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Oh, THAT'S why! Now I feel dumb.
2 months ago
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Karno's Rare-Because-He-Never-Has-Time Blather:
I know I said I'd give you good folk some relief from the Orange Man Bad stuff.....but alas, artists are flighty, unreliable creatures. As you know all too well by now, I've been musing a lot on how Prump got into the White House the second time. The first time was fairly obvious: People would vote for ANYBODY other than Hillary, even if their only other choice was (yech) Dimbulb Donny, the sleazy con man.
But how'd he manage to pull it off the second time, with the country knowing full well what an awful person he is? I was flabbergasted. Until I read Robert Lee White's obvious-in-hindsight take on the puzzle. Turns out, that's exactly why he won! A quote:
"I actually think he won, for that precise reason. Because he had at least one fucked-up part to mirror the fucked-up parts of millions.
If you are a racist, you found your guy. If you are a misogynist, you found your guy. If all you care about is money, you found your guy. If you have an emotionally armored heart, you found your guy. If you make fun of disabled people, you found your guy. If you hate intelligent people, you found your guy. If you are a rapist, you found your guy.
If you are a serial cheater, you found your guy. If you are a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy. If you don't pay people for their honest work, you found your guy. If you are a hustler and a conman, you found your guy. If you mock people's physical appearances, you found your guy. If you long for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy. If you are dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy. If you are unconscionable in all your economic dealings, you found your guy. If you lie day and night, you found your guy. If you have never eaten green vegetables, you found your guy. If you are a white supremacist, you found your guy. If you have a hole in your ego so big that not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy. If you are a sociopath, and care not one iota about other humans, you found your guy. If you...
If he only had two of these issues, he never would have won. It was the fact that he had hundreds of them, that made him the winner.
Because millions of humans are toxic. So they could relate to him, in one form or another...
It's never been about trump. It's always been about the people who finally have their twisted feelings about others validated. trump has given "those people" permission to disparage and hate their fellow human beings.
trump is only symptomatic of a much larger issue of a collective toxicity. If there is a single sentence that characterizes trump it is this:
"He says the things I'm thinking."
That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans?
Who knew that tens of millions men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power?
Perhaps we had been living in a fool's paradise.
Now we aren't."
It seems I've been living in a bubble I was unaware of. I've surrounded myself with family and friends ("Friends are the family you choose") who are kind, intelligent, talented....generally good people, you know? Because who wants to hang out with assholes?
Comfortable in my personal bubble of upstandin' citizens, I was unaware of how many of my fellow Americans were small, shallow, selfish, shitty. Stupid and/or mean-spirited enough to vote for Trump, even. Not that the alternative to him that the Democrats vomited up was appetizing, lord knows. But maybe, possibly, she'd have been slightly less of a disaster?
Too late to wonder about that now. Seems it's America's turn to experience the famous summation of all Russian history:
"AND THEN - THINGS GOT WORSE."
But how'd he manage to pull it off the second time, with the country knowing full well what an awful person he is? I was flabbergasted. Until I read Robert Lee White's obvious-in-hindsight take on the puzzle. Turns out, that's exactly why he won! A quote:
"I actually think he won, for that precise reason. Because he had at least one fucked-up part to mirror the fucked-up parts of millions.
If you are a racist, you found your guy. If you are a misogynist, you found your guy. If all you care about is money, you found your guy. If you have an emotionally armored heart, you found your guy. If you make fun of disabled people, you found your guy. If you hate intelligent people, you found your guy. If you are a rapist, you found your guy.
If you are a serial cheater, you found your guy. If you are a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy. If you don't pay people for their honest work, you found your guy. If you are a hustler and a conman, you found your guy. If you mock people's physical appearances, you found your guy. If you long for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy. If you are dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy. If you are unconscionable in all your economic dealings, you found your guy. If you lie day and night, you found your guy. If you have never eaten green vegetables, you found your guy. If you are a white supremacist, you found your guy. If you have a hole in your ego so big that not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy. If you are a sociopath, and care not one iota about other humans, you found your guy. If you...
If he only had two of these issues, he never would have won. It was the fact that he had hundreds of them, that made him the winner.
Because millions of humans are toxic. So they could relate to him, in one form or another...
It's never been about trump. It's always been about the people who finally have their twisted feelings about others validated. trump has given "those people" permission to disparage and hate their fellow human beings.
trump is only symptomatic of a much larger issue of a collective toxicity. If there is a single sentence that characterizes trump it is this:
"He says the things I'm thinking."
That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans?
Who knew that tens of millions men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power?
Perhaps we had been living in a fool's paradise.
Now we aren't."
It seems I've been living in a bubble I was unaware of. I've surrounded myself with family and friends ("Friends are the family you choose") who are kind, intelligent, talented....generally good people, you know? Because who wants to hang out with assholes?
Comfortable in my personal bubble of upstandin' citizens, I was unaware of how many of my fellow Americans were small, shallow, selfish, shitty. Stupid and/or mean-spirited enough to vote for Trump, even. Not that the alternative to him that the Democrats vomited up was appetizing, lord knows. But maybe, possibly, she'd have been slightly less of a disaster?
Too late to wonder about that now. Seems it's America's turn to experience the famous summation of all Russian history:
"AND THEN - THINGS GOT WORSE."
Can't lose the loyalty of the military, yo!
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https://x.com/CurrentRevolt/status/.....46055034253749
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1979566198061703301
https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1979658018351677694
https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status.....15209800212712
https://x.com/westcoast_lyfe/status.....53806230294878
https://x.com/DogRightGirl/status/1.....43065574060227
https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status.....97408326856940
Oh, and here's MSNBC using a clip from 2017 trying to pretend it was a big event.
https://x.com/ThePatriotOasis/statu.....14255546687843
THAT'S what you consider proof of ANYTHING?!
The vast majority of your links were pages that don't exist.
And there was nothing weird about the ones that did.
Ah well, the good news from seeing all the old white hippies with too much free time being the majority of the protestors certainly offers some fun confirmation that the only supporters left are brainwashed retired hippies and violent young adults. And mostly white! They really got you with the white guilt, huh? Also, it makes me more open to your claims of not being a brainwashed kid with the potential to grow up.
I never block anyone.
I was gonna reply
"Jeez, are you ever full of shit. Just what world are you living in?
The fact that those Xitter videos didn't show up had nothing to do with FA. This is proven by my being able to see a couple of them. It was obviously an error on your part, and as I mentioned, relying on videos from randos on Xitter is proof of nothing. There's no context in them.
I was in the streets Saturday, and your narrative was COMPLETELY disproven there.
There have been exactly zero reports of violence at any of these rallies.
The simple fact is that these protests were joyous expressions of our First Amendment rights and true patriotism.
Meanwhile, Drumpf is stooping to moronic, juvenile exhibitions of hate towards those same patriotic Americans:
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:61320992
Just who's the brainwashed one here?"
A basic rule is to always consider the source, which automatically dismisses almot anything you might find on Xitter.
Absolutely no one was getting paid to be there. That whole idea is just laughable. Who can afford to pay over seven million people to protest, and how could they keep that secret if they did? I'd love some of that green, but it's simply not happening.
People are doing this for free out of true patriotism.
And regarding Badmunky 64's comment, Coolness is people of every generation gathering togather to celebrate their first amendment rights, which is what ACTUALLY happened.
Suuuure, wolly. Who told you that one?
The whole cringe factor for the recent no kings march has damaged the base. I'm sure a handful or two of young low-information voters saw the clips of all the brainwashed old hippies and realized how lame they are. Coolness is a factor.
Monday, September 17, 1787: The Convention Today
The day began with a prepared speech from Franklin (PA) who, eighty-one years old and painfully afflicted with gout and kidney stone, was unable to read it himself and delegated that task to Wilson (PA).
While the speech was formally addressed to Washington (VA), the Convention’s president, its purpose was to convince the three delegates who had announced their refusal to sign the Constitution—Gerry (MA), Randolph (VA), and Mason (VA)—to abandon their opposition. Franklin began on a note of humility. “I confess that there are several parts of this Constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them. For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that, the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others.”
“In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government.”
He didn’t think another Convention (which Mason and Randolph had argued for) would do any better than the first had. He admitted that the men in the room were all well-reasoned and had a diversity of opinions, making it difficult to find common ground. “From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does.... Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution, because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best.”
“On the whole, Sir, I cannot help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention, who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion, doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.”
Franklin then moved for the form of the signing to be such: “Done in Convention by the unanimous consent of the States present, the seventeenth of September, &c. In witness whereof, we have hereunto subscribed our names.”
And finally, toward the end of the convention...
Elizabeth Willing Powel: Well, Doctor, what have we got?
Benjamin Franklin: A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.
Powel: And why not keep it?
Franklin: Because the people, on tasting the dish, are always disposed to eat more of it than does them good.
The conversation between Eliza Powel and Franklin is recorded in the diaries of James McHenry Sept 18, 1787.
Those last two lines were not originally mentioned in the diary, and were only recorded as being added by McHenry, a staunch, anti-Democratic Federalist, in 1803. He made other changes to his recollection of the encounter, changing the question from whether it was a "Republic or a Monarchy" to whether it was a "Democracy or a Republic." Most agree that it would have been at a venue outside the Convention, most likely at the Powel household.
Franklin MAY have said words to that effect, though there is some skepticism. Mrs. Powel wrote to a relative in 1814 "I have no recollection of any such conversations ... Yet I cannot venture to deny after so many years have elapsed that such conversations had passed. I well remember to have frequently associated with the most respectable, influential members of the Convention that framed the Constitution, and that the all-important subject was frequently discussed at our house."
When there is trouble and people suffer, they always turn toward "strong men" or what they perceive as such. Trump gave the americans one simple idea and it worked : it's all because of illegals. This simple idea has the advantage of giving people hope that - yes - things can be fixed, even if it's bullshit.
Also Trump could do anything tommorow, things that other president would deem unthinkable. Nobody will argue that he's not gonna try to reach his goals.
Now imagine Harris or Biden in his place, would she be fixing the USA or just keeping it on life support as usual, printing money and letting inflation push people into trailer parks ?
Where I live, elections are run by volunteers from all (dozen or so) parties listing candidates. Every 18+ old citizen is entitled to vote. Country is divided to 13 voting districts so that proportion of about 5% of votes is needed for at least one seat in 200 seat parliament. It's currently not perfect, threshold in least populous district is about 10%. No much room for fraud or gerrymandering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2Wkr5YI
My dad turned me on to him. He had the records, and I grew up with them.
WAHOO!!!
People can wax lyrical all they want about how the bad raycis nazis voted for Trump, but the truth is more prosaic: he just ran a better campaign.
The part that bothers me the most about his presidency is... he's trying to end it. Not by losing or by getting voted out or impeached. He's trying to set the military up in such a way that if anyone tries to vote him out, he can retaliate with force... AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE OR BE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. You can't convince me no one sees what's happening, yet I hear NOTHING about anyone trying to stop it or even slow it down.
When his incompetence was made painfully clear during the debate, the democrat cabal ousted him and INSTALLED a woman who never received a single vote for the candidacy.
On top of that blatant dereliction of democracy, their installed puppet had the IQ of a cucumber and was apparently under the influence in many of her public appearances.
They kept her hidden from interviews because they knew the more she talked, the more moderate democrats would turn away from the party.
Trump won because he promised to change the things that the O’Bummer cabal had done to the country behind the scenes, and the democrat parties best card was “I can’t think of anything I would’ve done differently”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamal.....from-biden.amp
The democrats simply failed the American people with their lawfare, with their warmongering, and with completely inept candidates.
Trump's massive incompetence and DEI and DUI hires have done more damage then his god awful handling of Covid has ever done. Whats so funny is people have wanted to Go back to the obama administration years because thigns were much better and the economy was recovering and even his deficits were shrinking.
The GOP has nothing to offer the US, other then fearmongering, random bullshit, conspiracy theories, debunked election fraud claims, wild speculation and alternate facts
Trump literally signed an EO barring DEI practices in government! 🙄
Tell me exactly what's wrong with diversity, equity, or inclusion? Those things only make us stronger.
But of course Drumpf doesn't want that. He wants to divide and weaken us.
Very few people were for Biden running in '20, but the fact is that he ran and won.
when he was persuaded to withdraw from running there were what, 106 days remaining in the election? Do you REALLY think the Dems had time to hold a new convention, or that the Reps wouldn't have done the EXACT same thing if they found themselves in the same situation?
You're completely deluded and brainwashed by right wing media. talking points.
Karno found you a talking point to parrot with no other proof backing up your own opinion, so suddenly Trumps victory is “complex”
Regardless,
I was replying to Karno, not to you, you’re not worth my time.
Your refusing to acknowledge the many reasons that he won means nothing.
And I have a right to reply to any damn thing I please.
Have a good life
I've only ever posted things to you to make a serious point, like I did there.
* The current president (Luiz Inácio "Lula" da Silva) was, in a previous term of his, convict of serious corruption scandals (Lava-Jato, Petrolão, Mensalão)
* During the last two presidents' terms, his party (Partido dos Trabalhadores) (which, mind you, is left-alligned) has set up "investigations" and "trials" to clear Lula up for elections (because down here there's a law called Ficha Limpa, which basically means that a candidate has to have no criminal record in order to be eligible)
* They SUCCEEDED in doing so during the pandemics and steered the elections to give Lula the victory last election.
* On top of that, the authorities responsible for the (centralized) tallying of the votes refused to provide audit papers to prove there was no tampering, and given Electronic Voting Machines with no paper trails are used here, what is to guarantee there was no tampering?
* Lastly: they tried to censor and shut anyone who was actually exposing the fraud, and initiated a witch's hunt on any politician not left-aligned.
I compare Lula to Trump... Except way dumber.
It's awful that no good politician gets on power, and those who have potential are pushed aside by their own parties in some form (like Geraldo Alckmin, despite controversies and being Lula's vice-president, would be a better president by miles)
Makes me wish for Voodoo, perhaps use it to bring back Kennedy, Eisenhower and couple others too.
>Karno quotes something that is...quite literally, the 'Basket of Deplorables' analogy....That to vote for someone, the voter must be bad....they must be evil...they must be toxic...how else did he win?...
and then...also, certain people believe that fascists should be killed.
The person in the presidency is a fascist...The people who voted for him are just as bad...
So...using Karno's own logic...who is surprised when someone decides to...take care of 'problems' ...? Because they're fascists...who would mourn them when they die? Only other fascists....right?
Allow me to elaborate. This quote is saying that people who voted for Trump are evil, that they are sociopaths, that they are rapists, that they are insert evil thing here...And you agreed with it...You said, very clearly, that aside from your small group of people who you call nice, and good, and wholesome....and who, by sheer coincidence, probably did not vote for Trump? Aside from them, everyone else in the country must be evil.
What do people do ...to evil people? You must be able to follow the train of logic, a crazy person sees this book...reads your post...and comes to the same conclusion you seem to have. That half our country is evil...Therefore...something has to be done about it.
And your hands get to stay clean...because someone else did a terrible thing...you believe everything that crazy person believes...but you didn't go shoot someone.
It's wrong. It's...disgusting really. You posted that violence is bad, but you simultaneously believe or agree with this psychopath, who wrote that if you voted for trump, you must be a serial killer, or a monster of some kind,
You agreed... You said your bubble of politically aligned friends are good, your opposition, that is, people who voted for Trump, are bad....You're good, they're evil...That is the summation of that paragraph painting every trump supporter as a racist, sexist, etc...Then one of them ends up dead....one in Portland...two in Portland...Three....yet no one is going to attack you for inciting violence....It's unfair.
The worst part, honestly...is this game you play...You definitely don't condone violence, you just believe your political opposition must be rapists and murderers.....so when one ends up dead....Who's going to show sympathy? You? When the deed is already done? When your words already incited someone insane to do it.
Just admit at this point that you're okay with people dying, if you genuinely believe that half the country is evil, that some fraction of them are murders and rapists....because I could say the same.
I could say every leftist is evil in some capacity...A sweeping statement, just like the quote you posted above.
That there are trans rapists, there are child molestors who voted Democrat, there are swindlers, frauds, and murderers....And that all comprises the democratic party....It's a sweeping, grand generalization, that those people who cheer for wellfare and trans rights must also be virulent man haters to vote for Kamala and not Trump...They must be terrible Misandrists....
You are smart, Karno...You must know where this is going, but you still posted this...You still agreed with it's sentiment...
I cannot believe this....but really, It's the furry fandom, I shouldn't be surprised to see your mask slip. I just wish you'd admit it, that you really believe this, and therefore, it's fake when you show sympathy post killing...You cannot tell me you hold both views at once. That if you voted for a politican, you must be part of a very evil group...also when one of those very evil group of people is shot, you say violence is bad....Either stop generalizing, and agreeing with a generalizing person, or just come out and say you want people dead....otherwise any further sorrow from the next inevitable killing will come off as fake.
I apologize for repeating myself so much but it's so frustrating and upsetting...and incredibly disappointing.
Almost no-one is all good or all evil. Let's not let hysteria drive us to extremes, aye? Look what extremism & hysteria has wrought upon us already.
I'm just trying to point out that generalizing, and saying that one side 'won' ...that 'our guy' is in the white house because he got all the evil peoples votes....It's a recipe for disaster if you want to avoid a civil war...but people who talk like this, and as I pointed out, it's quite literally HIllary's basket of Deplorable's statement, it does not bring down tensions, it radicalizes people. This tactic was tried before, where people would say if you voted for this rapist, you were a bad person. I agree Trump is bad. I don't think I've ever defended his character, and if I have, I've since apologized for it...but he's still the president...He was voted in by a majority...He DID try to steal the election in 2020, and for that he should be condemned for his plot, but, well... in this very thread...
couger ~couger
Traditional Artist
a week ago
Death is inevitable. No one escapes the reaper.. And final.
Someone is making allusions to murdering the president of a country....You tell me, Karno...why is it people feel so comfortable wishing death on a man, duly elected?....Your fanbase...the furry fanbase....
Well, at any rate, thank you for replying to me. I don't think we can get common ground, if you insist on agreeing with an author who is so clearly biased. I'm not even sure there's any common ground left to find given how blood thirsty the anti trump crowd is...
One more thing, is how soft people seem to have become...saying Trump is toxic...Maybe that's a good word for it, but everywhere else, around the world that I look, I see people shrugging at his comments. Especially around the slavic countries, they really don't understand how whipped and soft America has become. This, the country that committed the most war crimes in history, is upset that the president is mean, and mocks people....it's so...petty, pathetic really. I'd be more worried about whether his economic policies are working, tariffs will hurt the country later on, with how it'll cause prices to rise, I can't really pretend to have the answer of how we solve a 30 trillion dollar debt, but doing what we've been doing isn't working, is it?
Oh damn it, my brain segued into economic issues...We were talking about how an author said trump supporters are comprised of rapists and serial killers right?....Does that kind of writing really sit well with you? it's so ostracizing and radicalizing for both sides to hear something like that. The same way people justified Kirk's killing by calling him a nazi.
I was hoping every 4 years we would elect a President that is the BEST of the human race....
that dream died