Damn man, that’s rough on how stupid they are denying you access of income

Once again the puritanical busybodies ruin a perfectly good platform for porn artists.

And yet, it's these SAME BANKS that push DEI... almost like there's a very seriously diabolical agenda going on with the WEF...

Maybe central banks were a horrible idea after all?

DEI doesn't really have anything to do with this topic, though? This is more about evangelical politicians in America wanting to use the porn/sex work industry as a stepping stone to exercise control over others, especially LGBT folks. Sort of like how the "war on drugs" was just an excuse to arrest and silence leftists and minorities by associating them with weed and crack. "First they came for the socialists" and all that.

Global credit card companies don't listen to evangelicals. They listen those who give them money... like the central banks. Who are not run by ANY evangelicals. They listen to giant corporations like Blackrock and Vanguard, who control $80 TRILLION in assets combined. Those two corporations are run by WEF leaders, such as Larry Fink of Blackrock, who is MASSIVELY in favor of curtailing ALL free speech in opposition to his vision of a global world order. I mean, he friggin stood on a podium and was recorded live talking all about his 'evil overlord'-level plans to a cheering audience of fellow despots.

As for the 'war on drugs', that began all the way back in the 1930's under FDR. The UN fully joined the effort in 1961 with 'Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs'. Again, a GLOBALIST effort that the evangelists simply glommed onto after it had been in the works for decades.

Also, keep in mind that these credit card companies have no problem with the 'escort services', which EVERYONE knows what really goes on.

They also don't seem to have a problem with Onlyfans (which accepts pretty much all major credit cards), and a whole lot of other online smut involving ACTUAL LIVE PEOPLE. I've been digging around for some time, and find a lot of major inconsistencies in these policies. They're attacking adult artwork, while ignoring real-life stuff. I suspect it's nothing more than a smokescreen to give themselves a false halo while they still eagerly chase the BIG BUCKS... including those super-rich CEOs who spend $50k and upward on a SINGLE NIGHT with an 'escort'.

If you found inconsistencies in the policies, then take them to court over it. In court the truth always wins eventually.

Did they say they did it because of banks? if they didn't that's just an assumption.

I wonder if this whole deal will eventually lead to another payment system getting established next to the current ones like VISA etc.. There is so much money to make with NSFW related transactions, there is no way someone will let the opportunity slip just like that.

I think it will eventually come. People are not blind to the money but the issue comes with the need of moderation.
Companies don't want to pay staff to overlook issues, because that hurts the bottom line of needing to earn more and more money every year. That's why places like Twitter, TikTok, Steam, Kick, Epic Game Store etc. are such cesspools of awful content and sometimes downright illegal stuff.
Opening up to pornographic content would need moderation so its not used for illegal stuff like prostitution, CP or other illegal content and no one's willing to put down those resources to moderate and earn good on all that sweet NSFW mula.

I do think its inevitable that something that just says "Fuck it, everything goes" comes around in terms of a payment method but its going to be seedy and untrustworthy, kinda like Kick is today for streaming. Because they are not going to moderate it and likely be caught in many scandals.

But god knows when that time will come.

Yeh I can totally see that too, very valid points. Plus there is not quite enough pressure right now to make such a step yet, we're more in the "considering and plotting" stage. It'll be inevitable though with these developments. Eventually you'll have such a huge audience looking for that kind of solution that it'll become attractive enough for someone to make it, but as you said it would likely be a Kick-like solution. The better scenario would be for the established systems to paddle back, whatever the reason may be.

The one thing i am hopeful for is that one such system comes around, proves how lucrative and how much money there is in NSFW content that other companies like Visa, Mastercard and finally PayPal just give in and allow NSFW things in transactions.
Because right now, since it has to be "secret" there's no way of knowing how large the transactions for NSFW content is. But if something focused souly on that content comes and goes "We made 10 billion in profit on the first year, this was only on NSFW related transactions" banks would start to get interested, and if that company is like a kick version of banking then they'd see themselves as having an advantage being pre-established and "trustworthy" as far as transaction related companies go.
So that newbie might have to walk for everyone else to run.

Plus, when such a payment path established, many of those people who currently simply hope to not get "caught" might preemptively turn to these services, causing a huge loss for VISA etc. if no action is taken. I bet like you that the NSFW industry is actually huge and then everyone suddenly realizes just how huge it is. Let's see how it goes.

The banking system and paypal are corrupted by far right figures and religious nuts which is a factor. Visa/Mastercard have a stranglehold on small payment system and if you look at history, banks long had ties to the catholic church going back to the first banks in the middle ages. While the Vatican lost as much of its pull in modern times there are still religious types in the c-suites, on the boards, or major investors who feed these anti porn pushes. Don't believe me? Look up Visa's "Blasphemy" policy (https://www.engadget.com/2015-12-02.....-industry.html).

They have been tightening their grip of late and trying to push their twisted ideas of morality on others. The only alternative right now is crypto which is a minefield of scammers, grifters and unstable prices. Some people are turning to dodgy places like Boosty (mainly artists in Russia these days due to sanctions) or others as a result. Its a real mess...

Perfectly spoken, couldn't have described what's happening better myself. Especially since I must be careful what I even comment here; Furaffinity is so authoritarian any little thing out of place I may not even realize upsets someone may get me suspended again, that's been a source of stress for years now.

Can hopefully say this much on your point though: It's so ironic that officially authoritarian nations like Russia have a higher chance of coming up with a payment system that might allow artists in the "free West" to create art and get donations for it again. To be clear I'm not supporting anyone in any other way, the wars happening right now are dark and bloody and sad and all. Just saying what a weird situation we find ourselves in: Western banks and payment systems were taken over by crazy cults from the previous century, while BRICS nations are discussing currency and payment systems that can be solid against sanctions... which sure they also desire to get away with with some bad stuff, but such a currency may be what saves artists in the West, because the people here that we foolishly trusted did what we only expected from those authoritarians. What a messed up timeline!

Every time I pay through Boosty my cards get shut down, no matter how many times I tell the bank to fuck off. Dx

I haven't had that yet, but I haven't had an artist ask to use it for quite a few months, maybe they are blocking it now because they fear Vladimir Putin will fund his war on the back of furry porn.

Amen to that... let us hope so, it can't come soon enough! I believe the core issue it all stems from is that for some unthinkable reason, society still thinks "porn bad" and is terrified of sexual content even art up to the current year of 2024: This world is so far behind things it was supposed to get past during the 1990's at the latest! Because society refused to evolve past certain doctrines and beliefs at the rate many of us thought it would, technology has gotten well ahead of cultural evolution; We have the tech for a fully open internet yet some have to constantly attack and try to censor it over fears of what sexual thing someone might be enjoying. For this and many reasons the world is ripping itself apart right now, it's both tragic and ridiculous.

Does e-junkie work for animations? Otherwise creators might have to create their own websites or something.

The Paypal thing is kind of ridiculous too. Patreon (for all its flaws) still allows adult content and for payment to go through Paypal somehow. I'm not sure how, since Paypal doesn't seem to allow it in other places.

You'd think by now there'd be a specific branch of banking for adult content. Banks love money, it's so weird they don't love NSFW money.

Patreon has removed some vore artists of late. Even DeviantArt has been cracking down too, removing vore and size play artists en-mass a year or two ago so they can continue to use paypal and the like for people to buy shit on their crap website.

Doubt they actually know what that is unless it's some fearmongering they read online someone may have casually linked them to one night. From what I can tell is happening on platforms like Youtube, they're primarily going after anything associated with the furry community, seeing YT randomly removes most animations containing dragons / anthros if they don't like the art style or an artist making them. Crazy people got their hands on most services and platforms, and like an angry child with a dangerous toy are weaponizing them against whoever or whatever their employees happen not to like that day, as no sound people could be bothered to lift a finger and stop them from taking a whole world over.

As far as I know Paypal kind of owns Patreon, so they're an exception. But they still ban artists there from time to time. Plus there's a risk of losing your Paypal account because of that. So Paypal is not the safest option especially if you're from a thirteenth world country.

A few years ago I'd never imagine I'll live to see crazed cultists taking over banks and online platforms and even governments to persecute artists using bizarre medieval morality laws, but that's humanity and what any sound being must deal with for having anything to do with this broken society. I'm not sure what will work in the future: Patreon has gone down the same toilet, I had to stop using it due to their unacceptable demands to preform identity theft on my person, if it wasn't that they'd have likely shut down my page over heretical artwork as has happened to others... SubscribeStar still exists and is doing well so far, long as it holds... crypto is full of scams these days so anything based on that is hard to recommend unless you know what you're doing. Can only hope we'll live to see sanity return to this world again if that's ever possible, good luck!

It's amusing seeing just how many here forgot why SubscribeStar is the current go to in the first place.
Sucks to see another platform, well, deplatformed you for providing good content to paying customers. I hope you can still get by well enough and grow!

at least SubscribeStar has a one time payment system

Patreon nukes vore artists without warning already.

Honestly, with the fact like 160 countries are about to jump on the BRICs financial system, I suspect the ability of payment processors to try to control content on the internet is going to collapse within a few years even if nothing can manage to break through the systems we have now. Nobody's going to care much about dollars and censorship when the financial control loses its grip.

Is it possible you could use OnlyFans as an alternative?

I don't know. I guess I'll have to find out.

Wait they blocked you on vore alone?

There was also AV and unbirth but who knows the reason was fetish content what kind is not specified.

thats a shame, I mainly bought your stuff on gumroad, I don't even remember my Subscribe star log in, unless my browser remembers it

Mm courage a vous

The russian artists I know seem to use mostly boosty and hipolink these days. I've also seen easystart floating around. They take a large cut for their fee though.
I had the opposite problem of someone below. My experience was that my bank blocked all the purchase attempts by default, so I had to call them and ask them to mark it as not suspicious, and haven't had any problems on my end after that.

Itch.io has no problem with adult content, it's where most of the people who got kicked off Gumroad are going. and considering the breadth of stuff on there I think it'll be safe for a while.

Heya Untied.

This really is a shame about the Gumroad thing, but they have been cracking down on that a lot lately. Felt like a matter of time on this front.

Have you tried Ko-Fi? Its similar to Gumroad in a lot of ways, but as far as I can tell it still allows for NSFW uploads and purchases. I currently use it to give out my Gulp! Transition for Open Broadcast Software, and I have bought a LOT of NSFW VRChat models over there.

It might take some time to rebuild your portfolio, but it might be worth looking into. There's also an option for people to leave a tip, or "buy a coffee" as the site calls it.

Ko-Fi banned me for even having a page linked that has NSFW stuff, without having ever made an actual NSFW post haha. Their policies are really strict, do recommend to read if you haven't: https://help.ko-fi.com/hc/en-us/art.....BDXXPBRBK7MDT6

If you're lazy though, I guess the only important quote is: "The NSFW tag does not provide an option for pornography or sexually explicit nudity", which is almost all NSFW furry content I know.

Just trying to help by dropping suggestions. Geez…

You're not being attacked, Kiva's just trying to help too. : 3 It's unfortunate that Ko-Fi isn't safe either but we have to know the facts and keep looking.

Hey Untied, bit late to the party, but would Payhip be a suitable alternative to Gumroad?

You can use itch.io.

Itch.io is still an option... but i'm just annoyed that this keeps happening.