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15 years ago
[6:02:39 PM] TheFurfag: How old are you?
[6:02:48 PM] Crassus: 32, you?
[6:02:55 PM] TheFurfag: 18. :3
[6:02:57 PM] Crassus: Ahh
[6:03:11 PM] TheFurfag: I had figured you were early 30s, old man
[6:04:08 PM] TheFurfag: And I take it you're a furfag?
[6:04:15 PM] Crassus: Excuse me?
[6:04:24 PM] TheFurfag: Are you a furry?
[6:04:39 PM] Crassus: I'm not a furfag, thank you.
[6:05:02 PM] TheFurfag: Just wondering, since you had showed us the work you did for the website for that furry con
[6:05:17 PM] Crassus: I'm a furry, yes.
[6:05:35 PM] TheFurfag: The two words are synonymous for me. My apologies
[6:06:34 PM] Crassus: And that's what's troubling about the furry community today, imo.
[6:06:43 PM] TheFurfag: What's troubling?
[6:07:04 PM] Crassus: The fact that more people are relenting to the haters.
[6:07:16 PM] Crassus: It's like calling ourselves niggers.
[6:07:34 PM] TheFurfag: I don't really consider it a thing of hate, either. I guess to me it's just akin to how everyone on /b/ is reffered to as a fag
[6:07:42 PM] TheFurfag: newfag, oldfag, etc
[6:07:56 PM] TheFurfag: But I understand where you're coming from.
[6:08:33 PM] Crassus: It's the haters who started it. Now it's become institutionalized just like every other form of racism.
[6:10:08 PM] TheFurfag: Furry isn't an integral enough part of my identity to have really thought about it all that much
[6:13:21 PM] Crassus: Racism, at its root, is simply one group of people making themselves out to be better than another. Whether it be based on location, ethnicity, sexual preference, what have you... you can get infinite combinations, and then people start saying, "It's not racism." But the root is the same. "I'm better than you so I'm going to push you down into the dirt." And when you get the group of people being oppressed assimilating those terms of hatred into their own culture, you get furs calling themselves furfags.
[6:14:46 PM] Crassus: Soon it becomes cool, trendy, but intermixed with that is this sense of identity that you ARE inferior, and you're merely putting up with the oppression, accepting it as part of yourself, and that's a really unhealthy thing for a community to do, because then they really DO start losing their sense of self worth, and they feel like they need to start fitting in with the dominant culture who's oppressing them, and I see that happening all over the fandom.
[6:15:12 PM] Crassus: Erotic furry art isn't "yiff art", anymore, it's "furry porn"
[6:15:29 PM] TheFurfag: I hate when people bitch about what words other people use
[6:15:35 PM] Crassus: The fandom is quickly turning into a bunch of partiers in fursuits rather than a collection of artists and fans.
[6:15:57 PM] TheFurfag: Someone yelled at me for 10 minutes because I said yiff. D:
[6:16:20 PM] Crassus: I say let them yell at you, and flip them off while you're at it. If they have a problem with it, fuck them.
[6:16:37 PM] Crassus: It's like "boyfriend" versus "mate"
[6:18:10 PM] Crassus: The entire idea of relationships in the furry fandom was very uranian in nature, mixed with eastern culture, open polyamory and naturalism.. now it's "sluts." The whole frame of idea what is and isn't acceptable is really important, and that's reflected in what language people use with each other..
[6:19:39 PM] Crassus: It's like what's happening with raver culture. PLURR was a word that was made and modified to give the ravers a sense of community, and it's quickly being washed away. Most ravers have no idea that their community spurred from the poets and hippies leftover from the 70's in Haight-Ashbury
[6:21:30 PM] Crassus: It's conformity versus non-conformity. The entire generation of people who rebelled against "the man" is struggling horribly to retain its sense of identity amidst this huge force of mainstream culture controlled by the very thing which we're all trying to escape from.
[6:22:36 PM] TheFurfag: I understand
[6:23:13 PM] Crassus: So no, I'm not a furfag... people can call me that if they want, but I'll just keep flipping them off.
[6:23:27 PM] TheFurfag: I apologize.
[6:25:38 PM] Crassus: Oh, and btw, I'm not an old man, either, thanks.
[6:02:48 PM] Crassus: 32, you?
[6:02:55 PM] TheFurfag: 18. :3
[6:02:57 PM] Crassus: Ahh
[6:03:11 PM] TheFurfag: I had figured you were early 30s, old man
[6:04:08 PM] TheFurfag: And I take it you're a furfag?
[6:04:15 PM] Crassus: Excuse me?
[6:04:24 PM] TheFurfag: Are you a furry?
[6:04:39 PM] Crassus: I'm not a furfag, thank you.
[6:05:02 PM] TheFurfag: Just wondering, since you had showed us the work you did for the website for that furry con
[6:05:17 PM] Crassus: I'm a furry, yes.
[6:05:35 PM] TheFurfag: The two words are synonymous for me. My apologies
[6:06:34 PM] Crassus: And that's what's troubling about the furry community today, imo.
[6:06:43 PM] TheFurfag: What's troubling?
[6:07:04 PM] Crassus: The fact that more people are relenting to the haters.
[6:07:16 PM] Crassus: It's like calling ourselves niggers.
[6:07:34 PM] TheFurfag: I don't really consider it a thing of hate, either. I guess to me it's just akin to how everyone on /b/ is reffered to as a fag
[6:07:42 PM] TheFurfag: newfag, oldfag, etc
[6:07:56 PM] TheFurfag: But I understand where you're coming from.
[6:08:33 PM] Crassus: It's the haters who started it. Now it's become institutionalized just like every other form of racism.
[6:10:08 PM] TheFurfag: Furry isn't an integral enough part of my identity to have really thought about it all that much
[6:13:21 PM] Crassus: Racism, at its root, is simply one group of people making themselves out to be better than another. Whether it be based on location, ethnicity, sexual preference, what have you... you can get infinite combinations, and then people start saying, "It's not racism." But the root is the same. "I'm better than you so I'm going to push you down into the dirt." And when you get the group of people being oppressed assimilating those terms of hatred into their own culture, you get furs calling themselves furfags.
[6:14:46 PM] Crassus: Soon it becomes cool, trendy, but intermixed with that is this sense of identity that you ARE inferior, and you're merely putting up with the oppression, accepting it as part of yourself, and that's a really unhealthy thing for a community to do, because then they really DO start losing their sense of self worth, and they feel like they need to start fitting in with the dominant culture who's oppressing them, and I see that happening all over the fandom.
[6:15:12 PM] Crassus: Erotic furry art isn't "yiff art", anymore, it's "furry porn"
[6:15:29 PM] TheFurfag: I hate when people bitch about what words other people use
[6:15:35 PM] Crassus: The fandom is quickly turning into a bunch of partiers in fursuits rather than a collection of artists and fans.
[6:15:57 PM] TheFurfag: Someone yelled at me for 10 minutes because I said yiff. D:
[6:16:20 PM] Crassus: I say let them yell at you, and flip them off while you're at it. If they have a problem with it, fuck them.
[6:16:37 PM] Crassus: It's like "boyfriend" versus "mate"
[6:18:10 PM] Crassus: The entire idea of relationships in the furry fandom was very uranian in nature, mixed with eastern culture, open polyamory and naturalism.. now it's "sluts." The whole frame of idea what is and isn't acceptable is really important, and that's reflected in what language people use with each other..
[6:19:39 PM] Crassus: It's like what's happening with raver culture. PLURR was a word that was made and modified to give the ravers a sense of community, and it's quickly being washed away. Most ravers have no idea that their community spurred from the poets and hippies leftover from the 70's in Haight-Ashbury
[6:21:30 PM] Crassus: It's conformity versus non-conformity. The entire generation of people who rebelled against "the man" is struggling horribly to retain its sense of identity amidst this huge force of mainstream culture controlled by the very thing which we're all trying to escape from.
[6:22:36 PM] TheFurfag: I understand
[6:23:13 PM] Crassus: So no, I'm not a furfag... people can call me that if they want, but I'll just keep flipping them off.
[6:23:27 PM] TheFurfag: I apologize.
[6:25:38 PM] Crassus: Oh, and btw, I'm not an old man, either, thanks.
Unfortunately, you are now in the same boat as Bill Cosby. You are a "previous generation" of a community that is accepting and celebrating the terms of slur and stereotypes that the outside has foisted on it. It is a futile fight that you cannot win. But hey, life is defined by conflict. When you give up, they win.
But it's more than simply just getting older and being around the fandom back when it was smaller. It's about retaining a sense of community during massive and sudden expansion. It's kinda like SimCity. At first, it's struggling to maintain a balanced economy, but when you get things established, you suddenly find yourself with a large surplus of funds, so what's the instinct? It's to develop areas of land and expand out because it's fun, but the problem with that is once you've developed everywhere on the map so quickly, there's nowhere else to go, and the land value drops tremendously... That happens everywhere on every scale. When something grows too large, too fast, it ends up making everything crappy. In the case of cultures and communities, all the commonalities that hold us together need to be maintained, or else we'll just end up being assimilated into the mainstream.
if he hadn't called you an old man and hurt your ego you'd have still been licking your chops
oh wait he's 18
probably not your type huh