"-Some people may lack of visual artistic skills in general or people have lost the artistic skill due to health issues like after a stroke, accident, or motorneuron disease that affect their ability or completely disable them to keep drawing..." I have to agree fully with this nuanced point. Due to the complication of modern times It's condescending from passive-thinking skilled-artists and people who make higher five annual figures income and that people "ought to struggle to make art" when they either don't have the time nor resources or cognitive abilities. Why should they make art on crappy notebook paper when they can make a few set of pictures once in a while for a 10-20 bucks instead of 100 bucks from artists I will flat out say barely even know art theory beyond basic shapes and cel shading (crappy artists who over charge their work is so common on this site.)
and for 10 bucks you can get a few decently detailed picture. Sure there's caveats of addiction and lack of interaction and experiences through enjoying living being's art and making art, but my nuanced neutral opinion is based on actually reading a few academic books and also on focused observations rather than the general public's knee jerk passive hivemind pseudo-philosophies.

It's a fact that not everyone have the variables to meet the threshold needed to make enough money or mustard the skills to do art. Also due to the dopamine destructive nature of society in general. I see AI as a Compensation of modernity's woes. Hive minds don't speak truth when all it is is hollow declarative statements coming from people who equally do other destructive behaviours. when the very same people who cry vapidiness of AI very them selves show vapid personality with consumerism and trend following and being capitalism's boot licker towards artists' who over value their generic neon colored dicks.

The reason ai art is prohibited is because it’s stolen content, it’s not artists gatekeeping their ability to draw. It’s the fact that ai art has illegally uses artists works as a learning tool without their consent and is regurgitating their works. Stolen art is not allowed on the site under any means.

If you didn’t make it, you can’t post it on this platform, that goes for mood boards and other things like that too, and I’m sorry but just because u chose the words to put into an ai generator doesn’t mean you created it or own it in any way.

Also medical issues isnt a very good excuse for stealing content, as there are tons of disabled artists in the world who create their own works.

I am not looking for excuses, but when it comes you get a stroke and you loose the ability to draw how would you compensate that, is you lost basicall all fine motoric movement in all of your limbs? Not attacking just asking how would you overcome on that? I knew a few peiple who can draw with their mouth...

Like I said, there’s lots of disabled artists who overcome their disabilities. Of course not saying it’s easy or that everyone can do it, but could u imagine if those people never tried and just used ai art as a crutch instead? Also I have lost motor skills in my arm due to an accident and I’m still working on arts xD and I have 2 friends with severe tendon damage who also are still drawing, it’s just not an excuse to steal content

To be perfectly fair with you I see your point. I watched over a thousand artists on this site and used to browse through AI generated images both on Facebook, and X and still did not found any AI pictures resembling of any of the works of those whom I did watched here. And basically AI developing so quick now it probably capable to draw anything from sketch don't you think?

I’d suggest u look on DA specifically if u want examples, most of the ai adopts being sold u can probably find who the image was copied from. Its little details like eye styles, fur patterns, details on clothes, but it people didn’t consent to that it’s just gross

I do believe there is an option to turn your pictures searchability off on FA so basically google will not show your work up in their reverse image search, so I assume it will be hidden from AI to learn from your work I am not sure do other sites are have the same feature to turn off indexing of the picture so hid it from search engines. I think the main problem is some artwork can be found and the exact link to it when you do reverse image search, that is where AI caapable to lern from...

FA has a system in place to protect artists but not every website has that. For example, DA only gave the option to disable it AFTER their ai was created that already used the data of people on the site

Also some websites are transparent about using people’s info but some artists have no choice because selling art is their job and they can’t just leave their following. Like I know some people are still on twitter for that reason, and like Twitter and Facebook for example doesn’t delete your info after you disable your accounts cuz they’ve already collected your info and photos

There's inkbunny and e6ai that fills the void for that market.

A.I. will only ramp up as a technology grows, they train user's facial features and text and contextualize it base on user's use of social media from facebook, to discord to twitter posts for "scientific" and for pattern recognitions in aide for corporate endeavors . I think there's bigger "moral issues" to be addressed in Neurological-social engineering for profits than horsecocks and inflation porn art being stolen.

Thus why I wonder why people care so much when most of these complaining people online use mainstream platforms that algorithmically turn themselves into genie pigs. YouTube Translations of videos into various languages didn't pop up from magic and honest science. It came up by microscoping society.

Once again the problem is that it’s stolen content and people try to claim it as their own, there’s reasons Disney is currently suing some of the big name ai industries right now

Morals are worthless. I see people not even understanding the ramifications of their life long actions that fed the beast that exists today. Did you not contemplate on what I've said? so why should I care if disney is being sued when morals mean nothing to the beast that are fed by society's complacent behaviors? Do you not remember the myriad of court cases that barely punished the trillion dollar entities during the 2008 financial crises? microsoft which is bigger than disney gets away with serval cases of corruption? You know why? Out of logistic necessities, they hold the vary fabric of your living structure and it would be foolish for government to dismantle entities so tangled into our society.

AI is the new revolution like the advent of the computer, the new ultimate materialistic god figure that man looks up to as man is tired of their pass knowledge, never content, enslaved by their lust for chaotic novel and "easier" pleasures through technological advances, because the alluring fascination of increased quantity bliss propels them. but there's always an equilibrium and caveats. Corps use assets and techniques to feed the addictions of the high upper class. Middle class civilians use technology to feed their addiction but the billionaire forces them through manipulation their psychology to carefully navigate them through the chaotic side effects. As the corporations and government need the lower class to produce such technology and take the brunt of side effects and complications, to propel the lower class into both manufactory works and the technology use in order to validate the new technologies. and to feed the billionaires at the end of the day.

You will not get rid of AI. AI aides government, AI aides the Military, AI aides financial planning. AI also aides the planning of materials needed to process the copious amount of materials that get's pump into food and other needs that sociality eats and use, you will not get rid of AI.
It's like trying to get rid of a new deeply woven fabric of society, like the computer!, private autonomy was usurped in the 1900s, Privacy was usurped in the 2000s, creativity is now the next humanistic attribute being mangled.
Either learn from this fact, and read on some related topics of the subject, like Neurological and sociological materials, and better deal with the actual situation. Or be trapped in the loop of passive ignorance, passively morally crusading to feel that fleeting artificial high.

Also I misread "disney is suing" for "disney is being sued." Which is irrelevant still, because disney will soon deploy AI rapidly once the public mind is used to AI more. It's simply disney disallowing smaller entities from partaking in use of AI in certain contextes to give more reigns for them to control the new tool such as AI. AI regulation will only serve to maintain controlable and more predictable "order" in order to avoid complications that may face corporate and government deployment of AI. Akin to resource allocation when Corporation lobby for restrictive regulations in the name of "Safety."

The fact that you think morals are useless already shows that there’s no real reason to argue about ethics, also there’s a big difference in ai art vs ai used for the military and like… Siri and stuff like that. But the point I’m making was that you can’t post ai art on FA because you don’t own the work, u don’t own anything about it, u cannot claim to own anything about it, so it’s not allowed

You failed to comprehend my explanation of abstract systems beyond perceiving this as merely a category associations problem, which badly affected your interoperation.
(I never devalued morals, I simply stated corporations don't care therefore it's not worth using it as a talking point in this topic for reasons I've described before.)

You failed to understand anthropic ramifications of Technologies in general. As I was not focusing on FA policies. (You failed to remember I pointed out inkbunny and e6ai existing makes that an irrelevant topic.)

My critique, rather is towards the vapid misdirected moralisation of AI which dumbs down and hide the actual true ramifications and effects of AI.

That’s all irrelevant information when it’s stolen content, sorry but innovation does not trump laws

Ah okay, all nuanced points have completely flew over your head. Groovy.

They’re just all irrelevant. The point was “why is ai art not allowed on FA” the answer “simple, FA doesn’t allow you to post content you don’t own”

Morals were never a part of the conversation

You keep repeating its stolen art. It will be stolen in thet case if AI Completely reproduce the actual character. May use it as learning to mimic the style. I have tried to ask AI to reproduce a picture of an open source picture from a movie character. I used chatgp in this case but chatgtp refused to generate the picture in any form as it violates copyright rules... So if AI taught to that other people artwork have copyright on them it will not tracing or using that work for generate the picture. And seems like AI in a learning curve to learn copyright infringement are not good.

To be perfectly fair artist are copying other artists style elements and then adapt it into their style. Is that classed as artwork theft if you adapt other artists style into your style?

That’s just not true. You can copy something without exactly replicating it. Like it’s insane if you think you can’t?

The difference between human artists learning and ai art is that ai art “learns” by analyzing existing art and replicating EXISTING PATTERNS, it does not add elements that don’t exist from other artworks. It’s basically just a big ol collage of mostly stolen information.

Info stolen due to a lack of consent from the people the data was gathered from. Just because some people consent doesn’t mean everyone does

Ai art doesn’t learn and incorporate techniques into its own style, it just copies and pastes.

Also yes if an artist copies another person’s art and posts it saying it’s theirs that is stealing, m’dude

AI not copies and pastes as you claim it of course it learns from existing artwork as other humans do. You just pulld a brick wall "AI is art theft" and you keep klinging on that. Of course AI may have almost exactly the same style as existing artists. but I have tried many AI picture generators to replicate one of my adopted characters.... Guess what! I could not ask none of those AI picture generators to regenerate the exact same character with the exact same style in different poses. All I had is an error message most of the times. Chat gtp was the only IA that explained this is a copytight material and Can't use it, can't generate the exact same character withthe exact same style... So your point looks like are invalid.

you seriously do not understand how copyright works or how ai art works, like literally cannot even bother to google it. This is the problem with people like you who use ai art and dont even understand how the dang thing works or who it affects. Educate yourself before you try to tell me i dont know about something that’s stolen from me personally.

Im not saying ai is going to make someone’s exact character, you keep saying that and keep trying to tell me im wrong for it when i never once said that. I said the DATA USED to make that art, is STOLEN

If i break into your house, steal your homework, copy it, take it home and write it in my own words, then turn it into the teacher, i stole it. Ai art in a nutshell

If you’re still confused I suggest doing more research into both copyright laws and how ai art is made. Heck you can google the difference between ai art and human made art and the ai will TELL you lol

Though I’m not too sure why you came onto an art website to whine about why you’re not allowed to post content that doesn’t belong to you, especially when that content is made at the expense of the artists on the site.

Also, another difference

Ai art doesn’t have its own style, it’s not a human with the ability to create something of its own. It will never take someone’s art and create something in its own style. It can’t create new information. THAT is what separates ai art from a human learning. Tho a human artist also will create without the need to copy other people too.

Also AI can adopt styles and combine them to a similar but different one. And by this time most AI been programmed to recognise copyright material and refuse to work with

it doesnt adopt styles though, it just copies the individual pieces that have been funneled through it. Ai cannot create NEW data, it just compiles the existing data

Also it doesnt recognize anything other than whats been put through it, which is a lot of stolen artwork that the ai companies didnt have permission to use. This is why you see many many many ai that uses Ghibli art and Disney art in particular. Miyazaki despises ai art and has never consented to having his works used that way, and Disney is currently suing ai companies for stealing their work

Never mind leave it. I can't tell AI not stealing of course learns from it but not "copy+paste" artwork.

Seriously tho, a quick google search is all it takes, hun

Go and research before you try to publicly support something that hurts people, and don't use disabled people as an excuse when theres a lot of disabled people fighting against it ✌️