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another edit: I just discovered that the creep trying to doxx me and getting cheered on for it had amidst that posted pictures of my two minor cousins, with names and faces visible, right there on the softcore terrorism forum to try and get to me, while calling ME sick. How am I supposed to process that? How far does the "yeah but you kinda deserve it for posting there at all" excuse extend to cover? Are they 100% justified in enshrining lies about me next to personal identifying information about my relatives indefinitely just because I talked in the wrong place? fiddle deef foodle
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maybe this makes me look spineless, but I was never especially spineful. As I say down there, I don't have the options that some people do.
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https://www.bimshwel.com/awnaw/diamondtierror.png
there is a conversation log. you can read it, but it gets summarized amidst this mess.
I'd rather not but I feel an obligation to myself to mention something that has been going on lately
Some guy who i have seen occasionally like-marking my posts for a few years, and who shared a mutual friend, came to me, seemingly asking me to pass along a message. He got banned from a forum full of reactionary maniacs and seems to be telling me, through rather colorful second-language english-: "this isn't true, they've misidentified me." I didn't know what good it would do but I decided to try and pass along the message since I, no credit to myself, have an account there that I mainly used after furaffinity's garbage handling of dragoneer's death because most of that forum's users despite purporting to loathe furries with zealous fervor have accounts on every furry site and browse them more in a week than I do in a year so to supposedly keep informed, and occasionally valid information slips through the abuse and irrelevant racism in their reports.
And so I passed along the information, as best I understood it and as best I understood the request, which seemed to say "this matter INVOLVES me but don't share THIS message specifically." Which made my delivery extra awkward and no surprise convinced no one but DID lead to the reactionaries, who turn out to have branded this guy (AND the mutual friend) PEDOPHILE over his weird fandom jargon that I don't recognize but they do because they're all pervy digital bog-dwellers just like him, deciding that I must therefore also be, and you can't argue with them to any positive end. They call you guilty in the same breath they introduce the charges and then their cronies regurgitate the lines for pages and pages and fill your inbox and your own profile page with incendiary fabrications. For being anti-furry they sure love a good kangaroo court. It is difficult to function when I'm getting that, and I dwell on it afterwards. Obviously. Even when they're "nice" they do it in a mean way. I shouldn't have been there. But I got so many POSITIVE reactions before they turned on me that I got spoiled by it. Don't trust anyone who you can't know.
And THEN it turned out this guy wasn't, isn't even really banned; he has a network of alternate accounts with which he deliberately drops incriminating hints but that supposedly all lead to different people, and I wonder he if actually IS the supposed mutual friend because they talk the same way and like the same stuff, including fascist xenophobic politics, but operate in different venues. One is the artist and the rest are there to post on his behalf and make him look fandom-worthy, and if necessary get banned in his place. Sort of like how nft bros inflated the value of their own valueless tokens to try and get other saps to buy in.
Or maybe they're different. *update* he claims to know nothing. I am willing to believe it. But I obviously trust and distrust the wrong people regularly.
I consider: I tried to do a favor for someone that I thought was genuine, who is anything but that, and in fact supports ideologues who would giddily execute him for the stuff he gets off to, and his response was, essentially, "be anonymous, drop the subject." I don't believe in pretending to be "normal" and then being a creep privately and waging war on anyone who isn't pretending. I don't have that option, anyway. I have personal standards, sometimes beyond reason, but I'm not going to misrepresent myself to play a prank on people who are more like me than the person I am misrepresenting myself to, nor will I lie about someone whose art I dislike just to hurt them.
You might think I deserve kiwi wrath to some degree for using what i read from its past wraths to cast dispersions on the fund raiser. Maybe I do! but the fundraiser looked dubious before I knew who was running it, I never named anyone involved, accused them of sex crimes or gave out their addresses.
incidentally here, specifically https://inkbunny.net/s/1949817 and https://inkbunny.net/s/1949833 are the "evidence" against me. On dumb old ink-bunny, two pictures out of however many I favorited from the same guy in the dearth of most any other artists I knew still posting there, this is the WORST dirt the kiwstappo could find on me, and it's NOTHING, so they made up scandalous sounding descriptions. These don't look like people, they barely look like ponies, and nothing identifies them as children of any species, though admittedly I never watched the pony cartoon, and thus don't obsessively memorize character statistics like I'm sure the kiwis don't.
--Even when most of the "friends" I had here in 2010 cut me off over my refusal to do so I wouldn't watch it. In fact I couldn't even stand the sight of the beasts for years afterward. I thought my getting over that and finding mild aesthetic worth in this person's eccentric fan art of them was a good thing. Now 5 6 7 years on that's suddenly the smoking rubber band paper clip launcher against me--
They're just weird little aliens. In addition to not looking like children they look nothing like the tacky characters I myself draw or have ever coerced someone else to draw for me. Friggen i DARE you to ask any of them, pinderhooks, crazydragon, intricatevision (don't ask intricatevision, doesn't actually have anything to do with me), what my prime recurring requests are. I'm embarrassed of it but I occasionally had would to ask "can the legs be longer? apologies for any trouble!" "If possible, could the breast zone be bigger? If not that is fine!" (I say "zone" to mentally distance myself from what I am requesting). Occasionally "Could the shoes NOT be off?" back when I was less discriminating about who I bought from. But THOSE mutants there? They're short, the orange one is REALLY short, they don't even have socks, much less shoes, much much less comically oversized mammaries.
howdy. I would be glad if I got that off my chest but I reckon it is stuck there for a while.
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maybe this makes me look spineless, but I was never especially spineful. As I say down there, I don't have the options that some people do.
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https://www.bimshwel.com/awnaw/diamondtierror.png
there is a conversation log. you can read it, but it gets summarized amidst this mess.
I'd rather not but I feel an obligation to myself to mention something that has been going on lately
Some guy who i have seen occasionally like-marking my posts for a few years, and who shared a mutual friend, came to me, seemingly asking me to pass along a message. He got banned from a forum full of reactionary maniacs and seems to be telling me, through rather colorful second-language english-: "this isn't true, they've misidentified me." I didn't know what good it would do but I decided to try and pass along the message since I, no credit to myself, have an account there that I mainly used after furaffinity's garbage handling of dragoneer's death because most of that forum's users despite purporting to loathe furries with zealous fervor have accounts on every furry site and browse them more in a week than I do in a year so to supposedly keep informed, and occasionally valid information slips through the abuse and irrelevant racism in their reports.
And so I passed along the information, as best I understood it and as best I understood the request, which seemed to say "this matter INVOLVES me but don't share THIS message specifically." Which made my delivery extra awkward and no surprise convinced no one but DID lead to the reactionaries, who turn out to have branded this guy (AND the mutual friend) PEDOPHILE over his weird fandom jargon that I don't recognize but they do because they're all pervy digital bog-dwellers just like him, deciding that I must therefore also be, and you can't argue with them to any positive end. They call you guilty in the same breath they introduce the charges and then their cronies regurgitate the lines for pages and pages and fill your inbox and your own profile page with incendiary fabrications. For being anti-furry they sure love a good kangaroo court. It is difficult to function when I'm getting that, and I dwell on it afterwards. Obviously. Even when they're "nice" they do it in a mean way. I shouldn't have been there. But I got so many POSITIVE reactions before they turned on me that I got spoiled by it. Don't trust anyone who you can't know.
And THEN it turned out this guy wasn't, isn't even really banned; he has a network of alternate accounts with which he deliberately drops incriminating hints but that supposedly all lead to different people, and I wonder he if actually IS the supposed mutual friend because they talk the same way and like the same stuff, including fascist xenophobic politics, but operate in different venues. One is the artist and the rest are there to post on his behalf and make him look fandom-worthy, and if necessary get banned in his place. Sort of like how nft bros inflated the value of their own valueless tokens to try and get other saps to buy in.
Or maybe they're different. *update* he claims to know nothing. I am willing to believe it. But I obviously trust and distrust the wrong people regularly.
I consider: I tried to do a favor for someone that I thought was genuine, who is anything but that, and in fact supports ideologues who would giddily execute him for the stuff he gets off to, and his response was, essentially, "be anonymous, drop the subject." I don't believe in pretending to be "normal" and then being a creep privately and waging war on anyone who isn't pretending. I don't have that option, anyway. I have personal standards, sometimes beyond reason, but I'm not going to misrepresent myself to play a prank on people who are more like me than the person I am misrepresenting myself to, nor will I lie about someone whose art I dislike just to hurt them.
You might think I deserve kiwi wrath to some degree for using what i read from its past wraths to cast dispersions on the fund raiser. Maybe I do! but the fundraiser looked dubious before I knew who was running it, I never named anyone involved, accused them of sex crimes or gave out their addresses.
incidentally here, specifically https://inkbunny.net/s/1949817 and https://inkbunny.net/s/1949833 are the "evidence" against me. On dumb old ink-bunny, two pictures out of however many I favorited from the same guy in the dearth of most any other artists I knew still posting there, this is the WORST dirt the kiwstappo could find on me, and it's NOTHING, so they made up scandalous sounding descriptions. These don't look like people, they barely look like ponies, and nothing identifies them as children of any species, though admittedly I never watched the pony cartoon, and thus don't obsessively memorize character statistics like I'm sure the kiwis don't.
--Even when most of the "friends" I had here in 2010 cut me off over my refusal to do so I wouldn't watch it. In fact I couldn't even stand the sight of the beasts for years afterward. I thought my getting over that and finding mild aesthetic worth in this person's eccentric fan art of them was a good thing. Now 5 6 7 years on that's suddenly the smoking rubber band paper clip launcher against me--
They're just weird little aliens. In addition to not looking like children they look nothing like the tacky characters I myself draw or have ever coerced someone else to draw for me. Friggen i DARE you to ask any of them, pinderhooks, crazydragon, intricatevision (don't ask intricatevision, doesn't actually have anything to do with me), what my prime recurring requests are. I'm embarrassed of it but I occasionally had would to ask "can the legs be longer? apologies for any trouble!" "If possible, could the breast zone be bigger? If not that is fine!" (I say "zone" to mentally distance myself from what I am requesting). Occasionally "Could the shoes NOT be off?" back when I was less discriminating about who I bought from. But THOSE mutants there? They're short, the orange one is REALLY short, they don't even have socks, much less shoes, much much less comically oversized mammaries.
howdy. I would be glad if I got that off my chest but I reckon it is stuck there for a while.
The impression and observation from you is being a calm and professional artist vibe.
I was considering getting an account there, mostly just to hold my name. Seems even that would be a risk.
Heh, my take-away from this, i you like long legs, large breasts and shoeless? Hmmmm! Nice!
Apparently a bunch of people have a shoes off or shoes-half-off fetish that I became aware of through shoes going missing in commissions that I bought, then later in a suspicious recurring trait I found in a stock photography gallery.
Their whole childish game is all about hating on everything. They hate on the left, they hate on the right, they hate on furries, despite how many them obviously are. They're bullies. If they think they smell blood, the mob will pounce. They think it's cute to be bigots. It's not.
There are a number of things I'd comment on there, but it wouldn't be worth it.
Calling people a pedo is one of the last desperate resorts of people that have nothing. I've had several trolls try that on me here, and I can only laugh. One of them was permabanned almost immediately, and all the rest of them were deleted.
Those pictures on IB aren't even porn? I don't know why liking them would make you a pedophile, any more than just liking the show would, which is a ridiculous accusation. Fanart of young characters is just fanart as long as nothing NSFW is happening. You're allowed to like young characters, they're meant to be an enjoyable part of the show after all, and it says a lot more about the twisted mindsets of your attackers that they can't separate simple enjoyment of varied characters and fanart from pedophilia and NSFW concepts. If you see a child character and immediately think of pedophilia, that says a lot more fucked up things about you than it does about someone who appreciates that character design in a SFW way. It's pretty gross tbh.
I would be careful about what sorts of things you talk about in public spaces if you're genuinely affected by 'anon's' treatment of you. Revealing that you're affected by their behavior only throws more chum in the water. On the other hand, if you're able to brush it off and ignore the babbling of mental and sometimes literal puriteens, holier-than-thou bullshit and all that, then I don't see anything wrong with expressing your passing frustration or the extent of your experiences in public. I think this is probably vague enough that it won't be considered a 'callout post' and therefore will not be against FA rules, but be aware that they will probably try to frame it as such to get you in trouble, if the KF shitheads use FA to harass people.
Getting shit off your chest is totally worthwhile, and honestly there are so many things these types will use as fabricated 'ammo' that it's debatable whether it's worth trying to avoid giving them things to turn against you, but ideally you can just ignore this crap. I assume you've got enough abstraction between your online life and your RL existence, if necessary, that you're not concerned about this bleeding into your daily/professional/family/etc life, but if you're worried about it, it might be worth bracing those people in your life ahead of time so they're not shocked or convinced if it comes up in the fleshzone. I wish you a swift and comfortable recovery from this crap, and I hope it stops bothering you soon.
I didn't attempt to set up anyone else for harassment, though I did have one choice gripe about a specific offsite choice gripe against me within that period that was relevant to the topic. The same sort of thing I do on my gripe twitter account, but usually almost nobody sees that.
I am made of shame, I worry about very silly things, what the people I don't see who never say anything think. If anybody I knew in person heard about this they would laugh. Thank you for the reply!
I just remembered that I also posted my findings related to a long time mutual aid scammer-grifter Falum Gibson, who turns out to have a thread there, and regrettably I couldn't find a more comprehensive writeup about the person elsewhere, just a somewhat awkward tumblr post. I wish documenting the persons who do actual harm to society could be done on a forum that was chiefly interested in stopping the harm rather than mocking the persons' private shortcomings.
I totally understand the misguided urge to find a place to express concerns, but yeah, you're right, KF isn't the place to do that. I'm honestly glad for you that you figured that out while it was still your self-destructive thoughts and not an external problem.
I didn't find artists beware particularly pleasant to try and participate in either but certainly being unpleasant is not one of its goals. Falum Gibson also is only an artist of the con persuasion, but gets his/her/its fraudulent pleas for donations shared by enough of the visual kind to perhaps qualify for inclusion.
I do think fur affinity could handle its own affairs plenty well better than it does, and as long as it doesn't people are going to keep looking outside of it to try and find out what is really going on, particularly if they are afraid to discuss it here, as plenty of folks are, and risk ending up at sketchier locations. Whoever owns this heap now owes it to everyone, moreso than ever after taking so much of their money, to be more mature about pretty much everything than has previously been the case.