banning gay marriage is very agenst what USA stand for

*nods* exactly!

Well...I don't really care about the gender; it's the character that counts.

Not allowed to be married "YET". How's the news outta' CA on that Appeals Court if there was an appeal?

hehe pansexual are we now? *giggles* and I havent checked in on that lately

Yeah; I guess you can call me that.

I haven't heard outta Cali lately either on that.

*nods* same here, I havent checked too much outside of Cali

I meant hearing news coming out FROM Cali.

ME! ME! ME! IM GAY 8D

I would love to marry my mate. I don't know if i can do much on fighting for our rights, but i'll see what i can do.

hehe well usually participating in protests or signing petitions usually helps :3

............i'm in a small ass town! No one protests...no petitions....nothing....the gayest thing we argue about here is Twilight...

good point X3

the town is ok with gays (thoug few dont like us) but the state's not. so...we cant protest cuz....the town is fine with gays.

I'm bisexual, but I have a boyfriend right now

*nods*

Well, I consider myself as a bi, but for your question, I don't really am in religion, so I don't even plan on marrying. But yea, I plan on fighting against those closed-minded people for it and hapiness to those who wants their rights, including myself. :D

Yaaaaay! :D

Congrats for progress

Huzza!

&hugs tight*

But yeah, I would get married & I support gay marriage

Yaaaay! :D

I would marry and will support once I know how, and see if its possible XP

hehe well taking part in protests and signing petitions help

ah, ok. Thanks Xp

I personally am not gay but I would fight for gay rights because if you really love someone and that feeling is mutual then you should be able to marry them where your gay or lesbian

Thank you <3

Welcome most straight couples hate each other in today's society so if there is true love don't be forced to hide it let flourish because we need more peace and stuff like that in our world

I'm not gay but Ricardo AKA my IRL big bro supports gays

I'm not exactly gay (Bi with a heavy male preference), but I love that we're making some progress. I'd get married in a heartbeat, should the time be right. And as for not being able to before...I mean come on. Let's look at it from a purely financial standpoint.

Gay Marriage = MORE Marriage = More money spent on weddings = More money into the economy

And even if that wasn't the case, how fair is it that two drunken rednecks who hate each other can get married and divorced in a grand total of 15 minutes in Vegas, when two homosexual men or women who truely and genuinely love each other are denied that same right? No fair.

I'm Bi... but it seems with more males only contacting me, it's making me wonder if I should go to the gay side. ANYWAYS, I'm a pacifist in matters with the government. 'Long as it doesn't mess with how I live, I don't give a damn.'

And since as far as I know that Oklahoma hasn't banned on gay marriage, I'm happy like it is for me. As for the rest, I do hope y'all get what it is you hope to gain. ^^

I dont have a special someone .-.

Neither do I :O

LET'S GET MARRIED!!1!

Its all so sudden. >//////<
Psh, :B

Don't you see? THIS IS TRUE LOOOOOVE!

PS: What's your name?

True love only exists in books D;

PS: Tobias

Then let's get between the covers and ruffle through the sheets baby ;D

Wow, I'm lame.

*backs away* o.o

We're getting a divorce.

i'm gay and yes

I find it stupid that we are treated differently just because we love differentky than "normal" people (ugh, don't get me started on that) And yes, i would fight to spread the acceptance that is only right.

well the angry christians of course appealed the descision but its pretty much a done deal if a judge deemed it unconstitutional

but me, im fucking ready to wear that ring and be like "YEEEEEAH IN YO FUCKKIN FACE!"

I like equality, but I confess that various life experiences have led me to be cynical about the whole ceremony of marriage. I do appreciate more of the 'rights' aspects of it. Like wills and hospital visitation rights. This can be done down here, but with a civil union.

Which is just as well because I am not one for all the pomp and circumstance of a wedding.

Erm... not gay per se... but i am bi.

Since the special someone in my life is a guy, i guess i would have to say yes.

Not saying i would say no otherwise, but saying yes know has a little more backing to it.

One problem though... UTAH. No way in heck can i get married here.

F*cking Mormons...

well im up here in the great white north :D but if i could help u guys out id do it in a heartbeat, after i herd what the cathlic church did in new york i was furious, plus i whent athiest in grade 6 because of that (and many other) reasons

Not gay here, straight, as you likely know, however, i believe that a gay/lesbian marriage is just as meaningful and important as a straight one, and I really think that it should not really be an issue. I mean, its not an issue what race, colour, age or kind of person you marry, so why should sex have anything to do with influencing it...

I think the whole thing is stupid and headdesk worthy xD
Equal rights no matter what sexuality FTW !!

Taluthus

I'm gay and believe in the right to marry but with the way people bitch and complain about the "sanctity" of it all I feel it would be best to take baby steps with "civil unions" and THEN marriage, that way we have rights in the first place. I personally wouldn't marry or have a civil union unless it's with someone I know, without a doubt, that I will be with for the rest of our lives. People change all the time so I don't want the heartbreak that comes with that kind of commitment just because we happen to think it's a good idea at the time. That and ceremonies are ridiculously expensive, even with the smallest of parties these days. I'd rather spend the money on a vacation where we're both alone and don't have to worry about how our families and friends thought about just one day.

I just hope marriage or civil unions can be made regardless and fast. I'm tried of hearing the same propaganda, hate mongering, bigotry bullshit from bible thumpers and homophobes. We have enough trouble in this country besides gay marriage but since it's readily available idiots comes out of the woodwork to make up statistics out of their asses. People are like "Hmmm...our country is in major, ass fucking debt. This will require lots of reading on economics and politics as well as finding a news media that ISN'T obviously in league with a party and isn't biased. OH WAIT, TEH GHEYS WANNA MARRY! HUR DURR DURR! I KNOW LOT OF FACTS ON DEM BUTT PIRATES! LET'S MAKE UP SHIT ON THE GO, ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE SON AND HOLY GHOST!"

/preaches to the choir.

Gay here

And currently it was declared unconstitutional by I believe a federal judge in California, however it can (and more likely than not will) be appealed to a higher court. I don't know how far up we are, but it's creeping ever closer to the United States Supreme Court.

Would I get married? Well right now I don't have anyone to marry. But I would not rush in and get a marriage license, even though I'm aware many people did that. I feel like doing that is damaging to our image, and right now our image is crucial. The "Good Fight" isn't simply getting equal rights, but also getting equal acceptance in society.

However, would I exercise the right to get married if it was available to me? I've thought about it, and currently, I'm leaning no. I don't like our marriage system, and as useful as marriage is, I almost desire to protest that system altogether by refusing to get a marriage license.

However, the benefits ARE nice... we'll see!

Would I continue The Fight? In a sense, by simply being gay. I feel bad for not doing more for The Cause. I *will* be going to a pride parade this fall, which should be fun. But that's not really for The Cause. I don't think I need to do anything, because I see it all playing out, and I have a strong feeling that in time, the LGBT community will acquire its legal rights.

What we cannot change is the LGBT's societal position. We're screwed there, but you know what? I think we like that. We don't want to be seen as "the same" as the heterosexual community. We want to be accepted and treated as equals, but recognized as fundamentally different. Similar to women. Women and men are equal, but they are different. And I don't want to get offensive, but I think that there's the same kind of sentiment from the African American community. Blacks are equal, but there is a sociocultural difference that many blacks experience, that put them in a unique position. Same with any other ethnic group in a wannabe pluralistic society. Equal status and treatment under law, while occupying a unique niche in the overarching culture.

So in a sense, The Fight is a performance, a play. Other nations in the UN have already gone to legalizing same-sex marriage on a national level, and so in time I can see the United States following in suit (after all, we just recently handed the federal government some of our rights for the Patriot Act; it's time for the pendulum to swing the other way and start demanding more civil rights at the "cost" of national security).

But come on guys and girls, we've suffered. Each and every one of us has been through at least one experience, and we've all felt that societal pressure against us. We've all had at least one moment in our lives when we've flinched under our culture's stinging gaze. We're not better. And we don't deserve special treatment. But we've suffered. Not as much as the older gays above us, who I think deserve far more respect than we give them. All the old bears, hardcore butches, and other old gays and lesbians deserve our eternal gratitude. They made a cultural push strong enough to give us the freedom to find our sexual direction early on, and have given us the freedom to enjoy being gay early on.

So I will happily raise my glass to you older gays, and I will happily drink to the dream where gays and lesbians of the future don't have to suffer. This may be like hazing, and we might feel it's "unfair" that they get a free ride where we suffered through puberty and our youth to find out We're Different. But come on guys. It was hell. I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone.

Here's to the veteran gays that witnessed Stonewall, the current gays that started the Day of Silence, and the gays of tomorrow who might not know how hard it used to be.

I'm Bisexual, and treat each gender equally. Each person I base on their maturity level and not their qualities, it's all about the brains, not about what they can do in bed.

As for the "Battle Against Gay Rights" I am against it. Why is this? I am a very politically-oriented person, and I just think more marrying (which leads to more DIVORCING) will cost the state money.
Which, California, is the worst state in debt out off all the states in the U.S.! So this was just a very bad decision in all!
From my own perspective, I've seen just so many Gay's and Lesbian's that have been able to maintain a relationship for not over 6 months.
and I know a lot of gays and lesbians, outside of the net and in.
They had already talked of "being engaged" and "being so infatuated with each other", but either they get into one fight or one or the other cheats and ultimately they just break up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm even against straight marriage. I won't be marrying anytime soon with my mate, even if we might have a child someday, a stable living situation, and jobs of our own, and have been with each other for five years, no dice.
I'll talk that 10 years from now...
I just hate people who say "Let's get married after (insert months - two years) of relationshipping, oh and also I'm (15-20)....shut up and go to school and get a career and don't end your life with being a stay at home mom/around the clock laboring father!
People, this person will be with you forever, think it through your thick skull before you say these words.

In all, these are just my opinions, nothing directed solely towards you, Huttser.

I think I hear what you say, and I agree to the extent that the legal institution of marriage is a hassle nowadays. Divorce rates are crazy, the cost is crazy expensive, and the entire process drives people crazy.

However, you've confused me with both being against the LGBT movement for equality and your anti-marriage stance. I understand your anti-marriage stance actually. I agree that it's a bit against the American Creed to institutionalize the ideals of a single cultural view, but I think that the two are unrelated. Are you saying that you're against gay marriage BECAUSE you're against marriage altogether, or are you against gay marriage on another basis (branching from the anecdotal evidence that you don't see gay relationships last long, which is generally a truth; gay relationships as a whole seem to last much shorter. Then again, straight relationships end frequently as well)?

Ultimately, do you think that gay marriage would really harm the nation? Do you think that denying the right to marriage would give United States a good position in international relations, when many Western nations have already legalized it on the national level? If it's about money, I think we should change the marriage/divorce system altogether, not simply deny a minority the right to marry because it's convenient. It's a balance of civil rights and bureaucracy's welfare. Besides, I thought legal fees of divorce was the couple's burdened, not the state's. Am I wrong on this? o.o

Sorry for the long response. It's a mix between curiosity and ... well, it's curiosity :P. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything. I totally respect your opinion. Like Voltaire said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Or something.

Yes, I think gay marriage would be a harm to the nation. Many western nations may have already legalized it, but they are not the U.S., and they have different laws, and different economic situations as us.
Also, remember that each state has it's own set of rules.
On average a divorce in California is $2000-$3000, this takes time and effort to get this money to go down to zero. State workers negotiate with the couple on who get's what, and how everything get's shared. Moreover, usually theses custody battle's last up to 10 years!
Costing the state a lot of money that we don't have.
Also, from what you said up top on the "Straight relationships end frequently as well", it's just my opinion, because I know a lot of gay/lesbian people. Gay/lesbian people in my opinion are very unstable with themselves, especially when they are young.

In all, this is just about marriage that I am against. Gay's should have rights to be human, not treated so horrible as to be beaten to death or correctional rape just because of what they do in bed; but these are just my opinions. ):

I think the difference of opinion is that I feel that the right should be available, and the marriage/divorce system should be changed (I personally believe that you should PROVE to the state that you're a good couple, and marriage is a REWARD, not a RIGHT. Yet all couples have the RIGHT to be CONSIDERED EQUALLY for the benefit).

I see your point, and money is, unfortunately, critically important for a state to function. And more unfortunately, the systems in place for marriage and divorce are awkward at best.

But let me throw this in the pot, gay divorces would be easier overall since there generally wouldn't be children! (In California, children are assigned a "Children's Council" or somesuch lawyer by the state.)

Instead of giving gays and lesbians the right to marry, how about we make it a win-win and take marriage away altogether? ;)

Just because it would "cause debt for the state" as you call it, is no reason to stop our rights to get married. We aren't treated as equals with people taking that specific right away from us. And you make it sound like it will all end up as divorce which is not right to do in anyway.
Not to mention Gay couples have been proven to last much longer then Straight relationships.



Regardless of how our economy is, Straight marriage will always be there, and while Straight Marriage is still there, we will still be treated differently and we won't be equal, not to mention even if Straight Marriage was stopped, how much do you wanna bet, the economy would be MUCH MUCH worse, and not to mention it would cause outrage, though they would know exactly how we feel.


Just because you don't feel the closeness to someone that you actually know that you wanna spend the rest of your life with that person, that doesn't mean you should think that marriage for us should be stopped, just because you dont think it will work. Until you know how love actually feels and know the person long enough you know its the right decision to get married with that special someone. And people shouldnt get married when they know each other waaaaay too soon, that I dont think its right of course, for either type of relationship. You need to know if the person your with is really the right one for you, obviously.


But still, something that is much better at succeeding, and not to mention help boost the economy by pumping money into the system for the Marriage license.


Not to mention there aren't as many Gays as there are Straights, obviously, and not even all those Gays are planning to get married, and not to mention those who do, that number is still small.




You make it sound like it will crash the economy with the small amount that it is.
It sounds more like an opinion on relationships together as a whole, regardless of sexual pref.
Your focusing on something that won't hurt our economy badly at all, you also make it sound like our state is gonna crash and burn once it happens.




And I understand these aren't directed solely at me and I respect your opinion.

America is not a country of true freedom. America is like all democracies of the present and the past, a country of majority. Whoever has the dominant vote usually has the most power in the system. We are only gaining more rights due to our growing numbers and thus our growing force

*Noted, this doesn't mean I am fully against Gay Rights, just the marriage bit. I am fully aware of the laws put in place and the benefits marriage gives you, but there ARE ways around that, I can assure you. Think of outside America and what gay's are dealing with in India and Africa, were "correctional Rape" is legal for just about anything, since the man rules those continents. Yeah, that bit is not cool.

Legalize Liberty. :)

Oh yes, I'm very, very gay :D

When I saw that Prop 8 was overturned, I jumped right out of my seat. One day, I would love to get married to the man I love (I still need to find him xD). Like Foxboy5692 said, America indeed is not a true country of freedom. Marriage isnt sacred anymore, our divorce rate is higher than ever!

i don´t know, but as you no, in this world no body is perfect, look at the actors, come ones are gays, Brintney is lesvian and Cher too, and in all the world too, thats why my friends told me that why nintendo Wii haven´t create a game called Gay wars

I would get married to a male, If I was mated and they would probably have to be a fatty fur. Oh murr~ <3
Also, I live in the bible belt, so I doubt my state will ever be legalized.

I'm Gay and hmm idk =P