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A Growler apologist speaks --- Part 2!
16 years ago
General
Yep, I got a reply all right; TWO of them! You have to read this stuff to believe it...
Clearly you choose to report 2nd hand information.
That is not a sin, especially given that the information is correct.
The parts are all new.
Who are you trying to kid? Dozens of sources all caught and reported on American Growler red-handed, selling slap-dash Golf Carts made from salvaged M151 components!
The Growler meets ALL criteria.
It's REALLY easy to meet criteria that always change to conform to the poorest-performing vehicle, after it failed to meet established benchmarks.
Did it at first? No.
It failed the second time around as well --- and the requirements were changed again.
Why was it advanced? I don't know.
Because American Growler is a subsidiary of GDLS, who greases all the right palms.
Why use a french motor? I'm not sure.
It used a Brazilian motor, not a French one, that was built ONLY in Brazil --- the procurement of which would be a bald-faced violation of the Barry Amendment.
I could speculate, but that is what you have done.
I didn't speculate; rather, pointed-out that the Emperor has no clothes, and why.
YOU haven't proven a thing.
I've proven that the Growler is the biggest farce in the history of Pentagon procurement, and presented overwhelming evidence of this.
Believe what you want. I tried to share the truth.
Funny, your story is the POLAR OPPOSITE of the one that the press tells.
That means somebody's lying, and I'm inclined to believe that it's the party claiming the Grolwer can do things that eyewitnesses and the USMC's own documentation proves it cannot.
Oh, and how many of your "sources" have built them? Or seen them in action FIRST hand?
Growlers haven't seen any action. They're a dead-end White Elephant, which is self-evident to all but the most deluded who look upon a 5mph Golf Cart that can't surmount a mere 15-inch obstacle, has no assigned specification for Side Slope, and has no armor, windows, or doors.
And one final thought. If I sent you a pic of a HMMV with out doors would you believe the doors had been removed from all HMMV's? The growler does come with doors.
Doors are part of the Humvee's specs --- NOT those of the Growler. That much is self-evident from all the documentation, photos, and videos obtained by the press.
Here's my rebuttal to dlr71mi's second reply;
I work for the company that actually builds them. I have been done everything from the assembly line to inventory manager.
So then you're not the least bit biased, conceited, or financially-motivated to LIE by GDLS, your parent company? That you take money from the company who's buisness ethic has been described as "Catch-me-if-you-can" --- and sold the US military on such 'wonder-weapons' as the Sergeant York AA Gun, the un-workable EFV, the downer M1 Abrams that consumes half the US Army's annual Preventative Maintenence budget, and the "Kevlar Coffin" Stryker --- makes perfect sense.
Who you CHOSE to draw paychecks from speaks volumes of your character, credability, and intellectual honesty.
Come to think of it, I'll bet that was YOU being caught having a tantrum on-camera when CBS publically exposed the nice little racket your "business" had going;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NFmOob2mA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGGg9njci0M
You and your sources are wrong.
Is that because EVERY source not on the payroll of GDLS contradicts you, including the Inspector General, the GAO, and all the eyewitnesses who put their careers at risk to expose the Growler Fraud? Or maybe you thought you expect me to believe that dozens of media outlets just made-up all those reports from thin air, that tell a story contrary to what you're trying to dupe me into believing?
Just keep telling yourself that, because otherwise the undue risk that you have DELIBERATELY placed Marine mortar teams into will haunt your dreams for the rest of your life.
I predict that his next message will have at least one of the following themes;
1- Further denial of failure
2- A temper tantrum
3- "Not me, YOU!"
4- Repetition of the same claims
5- "You're just plain wrong!"
6- Links to GDLS brochures or press releases
7- A Straw Man
8- A Red Herring
9- "I'm telling on you!"
10- "You're a lying *******!"
Trust me --- I know how these types (don't) think.
Wanna make bets on which Fail Tactic he'll use next? If you do, I'll do a free commission for the person whose guess is closest to what dlr71mi's response ends up being!
Clearly you choose to report 2nd hand information.
That is not a sin, especially given that the information is correct.
The parts are all new.
Who are you trying to kid? Dozens of sources all caught and reported on American Growler red-handed, selling slap-dash Golf Carts made from salvaged M151 components!
The Growler meets ALL criteria.
It's REALLY easy to meet criteria that always change to conform to the poorest-performing vehicle, after it failed to meet established benchmarks.
Did it at first? No.
It failed the second time around as well --- and the requirements were changed again.
Why was it advanced? I don't know.
Because American Growler is a subsidiary of GDLS, who greases all the right palms.
Why use a french motor? I'm not sure.
It used a Brazilian motor, not a French one, that was built ONLY in Brazil --- the procurement of which would be a bald-faced violation of the Barry Amendment.
I could speculate, but that is what you have done.
I didn't speculate; rather, pointed-out that the Emperor has no clothes, and why.
YOU haven't proven a thing.
I've proven that the Growler is the biggest farce in the history of Pentagon procurement, and presented overwhelming evidence of this.
Believe what you want. I tried to share the truth.
Funny, your story is the POLAR OPPOSITE of the one that the press tells.
That means somebody's lying, and I'm inclined to believe that it's the party claiming the Grolwer can do things that eyewitnesses and the USMC's own documentation proves it cannot.
Oh, and how many of your "sources" have built them? Or seen them in action FIRST hand?
Growlers haven't seen any action. They're a dead-end White Elephant, which is self-evident to all but the most deluded who look upon a 5mph Golf Cart that can't surmount a mere 15-inch obstacle, has no assigned specification for Side Slope, and has no armor, windows, or doors.
And one final thought. If I sent you a pic of a HMMV with out doors would you believe the doors had been removed from all HMMV's? The growler does come with doors.
Doors are part of the Humvee's specs --- NOT those of the Growler. That much is self-evident from all the documentation, photos, and videos obtained by the press.
Here's my rebuttal to dlr71mi's second reply;
I work for the company that actually builds them. I have been done everything from the assembly line to inventory manager.
So then you're not the least bit biased, conceited, or financially-motivated to LIE by GDLS, your parent company? That you take money from the company who's buisness ethic has been described as "Catch-me-if-you-can" --- and sold the US military on such 'wonder-weapons' as the Sergeant York AA Gun, the un-workable EFV, the downer M1 Abrams that consumes half the US Army's annual Preventative Maintenence budget, and the "Kevlar Coffin" Stryker --- makes perfect sense.
Who you CHOSE to draw paychecks from speaks volumes of your character, credability, and intellectual honesty.
Come to think of it, I'll bet that was YOU being caught having a tantrum on-camera when CBS publically exposed the nice little racket your "business" had going;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NFmOob2mA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGGg9njci0M
You and your sources are wrong.
Is that because EVERY source not on the payroll of GDLS contradicts you, including the Inspector General, the GAO, and all the eyewitnesses who put their careers at risk to expose the Growler Fraud? Or maybe you thought you expect me to believe that dozens of media outlets just made-up all those reports from thin air, that tell a story contrary to what you're trying to dupe me into believing?
Just keep telling yourself that, because otherwise the undue risk that you have DELIBERATELY placed Marine mortar teams into will haunt your dreams for the rest of your life.
I predict that his next message will have at least one of the following themes;
1- Further denial of failure
2- A temper tantrum
3- "Not me, YOU!"
4- Repetition of the same claims
5- "You're just plain wrong!"
6- Links to GDLS brochures or press releases
7- A Straw Man
8- A Red Herring
9- "I'm telling on you!"
10- "You're a lying *******!"
Trust me --- I know how these types (don't) think.
Wanna make bets on which Fail Tactic he'll use next? If you do, I'll do a free commission for the person whose guess is closest to what dlr71mi's response ends up being!
On another note, I'm gussing dlr71mi is the, "Further denial of failure," type.
I've also noted that you voted for a #1!