"They're much more vocal and anti fetish." (re: newer furries)
You noticed that too, huh? Glad it's not just me.

No, I don't think the new furries are anti-fetish. Far from it.

It's just that this guy has a thoroughly disgusting fetish that they extend to RL and force upon others, and people are rightfully calling him out on it.

Ah, fair enough.

TBH i ran outta patience for the current crop of furries like ten years ago.

I appreciate those who are just confident enough to be themselves. When I was new to the fandom (early 2000's) that seemed to be most of them. There was fetish stuff but it was more tame, more underground, you had to look for it. Most people just did their own thing.

Now they wear it, you can't avoid it, and your reactions are noted and judged. Its an inversion where the naked man covered in glitter goes, "what are you staring at, freak?" and for a brief moment, you feel as if you did something wrong. No, son. It ain't you.

I can't tolerate the current "affirm me, agree with me, blow smoke up my ass" generation. I don't know if social media is to blame or the post-2020 culture, but everything has become very tribal, very us-vs-them, very openly hostile.

Ain't got time for it.

I used to go to cons, to parking lot meets, to house hang outs. maybe that's just what you do in your 20's.

Now I'm old and grumpy. I come here for my dirty and shameful pictures, I leave, i clear my browser history, i get on with my day. Any social aspect is gone for me.

I've no need to know any of them.

For the most part, there's a lot of "Done With Your Shit" attitude from the new furs. They are quite capable of reading and learning from the past, and the past is chock-a-block with bad behavior that was tolerated for hundreds of years, because "It is what it is", or "that's the way we've always done it".

And the kids simply are not having it.

"We've told ethnic jokes for a hundred years! We've always done it! Why are the kids so upset these days, it's just a joke!"

And the kids are saying, "No, you told those jokes because the people who were the butt of those jokes DIDN'T DARE to say anything back, lest they end up lynched and buried in a levee. You've been taking advantage of the immunity provided by your status, and WE are telling you NO MORE."

The kids are using their status to tell the older generation, "Yo. That's fucked up. You need to stop doing that."

And like old people from the dawn of time, we don't like it when the kids tell us we're being assholes. So we do things like take away their right to vote. We call them derogatory things like, "Millennials" and tell them they're "entitled".

And us old people REALLY hate it when they tell us the hard truth.

See, here's the thing about "entitlement"?

The word means "Something to which you have a right."

So clean water? Fresh air? Health care? Safe neighborhoods?

Yeah, those are entitlements. But business everywhere disagrees, and they are sabotaging every effort to fix that. And the kids aren't stupid, or ignorant, they see what's happening, and they totally comprehend that us old people are perfectly comfy with the idea of selling them into slavery, because FUCK YOU, I GOT MINE.

So yeah. It's perfectly understandable why they're a little tribal and us-vs-them.

And yes, social media has played a very big part in that. This is because it has been the system for the last 20,000 years, but nobody ever did anything about it, because nobody could ever connect with anyone outside of the village without encountering lots of people with multiple vested interests in keeping that system working smoothly. Look at Jesus Christ? He bucked the system 2024 years ago, and look what happened to him! Both back then AND today! They've turned the poor bastard into a cog in the wheel!

(Side note: Before you say this sounds very much like communism, no, it's not. Commies and socialists are their own special brand of blithering idiot that have my general contempt unless they demonstrate otherwise.)

Anyway...

Social media and the internet in general has enabled the kids of the world to leave their home towns and compare notes with kids from all over the world. All without any fear of being chased away by the local cops, just because a bunch of old people don't like young kids hanging around, laughing and playing.

And the kids are all saying the same thing: "This is bullshit."

And they are right.

I'm going to keep a narrow focus on the toilet analogy because it's a perfect encapsulation.

Some form of commode has probably existed for the last 2000 years. Some flush some don't. Some are handicap accessible and some will give you splinters. It's not perfect, but its traditional. And it serves a function. For the most part, they work.

When some young buck says "fuck the system" and shits on the floor, i mean, i guess that's an act of protest. I am sure the internet will cheer their bravery. Truly, they are changing the world one turd at a time.

But a poor person has to clean up the mess, not the rich.

The "hard truth" is most people course-correct as they age and regret the turds they took when they were younger, if they possess any self examination at all. They motherfuck "the system", but the system is all of us. Outsider become insiders, eventually, everyone wants to participate. Everyone wants to buy a house and pay taxes and die warm in their bed and not out in the rain.

I don't care who's right or wrong, most people have justification for their feelings. I just don't invite floor-shitters to my christmas parties anymore :)

Excellent answer! I totally agree.

In essence, the furry community is telling the floor-shitters to get lost.

I keep my fetishes on paper.

Few fetishes are in reality what they are in your imagination.

Inflicting ones fetishes on others that may not appreciate them is just plain disrespectful of others' rights. Something like this is a particularly egregious and rude.

As much as it offended my personal sensibilities, what absolutely enraged me, was the fact that the employees were forced to deal with it.

This is a very popular establishment in a small, rural town. It's a cornerstone of the local economy that started out as a small, summer-only operation 25 years ago, and slowly built itself up to a year-round fixture. They became vital infrastructure during the pandemic, as they do takeout, and the staff are just amazing.

Whether that's some fetishest or just some rude, inconsiderate and ignorant asshole, we'll never know. The latter is the most likely. These dicks are everywhere, sadly. I've seen all too many appalling examples.

One night back when I was still working at Wal-Mart I came in from my weekend off and discovered that at some point over the weekend someone had shit all over the front men's restroom...and I mean ALL over. There wasn't a single wall, stall, toilet, sink, or urinal that wasn't streaked with feces. Nobody wanted to clean it up so the bathroom was closed off with lots of caution tape and everyone was doing their best to ignore it. Eventually some poor new kid working the maintenance team was 'volunteered' to clean it up. The kid was smart, though. Instead of taking care of it right away he went to the automotive section, grabbed a pair of overalls, some gloves, a breathing mask, a roll of duct tape, and a brand new power washer. He claimsed all this stuff out then proceeded to suit up. He then went into the bathroom and spent the next hour or so power-washing all the shit off of everything. By the time he left the restroom it was sparkling.

After seeing what that restroom looked like if I found out someone was going around shitting all over everything I'd be telling them off, too. That's just gross af.

Hah! Smart kid. I would have definitely worn a respirator, though, and not just a mask. And goggles. Of all the poops in the world, human shit is the most difficult to clean, once it dries. It's like that 2-part epoxy, JB Weld.

I think it might have been? It was one of those ones with the filters. Definitely not just a paper mask. I mean the kid even had plastic goggles. He wasn't fucking around lol.

That said...there is a streak of anti-fetishism going around and it extends to even the least offensive of fetishes. I get the whole 'don't piss in public thing' and agree. There are certain fetishes that affect other people non-consensually and that's not okay. That said the trend towards puritanically purging the fandom of anything and everything sexual (usually said by people who almost always claim they're doing so 'for the sake of the children') really needs to stop. A lot of it is tied to transphobia and other anti-LGBT sentiment.

Oh Hell yes, that much is definitely true. The precise moment I hear the word "children" mentioned, I am automatically on high alert and extremely suspicious. Not least of which because 90% of the time, their puritanical crusade is based on PROJECTION.

Anti-gay? They're gay.
Anti-trans? They're secretly trans.
Anti-fetish? Every fetish they're opposed to is a laundry list of what they're into.

If it's consensual, with the legal consent of all involved, and nobody is being harmed, then have at it and have fun.

^This.