There comes a time where you've crossed a line that shouldnt have been. It was better when you passively resisted.

I got friends in high AND low places. So I aint skeered.
Besides, I gave no names. You, me, and maybe four or five other people I know who I mean. If a there is an utterance it's going to be because someone else says it and drops the ball.
Don't tell me to stop being an asshole. I AM an asshole, you know it, I know it, they know it. Otherwise I'd expect you to be willing to tell THEM that THEY act like pimps, hos, and sluts and they should expect people to treat them as such. I got a right to speak out my opinion. No names were given, my opinion was. Try and take that away and you and whoever treads in dangerous waters.

I'm not trying to take anything. Foxy boxing isn't going away atleast any time soon. Rather than get aggressive about it, which will only make it piss you off more. Posting your art and stating your position is enough. It's not what they do, it is where you stand, that counts. From here on in this opposition could become an obsession.

Nah, I TRIED that already. I tried being the good example, I tried being the nice guy. I posted all that art of Sierra in hopes it'd drum up positive interest in the women's side of the sport. I wrote stories that drove me into bankruptcy twice, and then I wouldn't have regretted it. But then when I started getting mad years ago I learned that some folks were actually inspired by Sierra, but instead of a good example they began drawing their own characters only topless and in loin cloths. All in Sierra's name. Burned into my memory was Tanya "The Tigress" saying about some former friends of mine regarding it "Is that what they wanted ME to do?"
But when I started getting mad a few people did listen and they saw what I am getting at. They understood, and while sure, they still see a female boxer as sexy they made the choice to portray them properly in a way that a female in the sport could look upon proudly. I know the foxies aint going anywhere anytime soon. But bein' the nice guy made the problem worse because when I didn't speak out they thought it would be cool and fine. In furry fandom Sierra seems to have fertilized the depraved state of mind these people have. It allowed it to grow and helped it cultivate and that weighs heavy on me.
So I am here to serve as a reminder that not everyone thinks it's hip, rad, and kewl to put a sexual twist on everything. If I stay quiet then they'll think "It must be okay now." and they'll hit it hard and fast. They'll multiply... they'll get worse... one of them has already left because she saw her obsessive personality was running her life (Internet was eating up reality so she chose reality), MAYBE someday... miracle of miracles... some of these others will grow up a little and think "Yeah, if a world champion walked up and I had all my art with me... I wouldn't want to show her. Maybe it's time I began to put my BEST face forward."

I see your point. Time to bring out the bigger guns in other words.

Some people respond the positive examples and some respond to gentle nudges. Most need someone to be locked eye to eye and given a blunt point of view because they rationalize around it. I issued a challenge to them all. It still stands. "Take all your art and submit it in public to a pro boxer." but they NEVER will because they KNOW it will not end well for the foxy. Even JAIL time, because it's OFFENSIVE. Yet the same people will swear up and down they're doing nothing wrong. "I'm not doing anything wrong but I know I will offend and possibly be persecuted and PUNISHED by the LAW"... LOLWUT?

Well all of it is correct except the jail part and maybe persecution. Its not against the law to view anything as sexually pleasing. With the exception of children.

Yeah, but my challenge is to go see a boxer in real life, in person, and show them the art in person. That coule be sexual harrassment, lewd conduct (There's another word for that but it escapes me) and such. I mean, going to an event, waiting in line for an autograph, and then handin over the artwork. (Not to keep, naturally)

You can do it. I BELIEVE IN YOU!

I've gotten a couple people to straighten up their acts by being loud and shouty. Some people respond to a kind word, others respond to being grabbed and having someone get nose to nose and saying "NOT... COOL! Here's why!" and tell them why. I have come around t people being mad. But being nice only made the problem worse.

*sigh*...thought things were going to git better but I see ther not...insted of ranting about the trend you still rant about the people and once again useing pet names...Green Lantern?...Come on.......just..whatever....I'm sick of this and done with it all. I've tired being nice, angry, ect and nothing helps..you just keep on with things in bad ways...just do whatever you want...I quit. I'm not going to stop faveing the work of my friends..I'm just done with all of this bullshit..I have enough problems as it is in my life and I don't need this been one of them.

hey I tried being nice too and you still bit my head off. you claim my message is good but wont support or fave my art because you dislike me. big double standard! as for the reen lanternref.. if the shoe fits...

Okay...1. I fuck up alot when it comes to saying things online, they don't come out right as they do in my head or how I would speak because you can't tell if someone is yelling or whatnot with text or atleast I can't, 2. I did fave your work when I first got an account on FA and DA because I really liked it, I only stopped when all this fighting stuff started up and I would have refaved things because it is good art but you attack the same argument on them that isn't needed, and 3. ....I thought we had an understanding that no nicknames would be used in your rants anymore. Really....I just don't want this anymore....its been going on for 3 years now and I have more than enough to upset and depress me as it is without dealing with this.

Dude, it's probably going to KEEP going. As long as there are two people in the world there will be conflict. I will never forgive any of them unless they put forth the effort to do the proper thing for something they claim to love so much. But they have no apologies, no remourse, and no regrets. In their minds they feel "I can post art that direspects this all I want no matter how passionate people feel about and even cultures having iconic boxers... as long as I'm FRIENDLY nobody will care! TEEHEE!" but that isn't the case. People DO care. My challenge to them ALL stands. I think they will never do it because they know I'm right and the action may result in jail time. If their art is so innocent, take their entire collection and go to an event and in public eye submit it to a pro fighter. You know and I know it will end badly for the foxy. Yet they will stand there and carry on about how they're not doing anything wrong. Hell of a flaw in that logic.
I know about not being able to say the right thing or read things right or not. I say stupid shit if I had too much to drink (And no, I aint alcoholic. I drink RARELY because it triggers my gout)

Whatever...I don't care anymore...I just don't. I don't want sympathy from anyone or whatever the fuck anyone wants to think. I wanted my friends to be left alone and I wanted to be left alone but thats never going to happen untill we're all off the face of the earth so you and your friends can be happy....so yeah...you win, you beat me, I give up compleatly.

You think that by cryin' to me looking so sorry that I'm gonna believe that you been afflicted by some social desease... well then take your medicine!
I created the SOUND OF MADNESS, wrote the BOOK ON PAIN, somehow I'm STILL HERE TO EXPLAIN that the DARKEST HOUR never comes in the night. You can sleep with the gun... but when you gonna wake up and fight... for yourself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGt-8adyabk&feature=related
You have a good head on your shoulders, a strong back, and good legs. If you feel like you're losing its because you aint usin' 'em.

I'm not scare what so ever, I'm just tired of doing this over and over again, three years is more than enough. I just don't care what so ever about this anymore.

Good good goood.

I agree with you. There is a time for being passive, and then there is the time to get in people's faces. Something like this, that you are this passionate about is one of the things to speak up and be heard about by whatever means necessary. You have as much right to shout and be heard as those you oppose.

That's it, I mean I tried being the good example, I tried gently nudged, and I tried to lead by example and all those things worked against my cause. But when I got MAD, when I got cold... it clicked with some people. They suddenly understood my position.

hehe p0reach on!

*preach