I'm not sure about the death threats. Encouraging people to ban other people for something you don't like, or rather saying that this guy was a fascist, in soft word "a lie", and that's what infuriated everyone.

And I find screenshot of that journal https://x.com/RoyCalbeck/status/196.....44515059728573

I'm out of politics, I'm not an American, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to write something like that.

Dude in question was a stochastic terrorist, he used his mic to tell people to kill people he didn't like.

Coming in here caling me a liar about that well that's just dishonest on its ownn. All you have to do is listen to what the man said and not try to twist his words into something more pleasant.

Also crazy that he said that when he also said this:

https://imgur.com/a/H53KXd6

https://x.com/RoyCalbeck/status/191.....78091273338950 and dude also has access to a COMPLETE BREAKDOWN of EXACTLY what dangers Project 2025 pose and all he can do is complain about people being worried about it.

https://bsky.app/profile/antraxglit...../3lz6uvopins2m and then you got his own friends saying this shiiiiit?

They're saying I should be investigated by the FBI for filing trouble tickets xD
and they got angry that I posted a video by Holy Koolaid, called him a moron, which absolutely doesn't make sense, HK is brilliant and eloquent.

I'm not getting into your's political arguing, I just wrote a suggestion.

All I know is that this guy was an ordinary family man and he was killed for his opinion.

You're extremely misled. He wasn't a family man, and he wasn't ordinary. He spent his whole career explicitly trying to get marginalized people killed with gun violence.

I know you don't want to get involved but I won't let the record go uncorrected.

Are we talking about Charlie Kirk or who??

Yes. If you haven't seen the videos of him saying that gay people should be stoned to death because it's god's perfect law, or that he would force his 10 year old daughter to carry a rapist's baby to term if she were raped, or that black people are unintelligent and unqualified and can only get high-level jobs by taking a white person's slot, or any of that, I could understand why you don't get the reactions to people saying he did no wrong.

But if you HAVE seen those videos and you just want to say that they're "out of context" or "he didn't really mean that" then I bring your honesty into question.

So many people insist that he has to be in context, but it doesn't usually make it any better. Even then, the people attempting to glaze the guy are acting in bad faith and hiding that they took his comments to mean that they're to try and kill marginalized people.

He absolutely was telling people that marginalized people should be killed, forgotten, erased, and denied.

He wasn't even just saying that to anyone, he made it his personal mission to say it to crowds of impressionable young adults and even kids and he put down and humiliated anyone that tried to argue with him.

Definitely! Its one thing to say that horrific stuff while on your own platform, but going to schools to do it is a special brand of sinister.

I can't trust anyone on the Internet without proof.

Why do you need proof to believe Charlie's own words are his own words?

So you're calling him a fascist because of what he said? He did not call for, but debated in debates.

And yes, I need links to these videos.

He *did* call for it, and he didn't debate, he trolled.

If you want to understand my way of thinking, Holy Koolaid lays it out perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rwWu1rJ7c

In general, before your journal, the Liberals and Democrats showed themselves from a very bad side - they laughed at a man who was killed for his thoughts. And it's not surprising that it happened this week and people haven't cooled off and the Internet screams will continue for a very long time.

One thing I can say is that Republicans are better than Democrats because they don't call for people to be banned for saying ALM and not BLM, and they don't rob stores or block highways, but just quietly create spontaneous memorials.... which the Democrats are spoiling and which is why they are spoiling their reputation even more.

I definitely don't identify as a Democrat or a liberal

Call me either a communist or a socialist, either one would be better than what we got going on here now.

I haven't committed to one or the other, I just want something where the populace is in control instead of wealth gathering in the hands of a select few.

And as for your spontaneous memorials, how about that fucking thing that DeSantis is doing to the rainbow crosswalk memorial outside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando?

The one painted on the road? Why was it painted on the road?

See you're using that as a shield for your real opinions. The fact that it's painted on the road is neither here nor there. It's not an issue. It isn't obstructed. It was approved by the city and thhe community which it served. There is no reason to deflect to the fact that it was painted on the road.

Well, then not shouldn't be surprised that someone left brake marks on it.

I have already said that I do not interfere in your internal disputes between two corrupt parties.

I'm not even an USA.

Brake marks???

Armed goons are standing around the crosswalk to keep people away from it

The state painted it black, and the people came out and repainted it themselves back to rainbow again, so the state responded by painting it black again WITH GUNS THIS TIME

That crosswalk belongs to the people who live there, DeSantis sent strangers to destroy it

"You will mourn the way I decide"

If he can do that, I can do this.

I feel myself like this middle dude here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1POPAt.....amp;name=small

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cs4Q5KuFPSE

This is you actually

If I was USA citizen - I create third party

As a memorial to the club that was shot up by a rightwing extremist a few years back, it's been tradition in those regions to remember those killed in the mass shooting. ... But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it? You want to find reasons to vilify. What happened to you guys going "Free speech, we should say what we want!" Where's your "Fuck your feelings!" now? Hypocritical behavior seems in line with you people.

He's doing the same thing Kirk did: PRETEND to engage in good-faith debate.

See why I don't bother being nice? They *do not* give a fuck about what's right, they just want to squash people and be snide about it.

-w-... Good point... Gonna block and disengage from this person. They are not trying to argue in good faith.

I'm hard-pressed to find a SINGLE Kirk-supporter that does.

I'll put this in other terms, terms you can understand.


if you get to tell gay people how to mourn their fallen and where they can and cannot express themselves...

If you set that precedent, and set that rule...

We can too. Because the rules apply to everyone equally.

If you can deny us a crosswalk then I'll deny you a page on furaffinity.

Poor little charlie, he can no longer spout bigotry like a ruptured sewer line.

Poor little charlie, who will teach his kids to hate women and minorities now?

Poor little charlie, whose currently burning in hell for using Christianity to justify his hatred.

These claims are part of a polarized debate after Kirk's murder, when emotions reinforced myths. Kirk was a controversial figure with toxic views (racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia), but the accusations of fascism and direct calls for violence are exaggerations. Political violence (like his murder) is unacceptable, regardless of the victim's ideas.

Bro he's literally on camera spouting fascist bullshit.

Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote there.
The last sentence.

That's not the point. The point is that everyone keeps saying he wasn't a bigot. He clearly was. Whether or not it was okay to kill him is a completely different argument that I'm not trying to make right now.

lmao stfu quit defending that sack of crap monster

Where am I protecting him? My position is neutral

pretty fuckin stupid that its neutral, the fuckin loser said he would make his daughter give birth even if she got sexually assaulted, go look it up

Man, I'm not a U.S. citizen, so I'm neutral in this situation. I didn't even know this guy.

I wrote from the very beginning that I don't participate in arnuing, but they keep me trying to join me into an argument, one fool even banned me for i'm not answer.

I just came in and made a suggestion.

The site is just trying to be apolitical, ban all expression from both (Republicans and Democrats).

This site is for art, not politics and machinations.

You're literally spreading nothing but misinformation and hate for a man who simply wanted to have an open discussion.

The death of this homophobe who would piss on me and my friends is so sad. Alexa, play despacito.

He didn't hate gay people, he hated insufferable narcissists like you.

He thought Leviticus was "gods perfect law" your insistence on denying his homophobia is adorable. :3

It's not adorable it's nausea inducing

I guess bro lives in the alternate universe where Charlie was famous for taking miles of dick in his ass. Not sure why else he's so mad that I'm not crying over a dead homophobe. It sure is weird that he cares so much though.

I'm stuck on the "Charlie was not a homophobe" horseshit

-w-... No. He was a manipulative propagandist, and you're literally falling for the grift. None of it was misinformation, it was literally his exact quotes. The man was antivaxx, he was hateful, he was homophobic, he was racist, and he was sexist. And he was a manipulator, who knew how to catch himself with how he worded things so that people like you could defend him. It's a brainwashing tactic, and you fell for it. I'm not even a 'leftist' or any shit, I just hate manipulative fuckers who abuse others. Many of his 'open discussions' were made with students who don't know shit about politics, or in some cases with literal plants.

The fact he wasn't murdered by a leftist nor a rightwinged bigot, but just some kid who didn't like his Hateful Rhetoric, says a lot, and you'll refuse to identify that, you'll try to paint it in a way that vilifies your enemies, and you will argue in bad faith, just like Kirk did, because something has to fit your narrative, something has to push your own agenda, because obviously, your enemies have those same things, don't they? They don't.

I'm learning a lot about furries this past week who are more willing to defend someone who would've wanted them in prison or dead. He was not your ally. You were his tool, nothing more.

Kirk deserved it. You know, when he got promoted to captain of the enterprise.

Next time some fascist tries to gaslight me that Kirk wasn't a homophobe, I'm going to reply by insisting Kirk LOVED having trains on him in response.

How can you spend your entire adult life saying that gay people shouldn't have rights and that they should be killed and still have people insist you're not a homophobe?????????

Idk man, shit is insane. I've already lost more than a couple of "friends" because I refuse to cry over a dead homophobe.

Yeah I lost a few too. I didn't know they were fucked up like that.

I guess in both our cases, we're better off without em. But shit man, this whole conflict is some asanine shit.

It's the death of honesty.

-w-... It's the way he worded shit. Kirk used manipulative styles of conversation to 'deflect' and give 'benefit of the doubt' to save him. Full of dog whistles that those who follow his perspective easily pick up on, and used in a coercive way that younger minds will easily get on board as a gateway into the bigotry. For example, he would quote the bible when it came to gays, making it seem like he's not the one who says it, but the bible... So he can say "I'm just quoting scripture". Or he would pull statistics from extremely biased sources that fit with his narratives. They're all Conman 101 manipulation tactics. I deal with these people all the time in journalism; they know how to sell, and sell he did.

So, in short, they're all also homophobes, they know he's a homophobe, and they're pretending like we're crazy for seeing it.

He literally welcomed gay people into turning point USA so stop spreading lies about him

He literally said gay people should be stoned to death stop trying to justify that with the fact that some gay people were on his show.

You are completely missing the point of what he said in that debate.

So he didn't mean what he said?

Maybe don't accuse people you disagree with as fascists while at the same time trying to report and deplatform them simply because you disagree with them. Which if you didn't know (which you obviously don't) is actual fascist tactics.

When people insist that others, like the majority of FA users, don’t deserve rights, or even deserve to live, that goes WAY beyond just a disagreement.

Memorials for such a person are not welcome here. I’m not the government silencing political dissent, I’m just a citizen exercising my right to report content that praises a notorious hate-influencer like Charlie Kirk.

An "open discussion on if gays and trans folks should have rights" because yeah, that's a debate people should TOTALLY have to have on the reg. It's totally sane and reasonable to make minorities justify their right to exist to weirdo bible thumpers.

Yeah asking marginalized groups to have to always argue for their right to exist just because someone calls it a "debate" is monstrous. Absolutely NOT up for discussion, because if that can be a debate then canceling Christmas could be a legitimate debate.

Not that they're in the same tier but I figured I would pick a topic near and dear to their hearts.

Mmm... Much like how trumpers are currently trying to get Trans people labeled as a 'terrorist organization'. Much like how so many of them are getting people cancelled for not kowtowing to their divine reverence of a man, where if you don't mourn, you deserve to lose your job? Much like those MAGA who have thousands and thousands who are being Doxxed and those same doxxing lists are being amplified by Elon Musk on X? Much like how they've threatened the lives of people who merely say "I won't mourn him", not even celebrating, just saying they won't mourn him? Tell me. Tell me, who's side are you on? Hm?

https://bsky.app/profile/marshmallo...../3lz7iz6ws2s2i

  zucca seriously?

Then replying to you after blocking you is against the Site's rules, and a form of harassment. They should move on after blocking you.

They said that and *then* blocked me, does that count?

They also replied to you on another piece after you posted this comment.

EDIT: They claim they've unblocked you. They're a Christian furry, those are always... Self righteous types... Approach cautiously.

I used to be a Christian, I know what it's like to refuse to listen to reason because you were told there's only one right way to live. It was not easy to get out of that.

I was raised on Christian ideals... Literal Jesus moral lessons... And I look at all these wannabe Christians who just cherry pick from the book to justify their hate and violence, not realizing they want to break so many fucking commandments... Kindness and Empathy was preached by Jesus, so was feeding and housing the poor, being kind to women, fighting tyranny, and helping the sick, all for free. He would be deported in modern day USA.

Jesus did some pretty questionable stuff too

For example he called a woman a dog for daring to ask for his help for her daughter. He said she didn't deserve it.

She was like "but even dogs deserve the empathy of scraps from the table right?"

And he was like "Well since you appropriately ingraciated yourself to me by agreeing that you're a dog (because you're not from my favorite region) then I guess I'll help."

Mhmm, the book has a lot of hypocritical points, so I guess I'm partially guilty of cherry picking the kindness over the madness, hahaha. 'w'!

I'm against cherry picking good points out of bad foundations, personally.

Outright calling him a fascist is... Very wrong.

No better than republicans calling democrats commies.

Also telling others to report art you didn't like was quite a bad move.

No it was not wrong, that shoe 100% fit his foot. He was outright fascist, and I don't appreciate the denials and obsfucation.

Videos of him repeating fascist talking points are readily available on the internet. All you have to do is look and be honest about it.

What fascist talking points?..

Like you don't know

Gay people should be stoned to death?
Black people aren't qualified for high tier jobs and have to steal a white person's spot?
Women should obey their husbands and not go to college or get jobs?
Trans people should kill themselves if they don't like that they can't get hrt?
It's acceptable that people die to gun violence every year so people can keep their guns?
Kids should have to witness public executions by firing squad?

Refreshed your memory??

God you live in a completely different reality.

Do you have any actual arguments?

Question: you obviously don't agree, but you read the journal. Responded to the journal. Continue engaging with the journal and other people talking about the topic that you don't agree with up to many many hours after the journal you don't agree with was written. I don't know about you, but when I read a thing I don't like or agree with or i'm obviously on the side of things that people are not happy with, I stfu and stay away from that particular thing. But, like Mr. Kirk, you seem inexplicably drawn to the heart of where you know you will get the most flack by being there and disagreeing to peoples faces and drawing a hard line against those people and seemingly without a solid argument in your favor. So, I gotta ask; "Why tf are you here at all?" It almost seems, much like Mr. Kirk, you're just trying to stir up trouble in a circle you don't like so you can point and laugh and say, "look! see how hateful and judgmental these people are?! I was right all along because they don't like me arguing with them to their face!" I mean, if a man jumps into a lion den with a turkey leg around their throat to prove that lions are vicious creatures, not a single soul on the planet is going to be surprised to see him painted around the enclosure inside of 5 minutes. But when someone does just that on a political stage and 1 person takes it to the extreme, suddenly you're grasping at your laurels in surprise and outrage. I mean, it sucks that it happened to that extreme tbf. I always assumed the guy would get his ass beat down eventually, but the bullet kinda caught me a little off guard at first. But, it didn't surprise me in the slightest. Point is, he poked the preverbial bear and got what was coming to him. The end. He isn't a martyr. He isn't a saint. He was a semi literate man with bigoted views hidden behind the veil of Reganomics, and psudo-christianity that feigns current rightist ideology. TLDR: instigating bad man got what was coming to him and no one was surprised except the biggots that supported him and they are mad that the people that weren't surprised aren't posthumously sucking his dick over it. That is the reality that we are ALL in rn.
-good day sir.

Holy fucking BASED Batman

Citation needed. Very so. These aren't quotes and I don't know in which context he said these, if at all.

Although I do for sure know that he did not say that "gay people should be stoned to death". In fact, I actually saw him say the opposite. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOmADH6EqoL/

Also about "it's acceptable that people die to gun violence every year so people can keep their guns", well, yes, just as people have to die every year in car crashes if we want to keep using cars.

Also, even if all of these are fully true quotes he said with context not mattering, these are still not fascist talking points but rather plain homophobia, transphobia, sexism, racism and just fucked up stuff. Not fascist. Just bigoted.

"He didn't say it, and if he did he didn't mean it, but if he did then it's no big deal, but if it is then you deserve it."

Almost the entire sequence in one post.

I'll not finding the citations again just for you to tell me it's out of context.

The quotes are viral, the videos are viral, if you need ME to do that work for you then you're not even serious and you don't need to be arguing in here.

There aren't any, people on the left just label people they don't like as fascists to justify their murder

Cringe

So instead of answering me you just go try ad hominems about me behind my back on a different platform.

https://imgur.com/a/iZG2eMH

I repeat: complete dishonesty from this crowd.

Dawg I just replied to a comment on some post. He said that it was his guess or whatevs and I simply confirmed it. I didn't respond here first because I think I already hopped off FA for the day?..

free block list in the comments

Fuckin' a, right?

>w>... They all repeat the same parroted sheep things. "Oh, that's not the right context" (The full context is worse) "He allowed x people" (So he could humiliate him or manipulate them.) "He never said that" (Give them the quote, they get angry and say it wasn't meant that way.) "You're disgusting, leftists are awful!" or "<Violent Threat>" (That one has happened a few times... Admins have handled those threats.) Fun fact, I'm not a liberal or leftist. I don't like Kirk because he was anti-science, and his words traveled. He was a manipulator, nothing more. There's a fucking furry YCH that's donating to Turning Point on twitter... Turning Point isn't a fucking charity, it's worth 400 million dollars, if not more, and it doesn't need some furry fuck's money. They're already planning on spending the funds to open new branches to grow, and it'll become a franchise based station of hatred. The difference is, without kirk's wit and speaking mannerisms, these people will be easily exposed for their racist, sexist, and hateful rhetoric. Kirk had one thing going for him... He knew how to catch himself to seem 'moderate' to attract flies to his shitpile so he could 'prove them wrong'. It was all a grift. And no one likes to admit they were grifted, so they'll double down. The fanaticism about it is terrifyingly similar to when a lesser Nazi officer was killed and turned into a martyr against communists during the early stages of Nazi Germany. Almost... To... A... T.... Exactly the same...

It's a recognizable pattern

"He didn't say that

But if he did he didn't mean it

But if he did it's out of context

But if it's not then it's no big deal

But if it is then you deserve it."

'w'! Haha, this isn't even a Kirk-related quote, this is a quote about Trump! Here's an old reddit version of it. https://preview.redd.it/trump-didnt.....d6fc50409e8d33

It applies to this recognizable, repeated pattern of denial and deflection and DARVO...

Looks like I modified the phrase a bit but it still works.

'w'! Nah, you used the more modern version. We can just apply it to anyone with a mouthpiece for the rightwing party. They always use those exact excuses when confronted.

I'm confident it will continue to grow.

Kirk will live on through us. I pray for your hate-filled heart.

He definitely won't lol you people already warped his image

I pray you someday learn to not worship bigots.

Charlie was a hateful man, if you cannot realize that, then god have mercy upon ye.

I thought you were a cool guy 5 years ago and watched you for it. All I got from you since 2020 was spamming political journals and bitter hatred for attention, and it was enough to drive me mad and get me to banned from several discord servers.

If you prefer to put your creative juices into crying about political violence than using it to be a better person, then stay mad and flaunt your finger over everything.

It's not my fault you got yourself banned, you're just proving how crazy you are by blaming me for your own behavior.

And I think it's PRETTY obvious that I'm not the one that's mad, here.

You're calling me mad over your mad journals. Suit yourself.

You're the only one in control of your actions. I don't make you act in ways that get you banned.

Blaming me is insane.

Then don't spam political journals celebrating people's deaths, knowing you'll get reported yourself, especially to certain authorities. : |

Fucking excuse you?

I can do what I fucking want. I saw how many people made fun of George Floyd's death, you get what you give.

I never made fun of Floyd'd death, but I don't torture myself over it either. You have no right to accuse me of that crap.

I didn't accuse you of anything. I'm just telling you that it wasn't me that set this precedent, and I refuse to be held to a different standard by people who act no better.

Threatening to report people to the authorities for disagreements is a form of violent rhetoric against the site's community guidelines. I'm starting to see why you got banned from those servers.
You're not getting your way, so you resort to escalation instead of understanding why someone does what they do. You can be a civil person, block Marshmallow, and move on with your life, but you felt the need to come here and pitch a story where -your- consequences occurred for -your- actions.
"I'm going to report you to the authorities" Do you know how bootlicker that sounds? "Oh yes, fascist daddy, kill that freedom of speech, do it for meeeee, you won't eat -my- face! *slobbers boot*" People are allowed to not mourn the death of others. People are allowed to celebrate the death of others. People are not allowed to tell others to kill others.

The way you're acting, I don't think you got banned because of Marshmallow's journals. I think you got banned for harassment. You took something personally, and retaliated with harassment and threats, just like you did in this comment. People don't want those kinds of people in their communities. You need to learn from your consequences, not throw blame on someone else. "Maybe I shouldn't of said that" not "Of course, it was Marshmallow's fault!"

Man eats entire chocolate cake, proceeds to complain about how much he hates chocolate. More at 11.

This chocolate cake tastes like ass anyways. I'd rather have one by someone else.

Then clearly, the solution must be to fuck off hmm? Go to other pages you must. Touch grass you shall.

You sure as heck love bad tasting chocolate cakes then.

It must not taste that bad if you're still here.

Let me rephrase and be more blunt. If you hate it here, and yet you stick around, you must more than a be a bit dull.