I remember this day really well even thought i was just 7 years old and i live in austria

Funny story, I just posted a journal about how I had to educate some people today. It was very interesting.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1705535/

Well, i've explained it each of 9 years. So, here's short version of "annual" report:

Goverment planned set up. Kosovo, Afgan, Iraq, Vietnam - all on the same script: 1)boom! 2)"it's terorists!" 3) Reverenge, money. 4) ellection support. The end.

Oh, forgot.

It's not USA fault either in this conflict. USA is milions of people, who knows life cost is higher, than some shitty oil.
So.... it's only fault of few men ontop of country.

Peace, folks.

lol good but Funny teory!

Damn Capitalism!

Erm.... *looking around* yeah, "theory" alright

I'm really disappointed in you.

After a month, journal was posted... You know what? I don't care. I Know it's easier to folow what president said about it and start pointless war, than admit he was main sleeze and get him off his post..

Just i'm choosing hard way for the truth, even if whole FurrA will hate me for that.

Russian, the "9/11 was an inside job" was propaganda manufactured in the U.S. for internal consumption. Similar to your Bravda, or Pravda whatever its called over there.

to add, I'm afraid you've read old propaganda material from the U.S.
If you contact me in private i will debrief you.

Well, you said your friend, let ME say mine.

I know most of you think we're know nothing but papernews about U.S. So as some of us do about R.F....

And i know internal jobs not from some yellowpage, i knew this script too dang well, because chechen conflict was built on the same way:
1) Massive terract (target of which by the way was on some important people (who knew something bad, about Putin and his group)),
2) Then "peacemaker" mission to "sugested enemy basement" (and for real - to place, where was goverment interests)

3) In whole mess it was easy way to stick "I'm fighting people, who killed your relationships" in re-election days.




And for the end, if you dissapointed, that i'm not a zombie of "mass" knowledge you can go. But calling me "russian" instead of "bro" or even "dude" is sounds abit rassist. Like calling mama "hey, woman!"

Are you ashamed of being called Russian?

Russia has a rich culture, and history. Nothing wrong with that.

Calling you a Russian isn't racist. Russian is a nationality, not an ethnicity.

Russian Furries, call me "American, or Cowboy". I do not take offense. Neither should you.

I've worked with Russians, and I've fought along Russian National's. I have no qualms with Russians.


Either way. contact me on messenger.

Sincerely, The American.

"Cowboy" is such a "handsome", no comparing.

But again calling friend with a race - it is a bit offensive. Even if you didn't meant nothing like it, it still does.

I mean yeh, we calling our gurls "heyya, bitch!" sometimes, like on the playful note. But in some "usual" disscussion it'll be sound rude.



About messenger... no. You have your point, i'm not trying to make you think another way. So neither you try, f-rend.

Russian is not a RACE, is a NATIONALITY!

Whatever, f-rend.

my opinion is you shouldn't automatically connect Islam with terrorism.

I don't believe in any religion but i tolerate and support one's choice and right to practice any religion with the acceptation of people being harmed by the practices. whoever the acts of the terrorists on 9/11 had nothing to do with the beliefs of Islam and there were Muslim victims in the 9/11 attacks who died!
The idea that people get by judging the acts of one person who might happen to be in the same group of another who might have done something bad is what us as furries especially should learn NOT TO DO!

Just cause someone who happens to be Muslim and does something bad in the name of god does not mean all Muslims are like that, the same as just case one furry goes on national tv and makes a foll of them self and says something that we all don't agree on when they represent our community doesnt mean we are all bad either!

I have learned alot about Islam the last few years and i will tell you it's people and it's followers are some of the kindest and least violent people i have ever met, just cause they are nice doesnt mean some of them arent but i wouldnt judge a group of people by the actions of one person in their group!

For anyone reading this, please show respect to Islam and your fellow man, dont burn a Quran today! (For all thoes thinking of this as being national burn a quran day)
This is a day for remembrance not a day to show revenge on a meaningless cause my showing disrespect to a large percentage of the world and giving this world one more big reason to hate America even more!!

I know this is very controversial but just listen and consider what i have to say

There's also, George W. Bush, who said one of the most inspiring things about 9/11 some years ago, and I'm paraphrasing.

"Our enemies here are not our friends of Islam. Our enemies here are those that perverted their religion, those men that are traitors to the religion and waved the banner of their religion falsely to justify their actions."

And I believe that to a tee. The attacks of our country from the past had a positive effect from a negative experience, for a little. Then right after that, all America did was open up a whole new can of worms of hatred. It was ironic to me. It brought the nation close together for a few months, then, we started to combat each other once again as we started finger pointing and nonsense. How, we were supposed to be united as a nation, a nation who was built to be free, as a large melding pot. But instead, the actions of a few, brought forth racism and religious intolerance to whole new levels, and it was riduculous.

There was a story of a woman, who's son went into the North tower 9 years ago the day it was attacked. He went in to try to rescue some people. He was a Muslim man. After that day, he was never seen again. She feared the worst, his mother did. But...people around her, people would send her hate mail calling her a terrorist and her son, a coward, for they felt that he did not go in to rescue, but instead, he went into hiding. Until a year or two after the incident, they found his body. He was no terrorist nor hero, he was a Muslim, and a hero.

I don't think people understand that...why is it that the actions of a few, poisoned the mind of so many, to cause the innocents to be alienated. And that to me, is horrendously sad. The only voices that are heard these days are those of the extremists. The ones that wish to help and do good, sadly, go unheard, but when you hear people that wish to start burning Quarans, people who would set fire to Mosques, people that would simply label a human as a terrorist because of the deity they believe in or color of their skin, in the end, those are the voices that are heard.

We are a world full of problems, and it's saddening to me that I see finger pointing, hatred, and death, instead of this world uniting to help each other and gain strength through resources. Until we stop worrying about war and hating each other, then maybe this world would actually start getting on its feet and we can start moving on to the future instead of being stuck in the past. That's my voice.

And the cycle of hatred continues. From what I just saw and heard, there is also a bit of a response of the Quaran Burning that was supposed to take place (By the way, the Pastor of that church decided to cancel on it), but, it's already taken its toll. The fact he announced it, has brought forth attention from London, where pictures of him, as well as American Flags, pictures of, or the real thing, being burnt along with it. This is so sad to me. This whole world's so full of intolerance it's just...really painful and really sad.

ignorance brings such things about, humans always want to blame something. There will forever be hatred and war.

my prayers are with the people who offered their life when they entered the buildings to rescue civillians

It was a horrible event, the first time in years and years and years that someone from another country was able to attack the united states on its own soil. It was so sad and even though I was too young to really understand what was going on, it transformed and united our nation for a brief time and the aftermath is still rolling throughout the world. What we did afterwords was done in haste, but the American people expected the president to do something retaliatory, but the movements could have been far more calculated and thought out. The even was horrible and true heroes were shown in the firefighters and others who tried their best and did what they could to save the people hurt and trapped and the passengers of the plane that went down on its way to the White house. It is a day which can not be forgotten but the aftermath is sometimes worse then the event itself........ mew..... *glomps your tummy*

I think that it's terrible that the attacks happened, and my heart always goes out to those who lost any kind of significant other. At the same time, I hate the attitude that all Muslims are terrorists. Only a vocal minority are, just like a vocal minority of Christians bomb clinics and shoot doctors.

I remember the day when that happened. I live in Poland but I was truly afraid. There's nothing worse than murder on innocents.

I think it was the government.

This is why i hate my country.

The county is the people if you wish to show anger, then blame the organizers, the government. The people are your family, your friends, your neighbors, your enemy's, yourself. The government are the ones who placed the promise of aiding their country's people, to organize and protect.

If you dislike it, then work to be the next one in charge of things.(it's very effective) Try to improve the world and not grovel and bark. (moaning and not doing anything is not very effective.)

I said that, in the way of "I hate my country because its full of people who believe ^ the above."

Making any efforts i do, whether in the military, or Law enforcement make it absolutely moot since the majority of the population doesnt want to be helped or sees me/who i work for as the bad guys.

Go into politics? (what I meant) I am mostly under the impression you are bothered by the corruption you see. Go in there and weed it out. Is what I meant.

I just see hating the over all because they believe something as kind of ignoring their perspective, maybe they are right? Maybe they are wrong? It is perspective that lead them to their conclusions.

unlikely

Evidence show otherwise.

What evidence?

When the tower crashed down, interviews from people who escaped from the building said they had heard explosions under them.

The way the building fell was also exactly the same as one that did in a controlled collision.

hm, i will have to look into this matter then.

Every religion has different levels of fanaticism and crazy. You should look at the recent past and present of the more orthodox and fundamentalist wings of Judaism and Christianity. I'd say it's at least close to the fanaticism of the radical wings of Islam. This is not to single out religions, but to make a point that religion (and any ideology for that matter, be it religious or not) can be perverted and used to abuse people. Most Muslims I know want to be good people, do well at school and work and stuff, have fun, hang out, chill, play video games, munch on (halal) burgers, etc. Don't lump the moderates in with the fundamentalists, and don't make out Islam to be the only religion capable of fundamentalism.

Hm that is not very tolerant, and shows a great deal of prejudice and ignorance.

If you wish to rant about such things look at Christianity, it was not to long ago, women were treated as property, becuase of ideals of the religion. When they went to "take back the holy land" any city they went though suffered, and at one point they sent children to try to fight, most of them (the ones who went the right way) ended up being put into slavery.

Religions have their flaws and flashes of stupidity. To bunch all people up in one category would be foolish and insulting to not just that religion but your own, and the nation you come from, or at the very least yourself.

What you state is not even the extremist of the religion, it is a religion of it's own, created by a group who were power hungry, and upheld by those who grew up to it. Islam is not the religion that is that, it is only the flag such power hungry people wave. Just as such things were done waving the flags of other religions or nations of the past.

I had hoped that this would be a wake up call to us, to reconsider our policies in the rest of the world that were creating people willing to destroy us. We did not do that. It is sad, and the cycle continues, and spirals out, as people are pitted against people in hatred and misunderstanding. But we can stop this. We can stop the spiral and say enough. We can band together, and each little step, each two people getting to know each other and understand each other and work with each other and find out the little stupid differences are small compared to the big stupid similarities, all that works against this process.

I have hope. And our biggest weapons are hope and being nice people.

Just give up. I'm already designing a doomsday device to blow the whole planet to kingdom come, and ya know what the sad part is?



It'll be a mercy killing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic.....a_and_Nagasaki

That is all.

Yup. Americans are terrorists. we deserved 9/11.

I'm not American, and I'm not saying anyone deserved anything. What I was trying to say is that any tragedy is devastating, no matter who it affects. Nobody should be painted as subhuman or 'deserving' of death, and I feel that the greatest tragedy of 9/11 beyond the actual destruction of the towers is that as a result, the word 'terrorist' came into popular usage, gained a new meaning. It is a reducing word. It simplifies individual people with dreams and thoughts into one homogenous entity, the 'enemy'. This is the same concept that Americans justified the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with, and if the September 11th attacks were TRULY carried out by Islamic people, then it is because of this. Both those who dropped the bomb, and those who flew into the towers, did not see their victims as real, complex souls, they saw them as 'the enemy'. Untermensch, monsters, villians - terrorists. The basic concept is the same, as is its function.

the Nuclear bombings and 9/11 are not comparable.

They were both great losses of life brought on by other human beings with an agenda.

A act of desperation, and fear of the honer protecting will of the Japanese, if the Americans were to have went in, not only would they have been fighting the military, they would have been fighting the civilians, children would come at them with weapons of their own. One or the other would have been mostly destoryed, for Japan would not give up till most of their nation was destoryed(if not by the war, then by themselves, in accordance to their original ideals of protecting ones honor) , and the Japanese were planning to wipe out most nations at that time, just as Hitler was planning to do with the Jewish people.

Even the Japanese agree that, it would have been far worse if the American's had not dropped the first nuke. (many, including myself believe the second was over doing it though, perhaps it was needed yet rumors have stated that the Japanese were planning to surrender after seeing such a attack, perhaps the second would not have been fired if they had waited a day more.)

What method would you have used in such a situation? Holding the fear of either being destoryed or destroying a entire nation if you sent in your troops?

Toppling the Taliban was a correct thing to do, but staying there forever was not, and making our government so powerful to be "safe" wasnt. I think the government knew something about it before it happened, IMO. Muslims were not responsible, but radical fundamentalist ones were, there is a difference between the majority and the fanatic.

even though that's what he wanted starting a war was necessary, otherwise we'd be terrorist attacked often and they're holding terrorists who want to kill every last american and/or jew, 9/11 was terrible and it's just something that con not be tolerated

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1acqGJBJu.....ecbdbce6f6.jpg

This is exactly my thoughts on this since I see religions more often causing problems than solutions.

That's not necessarily and entirely true, since Religion is , for many people, the basis of their attitudes, whether it be the basis of giving them hope, the basis of giving them a boundary line on how to act, and a means to save lives and turn people away from the darkness within their own hearts, Religion has done plenty of good too. But, it's much easier to lump the zealots and extremists in with the rest of them for the simple fact it's the extremists and zealots that usually get their voices heard. Those that are moderate and calm about it are usually the ones that largely go unseen. I don't believe this world would be better off without religion, personally.

We don't need religion to motivate people to be good. If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.

Anyway, I guess this isn't the place for religious debate. We are preaching tolerance after all.

Humans will find a excuse regardless, if not for this reason, then for that. Religion is just one of many flags humans will wave to explain their actions.

If were were to all become atheist, then we might end up as two different atheist groups fighting to prove which is the proper way to be atheist at one point.

Humans will fight, just try to learn from it, instead of throwing blame.

The difference between a religious war and an atheist war (a term I just invented btw, since such a thing is absurd) is that a religious war is fought for religious reasons, wheras an atheist war would be fought by atheists, but not in the name of atheism. Nobody has ever killed someone else in the name of atheism.

To quote the nobel prize winning theoretical psyicist: "Without religion you would have good people doing good things, and bad people doing bad things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

Things tend to change with time, atheism is relatively unorganized compared to most religions and groups. (Same as Agnosticism, which I think is the most open minded ideal system) Who is to say there will be no wars fought in the name of it, if it ever becomes more organized?

regardless, I mostly mean, perhaps your right, yet in history people will always throw a flag over their actions. Religion is just the most advertised.

The trouble is that atheists are sort of like cats, they're independantly minded and are difficult to herd. But even cats can make sufficient noise in numbers, and with 16% of the population atheist, agnostic or irreligious, we could make a lot of noise if we were organised. Ah well, someday.

Agnostics already have "sects" and we are considered "newer" then Atheist.

Regardless, I am happy with the diversity of ideals and cultures. It gives a "flavor" and who is to say who is right and who is wrong in such things as religions? All could be right, and all could be wrong, or we in fact and the power fulling the power of the divinity even.

Though I have recently grown to be annoyed of some christian groups. (expectantly Catholics, who have been yelling "devil worshiper" at a Wiccan I am friends with, those bibles are not fun to be hit with.) I just see that ignorance and human's instinctive dislike of things it is unable to understand/cope with/adapt to/accept. If Atheism does become more organized it will become just like the religions many of Atheism look down on, another flag fanatics will wave.

I am not particularly religious myself, but I see the dangers of fundamentalist religious ideology as not significantly different from many radical belief systems of other types, political or social, or whatever. The question to me is not whether religions cause more good or harm, the harm comes from human nature warping the ideals of the religion. I believe this warping can happen to any belief system.

Honestly.... I have always thought we should not "celebrate" this day with a moment of silence or the reading of the dead... which have both become ceremonial and traditional... it's akin to making this a national holiday to me... It allows the people who committed an action against our nation based on the idea of terrorism... a lasting and daunting effect against our nation... *shrugs*

albeit I will say.... seeing Vegas and Henderson hosting their "first annual pacific Islander heritage" days today kind of made me do a double take.... I'd think they could pick a better weekend for their festivities.... but cest cie la vie.

Personally... I did nothing different today then I would any Saturday.... namely I lead the forces of disease and death against the vile and traitorous imperium (read: Played warhammer 40K {Although.... now that I look back.... I blew up two towers today >.< they were part of a fortification.... *laughs a little* maybe I should have taken the other two out just to make it not so familiar?})

Awesome, another 40K playing fur! I'm guessing you play Nurgle Chaos Marines?

Yep... Nurgle.. .tyranids.... and a little space marine force that's only about 500 points (mainly a kill team force)

Main army is the Nurgle "Death Guard" army... it's designed as the more fluff based death guards (no fast attacks... a lot of tank killers and siege busters.)

That's pretty cool. I got a bit of everything really ('cept inquisition & dark eldar). But the only ones that're decent armies are tyranids, orks, necrons & marines. Everything else is either still being planned, or is mostly unassembled.

My chaos is literally an unassembled metal daemon prince. My plans are for a main force of Khorne and Tzeentch, with a dp of Khorne AND Tzeentch leading them, named Bloodcaster. The dp used to be a traitor librarian, and his goal is to become a god of chaos by hybridising the daemons of the 4 powers together. He ascended to daemonhood when he successfully merged a Bloodthirster & a Lord of Change together into one.

I'm also going to do an auxiliary Slaaneshi force, led by a character I'm designing called The Seducer (haven't come up with a name beyond that title yet). He's got a pet dp, lashed to his will by Slaanesh itself, who told him the dp's real name, hence allowing him complete control. He follows Bloodcaster for entertainment more than anything else, amused by the dp's efforts to achieve godhood.

So yeah, I come up with a lot of fluff for my armies XD

my thoughts: everyone needs to leave each other alone or at least get over themselves

9/11 was faked obviously... its a scary thought, though

I hate that, it's not even near "ground zero" and the guy planning it all pretty much asked a bunch of the families if it was alright, explaining himself.

If they are fine with it, why the hell are there all these people who had nothing lost to the event complaining about it?

My thoughts? If you honestly believe that 9/11, or -anything- majorly bad was done by the government, then you need to re-access your logic. Hard.

Conspiracy theory, basically?

Yeah, considerably theorists are much, much too paranoid for their own good and cannot seperate fiction from reality

Good call. I think the Government is too paranoid to admit their own mistakes, for fear of making America look like an underdeveloped country, which I'm beginning to think they're doing the exact opposite. No offense meant and all.

Sorry, no offense meant to you, but there s absolutely no way you will ever be able to convince me that George W. Bush Jr. was so smart that he actually somehow managed to pull off one of the biggest cover-ups in history

I didn't say it was only him, dear, but the entire government working as a fucked-up team.

well I live in manhattan, and personally, we as a country have done MUCH worse to other countries.Take Hiroshima for example.
it was only 2 buildings here. yes, many people died, but it's been maybe 9-10 years and I think they just started rebuilding now. people all over the country like to latch on to the whole 9/11 wahwah train because it's the only thing we have to bitch about anymore. I think those who have people who died during the event can grieve and stuff, but the whole country needs to get over it and move on.
again, we've done much worse to other places.

Planes crashed. Buildings fell. I lol'd.

the hell you mean you lol'ed?

I lol'd. The events caused me to LMFAO, alerting the humor nazis to my location, at which point they immediately sent a ROFLcopter to take me to the nearest concentration camp of the new lollercaust, and I arrived to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air.

so 4K people die...and you wet your pants laughing.....and people think I'm sick.

I also Lolled, but not at the event, at the reaction.

2 million Iraqis (including 1.5 million civilians) died and governments around the world went on a big campaign to scare the shit and liberty out of the rest of the world because Suidi Arabia funded terrorists from Pakistan killed 4000 people.

It's pretty pathetic when you think about it. I have to use a proxy to prevent my government saving my internet activity, can be stopped and searched in the street at any time for no reason and when I go to an airport I have to be blasted with xrays and pictures of my penis posted to a database.

If the ridiculousness of humanity isn't something to lol at then what is?

People seem to tie too much of this terrorism to the Islamic religeon as a whole. What many don't understand is that the terrorists are practically brainwashed Islamic extremists who have been basically warped into thinking that what their doing is a righteous act for their "god". I don't hate on people of the Muslim faith, though I do not understand it, they are people just like me and you.

I remember that Day, I live in the U.K. and always have but i was on Holiday in Florida at this time, I was only 9 years old but i still had a bit of sense into what was happening on the news. This was a very sad day indeed and for those whos lives were taken on that terrible day may they Rest In Piece.

You can actually get banned from FA for saying anything other than "terrorists are not real muslims"

Well, look at me. I'm German. Am I a Nazi?
I don't think so.
Millions and millions of poeple died in WW2. 6 Million Jews were killed by the Nazis. Families were destroyed. Homes were destroyed. Europe itself was a giant graveyard. And even if I wish i could say that it weren't all Germans, that were guilty of this tragedy... they were. There certainly was a group of idealists and there was a resistance, but these people were viciously outnumbered. And those of them who were not killed either kept their face shut or fled.
And now see the facts: 9/11. Assuming that radical muslim terrorists conducted this as a suicide mission, there were about 20 men who hijacked the planes and highliy estimated a hundred other islamists who were in any way involved in the plan. 2000 people were killed. 18000 could escape. Who talks about those, who survived? This is a miracle! It could have been 20000 people dead, maybe more if the fourth plane had hit its aim aswell. No, its a catastrophy. And now take a look at the religion. I don't know how many, but again millions of people call themselves muslims. You hear that? M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S! If all of them were terrorists, do you seriously think there'd be a bug alive in New York City? All this was the fault of a handfull of idiots. And it's not even sure it were islamists.

So, why not just bomb Germany for WW2? With x-thousand times the power?
Comparing the situations I MUST be a totally dangerous nazi.

Plus:
9/11/1814 the colonists won two important battles against the British in the war for independence.
9/11/1944 the first US troops crossed the German border in WW2.

Maybe it's just a strange coincidence...

Muslim =/= Terrorist
But coincidently the inverse is rarely true. =\

Well...
Just as some well-known examples, 'cause of course there are more:
We had the "RAF" in Germany, the IRA in Ireland or Timothy McVeigh in the USA.
These are all terrorists, and none of them is of Arab heritage or Muslim belief.
The thing is, since 9/11 happened, you hear of Islamist Idiots who blow up themselves and so on almost every week.Planes are shot down, just because they cannot identify themelves if asked (like in Singapore). What most of us don't understand, is: You do NOT need a plane to cause huge damage. If someone wanted to commit a terroristic act, he would hardly try and get a plane. This happened once and will probably never happen again; if this terrorist is smart enough to hijack a plane, he'll be clever enough to think of other, more "efficient" ways to kill people. Most probably he'd just take a car.

It's become a bias really hard to extinguish, that only Muslims were capable of horrible crimes like these. I admit, if I think of Terrorists, the first thing I have in mind is an Arab with a bomb around his body. How should I be neutral, if regularly & subconsciously influenced by messages like "Al Quaida has...", "Taliban have....", "Iran...bad, bad, bad...".
But I am convinced, that Muslims are just humans like you and me, that Islam is a religion just like Christianity and Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism, Bahaism and Sikhism and all the others and both the religion and the people are not in the least more dangerous than anyone else.
Maybe I'd feel the same, if me and my cobelievers were fought and banished everywhere and allways since my prophet for the first time preached the words of my god. If I was labeled a subhuman just for my belief. All this by Christians, by "the West". If my people was suppressed out the Holy Land, just because Christians of the West decided, it'd be better, if Jews lived there.
But more probably, like good Muslims do, I'd just live my life peacefully.

7-11 is an inside job.

But so was 9-11. :^)

وكان 9 / 11 وظيفة داخل لول

الديوك أيضا

وكان 9 / 11 وظيفة داخل لول

الديوك أيضا

The shitstorm made america get paranoid again and pass the patriot act so I make fun of 9/11 all the time in revenge for the possibility that I could get molested if I ever ride a plane.