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Thought fart on topic of certain art
2 years ago
When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down. Preferrably with life still inside.
I guess it's time to discuss two topics that seem to be a bit heated within certain Internet circles, and that just so happen to have to do with my favorite hobby, art:
"Aged up" NSFW art and "Ferals with human-like sentience and speech".
On topic of aged up NSFW I've never seen a problem with it as long as the character is portrayed as an adult in all aspects. Just keeping the canon/child design and going "Oh this character is now 30 years old!" is not only lazy but won't fool anyone. I know it can be a bit tricky when it comes to Sonic designs but I suppose that's why SEGA scrubbed the official ages of the characters (since most of them never acted their previously-stated age, behaving more like young adults) with the exception of Tails, Cream, Marine and Charmy, who are all obviously child-coded. I will NEVER take seriously anyone who goes "well this character is canonically a child so drawing them as an adult in adult situation is still loophole CP!" because by that logic, we should never draw any NSFW content of *any* character because "they were children at some point". If someone wanted to draw porn of, say, Cream at her canon age, they'd draw her at her canon age with her matching design because *that* is what works for them. I will say though, that this should only apply to fictional characters. Porn of RL child celebrities is fucking EWWW and if I'm not mistaken, very much illegal. Regardless of how they're portrayed.
On topic of ferals with human-like sentience and speech; I honestly don't see a problem with NSFW art of a critter that is portrayed to be able to think, reason, communicate and consent with others. I myself have drawn a few things in the past that I never posted involving such critters. Calling it "zoophilia enabling" is nonsensical because any sensible, normal human would know that RL animals do not, and cannot consent. As long as the artists stick to fantasy instead of trying to engage in certain acts in RL, then I really see no problem with it. Then again that's pretty much always been my mantra when it comes to art. Separation between reality and fiction is important and to me, trying to morality police others just because of a small number of troublesome individuals who can't make that distinction comes off as simply an attempt to control others, not out of morality but simply desire for power over others.
"Aged up" NSFW art and "Ferals with human-like sentience and speech".
On topic of aged up NSFW I've never seen a problem with it as long as the character is portrayed as an adult in all aspects. Just keeping the canon/child design and going "Oh this character is now 30 years old!" is not only lazy but won't fool anyone. I know it can be a bit tricky when it comes to Sonic designs but I suppose that's why SEGA scrubbed the official ages of the characters (since most of them never acted their previously-stated age, behaving more like young adults) with the exception of Tails, Cream, Marine and Charmy, who are all obviously child-coded. I will NEVER take seriously anyone who goes "well this character is canonically a child so drawing them as an adult in adult situation is still loophole CP!" because by that logic, we should never draw any NSFW content of *any* character because "they were children at some point". If someone wanted to draw porn of, say, Cream at her canon age, they'd draw her at her canon age with her matching design because *that* is what works for them. I will say though, that this should only apply to fictional characters. Porn of RL child celebrities is fucking EWWW and if I'm not mistaken, very much illegal. Regardless of how they're portrayed.
On topic of ferals with human-like sentience and speech; I honestly don't see a problem with NSFW art of a critter that is portrayed to be able to think, reason, communicate and consent with others. I myself have drawn a few things in the past that I never posted involving such critters. Calling it "zoophilia enabling" is nonsensical because any sensible, normal human would know that RL animals do not, and cannot consent. As long as the artists stick to fantasy instead of trying to engage in certain acts in RL, then I really see no problem with it. Then again that's pretty much always been my mantra when it comes to art. Separation between reality and fiction is important and to me, trying to morality police others just because of a small number of troublesome individuals who can't make that distinction comes off as simply an attempt to control others, not out of morality but simply desire for power over others.
Feel free to point out any exceptions to this if any of you have them.
I suspect that the admins were either counting on artists to "Out" themselves or flee the site due to fear of that prosecution, which some obviously chose to do.
I suspect that the original "New rules" were enacted entirely to appease the continued pressure on banks and credit card companies by the anti porn/anti freedom Christian extremists such as Freedom Cry, etc. , which have already decimated sites like Pornhub and Xhamster.
The paranoia regarding this is not entirely unreasonable on the admins part, as much as I wouldn't personally support their decisions.
It's a shame that the admins here won't be transparent about what's behind this but instead rely on vague and unjustified/unjustifiable new rules, when cub art was already clearly prohibited here.
It's always easier to just omit and stop an entire group then have to look at things objectively.
But that's not a conversation for here.
A blanket ban on AI art here ignores it's many legitimate and creative uses. There's nuance to the subject.
But again, not really the place to converse on this as it was not the subject of this. And do not want to invite the war that might come.