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New old FA policy confusion
2 years ago
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Edit: It would seem that the mods are editing an earlier post without directly informing site users. The clarifications help and should have been in place from the start. Some things are still a bit vague but on the whole it seems to be getting sorted out.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10557600
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So that new policy that's really an old one maybe. Even when they clarified it I'm still confused. Most cartoon animal characters are kinda neotenous by design and tons of them have no age
canonical age given. Is this one of those things where it's just going to depend on which mod sees your trouble ticket? It sure sounds like that's going to be the case.
There's definitely cases where it's clear an artist is drawing cub fetish stuff and I've always been fine with a site not wanting that. It's a tough thing to moderate and not every site is up for that. But whenever mods start getting vague or contradictory about what does/does not constitute cub art, I get concerned. I have no idea if some of my own work falls into that vague category or not; the Spyro characters are never given a canonical age and I remember learning years after the fact that the Freedom Planet cast (who all look the same style wise) are apparently different ages. If someone pays me to draw a character that is not obviously under age by design for a fandom I have no knowledge about but it turns out they're like 15 or whatever, what happens there? This stuff has always bothered me so much. In real life it's very easily legally defined, as it should be, and is dealing with cases of harm to real human beings. With cartoons and fiction it's 'a tremendous gray area that often makes no logical sense when treated similarly to reality.
Meh. I'm confused and frustrated by this situation. I certainly am not drawing cub stuff intentionally, but the new policy doesn't make allowances for creator style. Do I need to redesign Ember and Cynder to be less on model? Which of my adult characters just arbitrarily looks too young to a random moderator? I've seen at least one person concerned about posting imp Midna art now because the policy is that vague and her in game, on model proportions could be misread by some rando out there.
Well. I have no idea how this weirdness is going to shape out. I'll probably be opening up some galleries on other sites that are more clear with their rules just in case. Bleh.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10557600
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So that new policy that's really an old one maybe. Even when they clarified it I'm still confused. Most cartoon animal characters are kinda neotenous by design and tons of them have no age
canonical age given. Is this one of those things where it's just going to depend on which mod sees your trouble ticket? It sure sounds like that's going to be the case.
There's definitely cases where it's clear an artist is drawing cub fetish stuff and I've always been fine with a site not wanting that. It's a tough thing to moderate and not every site is up for that. But whenever mods start getting vague or contradictory about what does/does not constitute cub art, I get concerned. I have no idea if some of my own work falls into that vague category or not; the Spyro characters are never given a canonical age and I remember learning years after the fact that the Freedom Planet cast (who all look the same style wise) are apparently different ages. If someone pays me to draw a character that is not obviously under age by design for a fandom I have no knowledge about but it turns out they're like 15 or whatever, what happens there? This stuff has always bothered me so much. In real life it's very easily legally defined, as it should be, and is dealing with cases of harm to real human beings. With cartoons and fiction it's 'a tremendous gray area that often makes no logical sense when treated similarly to reality.
Meh. I'm confused and frustrated by this situation. I certainly am not drawing cub stuff intentionally, but the new policy doesn't make allowances for creator style. Do I need to redesign Ember and Cynder to be less on model? Which of my adult characters just arbitrarily looks too young to a random moderator? I've seen at least one person concerned about posting imp Midna art now because the policy is that vague and her in game, on model proportions could be misread by some rando out there.
Well. I have no idea how this weirdness is going to shape out. I'll probably be opening up some galleries on other sites that are more clear with their rules just in case. Bleh.
One of the YouTubers I'm subscribed to posted a critical Star Wars review and was promptly slapped with a channel strike for hate speech no hate speech involved whatsoever in the video.
When places start posting vague terms of service quake in fear
I do get why FA staff doesn’t want to deal with cub stuff. That’s a complicated paraphelia with a lot of bad stigma associated with it. This policy does not seem to be related to that though and it smells like the start of a weird moral crusade, which is not what you want on a site that has a dedicated section for scat porn.
Canon age doesn't matter, only proportions (which mods can't seem to agree on between themselves lol. The fact that they posted a chart for it and later backpedalled on it is very telling).
It is the age of uncertainty now. When you will PROBABLY be fine, but potentially can be banned at any moment and you can't really predict it.
And honestly, that's my biggest issue with it. The clarification posts don't really clarify anything. Hell, even with chibi style, the best they could do was say it's probably safe ... maybe ... in most cases. OOF!
I'm not a fan of vague policies. More than that, I'm not a fan of policies in which a newer artist still learning can accidentally break. :/
If they knew what wasn't allowed they could just tell us.
(Especially confused by their official statement that cubs were okay for vore, so long as they weren't fetishized. . .)
But ye. . . I suspect it won't be too bad. Probably just deleting a piece here-or-there and causing more drama rather than mass, sweeping bans. Hopefully your stuff turns out to be okay, even in the craziness.
But yeah, after that hilarious, completely unneccessary drama I got about drawing adult Cynder and Malefor together in a picture without any nsfw intent at all I got tired very quickly at those groups of people calling me a pedophile for drawing that (There is absolutely nothing wrong with aging up characters and drawing them in love or nsfw themed, sex is normal and wonderful)
Not to mention the Spyro x Cynder purists raging on. This is so ridiculous I can only shake my head. xD
Do you maybe know about some sites that would be interesting? :>
The main sites I know of are Inkbunny, Weasyl, and e621 right now. I can't remember if SoFurry still exists. The VCL gallery is still up but it is hell to search and navigate.