Yeah that's the funny thing to me. if you are local or state ICe acts all 'Now get out we don't care!" it's like they want people to dare to go after them. When said people do ICE acts like they are the victim when they provoke or bully others. If they were way more open on their current policies and let local lawmakers in. I would then be fine with how ICE operates

Looks like the denial-clashing is because of technicality. According to google ai, the elected officials in question are state and local while ICE operates under Federal.

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operates under federal jurisdiction, which provides the agency with legal authority to deny entry to state or local lawmakers. This is based on the principle of federal preemption, which asserts that federal law and agencies generally override state and local authority.
Federal preemption and constitutional authority
Recent policy updates and denials
Recent incidents show ICE and DHS have adopted new policies to formalize restrictions on facility access, particularly targeting unannounced visits by federal lawmakers.
Increased notice requirements: In June 2025, DHS imposed new rules on congressional visits. While federal law allows members of Congress to make unannounced oversight visits to detention centers, the new DHS guidance requires members to provide 72 hours' notice and staff to provide 24 hours' notice for visits to certain ICE facilities.
Denial of access to field offices: ICE has explicitly stated that it does not consider its field offices—which sometimes hold detained individuals for extended periods—to be detention facilities and has denied lawmakers access to them. Lawmakers argue this is a loophole to avoid oversight.
"Operational concerns" and discretion: New guidance gives ICE broad discretion to deny or terminate a tour or visit based on "operational concerns" or if officials "deem it appropriate to do so". This broad authority allows ICE to block access even after notice has been given.
The controversy and legal challenges
The refusal of access to local and federal lawmakers has become a contentious issue.
Opposition to restrictions: Lawmakers and advocacy groups argue that the new restrictions are an unconstitutional attempt to impede oversight of federal immigration enforcement and detainee conditions.
Lawsuit filed: In July 2025, several members of Congress sued the administration, alleging that ICE's actions unlawfully blocked lawful oversight.
High-profile clashes: High-profile incidents have brought the issue to the public's attention, including the arrest of New Jersey Representative LaMonica McIver outside a Newark facility in May 2025 and the denial of access to Maryland lawmakers in July 2025.
Why local officials lack authority
No power to enforce federal law: The anti-commandeering doctrine, established by the Supreme Court, prevents the federal government from forcing state and local governments to enforce federal laws. This legal principle also means that local officials have no inherent authority to mandate access to federal facilities, which are solely controlled by the federal government.
Limited cooperation programs: While some local law enforcement agencies may cooperate with ICE through programs like 287(g), these agreements do not grant local officials oversight or control over federal facilities or operations.

Federal control over immigration: The power to regulate immigration is granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the federal government's broad authority over immigration enforcement and its facilities.
Supremacy Clause: Under the Constitution's Supremacy Clause, federal law is "the supreme Law of the Land" and can supersede conflicting state regulations. Federal agencies, including ICE, are not subject to state or local laws that interfere with their federal mission.
Executive branch oversight: As an agency within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), ICE is part of the executive branch and primarily accountable to Congress and the President, not state legislatures or local officials. "

Do the roads to the ICE facility belong to the state ? Time to close them for urgent repairs ; they are too dangerous for traffic you see.

You realize the last “gun goon” that tried to cow ICE actually killed the detainees in ICE custody, and didn’t hurt a single ICE agent?

And there’s procedures to do an inspection,….

Forcing your way through the gates and assaulting federal agents is not one of them!

You realize the last “gun goon” that tried to cow ICE actually killed the detainees in ICE custody, and didn’t hurt a single ICE agent?
Not to sound cynical, but I see three reasons for that outcome:

1) He was a "gun nut" with no training on proper firearm handling and use, and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. (Unlikely, as statistically, 'missing the ICE agent he was aiming at' should have hit other ICE agents as well as detainees.)

2) He was a MAGA* performing a 'false flag' operation, attacking an ICE detention center so the MAGA mouthpieces could claim it was a 'Radical Democrat' who attacked the facility and drum up more hate among the MAGA masses.

3) He was a MAGA who was outraged that the detainees were being treated too well in the facility and wanted his chance to try and unalive some of "those people."

*I find it very hard to believe that a 'moderate' Conservative would do something like that. The 'moderate' Conservatives are usually content with just complaining that 'those darn liberals' ruin everything by taxing 'decent folk' and using the money to help 'those people.'

Actually none of the above apparently…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.....ooting-suspect

I stand corrected, and need to make an addendum:

4a) He was an idiot who shot at the cargo compartment of the van where the detainees were instead of the driver compartment, where the ICE agents were. (This feels like option 2 with extra steps, "Bizarro hate ICE agents, so Bizarro shoot at portion of van where ICE agents are not.")

4b) He was shooting at ICE agents in front of the van, and the detainees hit were tragic collateral damage. (This feels like a variant of option 1, he didn't hit any ICE agents at the start of the burst, when they were still unaware?)

Soo,… you’re still supporting shooting and murdering people for political beliefs?

Simply spraying bullets in a general direction because of perceived political outrage?

Doesn’t matter who dies, just do it to prove a point!

I said nothing of the sort. I personally believe that violence is the absolute last resort, as in; "We have talked and debated, and still you refuse to accept that I have a right to live. Therefore, if you try to deny my right to life with force, I will respond in kind."

I am merely trying to sort out the internal motives of a shooter, working with limited information. (There's so much going on, both out in the world and within my own family, that I cannot follow all the headlines, and even if I could, my ulcers could not handle the stress.

I personally believe that violence is the absolute last resort, as in; "We have talked and debated, and still you refuse to accept that I have a right to live. Therefore, if you try to deny my right to life with force, I will respond in kind."

Then we agree! 👍

Also;

1: I’m a “gun nut” I don’t train as much as I’d like, but I can easily hit a man sized target at 500 yards with several of my long guns…. So you’re partially correct in this idiot not being a conservative,… we would’ve targeted the driver, not the van in general.

2: did you miss the Charlie Kirk memorial? Why on earth would anything else be needed to mobilize the civil war the left seems to be provoking?

3: I am a MAGA supporter, and while I don’t want these illegals here, I agree they should be treated as humanly as possible while they’re being deported.
It’s an incredibly hard job given the last administration did such a good job inviting them in!

THAT'S what you got out of the Charlie Kirk Memorial?

Not a bunch of self-righteous bigots grandstanding and capitalizing on the oportunity of his murder to oppress the left, who had fuck all to do with it?

3: I am a MAGA supporter, and while I don’t want these illegals here, I agree they should be treated as humanly as possible while they’re being deported.
Would that include quickly and efficiently identifying LEGAL residents and American Citizens of Brown Skin before just shoving the entire crowd into the rental van to cart off to the detention center?

Zerrinth, I hold no ill will towards you, and I hope we can be friends, however, I have to point out that the people you apparently voted for are complete A-holes.

I was talking to a Polish coworker of mine last night….

Granted, he’s white skinned, but damn is his accent hard!

He’s a naturalized citizen, same as many Hispanics I know….

He actually asked when the actual hell will the right start SHOOTING back!!!!!

He escaped actual communism to come to the United States of America and live a life of freedom….

And now he’s watching in horror as the left tries desperately to plunge the USA, the country he swore his allegiance to, into abject communism!

I’ve had similar conversations with Hispanic and Asian immigrants who’ve actually taken the time to become naturalized and assimilated into American society and culture…..

Is the Trump administration “A-holes” ?

Yeah, for sure!

Are they protecting Americans of all colors and backgrounds….

Yes they are!!!!!!

I’m sorry, but a green card is NOT the same as being a NATURALIZED CITIZEN!!!!

Just talk to a naturalized citizen and you’ll understand.

I'm a naturalized citizen, and I can say with confidence you are full of....the stuff that makes you not listen, so talking to you is pointless. Shame on me for wasting my time.

So, having done the work, you support those who haven’t?

By all means that’s your right!

So volunteer YOUR monies to support them,…

Don’t try to alter the government you swore allegiance to to force people like myself to support them!

If you dislike America, as my polish coworker said “go the fuck home! Nothing is keeping you here!”

"Amerikkka, love it or leave it" -Zerrinth 2025

👍👍👍👍

Of course.

Aside from interjecting YOUR racism, it works 🤡

Please explain where I "Interjected my racism" there.

Kkk

That wasn’t lost on me…

So don’t pretend it was an accident.

Of course it was on purpose, and it was directed at the fascist and racist Drumpf regime.

What's racist about saying that?

Seriously, I enjoy your art, and your opinions.

And the fact that you haven’t blocked Sic means you generally enjoy the banter in your threads.

If you ever want to sell that P08 let me know!

Eh, don't sweat it too much, Karno.

This choad is bucking for a Darwin Award to go along with his Totenkopf.

There is an old German saying:
"If a Nutzi sits at a table with three non-Nutzis and nobody complains, there are four Nutzis at the table."

Or, if you prefer a more Biblical version:
"You shall know a man by the company he keeps."

You have chosen the table you sit at, looked at your company, and chose to stay with them. I'm sad to say that I cannot be friends with anyone to enamored with MAGA. I will not keep company with those who associate with racists.

I’m sorry you feel that way.

I’m sitting at a table of furries and homosexuals even though I’m a straight man….

I try to extend the olive branch, and get called a fascist because the left wing media can’t define what a woman is, let alone what fascism is.

Yes, I support Making America Great Again.

We do not need to be a swamp like the UK.

We are not a tribal nation like the Middle East.

We are a free nation, not communist controlled by the government.

We are better than all of that.

If you want to be any of those things… feel free to leave America!

There’s many other countries that will fulfill your wishes of subjugation.

Perhaps you should explain to us 'lefties' what era you are suggesting we return to in order to 'make America great again':

Do you mean the time before the Civil Rights Movement?
Do you mean the time before Women's Suffrage?
Do you mean the time before the Civil War?

Tell us, in your own words, what you want America to be. Do not just parrot the words of the 'leaders' you voted for, the leaders who are dismantling what there is of the American Social Safety Net, who are opening the doors wide to new epidemics of disease with their anti-vax rhetoric, who are literally following the Nutzi playbook from the 1930's by 'demonizing' minorities one at a time and trying to turn the common people against them.

Let me think…

Well, yeah America pre civil war was pretty good, we just beat the Brit’s and had our own country,… the whole slavery thing sucked though.

Mid 1900s America kicked ass as well, we were an industrial power house and pivotal global war machine,… still the racial segregation thing sucked….

So maybe the 1980s-90s?

Yeah, that time when the rednecks left their hunting rifles and shotguns in the back window of their pickups in the school parking lot rather than running down the hallway with them?

The time before we decided to open our boarders to any and all….

A time before some government schmuck decided outsourcing American jobs to foreign countries would be cheaper.

Yeah, I’m looking for that.

You’re fantasizing about Nazi Germany because that’s what your oligarch overlords want you to see.

It wasn't 'some government schmuck' who decided outsourcing jobs was a good idea, it was a corporate CEO.

It's pretty clear to me that you will never abandon the MAGA cult, and since I see MAGA as little more than the Klan swapping out their white hoods for red hats, there is no point continuing this conversation.

I will close with one final piece of advice "If you don't want to be accused of being a racist, have you tried NOT being friends with racists?"

“If you don't want to be accused of being a racist, have you tried NOT being friends with racists”

I’m sorry, but you don’t know me or who I am or who my friends are.

You have exactly zero reason to call me racist other than I’ve admitted I’m white!

That, is prejudice and makes you racist.

If you can’t realize your own hypocrisy then maybe our friendship is lost

I’m sorry that there is no “safety net” for you, I don’t have one either, so trust me you aren’t special!

America wasn’t founded on a safety net, if we were you’d be speaking the king’s English and paying taxes to get jailed for Facebook posts right now!

>and get called a fascist because

because they want to kill you. that is why they abuse the words fascist and nazi, kirk (among others) is proof.

Charlie Kirk? The fella who said that blacks prowl cities, attacking whites for fun? That Haitians rape your women and hunt you? Yes, why would no-one want to burn down a city or two in memory of this vicious racist? Clearly, the Klan is getting lazy. At the next konclave, you've got to stand up for Charlie! Rouse those redneck racists to riot! In Kirk's name!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YbXwOK3PNRQ

He walked away saying that he “got that white girl”

Racism is real my guy, and it’s a two way street!

✔

Uh-oh Karno, a conservative just sent you conflicting evidence. Which cliché far-left response do you do?

A: Be silent
B: Try to discredit the source
C: Just insult the poster and/or say orange man bad
D: Give evidence that behind your own claim - haha jk we all know that it doesn't exist.

I'd love to see this fabled video of Charlie Kirk being racist you all love to claim.

lol!

I too would like to see that response!

As to the Charlie Kirk racism remarks,… I haven’t seen that either,

I did see something that quoted bible scripture in response to his opposing orator that when taken entirely out of context could be misconstrued as bigotry against gays…

So undoubtedly the racism claim is exactly the same

eh kirk died by what he lived by . hate and guns.

Nobody is "Forcing theirr way through the gates and assaulting federal agents".

They're demanding the right to inspect those facilities that they've already been given, and instead being assaulted and abused by the feds.

Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwywwqedpl4o.amp

Yes.

Just because she was CHARGED with assault doesn't mean that she actually assaulted anyone, and that also completely dodges my original point.

Uhhhhh,…. ?????

Can you get more willfully ignorant?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/crock.....m-criminal.amp

Yes,… actually if you commit a crime… you are in fact a criminal!!!!

And yes, the dipstick that is ON VIDEO assaulting federal agents, is IN FACT, as proven by video evidence, GUILTY of assaulting a federal agent!…

You mean like the guy who "Assaulted" a fed with a sandwich?

There was nothing in that link from far right "News" source Faux that could be construed as evidence of any kind.

Oh, that POOR, POOR armed and armored fed. He was SO threatened. No doubt he feared for his very life...

Fuck all you are willfully ignorant.

Yeah, I posted the bbc video of the congresswoman assaulting federal officers instead of petitioning for the right to inspect the facility….

You claim the video evidence doesn’t mean anything,…

So I posted the video of the intellectual gymnastics of your very own Jasmine Crocket … claiming that committing crimes doesn’t make you a criminal….

And your obviously sky high IQ self relates it to the moron who threw a sandwich at an officer. 🤦🏻‍♂️

You’re seriously disturbed and don’t have the mental capacity to function in actual society….

Please get help.

...

As always with the lameass attempts at insults...

Do you REALLY have nothing better?

I didn't see anyone in that video being assaulted except for her.

Jasmine Crockett is not "Mine". Where did you get that idea?

I'm functioning just fine in society. I wonder about you, though. You're clearly beyond help.

Again with lame attempt to insult me.

You have nothing, just trying to push back against anything you see as opposing your views.

Guess what!

Trump said that breathing the air is good!

Please please please stop doing it!

You’re wasting the oxygen my trees so desperately are trying to create!

HAHAHA!

You're just SO pathetic.

You've got nothing, so this is what you resort to.

I’d say eat a dick,.. but that would be wishing you good favors…

See above.

How about ;

May the next dick you suck be infested with Syphilis and Gonorrhea.

May the crabs and scabies of a thousand prostitutes infest your loins and rot them unto your demise.


Is that better?

Idiot.

Nope.

Zero improvement there.

Cool.

I don’t actually care,

Enjoy your antibiotics for the next few months

Does that mean that you're gonna fuck off now?

Gotta have that last word huh?

I’d love to just fuck off,…

I’ve tried many, many times…

You are too immature to be able to do so!

Thank you for gaining me several watchers!

But kindly go back to beating your meat to scat pictures in your moms basement.

I’m not here for watchers.

So that point is mute.

As to intelligence,…

Well I mentioned a meaningless statistic,… and you flew into a tirade!

So, and I know this is hard for you….


You’re not that smart.

I’ve been enjoying trolling you!

I don’t hide behind false pretenses.

You and your antifa idiot friends are too scared to come out to the suburbs where moderates like myself live!

Because you know you’ll be beat down and dragged off to the police station!

FAFO.

The word is "Moot", Mr. bright guy.

You consider that a tirade? Whatever, dude.

I'm not chasing watchers either. I just seem to attract them.


I've noticed your trolling, and have been enjoying making you look like an ass.

Ooh, a threat! I'm SO scared!

And how am I "Hiding behind false pretenses"?

Says the idiot replying to himself to hide from the algorithm…

👏👏👏👍🤦🏻‍♂️

You're STILL harping on that tired BS?

You know damn well that's not what I'm doing. I'm "Hiding" absolutely nothing.

You've seen every single thing I've written, and in the years I've been here you're the only person I've ever seen complaining about that extremely common practice.

Just drop that pretense already.

And what the fuck are you talking about with "Hiding from the algorithm"?

Keep screaming !

Monkey

Pfft.

SO fucking pathetic.

You have nothing left beyond calling me pathetic?

Come on man this is civil discourse!

Your slurs have been proven false,

Your pretensions have floundered.

So all you have left is calling me pathetic?

If you’d like to see pathetic, look in A mirror.

"I know you are, but what am I" -Zerrinth

And a childhood response….

Next your gonna cry to mommy that the big bad Zerrinth guy on the interwebs hurt your feelers?

HAHAHAHAHA!

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/11225075

Do you REALLY think I give a flying fuck who or how many watchers you have?

You've certainly got a roster of right wingers following you. Not exactly a thing to be proud of.

In any case, I have WAY more watchers than you do, and in less time.

That may just be because I'm a far more intelligent and kind person than you evidently are.

That last bit is entirely a fiction of your own sick imagination.

Nothing wrong with inspections and audits from time to time. Clean out the dirt and such.

Sooo,… cuff the politicians to brooms and mops when they try to force their way into federal facilities?

Actually kinda like that idea!

It's WAY too easy to slip a pair of cuffs over the top of a broom or a mop. That'd never work.

So you would make YOURSELF a gun goon instead, and start a civil war over this?

You wouldn't stand a chance.

And anyone got any proof that our first civil war is actually over?

The way to solve this issue clearly won't be through gunplay.

“ The way to solve this issue clearly won't be through gunplay.”

For once I actually agree with something you posted!

The rest of all your comments to me,…

Would you prefer that they (conservatives) burned cities like the “summer of love”?

I do believe that the fact that Erika had the grace to say this

"I forgive him because it was what Christ did, and it's what Charlie would do."

Speaks volumes to the character of the conservative right!


And I’m a fucking pagan and don’t even believe in Christ!

None the less, no calls for murder, no riots in the streets….

Can you say the same and site sources?

Nope, you’re a hollow shell of a left wing mouthpiece.

Again, I thank all fuck that you’re anti gun and well over a thousand miles away from me!

I don’t need your static in my real life.

No "cities were burned" during the George Floyd uprisings. That's an EXTREMELY tired talking point, and we've already been through that BS claim before.

I fully agree with what Erika Kirk said, but she was clearly speaking only for herself and not any of the other "Conservatives" at that "Memorial".

I'm also a pagan who doesn't believe in Christ.

I'm against all Murders of anyone. Period. I shouldn't even need to say that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cekj4ceH7WE

Fiery but peaceful…..

You rely on the far right biased Daily Wire for yoiur opinions.

Need I really say any more?

Soooo, please sight your source on the left that counters that?

Show me media coverage acknowledging the fires as justified,….

And then show me and the whole world how Charlie’s memorial compared!!!!

I can’t call you the “R” word, because you’ll get offended and report me to the mods who are defending you and suppressing the first amendment….

But damn dude. You try soo hard.

As I ALREADY said here, we've been through this, and I already explained this to you.

This and the Kirk memorial and what the right wingers there said have no real relation.

The fact that you'd even make that last statement only proves that all you've got is your feeble attempts to insult me. Pathetic.

And the first amendment doesn't obtain on private sites, where the admins are entitkled to enforce their own standards regarding speech as they choose. Tough for you.

“This and the Kirk memorial and what the right wingers there said have no real relation.”

Are you serious?

No, of course they’re not directly related….

I wasn’t even saying they were!

It’s called a comparison,…

Floyd protests burned cities as I just showed you…..

Kirk memorial showed up in “Sunday best” and not a single car was burned?

Seems a valid comparison.

As to this site and free speech.

I already know it’s an echo chamber here, and the mods are just pulling in.

That’s not how free speech works….

Absolutely No "Cities were burned" During the George floyd uprisings.

Do you REALLY find it so hard to conceive of the spontaneous rage felt by black people who have been lynched and murdered by the state for hundreds of years and why they might react by burning the local cop shop?

Your comparison is just complete BS.

And do you REALLY not understand the difference between free speech in public being restricted by the government and speech being restricted in a private marketplace?

some folks seriously have a basic comprehension problem. lead paint chips possibly ?

Beats me...

Trouble with the pushed for civil war is both sides have firearms. And Republicans have very conveniently made it clear exactly where they live. Roadmaps there. And there is incentive to pick of targets. Very dangerous game they play villinizing the left.

The problem isn't the Right villainizing the Left. It's not the Left villainizing the Right. It's the oligarchs, and the politicians who serve them, deliberately creating mutual villainization. All so we won't notice who the real problem is, let alone band together to emulate the likes of... Happy Jack.

"If 100 black ants and 100 red ants are in a glass jar nothing will happen. But if you take a pot, shake it vigorously and leave it on the table, the ants will begin to kill each other. Blacks believe that blacks are the enemy and blacks believe that reds are the enemy. When the real enemy is the man who shook the jar. The same is true in society.
Men vs. Women
The Left vs.The right
Faith vs. Science
Black vs. White
Before we fight it out, we should ask ourselves: ‘Who moved the jar?"

money and religion. still going to continue to be entertaining to watch play out

"All political power comes from the barrel of guns, pussy and opium pipes. And people seem to like it that way." - Hunter S. Thompson

"For years, the far right clamoured for a civil war. When they finally got one, they soon realized that they are fat, unfit, middle-aged men that didn't fare well in fights." - Alan Foreman, www.poisonedminds.com

Also, I love how brightboy here brags on his FA about how he spent $900 on one-hundred rounds of .50 cal, like he's ever going to do anything other than very expensive target shooting. Granted, there's nothing wrong with that? I'd gladly pay to put a few of those monsters down range! No, the problem is his argle-bargle and hurf-blurf in his comments as he tries to make himself look like a badass.

He's not a badass.

He's a loot drop.

next summer its feasable to toss some aps downrange out of my big single shot 50

bring hearing protection the bitch is stunningly loud

just noticed loot drop.... ahahaha exactly

Another report from MSNBC?

So they were state and local politicians. Unless they were the building inspectors, fire inspectors, etc, doing their stuff in connection with building permits or whatever, they have no more right to enter than any other US citizen. They mention they were arrested during a protest, but no mention of the specific charges and circumstances, so gotta reserve my judgement there. US congress critters do have a right to enter and inspect, but they have procedures to follow, they can't just show up and demand entry. Until further data, sounds like showboating politicians fucking around and finding out.

Politicians hate being manhandled and humiliated by another politician's goons. Whoever orders his goons to do that to his rival politicians, starts an arms race: Do you really want to be "ruled" by whoever can assemble the biggest, most brutal goon squad? That kind of shit snowballs like crazy.

That’s not quite how things went down.

No Gestapo goons charged their offices and drug them out to the streets to beat and humiliate them.

They chose to try and invade federal facilities without proper authority to do so.

That makes them the same as common citizens like you or I if we were to try to do the same…

They, however think that they’re in a position of power, authority, and control, and can act however they want to!

So, rules for thee but not for me is their stance….

And that’s what your supporting by admonishing them of their blatant crimes.

"think that they’re in a position of power, authority, and control, and can act however they want to!"
- You just described Trump.

And 99% of all politicians!

Did you forget the last 8 years of lawfare against Trump?

How is it suddenly not fair for him to turn it back on those who openly used it against him?


I don’t agree with some of the petty things Trump is doing, but to that same end, they gamed the system to try and suppress him,… now he’s trolling them back!

The world is FUBAR, America has the chance to save it.

Or we could’ve had Harris to capitulate and make America just another colony of the UK again.

"It's okay when we do it" -Democrats

So, just how do you figure that one?

Sorry, I don't talk to Antifa terrorist fanboys.

What a total copout.

How very convenient for you.You clearly just can't explain yourself.

Unlike you, I'll talk with anyone about anythng.

I'm PROUDLY antifa, and appalled at anyone who isn't.

"we call ourselves the Anti-Bad Guy Squad and we label our opponents the Bad Guys.

How can people not understand this? We can never be the terrorists because we're fighting The Bad Guys. It's so simple to understand.
Everything we do is justified because of our name."

You're so full of shit.

You're deliberately ignoring and distorting what I actually said.

Read my actual words.

This sort of extreme reaching is clearly the best you can do.

You're a joke.

Dude has been gaslit for so long he's become addicted to it.

I keep asking for this proof that Charlie Kirk is a racist, sexist, etc, but all they have are more generic insults.

Do you EVEN know how to use Google, you complete ass?

Look up "Charlie Kirk beliefs".

Or is that too complicated for you?

It’s cute how toe beans and mountain cat are soo afraid of civil discourse that they blocked me, yet bounce echo chambers off of each other like they’re in a private room 🤣🤣🤣🤣🫏🤡

Yo toe beans, last person who thought I was a “loot drop” wound up in the hospital.

Come try your hand,… just make sure you’re prepared!

Your insurance paid up?

You good with god?

The question is here, you keep chesting up with bravado but are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? A lot of the magas left wing right wing etc do that. Then, they fold so damn fast its amusing.

I avoid conflict when I can.

I do so because I know what I am capable of doing.

I will absolutely kill anyone I need to in preservation of my own life, livelihood, and loved ones.

Don’t even think of hurting my dog.

No origami happening here.

I’m not a gamer.

I’m a survivalist.

Ooh, big boy hiding behind his guns...

We all know what that's overcompensating for...

Nothing.

I sent the last 🫏🤡 who thought my possessions were his to the hospital…

And I didn’t use a gun to do it!

I only struck him twice.

First he swung at me, and hit air… my repost landed solidly, and left me with his dental impression on my hand.

When he tried to get off the floor and lunged at me, he was apparently trying to kiss the heel of my boot!

After that there was literally a piece of bone sticking up into his eye….

I could’ve killed him, and he certainly deserved it.

So again, try to insult me saying I’m compensating for something or hiding behind a gun…

I’ll invite you the same way I invited toe beans!

You’ll cower behind the site mods saying I threatened you, then expect the government to disarm me because my guns scare you.

If anyone is compensating for something, it’s you and your missing spine.

Cool for you.

Yes, I would report you to the admins if you violate the COC. That's how we're supposed to deal with things here.

I could certainly report you for saying "But kindly go back to beating your meat to scat pictures in your moms basement."

A lot of people on this page clearly don't know what political theater is.

Oh, indeed we do. And it's not a good thing. Especially the way it's being weaponized by the far right.

Once trump meets his end. He is ancient with visable health issues. Then as this falls apart we are going to have to have long talks and legislate exactly where free speech ends and what is and is not protected under the first. We also need to address the 2ñd and who should not have weapons. Before someone bawls in great weaping tomes about me blocking them. That just means ive found you to stupid to try to actually have an intelligent conversation with and your to stupid to understand you are not worthy of my time. Thanks this has been your ted talk

Ps im native american we are the real owners of this land. :)

Don't you really mean that the land belongs to no one and that we all have the responsibility to care for it for the sake of our ancestors and progeny?

Perhaps you mean that you were the original caretakers of the land, and that we have no right as colonizers to claim ownership over it?

the land belongs to no one, as one cannot take land with them. the people who have a right to claim this as home are the natives and the people they choose to let occupy it. good catch.

:)

And that's an excellent point.

white people are native Americans. there was no Country called "america" before they came here and created it.

What a completely cracked argument to make.

Once again, you're completely full of shit.

Every time you open your mouth you make a complete fool of yourself.

okay this should not need to be said nothing im saying is aimed at anyone in specific and trying to talk to me literally is the definition of block evasion. .

So you admit you’re a fascist who believes that the only acceptable speech is identical to yours…

You believe that anyone who disagrees with your opinion shouldn’t have firearms.

And you’re too cowardly to engage in civil discourse to even consider that other opinions may have some validity.

Copy that.

You and simpfuckersatan both need to take a moment of inflection.

If you find that in your soul you simply can’t accept the American way of life, feel free to move to any other socialist or communist hell hole that fits your dreams.

Ps;

Cool for you.

The native Americans didn’t believe that the land could be owned,…

So your statement that you’re of the original owners of this land is a stretch at best, and an outright lie otherwise.

GODS are you ever completely full of shit...

And WTF is "A moment of inflection"?

I dare you to define "The American Way of Life".

I suppose by that you mean slavery, domination, genocide, and oppression?

And nah, we'd prefer to stay here, fight fascism, and make the US a better place that truly stands for what it always said it did.

>mean slavery, domination, genocide, and oppression?

you mean the things that humanity has done to itself since humanity has existed?

Yeah, GREAT excuse for our slavery, domination, genocide, and oppression.

We're SUPPOSED to be striving for better things here.

You may not care about little shit like that, but I do.