other people get 8.50 the ho u r, this guy in the other hand...

8.50 an hour is hard for anyone to survive on. A lot of folks charge more than this. People deserve to be able to make a living. If it was a crappy deal, he'd have no clients. If you don't want to pay that much, you don't have to.

ah, the usual "if you dont like it, you dont have to do it" answer.
8.50 is sure not a lot, we still talk about € in my cases sample. of course its the "bare minimum" but i gave that as sample - most people over here are still good with 12-15€ a hour.
A h o u r.

So yea, bout that. i can say what ever i want there, if i "want" it or "not". Im a realist and people can now go and add the fact that art is luxury if you want to add "another great excuse". With that said, let me make a L i n e on paper and sell it to the german bank holding, might be worth a lot more than you think... (that was an actual sample: https://banner2.cleanpng.com/201808.....5785d04b0.webp )

I find this to be a lame and nonsensical response, much like your original comment. Of course you can say whatever you want, but it's insulting to Ratcha, and you're making yourself look like a jerk. It's rather embarrassing to watch.

you dont say...
Of course i look like a jerk if i talk down like this. ever thought about that people have different moods in how they like to answer?
sarcasm? ironic?
Oh BOI no, am i right...
"someone is spilling the beans, how could be"
Srsly, if i wanna talk like i have a stick up my ass, i go to the next blue oyster bar.

Whatever, dude.

He reeks so bad of jealousy I can smell it from another country

I've run into this guy before. He always seems to be a crank. There's obviously no point in arguing with someone who has no sense of logic or how to be even basically sympathetic to others.

than why you began in the first place.

Srsly, if you say im missing logic, 1.66 a minute is logic for you? Ah yea, mhm. whats next? "jealous"? the "i dont have to like it" comment? "Mind your own business"?

Srsly, peopel have to come up with something better than this. "Art is luxury, get gut, why do you mind, etc" all that shit from fanboys and co is just sugar for my cup of coffee i throw into the dumpster anyway. Im more a tea person anyway.

Yeah under 2 bucks a minute is pretty good. Oh wait I charge around a hundred bucks hour for near anything I do. So comparable. Your just messing up his space with your whining. And yes I recognize I'm adding to the trash here. (Sorry ratcha)
Tldr jealousy.

another one of this jealous-post guys? why are you here again? did you BUY a something from the artist or not? OR are you just here to make a comment not even i care about?

If i woudl envy something, it would be my dick because hes having a low hanging profile, deal with that.

Sorry but same for you as for the others already: if you want attention, go look somewhere else.

Hun grow up and act less like a spoiled 9 year old. *Hugs and kisses*

i take it.

ah yes, next argument i saw comming, "this guy is just jealous"
You know, im so jealous my PS5 is laughing with me right now.
Im so jealous, even my rolex watch cracks up.

dayum if im so jealous, i wonder what sense of humor you have. Oh right. None.
if you look for attention, pay this artist a commission, print it on the wall and tell people how much money you got this picture for.

done. there.

Oh, this only accounts for actual drawing time.
If I count communication, referencing, taking breaks and other downtime it's closer to $40/hour.

imagen being a detist now and charge 40 just for saying hello to your patient (this is an insider btw)...

though, i duno how the differ of € and $ actually "is" right now, might is closer to be legit than anything else. again, duno right now, someone might needs to look that up.

So look it up then?

no. because whatever dude. People can do that if they want, im no parent.

It's like a social experiment on how much crap people will tolerate

The fact that people are bitching about this is laughable to me. People are paying for the immediate turnover, and the rendering style of an artist they like. Ratcha is charging this price not out of the blue, but to answer a demand to fit a niche. Weighing the time spent doing that vs. their own personal work and other commissions they may or may not have.

Am I gonna pay for it? Dear god no. It's way outside of my price range, and I have other expenses to worry about. But people can and will. And if they won't, Ratcha just won't get any takers. But clearly that second scenario hasn't happened yet, has it?

"The fact that people are bitching about this is laughable to me. People are paying for the immediate turnover, and the rendering style of an artist they like."
"Am I gonna pay for it? Dear god no."

aka
"SHUT UP! YOU ARE NOT GOOD STOP BITCHING NOAAW! i dont pay for it anyway so..."


*drips tea*

you saying bro...we live in a free country and i can "bitch" as much as i want. people which do said jobs for "normal" prices should stop working for said prices and go also on with their life in such price range as well than. guess how much YOU as "costumer" would just pay for a Liter of milk than. I can tell you, way more YOU as person could think of.

anything else you wanna talk about if not DIRECTLY with me? Hm?


srsly if you all want attention, go sniff on my profile than but dont expect mercy there. I only left my comment because im at least HONEST if you think about people which are WORKING their asses of for money like, as said sample, 8.50 an hour. Is that wrong than to keep shut?

No, let me get a quote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR1maJl.....amp;name=large

You're dripping something, but it looks more yellow than most tea I'm accustomed to!

You didn't leave an "honest" comment, you left a snarky one :P And proceeded to go on a continuing tirade anout some nonsense about making money and this arbitrary 8.50 an hour and this and that. Move on, my friend.

Why are you talking about going on your profile? What does that have to do with me encouraging Ratcha to do their thing? If I wanted to talk TO you, I'd have replied like the others did. I was leaving a comment to encourage them, rather than the vitriol you're "dripping"

I'm also not clickong on any link you're sending lol

a shame but i agress.

Looking at the examples, it seems crazy that people would complain over a 2-character porn image with close-up shot that's hatch shaded for $116. Or $69 for single pin-up character with shading.

I don't think people are getting that you are very fast and talented and are assuming they just get, like, a black and white sketch for $100+. Well, that and unfortunately people are use to the standard furry underpricing. >_<;;;

We are not talking about art pieces, we are talking about money per minute. thats a differ. I see Ratchas work worth as it is and that should be MORE than as respected.

though,
as i said, i know people which work for 8.50€ a hour and if you dont think thats real, go for google and look up the minimum income you can have in germany. Granted, the "middle" i would say is sure between 12-15€ the hour but again, we are talking about that and not art.

i think a lot people dont understand my point and do a fuzz about, looking up at the whole section already. I would sure pay ratchas prices as is as for a piece of art but sure not for "per min". This has nothing to do with "underpricing" anyway, imagen i would build a house and say after 3 weeks of work "well they only cold pay me THAT much" and just stop with barely the basement done. People pay for finished products nowerdays and dont buy "a cat in the sack" (its a german saying, i look for a equal one in english..."Buy a pig in a poke" google says).
A lot dont "see" the work behind art (or...games...) anymore and just want the art done, others just use artists like a freaking branding so they can get some socialpoints up their ass.

Sorry my wording but you can already see i grow sick of such stuff, repeating myself over and over only exhausts me and i only try explain myself wile i spin in the same devils circle.
Again, i dont wanna do harm but if people come with the usual stuff - like being fanboys or bitching about things like "if you dont like it, dont care", "youre just envy", "get on this artists level", all that stuff feels like such people dont really care about real critique someone is saying. Again, Ratchas prices "per art" is fine and im glad someone DOES get so far not only by using copyrighted characters like many many other "artists" do nowadays. I wish only more like ratcha would see and understand that.

But than again, as i posted it before, and i will link it here again: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/58573093/

and thats what is so sad about this whole thing.

You can't just separate the prices from the pieces like that. Especially when the person is posting an example of expectations for it. Yeah, it's more flexible/risky as you may get less but you may also get more than expected.

8.5 € looks to be about 9.20 USD. That's technically higher than our federal mandated minimum wage, but extremely below the lowest living wage in the states.

"we are talking about that and not art."

Well there's a concern, considering that price given is not that high. :/

Your comparison of building a house is largely flawed. One, because there are PLENTY of jobs that pay by the hour, not by the project. But also that only building part of a house in your comparison means the whole thing is unable. That's not the same for this type of art. There's no defined "end" point where a drawing is "usable" and before it isn't. Well, maybe if it's literally just the rough armature, but I've never really seen anyone sell that. Looking at Ratcha's examples, all of those could be considered finished art. What you are worried about is that the artist is not aware of their own ability well enough to only undertake an imagine they could finish in the time frame given in. Which, I do think that is a fair concern with newer artists. But I think less risky for more established ones. Especially if they've done this style of commission before.

But, honestly, the "if you don't like it, don't do" is kinda a fair reply. Some people are gonna be okay with the risk, others aren't. But stating that it's wrong or comparing "well, this person does this amount" is not really going to be welcomed. Especially if you think that link is relevant, as that only adds to a sense of arrogance and condescension presented here.

I think part of it is that your posts aren't coming off as simply critiques and concerns. They come off as though it's wrong for someone to do this at all. And that's, well, just not true. You may not be comfortable with anyone doing this style of commission and that's okay. But others are and I think that's fair. Especially when this is far from a new idea.

the prices is still given by the hour, NOT by the minute. take what i said and what ratcha said there (as good sample) and make it x60 for your hourly price and there you go.

The house sample is actually pretty good - at least again over here in germany because house builders are here payed by the hour so yea - might be a country differ than though, cant blame me personal for that, so sorry should that be the case.

"There's no defined "end" point where a drawing is "usable" and before it isn't.

Than do another sample if mine wasnt "good" enough. again, im still not talking about the art, the art in general from ratcha is fine as i said, its the "per min" thing.

"What you are worried about is that the artist is not aware of their own ability well enough to only undertake an imagine they could finish in the time frame given in. Which, I do think that is a fair concern with newer artists. But I think less risky for more established ones. Especially if they've done this style of commission before."

This, in fact, i would agree with because i would say yes, i do be worried. So yes, thats a good point.

and for the rest of your comment, i have to agree here. The problem is i always feel like my... "kind" of wording is mostly missunderstood - or for the better, "was" missunderstood that i went to this more...how would i call it... "ironic"(?) way of wording. I know that i sounds like a jerk sometimes (even if i dont really want to) but i noticed people "get" this (as stupid as it might sounds) more attention than "begging" for something. As i said some comments before there as well, im a realist. Seen as the given samples with the said 8.50€ per hour, the house sample or similar things i pick up from the real world. this has nothing to do that i envy someone here but more like the worries i come from.

I am worried. Thats why i "work" this way. I wish i could change that but my big mouth being an asshole sometimes so i have to admit i might was rude in some terms but i cant be sorry for the real meaning behind it - even if the "how it came out" message was a bit unclear.

Still,
i dont wanna wind up the situation to much again nor do i wanna - as i said already - run in a circle. Youre most likely right there than, in the core, i need to change my wording and im just way to worried.

What difference is there by minute versus by hour? Other than you can possibly get a smaller amount?

And thank you, I do know what it means by saying "per minute" and that I would need to multiple to get the per hour amount. :/ I don't think anyone buying this is dumb enough to not know that. Do you realize that amounts per hour is based off of more than just the time? Oh no, an artisan is charging for their time and skill and it's more than the basic minimum wage! The horror! /s

It's actually still a pretty bad comparison because, when building a house, there's a bare minimum that's required for the house to be viable. And that doesn't really exist with art. And I don't need to come up with another example point out obvious flaws in yours that you haven't addressed when pointed out.

You are super hung up on it being by minute instead of by hour. Which is such a silly thing to get upset by it. That's not unusual for quicker speedpaint commissions. It allows people quicker, cheaper art than by hour. But if it bothers you so much, just think of it as by hour.

If you feel like your "kind" of wording is the problem, you might want to check with someone about why you have the tone you do. Because you can control that. It's a skill that can be learned, and it can be hard, but it is doable. Being a realist doesn't mean being a jerk or grumpy about it. That's being a specifically pessimistic realist. You don't have to be that type of realist. It's like the term "blunt honesty" which is used as an excuse to be rude because the person doesn't care enough about being kind. And if you are talking that way because it "gets more attention" than that's even worse.

If you actually want to change that, then I'd recommend something like this: https://goblin.tools/Judge It lets you know how you are coming off.

But, like, realize you haven't been giving critique here. You've been criticizing and that's a very different thing. Critiquing is pointing out specific concerns (not just "it's by minute, that's wrong" but what the issue with that is), how they can be address, and usually cushioned with good parts about it as well. Criticizing is just saying "this is stupid" or something similar.

Like, you haven't really expressed what the issue is here other than it's by minute. And your first post above implies that it's annoyance that it's a high amount when converted to per hour. If that's the main problem, then that's a personal problem and, well, don't get this commission then.

Because right now, if I'm understanding it, you're just worried that you'll pay a lot and end up with a quality of art you aren't happy with. Which, I mean, that's fair but that also very much means that speedpaint commissions are never going to be something you'll want to do. Not that there's something inherently wrong with this type of commission.

not aimed at the guy above me :) if this guy wants to charge less then more power to him but good lord don't whine about it on someone else's page. that just drips of child or man child who cant afford what the artist is asking .

i take that advice(s). that might helps a bit.

God some people don't like the idea of paying an artist a decent wage lol
But you see it all the time with Smiths making arms and armour
Or in my own work in pc repair