Pissy People
8 months ago
It's been a while since I last did a journal to talk about a personal topic, but I feel that I will need to reference this in the future, so I figured I should explain things a little:
I've always tried my best to be respectful of other people's feelings when it comes to kink content. Everyone has their own tastes and limits and some people prefer not to come across topics they find icky. That's why I always made sure to label said content, tag it and went out of my way to make alternate versions, so that those people could still enjoy the pictures I draw.
Yet one kink that is consistently and repeatedly singled out is watersports - urine fetish for the uninitiated. Time and time again, I've had people voice their disdain for it, be it in the comments under the pictures, on my Patreon, on social media, off site galleries that weren't even created by me. Some guy on here once sent me an angry note saying "Look at my profile, don't you know I hate watersports", one person cancelled his Patreon pledge with the reason "Personality of artist is getting to the point of literally pissing on people's fun", another guy got into a lengthy argument with another Patron of mine, because he was too ignorant to even realize there were vanilla alt versions.
It's easy to make the point that these are ignorant outliers who don't represent the majority and you would be right. But the pattern is consistent and these people have chipped away at my patience for long enough, that I have had it. I'm sick and tired of seeing people nagging at me for drawing piss fetish that themselves indulge in vore, fat fetish, farts, diapers, transformation and every other kink under the sun.
So from now on, whenever I have an idea that is centered around watersports, there will no longer be any alt versions. I am tired of putting in extra work for vanilla people, when the result are the same angry comments as if I hadn't provided an alt version to begin with.
And for those who are worried now: No it doesn't mean that there won't be any alt versions whatsoever now. I just want more freedom to express this kink in a way I like it. I will still do enough regular art as I have done before and still provide vanilla versions when it's fitting the theme.
Too long, did not read version: If you really dislike watersports, maybe it's time to unfollow me.
I've always tried my best to be respectful of other people's feelings when it comes to kink content. Everyone has their own tastes and limits and some people prefer not to come across topics they find icky. That's why I always made sure to label said content, tag it and went out of my way to make alternate versions, so that those people could still enjoy the pictures I draw.
Yet one kink that is consistently and repeatedly singled out is watersports - urine fetish for the uninitiated. Time and time again, I've had people voice their disdain for it, be it in the comments under the pictures, on my Patreon, on social media, off site galleries that weren't even created by me. Some guy on here once sent me an angry note saying "Look at my profile, don't you know I hate watersports", one person cancelled his Patreon pledge with the reason "Personality of artist is getting to the point of literally pissing on people's fun", another guy got into a lengthy argument with another Patron of mine, because he was too ignorant to even realize there were vanilla alt versions.
It's easy to make the point that these are ignorant outliers who don't represent the majority and you would be right. But the pattern is consistent and these people have chipped away at my patience for long enough, that I have had it. I'm sick and tired of seeing people nagging at me for drawing piss fetish that themselves indulge in vore, fat fetish, farts, diapers, transformation and every other kink under the sun.
So from now on, whenever I have an idea that is centered around watersports, there will no longer be any alt versions. I am tired of putting in extra work for vanilla people, when the result are the same angry comments as if I hadn't provided an alt version to begin with.
And for those who are worried now: No it doesn't mean that there won't be any alt versions whatsoever now. I just want more freedom to express this kink in a way I like it. I will still do enough regular art as I have done before and still provide vanilla versions when it's fitting the theme.
Too long, did not read version: If you really dislike watersports, maybe it's time to unfollow me.
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Their some watersports pictures I like and others I don't but I don't need to vent my anger out on a picture I don't like, it's pointless. Keep up the good work, DreamAndNightmare, don't let the haters gets you down.
The person who told you to look at their profile for their personal preferences as it if were your responsibility to curate your work to their satisfaction is completely out of their mind. You have over 35K watchers on FA alone; does this person actually think for a second you're responsible for researching that many profiles? Grown-ass adults shouldn't be asking others to babysit them. If they're that sensitive, and that easily triggered, perhaps the Internet isn't the playground for them.
If I love someone's artistic style--as I do yours--then I can just bounce past any images that contain kinks or fetishes I don't care for; I always know something I'll really like will come along. It's not rocket science, and I know the responsibility for curation is on me, not the artist.
Draw for you. The right group of fans will find their way to you, and fuck the rest.
Am I sad to hear that from now on your watersport images will not have vanilla alts? Yes. Will I bitch and moan and plead and demand for them? No. It's your choice, and your time. Besides, you draw amazing art, so I look forward to seeing what else you come up with.
And for those who are worried now: No it doesn't mean that there won't be any alt versions whatsoever now. I just want more freedom to express this kink in a way I like it. I will still do enough regular art as I have done before and still provide vanilla versions when it's fitting the theme.
There will still be vanilla alts for most stuff. Except when the theme is "watersports centric", like for example this picture: LINK.
I was referring specifically to the fact that watersport centric pics will no longer have vanilla alts.
Which is absolutely your perogative.
Flipping their shit over an easily solvable curation issue is a them problem. However, please don't erase the vanilla, I do quite enjoy them. Selfish on my end? Yes, however it is also these people pissing on my fun by proxy.
But yes, please do keep drawing piss, ignore the dumb fucks. <3
And yeah, I will! It will be nice to come up with watersports focused picture ideas and not having to tone them down to include a non-ws alternate version. That's why I always appreciate commissioners who ask me to do watersports stuff. Like you! ;D
Well, honestly i don't like watersports.
Anyways, i'm an adult. I decide what i want to see and what i don't want to see.
If I see a marking "Watersports" or such, I just don't open it. That's adult beahiour. Period.
Same with some other things I don't like. Others might not like to see what I want to see,
so what? It is not possible for you to always please everybody.
If you use FA or similiar, please be a grown up - as always in life, not everything is for your likings.
Those needing a nanny to clean up the pictures before looking - don't unfollow Dream_and_Nighmare.
I suggest you leave FA completely. You're not mature enough for this.
Personaly I dislike these people. In my eyes it is a mixture of being childish, calling for mum to clean their pants and sheer arrogance.
(Sorry for ranting and sorry for my wooden englich, it's not my native language)
It really is the way you describe it. Some people just want to be offended by every single thing.
Though I will say some things will gross people out no matter what, like scat or piss or gore (though piss is so tame compared to the other two, even the raunchiest of watersports aren't as bad as the other two in my eyes but some people are just that sensitive to anything that isn't cum coming out of the body). You won't see guys getting pissed about pits, for example, because pits are just that inoffensive.
Still, lotta furries are a bit TOO sensitive to these kinds of things to the point where they'll argue or cause drama over it, which is never reasonable. Especially when you're titling things and separating the watersports art from the alt versions. So I mean, I don't know what people want from you (besides of course no longer drawing ws art, which isn't very realistic).
I won't lie the angry notes you're getting made me laugh, as if it's their say what you draw and there's nothing they themselves can do to stop themselves from seeing content they don't like. It gives me classic "Stop swearing, my son watches your videos and you're making him upset" YouTube Comment Section vibes.
Love your content regardless of how dirty or clean you make it. You do you boo.
So yeah, I appreciate your support. Thank you!
Personally, it does not really bother me, though I find it is interesting to see how someone would draw it out. I am one of those art fans that likes to see alternatives of any given artwork.
Make what art that YOU WANT TO DO. And if anyone can't show respect towards that desire of yours, just let them float away.
And yeah, it's insane to think that a furry porn artist needs to adhere to your personal feelings and sentimentalities.
Like, your kinks and your art evolved. Not like that's a bad thing. And nobody is forcing them if your new subject matter isn't appealing to them.
Your art is a reflection of who you are, and you have every right to explore and share the things that inspire you without feeling pressured to cater to every individual's opinion. Kinks and preferences are personal, and it’s important to create art that resonates with you.
Keep doing what you love, and don’t let the naysayers dim your shine. There are plenty of us who appreciate your work for what it is and support your freedom of expression!
I will definitely still provide alternate versions for most pictures that contain watersports, as I don't want to punish the people who enjoy my work purely because of a few naysayers, but it will be nice to also allow myself to dive deeper into ideas that are more centered around that kink and not worry about if everyone will enjoy it or not.
I can't wait to see what else you have in mind when you do dive deeper down the road!
I mean, I don't like piss myself, considered trying it once, talked myself out of it, but 1) it's hardly a rare fetish and 2) who cares? Like, where would whining get me? I'd look a fool online and the porn would still exist.
You do you, Dream. It's a pity it means alts to the piss stuff is ending, but you can't escape whiny people so I fully support you doing what is right by you. ^^ I suppose this marks a, ahem... Golden era. :P
Oh and don't worry, it doesn't mean that alt versions in general will be ending. I will still provide them, but I will also do ideas that are more watersports focused.
Sorry you experienced this.
No, watersports is not something I like, but, it also not the only thing you draw. I'm here largely for the paws, and while those are a minority, I greatly appreciate your work and get that your personal kinks and muses are not mine.
A few years back when doing the Paw-Post (and thank you, again, for being so generous and good about the interview for that), one thing that really stood out is that even amid people of the same main kink, you have dozens of different likes/dislikes within that one kink. Most people are cool with it, understanding their personal tastes may not be others', but even within that, there were a few grumpy people that felt the need to sound off about it.
You do you man - if people wanna grump about it, then point them to this journal and shrug it off.
And yeah the idea was to point people to this journal when they would complain. x3
"Buh, I don't like piss, read my profile"... Yup. Feels like someone hasn't received any reality check from their father's balls to that moment and is in dire need of one. Whether as a smack behind the head or a rough stomping.
I've been flying under the radar even when I do extremely kinky stuff... BUT HELL! If someone comes up to me "Hey, I don't like X"
... Well, why do you come here, then? You don't like the kinks that might crop up? Use a block tag? or don't follow? Or just don't check out?
Sorry for you... BUT HELL! AH! I wish it'd be not looked down-upon from calling people out to be little shitlings.
And yeah sometimes it would be nice to fire back, but it's really not worth it as I learned that most of the times these people are just sad individuals that I honestly pity.
In the end only you matter!!
As for myself, I am into watersports and enjoy seeing it when it pops up. Try to not let those assholes get to you as they are either haters who just want a reason to spit out their venom which is honestly sad, or what I believe is most likely... they're just trolls wanting reactions. Regardless, keep posting what you like as that and staying as safe as you can be are the most important things you can do.
You're an amazing artist dream_and_nightmare and I'd hate to see such creativity stifled. Keep up the amazing work!
Oh, and if any of the haters and/or trolls sees this message... learn to do better and grow the fuck up. If you genuinely dislike watersports and are here on FA, BLOCK THE FUCKING TAG!
It's that simple!
Trolls I can deal with, because they are easily identifiable, but in the case of the comments I listed, some of them happened on Patreon and so they were genuinely upset about it. But yeah, I will draw what I enjoy and when I feel that an idea benefits from having more kink added instead of being toned down, I will just go with the flow! (Pun not intended.)
It's because one of the FIRST THINGS I learned in the kink community is that unless somebody is getting hurt without their consent, you DO NOT KINKSHAME! There are plenty of artists that draw stuff I'm not into: macro/micro, feet, watersports, choking, transformation, etc. But you know what? I follow them anyway, because (a) those kinks are usually only just a small percentage of their art, and (b) it's easier to just turn a blind eye to it than make it the artist's problem (and that kink community's problem as well), especially with the recent block system FA's implemented.
So yeah, more power to you! If they're not mature enough to handle kink content in a respectable manner, then they're not mature enough for erotic content in general.
I appreciate your support though!
If someone doesn't like your stuff - let them be. You can't control what they think and do, and it's better to devote your time and energy to the things that make you happy and that you do enjoy.
If they don't like watersports, they are free to use the new tagging system to avoid it. Everything else is just a waste of everyones time.
<3
It's nobody elses place to tell someone what they can and can't do with their art. If someone is offended by it, then they shouldn't look. It's not your place to appease everyone because that is a losing battle as someone somewhere is probably going to be offended in one way or another.
Please keep up the great work!
If I complained about all the normal kinks I dislike, I'd be a massive hypocrite in the face of all the weird-ass furry physics kinks I do like.
But yeah it's a mystery for sure.
I am staying regardless because I like your art for all it is.
Aint gonna lose me.
No problem. :)
Am open to chatting as well if you're ever up for it~ Just an open invitation~
Guess some are just so entitled they think anything not catering to their tastes specifically shouldn't exist in the first place.
You can do that now. That is an option.
You just keep doing what you're doing. I'll keep supporting you. Watersports is literally the least "gross" fetish you can draw, especially given some of the stuff I post here.
Don't let idiots dictate your actions, man. Sucks they stressed you to this point, but it's good to see you standing by your work!
I for one can't wait to see MORE watersports from you, as I am very much an enjoyer haha
i used to be against it at first but i eventually started to get an interest in it.
i even got watersports art.
here, i'll share some with ya:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/51639755/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/45223941/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/42320828/
and i honestly wouldnt mind getting watersports art with you at some point.
a big tiger like that needs a proper and comfy urinal afterall ;)
I appreciate the support though. :3
People being vocal though are kinda weird about it because it is on them to filter/ignore. I see a lot of stuff in regards to furry art I would rather not see but I see no point in raising that issue with artists I follow because simply put they are not creating a curated gallery for my tastes alone.
Sorry you have had to deal with that crap.
Express YOUR kinks in YOUR art, don't let other folks whine about what you make
WS ain't my thing, but I'm not gonna give people grief over it.
Someone messaged YOU, telling you to look at THEIR profile, saying they didn't like watersports? Like... How is that... In any way shape or form your responsibility?
They seem to have strangely dried up on FA since we lost our proprietor, but they are surely waiting to cause more trouble here and are active everywhere.
Create what you want without worrying what others will think
if they like the content, great, they will follow you.
if they don't like it, well, that's normal too, but it doesn't have to stop your creativity 💪
Now with the blacklist system by tags that FA implemented, will be easier since each user will be able to filter out what they do not like, so there should be no more discussions or nagging.
Big hugs! 🤗
I don't like watersports but I would never demand that others stop.
What is it Mike Tyson is credited with? "Too many people have gotten comfortable with not being punched in the face".
I genuinely hope this change makes the people who find the need to other you for your own kink interests leave you alone. >:(
I think you did more than enough with the alternate versions of pictures to show that you care about your followers. But I understand your decision and maybe this choice will even give you more time for other things.
I am not into watersports myself, but I would never judge about it, because I have my kinks as well and I'd say live and let live. It's not fair to reduce a person to a kink for selfish reasons, you are a great and caring artist and that should be in the focus.
I will still do alternate versions, but now I can also indulge in some more kinky ideas that I would not have done otherwise. So no worries, there will still be plenty of art to look at! :3
And thank you for your support and encouragement!
The one of the guy giving the note of "don't you know I hate it" as if you do your art for him specifically, what the hell? World doesn't revolve around him. So bizarre.
It's one endless crock of shit.
I'm glad you're setting this boundary. Love it.
You should really work on your reading comprehension, because you are just repeating the point I made in the journal entry.
I am a Content creator. I was unaware that I HAVE to post my shit here to prove it to you specifically. Your approval isn't necessary for me to do my thing ^^
Trust me, my reading comprehension is just fine. But the fact that you took your own energy and time out of your day to write an entire journal post about not caring about people's opinions kinda indicates the opposite.
And I wouldn't trust on that, because that's exactly not the kind of point I was making at all.
People need to mind their own business when it comes to what you draw, if they don't like it, find someone else to draw, then again, some of these prudes will get angry at others for simply being able to draw lol.
And also im sorry for this; the title of this journal is very ironic lol
You're doing the right decision here! I support you all the way with it :)
The best thing about the internet is that it gives everyone a voice.
The worst thing about the internet is that it gives everyone a voice.
Anyway, sorry about that tangent. Thought it somewhat related to the journal's post with people trying control what others like and getting pissy when they can't.
A very good reminder I should draw more WS myself, though. Man, I'm sorry you had to deal with entitled pricks like that.
But yeah, it's really crazy. I definitely will not shy away from more watersports art anymore.
Entitlement.
It's not just a furry thing.
It's just a problem these days. A sense of entitlement: "Why aren't you doing own thing in the manner that most caters to me?"
I don't have a lot of patience for entitlement anymore.
I also don't have patience for that sense of entitlement anymore, hence the journal.
The thing is that whenever I receive backlash for something that is not warranted, I just defy it and double down. A few years ago some right wing nutjobs on e621 of all places decided to downvote and torpedo one of my Pride month pictures and my response was just to draw more Pride month content. So that's where I stand with watersports too.
Keep the piss coming, Dream. Tough heck that you gotta deal with this, I hope it's not very demotivating for you :c
(Watersports is one of my favs.)
Glad to hear that <3
(tho i hope the alts don't go away for good, those are still good)
You give your time and your energy to draw what you like, if they don't like it they can pound sand
I'll still happily draw alt versions for regular art, but it will be nice to also come up with some watersports themed pics every once in a while.
This video is a commonly used favorite of mine for situations such as these.
Mannn people are too entitled. Keep bein you <3
And thank you! I will! :3
Also... pee is sterile. Sometimes it may taste or smell bad... but that's the worst of it.
I dunno that the ex-patrons were so much "vanilla" as they were just highly insecure about their sexual interests and more afraid of seeing things they were told are taboo by main-"stream" (my little bad joke) society. Vore content is basically unknown to the public, transformation, too. Fat fetish seems to be more normalized these days, though I find it bizarre that someone would have a diaper fetish and be grossed out by pee! XD
Either way, again, sorry you have to put up with those people, and I still like your work! Even some of the watersports stuff!
Anyway, again thanks for your input and support!