I think it's not okay to present nonconsensual stuff, particularly without context? Because it normalizes harming or victimizing vulnerable populations. Even within fictional settings, it is usually not normalized or otherwise praised, and when it is, it is contextualized in such a way to establish it's improper. To present them as acceptable prima facie can carry real life consequences in the real world, because... That's how people are.

What society considers acceptable or not is another can of worms, of course. I'm just talking here of my personal views, and I'm by no means a moral authority. But ultimately, you want to normalize or contextualize things you want to see in society, and vice versa.

Anyways! I do enjoy your art a lot, and I really appreciate the fact that you're open and willing to talk about these things, even if I disagree with some of what you do. As long as you're not causing direct harm to others, you shouldn't be ostracized, certainly not bullied.

Well yeah, that's the thing. Feral art is often considered to be 'fine' in this fandom because the characters may be sentient. You could also use the '9000 year-old loli' argument to justify drawing a young-looking character who is actually able to consent. A lot of the time, it's far easier to make the young-looking character appear to be intelligent and capable of consent, especially if they're drawn in a position of intelligence or power. And yet, many furries still consider feral art, snuff or noncon etc to be more acceptable. But in the end it's mostly ideologically the same, and comes down to everyone else telling you that cub is the worst.

and on the topic of consent in fiction, I am a noncon artist and always have been. Sometimes the fantasy of non-consent is also the attraction. The difference in our perspectives comes down to how much we trust our viewers to be able to process these concepts without being negatively affected, and in my case, I would rather give power to the artist and the idea of creative freedom. I know it's a bit of a selfish way to look at it, but ultimately I think it is better. I also feel like, by celebrating and framing something as being abnormal, it never becomes normal. We want to play as villains or fixate on monsters and serial killers in movies because we know they are bad and weird and strange. The compulsion comes from the uncanny and the shock, not because we want to see this become ok in our reality. I like to use games like GTAV as an example here. Some of the stuff you can do in GTAV is abhorrent on a moral level, but people enjoy it because it's a bit absurd. It's not supposed to normalize the idea of casually murdering civilians.

It's really cool to hear your perspective though, I guess it helps me empathize with the other side of the argument better, but I just still can't bring myself to fully agree. At least we can both be civil and agree that these are never themes that should be repeated in real life. Bad stuff bad.

Man, I'm terribly sorry to hear you've had all that happen to you, it's not surprising you've been quiet all that time. I do kinda get you though, there's been a somewhat growing feeling that people always need to feel better by calling out problematic things. I'm trying to pull myself off twitter and some groups because it's just been getting so tiresome...

It's nice to hear from you still though, I hope you can manage to draw and share stuff again!

You've been through a lot. I wish you all the best after this :3!
It's also very nice to see you again.

Nice to see you around again, there were so many things people looked forward to in your work

Good to have you back!

Hopefully, things turn out better for you this time around.

Great to see you back! It is a shame that the current climate is what it is. I also believe it's important to be able to explore problematic topics in fantasy, and being able to separate reality from fiction is healthy.

As you said, a lot of furries seem to draw these arbitrary lines of what's "ok" without considering other obvious implications. I'm sorry for those lost connections and the issues you're experiencing because of them.

Audibly went "Wait a second!" seeing you in my feed.

Hearing about what had happened to you over the years since we last interacted makes me feel bad about the way I carried myself back then.

I'll be quietly rooting for you here. Hope we can chat on Discord.

Oh hey Flux, nothing to feel bad about, at least I don't remember you carrying yourself poorly when we hung out.

I have no qualms outing myself about this. I am the one who quietly ghosted. Oh. and if you delete this, I have already taken screenshots of this journal and have responses saved, I will gladly just repost it elsewhere.

I find it curious that you claim my statement to be “in some cases, outright incorrect”, yet make no effort to point out which, or even address the biggest elephant in the room, which funnily enough, isn’t the cub content (which you are also careful to avoid saying any more than required), it’s your racism.

https://twitter.com/Furdasi/status/.....61536640843777

For those interested, this is the statement Sheer is referring to as “unflattering”.

I don’t doubt there are some details I may have got wrong or do not remember correctly. We are talking a long period of time that these events happened over. But I find it telling you summarise my statement and direct quote of your disgusting racism as “your opinions”. And let’s not forget that was the last straw, not the first.

I had known you long enough, Sheer, to realise that you and your closest friends would not care if I confronted you directly about this and might have even targeted me instead. Lest you forget, someone in that group was harassing a person that called out a groomer at that time, and you were supporting them and their views. Do you really think I would be at all comfortable talking to you about this knowing what you have said and who you associated with? You don’t get to make the “you should have talked to me about it” argument, because we had talked about these issues over the years, and you either stood your ground or arguably with the racist remarks, got worse.

You also proved me right in this regard with this very post. You have talked about 3 separate instances where people are cutting you out of their lives. Yet you call them thin-skinned, aren’t you seeing a pattern here? You literally sound like Principal Skinner. The consequences are squarely on your shoulders, not ours. The fact it keeps happening to you and don’t seem to want to reflect on your behaviours that lead to it after all this time shows me I was right to just drop and go. You haven’t changed at all,

It doesn’t matter if you don’t condone it yourself, you are providing “content” and I hate using that word for it, for the people who do, and enabling them to continue dangerous and harmful behaviour. And even IF someone is ok or doesn’t care or doesn’t believe this or whatever. It doesn’t change that it wasn’t just a simple difference of opinion or moral objection that pushed me away, it was a combination of toxic behaviour to those who speak out against abusers, and your irredeemably racist behaviour and beliefs.

I didn’t make my post as a call-out, and given how little views it has had, I doubt many would have ever seen it. I made it as an admission. I felt guilt for ever being friends with you, and yes, I told someone they RT’d your art because I respect them, if my goal was to bring you down, don’t you think I would have acted a lot sooner? My post was about finally getting this off my chest and moving on, knowing others are doing the same. So, if you want to talk about this, don’t dance around the accusations I have made in an attempt to score pity points.

Face the music and deal with it.

Hey, nice to see you again after so long. that was pretty lame of you to leave me guessing and confused after simply up and blocking me on everything when I had nothing but good intentions towards you and you had given me very few signals that you could have been upset, aside from a few vocal disagreements we had in VC's, which I always responded to the way I would respond to anyone else, letting you have your say, countering with my points, etc. And here you are, sneaking around in the background trying to sabotage and stir conflict for someone who pretty much does nothing but stay in their lane, because you wanted to virtue signal and get some social media brownie points instead of trying to have a proper dialogue like an actual friend.

Your little write up there is very much structured to make me look BAD. You've left out the context of the entire discussion, which was about me having a distaste towards organised rioter violence and people who use social justice movements to springboard and prop up hypocritical and vengeful ideologies, paraphrased what I said to make me sound racist and make that statement as a generalized dig at all black people (when I was CLEAR that I was talking about extreme activists who believe in destructive methods rather than unification, you even scoffed at me when I stated that I took umbrage to the BLM rioters burning and dealing damage to known black-owned small businesses in collateral, because that's not the message is it?), made it seem like I was speaking behind your back on purpose (which, btw, I wasn't. That was on an active server with multiple people having a discussion. Nobody was paying the slightest bit of attention as to whether you were participating or not and would have continued on the same regardless). You are being fucking disingenuous because you know I believe in social rights for everyone, I simply do not agree with violence and ideologies that encourage hate in the name of fighting against it. It seems you do, which is why you've chosen to be where you are now.

Every time we had any kind of disagreement about political topics and I would take a stance that wasn't to your liking, you would just get mad and throw a tantrum in the chat instead of actually trying to be part of the discussion, and then you would usually leave or mute. I am not the only one who was there and others can vouch for this, and while I would take the time to explain my thoughts and reasons for feeling the way I did, you would just block me out, even though you were always in a position to be part of the discussion, and I always had enough respect for you to be sincere and unfiltered about my feelings and intentions.

We can argue about art ideology till the cows come home, but if it was bothering you so much, you certainly didn't speak up about it at any point. You made me think that you were cool with my views and even you said in your post there that the topic rarely came up and I certainly didn't bother you about it after you told me you weren't into cub. Most of the time we talked about OC's and adult character designs. The social group we hung out in knew who I was, and they knew my opinions, so it was fairly common for us to joke about me being a cub artist. they were sensible people who didn't have sticks up their asses. The thing is I respected you and was nothing but honest, what did you do? Bottle up your issues with me and then act like I was somehow pressuring you? Get real.

The most recent issue with a friend bailing? That was because they saw YOU complain to someone who retweeted a character design I drew and helped with. They got scared, and they took a hard stance. Not because they wanted to, but because they had to. I chose not to name you or respond directly to your post because unlike some of us, I don't really care about name dropping for clout. I just wanted to vent a little and explain why I've been down lately.

You say you were 'reeled in'? By what? I made my stance clear right away: I draw cub, cool if you're not into it, I won't mention it to you again. You could have told me you weren't comfortable with that and stopped talking to me. I treated you as I would treat any new friend after that. What kind of pressure was I exerting as you so claim?

You say " if ever I make a mistake, I hope that you will inform me so I can correct it." and yet you never gave me that luxury, you simply took off, leaving me to wonder what I might have done wrong to upset you. Real mature, real cool. Don't tell me to deal with anything when you couldn't even muster the decency to talk to me about your insecurities.

Drop the pleasantries. I am not happy to see you. nor is this a nice experience, clearly for either of us. I appreciate ghosting is a sucky thing to do, and for that at least, I have resolved to not do so in future, but I do not think you deserve an apology. And of course my write up makes you look bad, because you ARE.

I am already aware of who you are talking about in regards to the friend bailing, and out of respect for their privacy I won't divulge anything else, I will leave it to them to tell you how they actually feel, if they so wish. The fact you are blaming me for it though, thanks I guess? Not really going help you in the long term though.

The reeled in comment comes from the feeling of progressively more extreme political stances being taken by yourself over the time I talked to you. mainly in the final year-ish in discord VC, but also should be viewed as a statement in hindsight. I do not claim you were doing it on purpose or if it was ever your intention, but I did say, in effect, that your intent didn't matter anymore to me.

I have zero interest in condoning violence, but I also accept that in some cases, it is the only option left to minority groups that have tried everything else and have not been heard and have not been given the rights they deserve. To blanket state that violence is never the answer is completely ignorant of almost every civil rights movement that has ever happened, be it ethnic, sexuality, workers, or others. So if there’s anyone who is disingenuous about their beliefs about civil and social rights, it is you.

but I didn't come here to debate this topic with you, and quite frankly, no amount of context will ever make the things you said okay. The fact you can't see that is pitiful. and if you really want to drag people in to vouch for me getting angry when you said stupid shit, perhaps those same people would be willing to also confirm the things you said? you know that I was getting angry and upset when you talked about these topics, especially when we discussed George Flloyd. you saw someone being immature, instead of someone you were upsetting? it wasn't the debate club floor, you didn't gain some kind of victory for upsetting me to the point I couldn't talk properly. you're just an asshole.

The positive things we used to talk about and the jokes, at the time, were normalised for me. If I knew from the beginning you were a cub artist, then I apologise for getting that wrong, but ultimately is not a major point. I didn't know how badly you'd want to die on this hill until I had got to know you more, and was more receptive to subconsciously conceding my morals to you. again, you have to remember this is commentary in hindsight after some self-reflection, not how I would have felt at the time.

So, once again, I asked myself "do I really want to be associated with you?" and it was no. Clearly I am not the only one who eventually has come to that conclusion. you are indefensible. You keep talking about how I didn't address it with you, but you keep proving over and over that what would have been the point? So no, I stand by that you didn't deserve an explanation, and at the time, it would've been more trouble for me than it was worth. And even with how I have improved myself and confidence to talk about these things, maybe I would have opened up, maybe that’s partly why I’m doing so now? But I’m also calling you on your pity-parade or whatever you want to call it, I still don’t think you deserve the time of day.

Funny you talk about clout chasing and virtue signalling, the language of the conservatives with things to hide. You know in all likelihood you have brought more attention to it then I was ever planning to, right?

Perhaps the last line's underlying meaning missed the mark on you. I'm telling people to alert me if I interact with a cub artist. while I appreciate the irony given the circumstances, I have learned to handle situations like this better since I cut you from my life. Its shame the same cannot be said for you.

"I have zero interest in condoning violence, but I also accept that in some cases, it is the only option left to minority groups that have tried everything else and have not been heard and have not been given the rights they deserve. To blanket state that violence is never the answer is completely ignorant of almost every civil rights movement that has ever happened, be it ethnic, sexuality, workers, or others. So if there’s anyone who is disingenuous about their beliefs about civil and social rights, it is you."

Bro, no. Nothing justifies that people who destroy someone's property, loot from businesses all because they're mad they aren't being heard by the government. You have a problem with the government? You take it to the government. You don't use it as an excuse to commit arson or steal shit from Target and what not. That's the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.

What you are being dismissive of in this scenario is terrorism. Just so you know. I don't think you are the morally superior person you seem to fancy yourself as.

Yeah we were put under curfew here because of the shitshow BLM/Antifa "activists" caused in Minneapolis when George Floyd died. Protest all you want I say but keep the roads clear unless you have a permit (this is so traffic can be rerouted accordingly) and you do not get to destroy other people's property and steal from them because you're mad at the government. Period. The BLM org took a lot of donations using Floyd's image and that neighborhood is still a shithole.

Apparently they haven't been getting any of that money from BLM. Just profited from his name. Businesses still boarded up there too and the crime problem got so bad even I had not cease delivery operations there. It was too unsafe, too many packages being stolen for which I was liable for and no real police presence whatsoever at a time armed carjackings are at an all time high in the region.

These "activists" only made the area worse and that's not what the people living there deserve. It's disgusting honestly because at seemingly every other house I would deliver to in Minneapolis had some Black Lives Matter sign or Justice for Floyd, etc etc etc and what have these people done to help the South Minneapolis area? Jack shit obviously. They put up their cute little signs and think they're helping out. No. Just trying to score brownie points with their neighbors otherwise with the collective effort of them alone the south side would be safe, businesses would be back in the area and the crime problem would be significantly diminished.

They kept trying to blame conservatives for the problems there but Minneapolis hasn't seen Republican leadership there since the 1950s and the state has had a Democrat-majority in the state legislature for about as long. Clearly not conservative policies at issue here because we don't really have them.

heh sorry, I've never seen you debate before and i'm pleasantly surprised by what I'm reading by you lol

"It's disgusting honestly because at seemingly every other house I would deliver to in Minneapolis had some Black Lives Matter sign or Justice for Floyd, etc etc etc and what have these people done to help the South Minneapolis area? Jack shit obviously. They put up their cute little signs and think they're helping out. No. Just trying to score brownie points with their neighbors otherwise with the collective effort of them alone the south side would be safe, businesses would be back in the area and the crime problem would be significantly diminished."

Eh, I see it worse than that. It reminds me all too much of the sheep blood on the Lintels during the first passover, except BLM don't actually spare those that mark their homes in such a way. That's right Antifa/BLM, you're less merciful than an Old Testament God.

Furthermore, that part about me defending a groomer, who are you even talking about? You even said earlier that I was decrying someone I knew in the past and then later found out was a real groomer, not allegedly rumored-to-be, actually a groomer who hurt real animals and whom I wanted nothing to do with. So what are you referring to?

If you no longer remeber it, that's fine, I do not care to enlighten you. I have spent enough time on you. have a good life I guess.

It's hearsay at this point and practically a callout. You do realize these things don't belong on FA, right? Go stir the pot elsewhere. Seriously.

Aye, man I’m glad you’re back and kick’in, but dang, you went through a lot of BS. Back in the day, the community did have many anti-cub individuals who would make much noise, but people generally had an “I don’t give a fuck attitude.” In this day and age, the community has become more vitriolic and spiteful, all in the guise of moral high ground with the idea that those who sit by are moral compliance which makes people split up with long-time friends and affect many people’s work environment. It feels like people’s sense of reality has been relatively screwed over the years as more and more people conflate fantasy to the real thing, which in turn deprives the potency of the real term to describe actual monsters. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf.

Noticed that as well. I'm in the boat of "I don't give a fuck" but the fact I've come across an absurd amount of cub snuff stuff on Inkbunny does make me raise a brow and this is in spite of me being into non-con myself.

That said though someone had pointed out that the current generation of people who cannot separate fantasy from reality are the same ones who grew up with a smartphone available to them at all times. They don't see the boundary between fantasy and reality because they're always online.

Sheer, Sundance,
I remember those older times, too. It was different, not just in a nostalgic way. I also still look back on PMDU as one of my most impassioned drawing periods. I’m still a long way off from you, but your style still inspires me.
I look forward to seeing what you’ve been working on!

wow it's crazy to bump into people from the PMD days, so cool to see you're still around too! I still regret that I couldn't continue PMDU. I just wasn't cut out for leading a group like that in the end, and life-ing happened. I'll have to swing by and see what you've been drawing later.

Yaaaaaay, da boi is back! Hopefully it's not another misfire like last year... I was so excited and just kinda got left hanging. :<

or...wait, I guess " a year ago" would technically be a more accurate statement, since 2023 literally just started.

Yeah I have a tendency to do that, something I have to break. But the last few years have been rough with me on the family side of things. Managing any kind of social media on top of that I just find to be overwhelming.

Understandable. Life kinda sucks and there's always something happening.

People are garbage simple as that. Being offended turned out to be more profitable socially/morally so people do that now. Instead of keeping an argument to themselves, people just feel the need to put it out there for everyone to see without letting the other side talk. I understand where you're coming from with people cutting someone off because of disagreements.

I also find the exchange above charming. "i'm accusing you of this thing but I have no evidence so 'trust me bro' and also i don't want to spend any more time on you kbye"

He blocked me too so he can have the last word and make it as spicy as possible. Pretty pathetic.

All in all, if he really feels that way about all of this, then that's his choice. I just would have appreciated it if he'd told me exactly why he was breaking contact and allowed me to apologize for making him upset and clarify my points.

I am SO glad to have you back! You were one of my biggest artistic inspirations back when you did all that PMD content!!

I am, however, unsurprised that you left because of drama and politics in the fandom. The trend of glass-skinned people attacking and making a ruckus for opinions they disagree with is just disgusting, and sadly all too common in a community such as ours, whether is drawing X fetish, believing in Y, or, hell forbid, shipping 2 fictional characters together.

Just gotta see the lovely individual above, utmost cringe. Then again, I am not surprised, coming from a riot-enabler/apologist. These people only win if you let them, bending the knee and allowing them to get the "high ground" over you never works, you can never satisfy the perpetually offended, and they won't stop until they destroy you.

Nonetheless, enough of that BS. Really glad to have you back!

Missed your stuff in general, hope you're active in posting more. I really liked your worldbuilding and designs. Don't let anything kill your enthusiasm because creation is the only the real form of agency that people have.

Always got to love how "some" people stay silent for years until someone comes back then they make a whole ordeal out of it. But then again that twittertard mentality is pure brainrot and cringe so if they decide to stay there it's probably best they stick to that cesspit and keeping up the good moral fight against jpgs!! besides they don't have no canceling power outside a garbage place like that not like anyone cares what they say but they still love to make it known lol
"why not 2 weeks ago, 2 years ago" nope they wait until you come back XD "oh you want a response... Um BLOCKED!" That'll show em right guys!? :>
anyway Good to see you back sheer after all this time, Hope you've been well :)

Right? Dude literally came to the journal to stir the pot. Cuz if you don't like someone enough to ghost them there's literally no point in watching out for journals that person makes only to go in and stir up drama. Even notice how he posted a link to a Twitlonger page that was basically a callout clearly in the hopes of getting people to disassociate from Sheer like he has. People like that are just pure trash at this point. They hide under a cloak of virtue when they're really just being scummy. Got plenty of people out there I want no association with but I do not go out of my way to recruit or "warn" others that someone has views that are offensive to me. It's childish.

"but I do not go out of my way to recruit or "warn" others that someone has views that are offensive to me. It's childish.
You're spot on, thats the whole thing with twitter folks, they do this routine like that to a tee! It works there but they often forget call outs do Absolutely nothing on most websites. And if you notice they don't even use FA anymore so them coming out of the blue to announce a "not callout" callout post and just post it to their twitter is borderline silly, and the people that go "oh yes tell me their other sites so i can warn others!" you'd think this artist committed the worst atrocity known to man. if they get their feelings hurt by the people taking sheers side, maybe don't make callout posts like that in the first place, especially ones like above where when asked what proof? you get "oh of course you forget uhu shuuuure, get blocked" is so bafflingly stupid

Precisely. It's just such a crazy mindset these people have that they need to go out of their way to attempt to socially isolate someone to validate themselves. They really are the ones sowing division because it's like you have to be 100% aligned with their worldview to be "acceptable" and that's just foolish. Even with my conservative friends I disagree with them plenty yet oddly enough it doesn't affect the friendship negatively like disagreements with my more far lefty friends did as noted by the fact most of my far left friends are no longer in the picture as they removed themselves accordingly.

But I think it's partly a symptom of people wanting this fandom to be mainstream and accepted by "normies" en masse. Can't do that if cub art is tolerated so... they make a fuss about it and equate it to real life harm. Right down to twisting Sheer's arguments against violent activism into him being a racist. I mean that's par for the course for a social justice extremist but still... you can just see this person is just not only trying to justify his own hate for Sheer but trying to recruit others to his side on the matter by painting a rather biased picture.

Sad thing is some people will just take it verbatim which is why critical thinking skills need to be more of a thing. Some people are too trusting especially when their buttons are being pressed. Common manipulation tactic. My brother was a master of it.

"Sad thing is some people will just take it verbatim which is why critical thinking skills need to be more of a thing. Some people are too trusting especially when their buttons are being pressed"
Exactly! which is why their arguments hold no water, it's literally just going, well I seen it! I have no proof.. no pictures but take my word! with how manipulative those types of people are it does make them seethe when people think critically about it and ask questions hence the "bye have a good life" with no explanation to those allegations.

"But I think it's partly a symptom of people wanting this fandom to be mainstream and accepted by "normies" en masse. Can't do that if cub art is tolerated so... they make a fuss about it and equate it to real life harm. Right down to twisting Sheer's arguments against violent activism into him being a racist. "

God tell me about it.. it's so damn common these days its not even funny, and it's not just cub stuff either. you can't like hypnosis since thats rape (even if it's consenting) partreon even has that as a rule which is so dumb, same with non-con, feral, etc... the list goes on, the furry fandom becoming mainstream was the worst thing that could happen, especially with the blow up of tik tok and twitter putting it in the spotlight even more especially with those who get off on thinking they're these bastions of moral good and solely live off of trying to cancel people .. And whats annoying about it is how much it just rots peoples minds especially twitter. I can't even tell you how often I see a good artist who's always been open sudden change into the worst type of people even when most were on tumblr there was this mix of good and bad but it's like when everyone went to that blue bird it makes them 10000x worse and it's just devastating

Manipulation is clearly part of the game with those sort which is why it's hard for me to respect the current flavor of "social justice" activism. It's turned into an organized hate mob and that's not what Liberalism is about. I mean the fact they're even straight up attacking things like free speech now and working to 'cancel' people who do not 100% comply with their worldview is like... no. They call themselves liberals and progressives but when you really get down to the nitty gritty of it they aren't. Not in practice.

They are narcissists because they wear their virtue signalling brownie points on their sleeves out on full display. I mean just look at their Twitter bios and they will even make it a point to tell others how they twisted the knife in the back of someone they once called friend cuz "they're a bigot/fascist/whatever." Its' like they get off on it and I agree Twitter has no doubt brought out the worst in people, myself included. Partly why it sucks that so many artists will just post exclusively there instead of a proper art gallery. Not only is their work harder to go through but you get spoonfed their BS politics/activism or constant complaining about how oppressed they are.

Once I saw how problematic cancel culture was after actually being a part of it for a while there I did learn the value of getting out of echo chambers and being open to other peoples' perspectives. I still have mine I stand firm on of course but the fact of the matter is it's allowed me to see just how many moderates there are vs these perpetually angry activists who just want to shut up anyone who isn't...them. So when they speak it's more often than not some form of projection while they get off on trying to hurt someone they once liked. I don't use the word lightly but those sort really are in this cultist mindset with behavior like that.

Like full stop, the ones that turned against me I miss them and it does sting that they're gone. Cuz we did have good times. Wouldn't trust them again, honestly cuz it's clear they have that sort of brainrot going on that. I mean hell a friend of over 20 years referred to me as a 'bioterrorist" because I went to Walmart without a mask (we were allowed to at the time) after I had recovered from COVID and was getting groceries and medicine the others in my home needed cuz they were dealing with it still. I had a lung infection at the time as well and was told no masks till we got it cleared up so there was that too.

He employed emotional blackmail saying he wasn't talking to me until I learned to be more compassionate for others. I am compassionate. To a point and there's only so much I will give up in favor for complete strangers but he was there telling me how I need to behave if we're to be friends. This is on top of the artists who go off telling people not to follow them or commission them if you don't share their political views 100%. But yeah once Twitter became popular it's reactionary level posting really did make things 10000x worse. They are desperate to fit in with the mainstream enough to where they're attacking people's fantasies and trying to equate it to real life harm.

Damn man Im sorry to hear about what you're friend did to you, thats beyond shitty. but in a way it's a good thing it did because it helped weed out the people who probably were never your friend and were just waiting for the opportunity to stab you in the back and say all sorts of mean shit.
Whats worse about the call outs is pretty much everyone who does it is a massive hypocrite, I remember one time I got a commission from an artist and out of the blue this dude ran into the post and started a shit flinging contest with people because a character they thought was underage despite it literally not being said anywhere, it's that whole "well Im assuming they
are so it's fact and nothing will convince" they even have the typical "terfs, nazis, biggots and pedos taste my boot" bio I kept my mouth shut and still got blocked and trashed over it :/


It's very hard to be open these days which is why I usually don't try to reach out and make friends anymore, you never know what will be used against you, or spread. It's already happened twice with no way to fight back because people REALLY love that block button a press when they give their word instead of yours. Even outside of there had a friend for what was going on 5 years suddenly drop me after we got into a disagreement about how I handled my deep depression moods, 5 long years gone just like that, and seeing you've been friends with people longer just do the same almost baffles me with how people you think you could trust just snaps on you like you're total strangers.. I hope the friends you have now treat you better..

It's a hard one to cope with because the bond to me was still very real but yeah with the one of 20 years for example, in hindsight, it's like when I was a far-lefty, he'd rip into me over my politics when we'd disagree on something (he was still full blown libertarian back then) and it's like there was this very brief period where we pretty much agreed on alot of things politically because I was becoming more center/classic liberal myself since yeah I was reevaluating my views after seeing some rather Fascist-like patterns from people who call themselves Progressive.

So there is that at least I don't have to deal with anymore where anytime politics would come up whether by him or myself he'd always just go on the attack like he was right, I was wrong. Every single time except for that brief period we were in agreement.

But yeah the overuse of that block button is craaaazy and it's typically permanent even if they do change their tune sometime down the road. I mean my block lists are pretty much only have people who have blocked me cuz I try to have them be mutual blocks. Harder to do on Twitter since I ended up on some block lists there and quite a number of people I've never interacted with have me blocked. What really cracks me up is some have even made the effort to block me on here as well and here 99% of the time I'm just faving pics and throwing off offhanded comments about a character's appeal or the quality of a piece.

To be honest with ya though I had a friend of like.. a year who I had grown quite fond of and saw her more as like a best friend. It's rare I get on voice chat cuz I hate it in general but I looked forward to the times she and I would. That one actually hit me alot harder than the one of 20+ years cuz it was just such a sudden stab in the back and the moment I asked what was wrong it was death threat cuz apparently I did something bad with a mutual of ours? No idea as she never clarified.

I'm a character collector (whatever the fuck that means as a negative), I don't do art I say I want to do and suddenly she hated one of her characters cuz I loved it even though she was encouraging it the whole time, even wrote a short story involving the two. :P But in the end she pretty much blocked me everywhere and soon after that the remaining people I had kept in contact within that art group either blocked me, unfollowed and just don't respond anymore. That friendship ending actually did take me a while to get over but it turns out she's just...volatile as a couple of others later came to inform me when she went off on them.

But yeah I trusted her and it really was a shock that she turned against me. I really didn't see that one coming. So yeah when it comes to furries my luck with friendship hasn't been stellar overall but I do have some good ones in the mix currently.

However, I still rarely buy art cuz I don't know who the hell is gonna make a stink about something I post online and get site administration to remove the image from my gallery or use their clout to sic their followers on me or of course use my PayPal info used to pay for something to dox me. I absolutely hate that about PayPal.

So I can definitely relate to why you feel it's hard to be open these days. It's like these people need to have control over you if you don't fit in the mold they place you in and when they cannot control you they work to isolate. They'll scare off artists from doing business with you if the artist isn't already some whacked out social justice tyrant. They'll work to turn your friends against you. Get you fired from your job or harm your own business if you have one. They behave just like the overtly religious whackos that would try to socially isolate someone who did not conform to their religious values.

STRANGER DANGER!

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You're my favorite artist ever, found probably almost of your account to see the most of your art, years ago. PMU-E and PMD-U (that one sadly didn't take) were great, your toybox on tumblr, oh my oh my, I'm so happy to see you're back!!! (I miss Dart and Hin, they were so cute)

I saw some comments of peoples who waited litterally years for you to come back and attack you, making posts on twitter to add you to a stupid ban list.
Just ignore them and block them, they're surely not worth the time and energy.

Welcome back! I hope you find a way to draw and post stuff and generally hang out without being stressed and exhausted and everything, I really liked your stuff!

Welcome back buddy, I'm really sorry to hear what you've been going through but I'm glad to hear that you're still about and are sticking to your own morals. Obviously I don't know the full story nor is it any of my business to, but it does frustrate me that people who were supposed to be your friends treating you like that though.

Anyways, I won't write a whole wall of text rambling on about it or anything, but am glad to see activity from you again, and don't be a stranger! The PMDe/U group chats and such still hold a dear place in my heart, and I do miss keeping in touch with you all. Can reach me on Discord or Telegram (or whatever works for you really) any time you want a chat or anything.

Bruh, I keep forgetting to open telegram sometimes and check up on you. Glad to see you’re about. We’ll have to try harder to keep touch.

Admit it was a surprise to see you pop up here again since I had just assumed you had moved to another site or such.

Its awesome to have you back! And I get why you'd take a break with having to deal with all that, know I've had to deal with similar things so I can somewhat relate. I hope things will be better this time around, know always been a big fan of your art!~<3

I'm rooting for you. I loved your work sense for ever, including (Especially) the kemoshota stuff.

I for one am glad to see you around again. Still love your landsharks! (You know this is still one of my top fav pieces: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/6430371/ )

Reading your journal I can relate to it on so many levels it's almost sad. Been in a similar boat with friends who have either ghosted me or keep their association with me on the DL because my political views do not 100% align with the sort of far-left dogma that's been normalized in large parts of the furry fandom.

Those sort have become the very things they've professed to be against. I used to be one myself actually till about 7-8 years ago a good friend brought it to my attention how extreme the social justice movement had been getting. Since leaving the echo chamber I found more moderates.

It does suck though because when you have had friends that you developed a bond with and they just turn on you there is still that sting of the loss. But these sort are behaving like bullies to more or less force you to change your ways by working to socially isolate you. It's interesting because of the hypocrisy at play as these are the same people who profess to be against things like racism, bullying, sexism but they employ those things daily...just for their own worldview.

It's weird... cuz I recall from F-List back when I was on there we had much in common on the kink side of things (we never interacted there) and here I'm reading we have had similar experiences on this front as well with the social shit even down to people who don't post art from/with you publicly because they don't want the association either due to my political views or the fact my list of kinks includes it's fair share of taboo including non-con.

I mean hell it's even deterred me from doing art for a career in the fandom. I won't compromise my values to fit in or for business reasons. That's how these extremists gained the power they have. Too many have bent a knee to them.

I could ramble on but the reality is I'm just happy you're back and fingers crossed for more stuff with Bastus cuz he's totally one of my character crushes :P I really am sorry that you've gone through all that shit. Believe me, I know it stings.

This one who was a more recent one who did the ghosting thing was someone I had seen as a best friend. Always looked forward to chatting with her (and we did so daily prior to her working on ghosting me). I still think back to that friendship cuz I really enjoyed her company. She had a sassy demeanor that just cracked me up, created a race of characters that I adored (still do) and had given me one for myself too. But, she fell into that group and she's cut ties with people who don't fit her mold. I miss that friendship, terribly.

Hah it’s been ages, but I totally remember you from way back. Bass and Mackey seem to be a heavily requested pair but I’m nervous about bringing them back because I’ve changed my opinion about shark anatomy since then, and I know some people liked the internal double cocks, so I’d fuss over how to update them without ruining the original image. maybe a redraw would work?

It seems like you’ve experienced similar issues with friends. I’ve always believed that being honest and open is key to maintaining a trusting bond online, but lately it seems like aligned politics and an orderly online presence are all people want.

I mean they are your creations and if they've changed let's have a look at what else you've come up with. :) Half the fun of being an artist is exploring different directions. I mean if they're external now just makes the bulge in the speedos all the sweeter, ya know? lol Honestly I'm sure I'm still gonna be fawning over 'em as well as other folks. ;)

But yup I've had that issue with friends and for that exact reason too that being up front is key. I have made similar observations as well. Even those associations I didn't have a fallout with even they've seemed rather distant because of either my kinks/fetishes or political viewpoints most of which they at the time would just see on Twitter via my own discussions with other people and they'd see it by association then stop talking with me elsewhere. A couple of taken it upon themselves to straight up block me on every site I'm on that they are as well, others just ignore me when I poke 'em.

They are missed but I ain't changing myself for their benefit though. I'm adult enough to agree to disagree and focus on other things I have in common with someone instead of just writing them off outright. Sadly we aren't always afforded that same respect.

Dude I am so happy to hear you're at least hoping to come back. Back when you posted more regularly, I wasn't very vocal in the community so I've never left comments or anything. But I've always really adored all your content. Some of your character designs are still my favorite ever, they're really inspiring.

Like you said, the climate of the furry fandom isn't the best right now regarding fetishy type content. I guess people just don't really understand that there's a clear difference between fantasy and reality for us. Either way, I really hope that doesn't scare you away. Really missed your content.

100% His work just straight up sealed the deal on my love of shark characters (used to not be into them) so it's quite nostalgic for me to see him back.

I'm glad to see you back here. It's always a joy to see your art. Also, too, always enjoyed engaging with you on Taps.

Its honestly great to see youre still doing art. i remember finding your art waaay back when I started in the fandom and i was actually kinda sad to see you stop posting o.o
As for sites.. i have to agree.. there really isnt an agreed upon alternative sadly..so a lot of artists are scattered across a few sites.
As for the content.. everyone has stuff they like. im not one to judge~ if you like it its great theres something that inspires you to do more of it!
Sadly with the rise of the youtuber, the younger people joining have adopted the mentally purist mentality which makes me naturally adverse to conversing with anyone under the age of 20 in the fandom these days..
And honestly i think we'd all be glad to see whatever you feel like uploading. first and foremost you gotta enjoy it~ if you do im sure we will too~

It's nice to see you posting again! Maybe this is weird to say, but your art is nostalgic for me. Kemoshota is a weird issue for me too. I don't really have a strong enough personality to tell people that I like it, but I also don't want to give up consuming it or drawing it. It's sad to hear that your friends have abandoned you... although I suppose that means they aren't real friends. Doesn't mean it doesn't feel as bad. Anyways, I'll keep supporting you! Hope things turn out better in the future.

Welcome back

I can genuinely say its pretty darn good to see you back, you were one of the first furry artists I found when I just started joining the furry fandom back in '08 and I fell in love with your art and artstyle, my favorite stuff from you has always been the few drawings you did of darknuts and how cute you made them look.
When I noticed you stopped posting I felt really sad but now seeing you again its both amazing and unexpected ngl, I like how you can easily tell you did got better with your newer art but also with maintaining your unique style. Sorry to hear the ordeal you've been going through all this time but hopefully you can soon be another artists that gets lost interest by normies with their cancel culture and just get your peace back.

Glad to see you back Sheer and also pretty excited to see your wonderful art once more. :)

Welcome back, its good to see you again.

Hello, nice to see you again too!

Holy shit man you are alive!

I honestly thought you were dead for a long time, I'm glad you are doing fine.

Been a long time fan of your work and am glad you're still around. I'm sorry the sea change in what is largely considered acceptable content in the fandom has seen you left in the lurch by so many people you trusted. Your willingness to stick to your principles about your art is noble and I'm sorry you get such rough treatment for it. Rooting for you and your art!