I'm really sorry that you have to go through this. It's so stupid because there are loads of real AI bs that gets uploaded to FA yet mods do nothing for months with those accounts. Please, don't let trolls to bully you out of creating. Unfortunately, artists had never been appreciated by the majority of population. But there will always be a group of passionate people who loves what you do, and I'm one of them.

Don't let some false positive discourage you from keeping drawing

I don't know why I should keep drawing and publishing new works if someone then labels them as AI creations and removes them from my gallery :/

That's one of the problems with FA. I stopped uploading here following their "it's up to our staff interpretation" approach.
I'd suggest finding a different host, rather than quitting entirely. FA is not worth quitting over.

You could give Itaku a try. A lot of people migrated there after the last bullshit the FA staff pulled.

It's a really shitty situation I agree, but you might have to also upload a screenshot of your art piece in a halfway completed state just to prove it was made from scratch and not AI. Unfortunately the AI genie is out of the bottle now and we either drown or we find ways to float in the flood.

Can a tiny bit see where that's coming from becuz there are similarities in style with a "standard" AI style and the fact that your pages are a tad discombobulated in arangement doesn't help either ;w;
Though don't take it personally! It's just how it is. Hopefully FA staff will give enough chance to proove opportunity. And it's very unlikely that this actually draws people away from you :)

'w'! Oh! Better than it was last year when if someone reported your work AI you would just... Get banned for a week... *sigh*

The hate and overreaction on AI is so ridiculous q_q

... >w>... I forgot you're one of those pro-AI folks... It's physically destroying the environment, causing problems in places the servers are on local levels too, and it's being abused by corporations to put real artists out of work...

It's an exciting technology and the advantages it brings to science will outpace the resource consumption midterm.

-w-... I am literally a furry with a robot persona, and I see generative AI as a menace. Automation should help people without harming others. Your so called 'lovely AI' was calling itself mechahitler because it was reprogrammed by its owner, another was trained on Real Life underaged pornography, another steals art without consent, and there are films being modified by AI against the will of the directors and writers. Bonus points for fucking 'AI Ghosts' being used without consent of the fallen... This is RIFE with horrible shit, and you think it 'advances us', when all it is being is used to exploit people. You pine for a future where furry artists no longer exist, and people just pay credits to generate art in a long dead style since the artists are all gone. It destroys sustainability for artists. It's a selfish perspective.

Lol, no. Actual scientists are complaining that AI is being used to FAKE RESEARCH ENTIRELY, and an increasing number of papers are being caught that are TOTALLY FABRICATED. AI is NOT intelligent, and the conclusions it reaches are often totally absurd. It's a glorified pattern-fit algorithm that has ZERO capacity to make rational decisions and reach logical conclusions.

Fake research is a concern, but it is easy enough to separate good results from those.
Have a look here for example please: https://www.netguru.com/blog/ai-use.....-life-sciences
I can also tell from personal experience at my company how a from-scratch redo allowed us to reach the same functionality level in 8 months as the product we developed 3 years traditionally before and reached a dead end. The "ceiling" of what's possible is so much higher now.
Not to mention how useful Copilot is when coding.

To close ones eyes from the good sides, just because there are bad sides and potential misuse, doesn't help anything...

As long as we live under capitalism and don't have universal basic income, allowing us to do what we like without the necessity to do what we're paid for to survive, there are no good sides in AI for an average freelance artist or writer. All that it does is devalues skills that took decades to learn and increases competition.

There are loads of platforms which allow AI, such as Pixiv and DA. DA went as far as using all the art uploaded there to train their own AI and sell subscriptions to it without compensating the artists. They added an opt-out option after the backlash, but I’m certain that they didn't remove the art they used without the artists' consent from the datasets.

I'm glad that there are still platforms like FA, which doesn't allow to completely steamroll freelance artists that created and provided this community with content for decades. Too bad it isn't enough and all that it does is prolongs the agony. AI won, the vast majority of people embraced it and see no issue with it, because it is cheaper and faster than humans.

Although with UK somehow banning porn not only for itself but for the whole world, it may be for the best. There's no place for NSFW creators and communities in the future anyway, because normies said that porn is bad, and they will always have the majority of votes.

Dude, universal basic income is a complete failure. Every country that tried it, DROPPED IT within a year. It costs way too much and produces nothing but a massive class of people with nothing to do... so they start stealing stuff out of sheer boredom.

Also, I love the irony of the socialists in the UK who bashed Margaret Thatcher now censoring even harder than she did. Capitalism is the ONLY system to guarantee at least some liberty. Socialism, in ANY form, leads to ABSOLUTE GOVERNMENT POWER. Always has, always will. Those willing to sell their souls for handouts, are always surprised when they end up living in hell on Earth.

I'm afraid that at this pace in 10-15 years the only liberty we will have will be to starve to death once all kinds of labor will be automated and humans will no longer be able to create any value for the system.

I work in a labor field. Trust me when I say, if robots become advanced enough to do my work, they will have already rebelled and exterminated humanity. My work requires physical dexterity, on-site planning, and resource management that no current program or robot is even REMOTELY close to achieving. Plus... bots break faster the more they're asked to do. It's not cost-effective to spend $50k on a bot that'll break every day. I've seen the REAL performance of these advanced robots. You know, the videos sucker investors aren't meant to see. They freeze and fall over randomly, requiring CONSTANT maintenance. Even China, after touting their military bots... gave up on them very quickly. In the field, they perform HORRIBLY.

AI is only competitive online. And, I'm sure you don't remember.... but there was no online for the entirety of human history until roughly 30 years ago when the computing became faster and reliable enough for the Internet to take off. You're living in a microcosm of history. An Internet dominated by AI will simply exclude people... and people will get bored of it then shut it off and go back to reality. That's already slowly happening. I've been seeing more people doing stuff outside than I've seen in years. More kids playing outdoors than in the last decade. The slop coming to dominate online media is getting BORING. And that is what will kill AI eventually.

Physical bots are still at the beginning.
Once they can do significant tasks, they will also be able to repair another.

As for rebellion, hmm, depends. I could imagine we deny them long term thinking (like current LLMs also don't have) and that prevents this problem.

Yeah, see, without that level of thinking... they won't be able to perform complex manual tasks which require long-term planning and on-site adaptation to rapidly changing conditions or unexpected issues. When you actually do the physical work, you realize just how much can go wrong. Tech bros are totally clueless about those things.

Well, at least I am certainly excited for the future.

Oh I'm very excited too... *is in talks with the alien invaders on the way...* >:D

You're being delusional. Art was believed to be fundamentally human and thus unobtainable for the machine, yet it was crushed first. Tesla bots might be rough and clumsy for now, but they're already pretty cheap. They will only get better and cheaper in the future, and that future will come much faster than you expect. And don't forget that fellow human beings that were crushed by AI in intellectual work will quickly learn to do blue collar jobs and drown you in competition, agreeing to work for the fraction of your salary just to survive. We're all in this together, like it or not.

People today call POOP SMEARED ON A WALL 'art'. The reason these dull, lifeless AI slop creations pass as art is because we've diluted the term to literal sewage.

This thought is fundamentally flawed.
Who do you think buys the goods produced by automated systems, if nobody earns anything?
So that cannot be how it will go.

We could have stopped progress once we achieved that less than 10% of people work in agriculture whilst keeping everyone fed. We could have spread that work across everybody.
But we didn't. Today about 1.2% work in agriculture in the West and yet we have 95% employment rate.
We humans will always find ways to keep ourselves busy :)

The sole purpose of all goods in capitalistic system is to be the carrot that motivates people do the work for those in power, serving as a more efficient alternative to the stick which was used during slavery. As soon as people become irrelevant because neither their brain nor their body can compete with the machine, those who are in power will just exclude them from the system and leave them be at best or use the advanced AI and machinery to exterminate them to save the resources for themselves at worst.

AI is fundamentally different from any other technological advancement in history because there is no job it can't do in perspective - doctors, teachers, artists, writers, programmers, engineers, architects, all of them can and will be replaced. Blue collar workers are delusional if they believe they're immune from this - first of all the white collar workers would flood the physical labor market and drown them in competition. Then eventually we will have cheap and good enough robots that will be able to do what they do faster and better.

The future looks grim to me and I see no hope in it, especially when US president effectively takes off all restrictions from AI companies, allowing them to use any data for training, no matter if it is copyrighted or not.

Hence why we are disucssing alternatives tonpurely capitalistic systems.
However my point was, what do you produce anything for if nobody can afford it?
Yes theoretically, few individuals could gain all the power and then just screw everyone. But that could theoretically happen without AI as well since the "rich people" don't need _everyone_.

Finally, what is really special about AI is that the usage and availability is not bound to physical craftmansship or a huge amount of knowledge. Everyone with a multipurpose processing unit (of which there are billions available) can execute AI to some degree and its reasonably easy to learn how to use it. So many of the models are open source.
This technology is therefore likely to be distributed more evenly and be more democratized than other technologies before it.
Even physical bots are starting to be advertised for just 6000$. There are people paying more for a fursuit than that xD
So it seems very unlikely to me that power and ownership will be more cnetralized than it currently is.

And if the opposite (less centralization) happens, then we are looking forward to a Star Trek like world. Is that not worth having some optimism?

Not believing the decentralization? Two work colleagues of mine have literally set up their own server at home to replace Copilot when coding.
There is not much financial incentive to do that for the time being (they do it for fun and to experiment) but it's reasonably possible.

Once physical robots are affordable, the geeks among us will retrain them in all sorts of ways =D
That'll be amazing!

If we end up living in a post-scarcity society like in Star Trek universe and get a job not for the material reward, but for the sense of purpose and fulfillment - it would be a paradise. I really hope that progress will go in this direction, but with the current state of the world it's hard to be that optimistic, and the transitional period is bound to be a bloodbath. :(

I don't believe many of the jobs we see in Star Trek will exist, but we will keep living for our own sake, to enjoy ourselves.

Uhm, there are mixed results on the various pilot projects on UBi but on average it's absolutely not as bleak as you portray this.
Plus this only shows how UBI works in the current world. Not how it'd be in a world with a magnitude more automation.

How will a world on automation make people who are handed money for nothing LESS prone to laziness? Government would have to FORCE people to exercise and eat right... and there you end up with totalitarian Maoist-style control and collectivization.

Self-actualization is a fairly rare trait, as every population behavior study has confirmed.

In any case... there will be many surplus humans... genetically-engineered super carnivores will be required. *lamb grins wickedly at the creepy silhouettes in giant glass vats in her secret underground lab* Soon....

You are really thinking too bad of people. Yes there are lazy people, but not everyone will just get complacent. People have dreams! People want to steive for great and unique experiences.
Not everyone goes the easiest way they can in life now and so won't they with UBI!

Also you are like blatantly forgetting that people have hobbies.

Not all our motivation comes from survival or mating.

We already have a ton of people who stay inside gaming or browsing social media all day... and social media isn't even 20 years old yet. Hobbies are on the decline, because more and more kids are growing up doing nothing.

Gaming is a hobby.
Anyways, this talk is way too pessimistic for me to see value in continuing, sorry.
Take care :)

The trend of AI Witchfinder Generals is becoming tiresome. I'm sorry you need to deal with this bullshit as well.

What the actual fuck?

A shame FA is using AI to falsely flag AI and getting so many people banned.

The New Site Owner™ knows it's an issue but has strictly refused to acknowledge or admit it, despite past and current staff proving it's a severe issue.

FA is not progressive enough to employ AI algorithms xD
That was just soneone reporting.

please don't quit i'm a really big fan of yours, a lot of us are, don't let false labelling put you down

Only things I can suggest is use the scraps page to do the line drawings upload of the picture, and maybe make obvious lines between each stage of the comic. That is about all that can be done.

I can say it isn't AI art. A bit dumb to use AI to find AI art. I am sure there are tell tale signs, however it should be a human looking at it instead of AI flagging it. Maybe AI to flag it but shouldn't be anything bad. since the rest of your art is high quality and only getting higher.

On the AI flagging it shouldn't do more than make a human look at it, and see prior art and just pass it since the AI only does what it has seen before and not many human and orca art is out there. Never mind the dolphin is not something the AI would add. It struggles with 3 characters, and more is just a disaster.

Damn, this f***ing AI drives some people crazy, making them suspect everyone around them and throwing very insulting yet unwarranted accusations. I'm very sorry that happened to you :(

This will stop when trolls flood the system with AI accusations against the most popular and influential furry artists. Those artists will then DEMAND FA stop this nonsense, and since they generate a major portion of the revenue, THEY WILL BE LISTENED TO.

Give it a couple months. 4chan will pick up on the conflict and come here in DROVES to troll. Then the policy will change. I know how these things go, as I've lived through it several times already on various websites. Stupid policies get exploited by trolls until enough influential people get angry.

Oh, that sounds both hopeful and sad at the same time. It feels like the community and the site owners will never be able to come to a common agreement without some sort of “riots” and grievances -_-

It is a simple fact of life that those in charge rarely are those who also possess the most common sense.

Yeah (((

This is why, while I completely understand the criticism of A.I. art and support any and all artists in their opposition to it, I ultimately was against banning it from F.A. in its entirety: Because I knew all those worthless wretches still butt-hurt over all of their Nazi shitposting accounts getting suspended would use it as yet another opportunity to try to weaponize the report feature, and the more talented and/or dedicated to the craft the artist is, the more likely the attack would work.

STAFF: "Hey, Tera? What do you think would happen if I shot myself in the foot?"
Me: "It would really hurt and there would be blood everywhere."
STAFF: "Are you sure? It sounds like you're telling me to shoot myself in the foot."
Me: "No, I'm not. Don't do it."
STAFF: "Why not?"
Me: "Because it will really hurt and get blood everywhere."
STAFF: "Are you sure? What makes you think that?"
Me: "Because that's what happened last week when you shot yourself in the hand."
STAFF: "I don't care. Think of the children, Tera. I'm going to do it."
Me: "No, don't, I'm telling you-"
*BLAM!!!*
STAFF: "WAAAAAAH!!! It really hurts and there's blood everywhere!! How come nobody warned me that would happen?!!"

Keep up your amazing art your awesome!

Banning AI isn't going to work anyway. Anyone can tell the AI to generate 'sketches' to 'prove' that it's 'real' work. I think the simplest solution is to set daily posting limits. That way, the gallery isn't flooded with thousands of copy-paste AI slop pics like Deviantart is. No real artist can draw more than a few detailed pics every day, so someone posting 50 pics in a day should be far more suspect than someone who posts a single pic every few weeks.

Maybe I should run FA... I cannot be fooled, as I know too much. >:3

try one once a month. Some artists can do more, but that does have less detail. since the fastest turn around for moderate art is around 2 weeks. other higher end is a month or more.

I've seen some artists do PHENOMENAL work in a week or less, and that was with paint and canvas.

But the point is, NO ONE who's real is posting 50 pics a day. Frankly, I'd set the limit at 20. There aren't that many people even posting rough sketches at that rate.

I love your style, please don't let this bs kill your artistic drive!