I agree with you 100%... we don't need people in life who are so closed minded that it's dangerous for others. Unfortunately with more and more people relying on social media to justify their decisions in life things will only get worse as we go.

This whole thing is turning into the red scare again.

Yep. And its very degrading. This country is better than this. I live in the opposite corner of the us from you and Im tellin ya. The violent talk about war is on the verge of causing the entire northwest to call for canada and others to help defend the states if it escalates. Its getting bad and people arent happy

Peace love and happiness are what drive and grow the northwest rapidly. Hate and discrimination cause that to crumble

This. So. Much. This. Thank you, KJ.

I certainly was not a fan of Charlie Kirk or his beliefs, thus I find it hard to feel sympathy for him, but I feel sad for his family and sad for the situation as a whole. And it is scary that people can't seem to have disagreements without the risk of somebody getting shot now. :(

No one should lose their life over a disagreements.

Agreed

Absolutely right.

I agree with you as well I do feel bad for his family

Let's be honest, those hateful words against people of color, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities, woman, autistic/ADHD people, Latin Americans, Africans, Europeans, Arabians, Pacific Islanders, & Native Peoples, including African-Americans, Israelis, Canadians, & Mexicans which leads to unlawful assassination and those offensive hateful words has consequences. Unlawful assassination is not the answer to solve the problems and that's a crime. Well, KJBat... This is not how we want to solve problems.

This whole thing has gone beyond politics.
Someone recently tried to argue with me about that. I said, copy/pasted here: "whoever did it, right or left, is disgusting. Celebrating the d3ath of someone simply because you disagree with their beliefs is psychotic" and some randos still tried to push it politically, as though they can't see the situation through any other lens - "you don't know the political alignment of the shooter" and "you don't know if the shooter was left or right." IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. The act is WRONG. Celebrating it is WRONG. I don't care what side you agree or disagree with, the unaliving of others is BAD. You don't need to have empathy for him, but sympathy for him or the pain his family is going through would be great.

He said empathy is a "made up new age term", that gun deaths are worth it to keep the Second Amendment, that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, hated gay people, and many more horrible things. I say good riddance to him, he and every other MAGA nut aren't worth the time of day with how hateful they are and would best be forgotten.

The full quote  GondoTheDragon

Ah here's the full video

Thank you for helping prove my point, and that's just the tip of the iceberg of the hateful things he's said. I hope KJBat sees this and sees how hateful the guy was, he wasn't "sharing his viewpoint on today's culture" he was spreading hatred, bigotry, even homophobia, and to dismiss all he said & handwave it away as "not doing anything wrong" is really hurtful. I used to love this artist's work but after seeing this journal I going to have to unwwatch & unfollow them since this is something I can't stand, he wasn't some innocent guy just sharing an opinion he was a bigot whose views hurt many people and to dismiss that is disgusting.

Hey, at least you can go into it full-cocked. Happy to help.

I don’t think he should of die like that, especially in front of his family but the guy was bad news and he brought it own himself, all well 🤷‍♂️

This literally shows how evil people can be in these dark times. I too don't like getting involved with politics, but the people celebrating his passing are down right disgusting. They are proud he's De*d yet they are spitting in faces of his wife and two kids that he left behind. It's hard to lose a loved one after they pass away, it's even harder to see a child lose their parent knowing they will never see them again, this is how children get scarred for life and how easy it can be to destroy a child's innocence in seconds.

If anything, I would show more sympathy for Erika Kirk and her Children then the Assh*le democrats who got they wanted at the cost of one man's life. And as for Tyler Robinson, I think his reason for him hating on Trump (as many of us do sometimes) doesn't give him the right to pick up a gun and k*ll someone completely outta spite. You never ever say sorry when that trigger is pulled, and I pray that the darkest pit of h*ll will eat him whole when Tyler gets the d*ath penalty.

KJBat, I know this is a lot to take in for you, but we are living in dark times right now. I may not know what's going on in your shoes, but we have to be strong no matter how dark things get, and if we hit a fork in the road, we have to choose to either to help the people we love or help ourselves. I'm not telling you what to do with your life, like I said, I'm not in your shoes, this is your choice and yours alone.

Always be happy of who you are, and remember you are always loved, you have a lot more purpose than you think. Stay happy, stay strong, get lots of rest, and stay hydrated most of all.

Brett Swink (aka ChaseL95)

Tyler who that?

The Shooter who k*lled Charle Kirk.

Oh snap! they caught the killer already?!
I haven't been update about that part.

They even found the suspect had an accomplice.
Accomplice being lightly.

I also herd his boyfriend is a furry who has an account here on FA and also involved, if this is true then the furry community is going to be set back big time and FA is going to be in trouble.
Also the killer is getting the death penalty or at lest the court is trying to.

Thanks for this glimmer of hope in the furry community. My messages were full of so many, "I don't support political violence, but..." journals. I wound up unfollowing a few people here and considered just quitting the community altogether. People saying he had this coming for his beliefs on certain issues. When all they see us ideas they don't agree with, this kind of violence comes and goes easy. They forget the person. They'll offer obligatory sympathy to the family because they're complete strangers, but even that is nothing more than a formality. Thanks for offering genuine respect here and giving me enough hope to stick around a little longer.

I've yet seen any of those celebrating his demise even mention his family, let alone offer any sympathy to his family.

But I have been told that those kind of people, if they cannot be educated, must be eliminated. And that morality has to be thrown out the window because survival.

But what do I know? I'm just a facist apologist because I think murder is bad.

You're welcome :)

Exactly I had to unfollow someone like that, I felt very uncomfortable with my self when I saw that. Glad we got sane people here in the community.

Thank you for this posting. It is a message we all need to remember.

Taking one's life just because they disagree sounds is more childish. But celebrating it and asking for more violence only makes one look like a monster and inhuman. I agree that this has to end. I miss the old nerd days when all we cared about was movies, video games, and TV shows. Not politics.

It's like were not allowed to have nice things with out shoving politics in it.

yep, it's why a lot of us are going back to watching stuff from 1980-2010.

I agree with you hundred percent it’s hard for me to support certain people in this community when I see them in a good mood about his death. It’s free speech. It’s his opinion a lot stuff I didn’t agree with personally but still it’s tragic and he should still be here. Rip Charle and I wish the best for his family.

I'm from the outside looking in from the other side of the Atlantic. I knew who Charlie Kirk was from the videos and fragments I had seen and from reputation. To put it lightly, his views were strongly opposed to mine.

When I heard about the news, I was mainly shocked that it happened and escalated fast from there. Now, first and foremost, even though people can provoke violence by their statements, no one deserves to be murdered. Not even people I strongly disagree with. However, if you keep provoking enough, you will probably attract a lunatic who's not held back by such standards and play their own judge and executioner. This can start a cycle of violence, and that's not going to solve anything. Nor is blaming one side of the political spectrum for the violent deed going to help either (especially when it turns out these accusations were made over-hastily and they were not responsible for it in the first place), and sow even more division than the large gap that already is there.

However, what is strange that after having heard he died, I felt... rather strange. I disapprove of murder, but knowing what kind of person Kirk was, dismissing the emotions of the many, many gun violence victims, going as far as to say that empathy has done a lot of damage and that these victims they're a necessary "sacrifice" to keep gun ownership rights - I felt no grief, nothing to mourn about. And that made me feel uneasy, starting to question myself. When I saw people celebrating his death, I found that rather tasteless. I know these people may hate him, for reasons I can definitely understand, but murder is nothing to be celebrated. What did put things into perspective is that he was only 31, only two years younger than me. That's way too young of an age to go.

To put things into perspective: I come from a country with a much lower homicide rate than the US, and guns are practically banned. The ease these murderers get their weapons sounds rather absurd to me, and then people seem to answer that the solution is "more guns", so to make it even easier? I just can't wrap my head around that logic. Charlie was one of these advocates, and with this murder, his advocacy seemed to come back with painful irony...

On a side note, what I find absolutely baffling about this is that this whole thing was overshadowing the memorial of 9/11. The memory of over 3000 people that died for other political reasons, the banality of randomness among those victims, with many more families forever scarred. A nation forever changed in one of its most dramatic moments in recent history. All completely overshadowed by the death of one man. It sounds quite disproportional in my point of view...

To be fair I can't honestly say "rest in peace", due to him not giving the same kind of courtesy to all those who lost their lives in shootings he then used to further his political goals. Just... rest. And let this underline that violence is never a good answer. I fear for the future...

I was not really a fan of the guy and had my disagreements. But I 100% agree with your take on this... if we can't at least talk to or about those we have differing thoughts about, even when those thoughts are vehement disagreements, then we cannot hope to live in anything resembling a functional society. At some point, even those that can't see eye to eye on most things need to be able to work together on some things to make the world work best for as many people as possible.

No children should ever have to see their parents go out, I pray his family stay safe and this doesn't escalate Into an eye for an eye, and then the world goes blind. :(

I enjoyed seeing his public debates, people have got violent with him before (One just stole his sign when they had no counter argument at all, one got the title of secret THPS character, etc.) but he remained quite professional despite all that. You pretty much said what I could say about this Incident, what a world we live In... :(

I'm shocked to read what you posted, but in the best ways.
You are right on so much of this. Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die for what he did, and our culture is sick.
To hear someone else with that kind of thinking gives me comfort and faith.
Thanks for saying what needs to be said, KJ

You're welcome

To be perfectly honest with you, I don’t condone violence against anybody, but I can’t say I really feel sorry for Kirk because of the fact he was a shit person.

I mean, I barely knew they guy and never heard of him until the assassination. From what I've heard, yeah, he sounded like a terrible person. I don't feel sorry for him (his family, however, I do feel sorry for), but I think it's fair to not condone violence on people you don't care for.

That's a very mature attitude. Although the far right is often times very cruel and hateful, we cannot wish death or dehumization towards them, even if they feel that way towards us. We must be bigger than them, we must be better than them. Violence is never the answer, and the cycle of hate only stops when we stop it.

No
People in general is very cruel, hateful and biased. It doesn't matter if left or right. Actually I have received more hate in Twitter from the left than from the magas or the right. I have seen how left people say homophobic comments to LGBT people who don't like communists ideas or say something like "not agree, but you have a point"

I was all stoked up to unfollow you, which would have been silly. I agree with everything you said above. Instead, I made a little side trip to Ko-fi...

Thanks glade you're not going to unfollow me over this.

I agree with you 100%, no one has the right to take away someone's life, in fact all it's done now is made this country even more dangerous to live in cause now it's stirred up a hornet's nest and only makes us feel less safe to live here

What I saw was horrible....

What that man did to Charlie and people dancing on his de*th really proves we as a society need to look into ourselves.

What you said, makes me respect you more KJBat.

Thanks, society is really going down the drain

I agree. People seem to fave forgotten that we are all human afterall these days.

Absolutely and completely agree with you

I'm from Mexico and somehow I received feeds about it in my Twitter. People can agree or disagree with him but it's not good to kill him bc of his opinions and it's not good to mock him or celebrate his murder. The only thing that people do with that attitude is to give a bad name to their political views.

Yes, all he wanted was to have conversations... and for gay people to be stoned. And for trans people to kill themselves. And for people just to accept school shootings as a price worth paying for gun ownership. And for women to be subservient to men. And for 10 year old rape victims to be forced to carry their attackers babies to term.

The kicker? The guy who shot him did so because for all of that, he still didn't think he was right wing enough.

Don't worry, I'll keep my nasty left wing view that people like that are evil far away from you and your art now.

Thank you

You're welcome

Honestly I don't like talking about politics, especially online, but after reading this I'll give my two cents on the matter . I've known who Charlie Kirk was for years now, and I heavily disliked both him as a person and his "opinions" especially when it comes to race. He spent the majority of his adult life spreading misinformation, hateful rhetoric, and it was clear he was just another grifter in it for the money plain and simple.
That said he shouldn't have been killed and people shouldn't be celebrating his death. I feel sorry for his family, especially his children who now have to grow up without their father.
However I'm not naive enough to see the hypocrisy from both sides.
The fact that one side is trying to weaponize his death as a call to do more violence is telling, and surprise, surprise the people who are against cancel culture suddenly care about it now.
The reality is that this will be forgotten in a month from now since today people have the attention span of a goldfish and that the killer has been caught and he's not the part of any democratic they've been accusing him as for the past 3 days now.

Well said. I just read that Stephen King had to retract a remark repeated above. His widow Erika is suing for defamation.

"Oh right, I have a movie coming out that I'd like people to see, lol."

Finally some sanity, thank you.

In a weird roundabout way it's actually kinda nice how open some people are about celebrating/justifying/excusing it, it's basically just putting a giant neon sign over their head saying "I'm a horrendous piece of shit and should be avoided at all costs".

You're welcome.

Thank you for saying this.

*hugs* it's going to take all of us, a lifetime perhaps to really comprehend us, each of us, in this.

Well spoken. Thank you for posting this.

You're welcome

Proud of you for this, KJ. it's been a dismaying week watching people I love and admire dance on a man's grave. You will always be welcome in my Communities. Compassion is such a rare gift in this world I'm glad to see it's not been completely snuffed out <3

Thanks, it still blows my mind that people are dancing on the man's grave and talking about violence towards his family and anyone they don't like, it makes me sick, those are the type of people to avoid or report.