Wow it's that bad?

It's no better or worse than a standard mobile display. This is a problem because I expected it to be better. Like, an IPS, which is what they had lead us to believe Retina displays had :|

Well good you gave any prospective buyers a heads up then Twile

I dont touch iphones :X

mainly for this reason XD

Well iPhones do have IPS panels.

Also require being on contracts here. :x
I barely use my K800i anyway x3

Oh, they require contracts in most regions I imagine. Anyway. Lots of reasons to dislike them that we don't need to get into here xD

it doesnt have the IPS panel? :O thats retarded.... but then again we are talking about a company that sells $1600 netbooks with last gen CPUs ;P
yeah, the new ipod has some neat new features but overall its a piece of shite. im happy with my 2nd gen touch

If they didn't want to put IPS panels in things, that would be fine--most companies don't. If they wanted to make a Retina display that was an LED-backlit IPS panel w/ 960x640 @ 3.5" then that would be fine too. If they were to apply that name to something which wasn't an IPS panel, I start to have a problem with that. It's quite misleading.

very misleading indeed. i really dont like how they think they are allowed to screw their customers around like that...

Wow. Bleh. haha

Very bleh.

Odd, I have 3 friends with iPod Touch 4g's, I've used all of them and haven't noticed any colour distortion nor have any of them complained about it.... Maybe you just got a faulty?

Check Wikipedia. It doesn't use an IPS panel. Simple way to check, start tilting the iPod away from you in any direction. Watch how the colors change. This doesn't happen on the iPhone 4 or iPad because they use IPS panels. This does not.

I'm not attacking or anything but I really don't see the need to look at your ipod from that pespective anyway

Alright, what about the iPhone is different that makes an IPS panel useful? 'cuz that's got one. In fact if the iPhone didn't have an IPS panel, I wouldn't have anything to complain about, and I'd just dismiss it as another of the countless devices that uses a TN panel.

Ultimately, whether or not it's important for it to look good from different perspectives isn't even an issue. The issue is that they made it seem like it had an IPS panel, when it simply doesn't. That's what I'm not caring for.

But to actually answer your question, here are some scenarios where you might not look at it straight-on:
1. There's direct lighting behind you, and you angle it so you can see better
2. You're showing something to another person standing next to you
3. You have it set down to charge or rest on a table or desk and you're looking at it from an angle
4. You're taking a picture with it and you tilt it to change what you're aiming at
5. You're playing a game which has controls that involve tilt and other movement for control
6. It's mounted somewhere (like in a car dock) where you won't usually be able to look at it straight on

Those are just the ones that occur off the top of my head.

Perfect example, I'm laying down in bed now using my laptop, with the iPod laying down maybe 18 inches from my face. But that puts it at a pretty heavy angle, so the blacks all have heavy blue tints. It doesn't make it unusable, but it is extremely noticeable and unattractive :P

This does not surprise me. But then, I never listened to the iHype.

Yes. The apple store is the single most idiotic method of running a store I have EVER seen.

It's like apple brainwashing on a propoganda level similar to North Korea. < _ <
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY JOBS!

I've felt retarded every time I go in. Socially inept, completely clueless about something that everyone else seems to get, but I dunno...

First time I went there, I had an appointment to fix a work machine. I got there early. I stood in the area where they had a TV showing the upcoming appointments. I saw my name come up, and after a short while, disappear. I had expected them to call my name, or at some point ask me what I was there for, but nothing. Apparently I was supposed to "check in" with them before my appointment. This was never stated in the store or in the appointment instructions. They put me back on the list when I asked why I was taken off, and I had my appointment.

The second time I had another problem with the machine. They offered to do an OS reinstall, which was going to take about 40 minutes. This was done out in an area with the demo machines, not behind a counter or anything. So when I asked if I could come back when it was done, they said the best they could do was look over periodically and try to make sure nobody took it. Fucking seriously, they don't have a dedicated space where customers can't just walk up and grab things? Or they did and they didn't want to use it because they thought I would be okay sitting in their store for the better part of an hour?

And this final time, as I explained, couldn't fucking find a product to buy or a person to buy it from.

I guess they just expect you to walk up to the nearest employee and say "Hey, I don't understand how to do this thing/I want to buy that thing/This device is broken". They expect you to be confused and not know who to ask for what. As such they aren't differentiating between people doing sales, customer education, tech support, store greeting, or anything really. Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding how they do things but fuck, I shouldn't have such a hard time picking an item that I know I want and paying for it.

It's actually a really clever (yet bullshit) marketting strategy.

People go into stores confused usually about something. Their setting actually makes people MORE confused. To the point where even the most basic, inept customer service seems like a godsend. So people leave "happy" after their issue has been resolved.

Way I see it, people who are completely helpless and confused get guidance, while people who know what they want have to stumble around to do the most basic thing a store can offer (buy a product they have on display).

sounds like their stores are built just like the boxes their products come in: as small as possible, as stylish as possible and incredibly irritating to use...
and about the whole "walking up to an employee thing"... its probably part of the whole stylish apple thing, too. i mean, you have lines in every other store but you cant have that in hipster apple stores! oh no sir, this is HIP and about COMMUNICATION!
fuck it... XD

Yeah, why deal with lines (the sum of multiple people who have common courtesy and respect who has been waiting the longest) when you can have people awkwardly lounging around?

but lounging around awkwardly like a hipsterfag is cool and hip! dont you want to be cool and hip?

seriously though, the only thing that is worse are people who buy macbooks only to show them off at starbucks xD

PHENOMENAL!
SIMPLE!
GREAT!
STUNNING!
PHENOMENAL!
WOW!
PHENOMENAL!
AMAZING!
STUPENDOUS!
REVOLUTIONARY!
PHENOMENAL!
EASY!
PHENOMENAL!
GREAT!
[Insert name of Apple product here]!
/Apple-sales-pitch

you forgot magical :V

you forgot MAGICAL!

What are you doing reading my tech journals? I thought the complaining drove you crazy.

And hell, you missed the ones where I didn't complain. And the one where I referenced you to explain why I wasn't going to complain xD

i hate my touch.... took like 10 hours to fill it with music

Alas, USB is slow.

it should have had an option for esata

Unfortunately, you can't count on eSATA being available on all systems, and definitely not on Macs (which is important to... well, Apple).

USB v3 is coming

x10 faster than v2

:D

Truth. I wonder when Apple will start making USB 3 to Dock cables...

I suspect the iPod's flash memory is more of a bottleneck, I can't imagine they get that stuff to be crazy fast.

id be great if they would use WD flash mem, they have a 256gb that moves stuff at 100mb over usb2

In all honesty, I like the 4th Gen iPod Touch merely for the camera on the back and the microphone. I don't care about Game Center, Facetime (Faptime?), "Retina Display" or the front facing camera.

Also, why the heck would you go to a Apple store to get a iPod? You can buy them practically anywhere! Hell you can buy them in special vending machines in malls. The only real reason to go into an Apple store is for the Genius Bar and to play with products(i.e. check social networks and browse YouTube).

I'm actually hoping I can have a chance to play with a 4th Gen Touch. I mean, I'm not going to need to upgrade for at LEAST a year, and by then they'll probably be on Generation 8. <.<

Play with = Try it out, see how it works, without actually paying anything.

I don't own one, but I've played with two from some friends and in a Best Buy and I own a 2nd Gen iPod with iOS 4(which comes with Game Center & folders).

I'm not saying it's bad or anything, but I don't need this brand new shiny iPod right now...I'll probably get the 5th or 6th but I don't need a new one any time soon.

Also they update the iPods every year in the 2nd or 3rd week in September. They're really consistent about product announcements unless...

a) they want a new non iPod product out for the holidays

b) they want to release a new product or different product from their normal lineup.

c) they can't think of a reason to have a press event for a minor or somewhat lame product(3rd gen Shuffle anyone?).

Yup, I hear ya. I still have my 2nd Gen Nano, still works like a charm, despite the apparent 'use' markings, IE scuffing and a scratched screen. Still works fine, though it does crash occasionally. Yay 3 year old product!

Got a Video iPod, 2nd Gen iPod Shuffle and a 2nd Gen iPod Touch which all still work. As long as you don't beat the crap out of them or get a faulty one, then a iPod will last quite a while.

Yup. The only issue I've noticed is a slight decline in the battery life, mostly due to using it 3-4 days a week at 4-6 hours a day, for about two and a half years.

We were already going to the mall, and the Apple store was within sight of where we were going to be getting stuff. I figured it would be a 5 minute diversion and I could see how they did their paperless non-traditional checkout. Boy, did I get a good look at it. I have never seen such ineptitutde in a retail solution.

Was the color distortion an issue on the G3 iPod Touches? I personally prefer the iPod Touch, and had considered upgrading to a G4 version in the next year or so, but upon hearing this, I'm just curious and contemplative now. Ah well, at least I take care of my things enough to get longevity out of them. Whoo for super-cheap phleather cases off eBay! :V

Yes. It uses the same display technology as the previous iPods, so if it wasn't an issue for you then, it won't be an issue for you now, so far as I know. It just doesn't feature the accurate colors and big viewing angles of the iPhone 4's display, despite having the same name for the screen. Seriously, they name their screen and talk about why it's awesome, then use the same name for a different screen in the iPod :|

Ah. So false advertising? Hate that shit. Ah well, I'd rather spend $230 on something I can fit in my pocket then $600 for something that does the same thing but needs a small backpack.

Yes and no. They're never clear on what "Retina display" entails. And the reasonable interpretation is the display is the same, because they have the same name. Instead, "Retina display" refers purely to the pixel density. So really, not the display itself at all, just one characteristic of it.

Why would you even think about Apple products? I mean srsly.

Did you even read the end of the journal?

Yes, and it is no excuse. :|

I can't develop iOS apps without an iOS device to test them on :|

There is never a good reason to give money to Apple. :|

You sound like me, when I don't have to work on iOS applications :P

You poor soul. You deserve some sex for your arduous task and undoubtedly mind-numbingly boring work.

I am so SOOO sorry that you had to experience the Apple store as well as purchasing an Apple product.

If only I could have rescued you, or the world, from this disaster.

Knowing what I do now, I would not consider their "store" to be an acceptable solution for buying their own products, and would not repeat that mistake.

The cameras are also lower quality.

Wow, seriously?

Yes by a nice margin.

"The camera of the new iPod Touch 4th Generation is only 960×720 pixels (lower than 1MP). The iPhone 4 has a 5.0 megapixel camera. The difference is huge, iPod Touch photo camera is even worst than the camera from the first iPhone (2007)."

Behold! I come bearing links to articles.

Gross D:

Well if you went into it expecting it to be an iPhone, no wonder you were disappointed.

I went into it expecting that Retina display referred to the whole display unit, not just the DPI.

meh, I bought it cause mine was getting old, that and it finally stopped being all round.
I've had the original for a long time and honestly, I can hold more music. That is the only real difference i have noticed.
Oh, and what the hell happened to the 16gb? 8, 32, 64... where is my 16?

If you were coming from a previous one, you wouldn't notice a difference in viewing angle and color accuracy, because the old ones didn't have IPS displays either.

No 16 GB is kind of a weird omission, but they'd price it at what, $250 or something? $260? It's so close to the two other price points that they probably think it would cause customers to have to choose more than they want to. I dunno, I'd just not have an 8 gig option, start with 16 gig at $250 (then the pricing makes sense too: they charge $100 for 32 GB extra). They probably prefer the extra sales from the lower price over having all of the nice 2^x GB amounts of space.

I went into an Apple store at one time to try to get some questions answered around what I can/can't do with this/that. I knew some things, but I wanted to hear from them, ya know?

So I went to the nearest person I could grab and started asking questions, who simply told me that I should find the time to come down to one of their group meetings next week so they can explain "All I needed to know". I did not go because 1.) It was on a full work day 2.) I was to frustrated that they (seem) to know nothing and are making me adjust to their plans and 3.) It sounded and felt like a damn cult meeting.

I don't want to hate them, I really don't, but they just keep on doing things that get to me.

They're... special ._.

Since when do you go anywhere near Apple products?

Since I got a job where I have to work with them.

I promise you, this is purely for professional use, and when I'm done, it'll be sold to work D:

Well then if it's for work, then what do you care? :p

It's a matter of principle. Saying if it was for me, I'd be pretty pissed. And have to pay $30 to return it because it's open.

Jobbs fail </3

His name just has one B :p

The extra b is for butthead :3

Oh suck it up.....

Of course the iPod Touch is gonna be less shinier than the iPhone, because it's a fucking MUSIC PLAYER FIRST. Why the hell would it need a so called proper screen so to look at what music you want to play? Honestly, you're just whining here. If you want a phone from Apple, then just buy the iPhone. And for all the Apple haters here.....stuff it will you? If you don't like it, then just don't fucking buy it!

And before you say that the iPod does more than play music, just stop right there. Being a MP3 player is it's primary function, and I believe the main reason the creators make it less impressive is for that reason, and of course to make money. The other shit is just bells and whistles to make it more attractive and, repeating what I said before, to MAKE MONEY.

the tl;dr version: Get the fuck over it and just don't use if you don't like it

This is a painfully clueless post.

Explain, if you will

No.

I generally try to be more diplomatic, but not here.

Watch your fuckin' mouth. And shut the hell up.

I don't know who the fuck you think you are, complaining about my opinions and observations that I record and post in my own corner of this site. If you don't care about what I have to say, then ignore it. If you do care, then try to exercise a little intelligence when making comments.

Let me get this completely straight. Apple uses bullshit tactics to make it seem like the iPod Touch has a display that is comparable to the iPhone, never making it clear that the displays are in fact entirely different in a way that makes a big difference in quality. The only indicator that the two displays, bearing the same name, are different... is that they omit some of the specs for the iPod touch display. The only way somebody could realize that they're different displays entirely would be to open the spec sheets side-by-side, see that the iPod touch display specs don't list the brightness and contrast ratio and that they don't explicitly say in the features section that it has an IPS panel.

And you say that of course it's not going to be as good because it's a music player first, and you believe it has a crap screen because it's a music player first and a good screen isn't important. And if we don't like it, we shouldn't buy it. You completely ignore the points that I made as to why it was misleading. Effectively, you missed the point of the journal and just bitched about me pointing out an imperfection in an Apple product.

I also think it's completely silly to say that the iPod Touch is a music player first. Where, pray tell, do you get that idea? When it launched, it had considerably less storage than the iPod Classic, and was larger than the Shuffle and Nano. It wasn't the king of capacity, or battery life, or size. Why make the iPod Touch lineup at all? Because the iPhone was about more than just music and phone calls, it was a new platform for mobile applications and media. For both the iPhone and the iPod Touch, music (and phonecalls for the iPhone) are arguably the least noteworthy features. After all, you can use a phone without a touch screen. You can play music without a touch screen. Why the 3.5" multitouch screen, emphasis on gestures, accelerometer + gyroscope, and 256-512 MB of RAM? Not for freaking phone calls and MP3s. Giant screen for video and displaying a lot of stuff at once, multitouch and RAM and gestures and gyro/accelerometer and all that other stuff for applications. That's in line with everything Apple has ever said about the iPod Touch (think about previous taglines, "The most fun iPod ever"), that's in line with the pricing and hardware, that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Seriously, can you tell me what the iPod Touch does which makes it a better music player than the other iPods that have come before it and exist now? And can you tell me why the iPhone needs to have a high-quality display while the mere loss of a cell antenna means that suddenly it doesn't have that need? I just don't buy that the iPod Touch is supposed to primarily be an MP3 player.

You missed the overall message. I wouldn't write a journal about this if I thought people, prospective buyers, already knew about it having a crappier screen. If you don't like it, don't fucking buy it? Why the shit do you think I'm pointing out to people that it doesn't have the nice IPS panel (a potential "if you don't like it" for people)? So they can make informed decisions about what it does and doesn't offer them.

I'll admit that my last comment was way out of line. You're right, I really did miss the point of the journal and I slashed with a sword that wasn't sharpened, so to speak. I do stand by the statement that the iPod is a little more low quality than the iPhone for obvious reasons. However, you are right in saying that it's more than an MP3 player, since it obviously was given features that say, the classic iPod doesn't have. Anyway, I apologize if I came off as bitchy. I blame it on the fact that I often talk (or in this case type) before thinking of the consequences.

And I apologize if my response was overly confrontational.

I understand that it may have to make some concessions for reasons of price (that's probably why they use a crappier screen, and there's less RAM) and size (the camera can't be anywhere near as nice because it simply needs more depth in the device). I am just annoyed that this is made (I feel) deliberately vague to consumers.

I mean, I don't know how much the subsidy is for the iPhone--the 32 GB model is $300 with a contract. $300 is also what they charge for a 32 GB iPod Touch. Obviously the iPhone has the antenna and other phone parts adding to the cost, but for all we know that adds just dollars to the price and is an added cost easily eaten by the subsidy from the contract. But in a sense I shouldn't have to know this stuff--it should be pretty easy to tell when the phone screens use different technologies when this is mentioned as a bit selling point.

We cool? :3

Yeah, we cool.

And as a final note....and don't throw chairs and torches at me for this, but....

I'm a Microsoft man *hides*

I'm no Apple lover either xD

Far as I knew, the latest iPods are still on the iPhone 3gs platform. Am I wrong? If this is the case, then of COURSE it's not going to have all the bells and whistles of the latest iPhone. I believe the iPod is always 1 generation behind iPhone since the iPhone's introduction.

Yeah, you are misinformed. There's more in common with the iPhone 4 than the iPhone 3, even. All of the following things are shared between the iPhone 4 and the iPod Touch Gen 4, but not the 3GS:
* A4 processor
* 960x640 display
* Gyroscope
* HD video recording
* Front-mounted camera

Considerable differences between the 4's and the 3GS. Really, the only difference between the non-aesthetic elements of the iPhone and iPod Touch are (in favor of the iPhone) :
* No LED flash
* Lower-quality camera
* Half the RAM (I think)
* No ear speaker or face proximity sensor (for obvious reasons)
* Display isn't IPS
* No cell antenna (for obvious reasons)

Short of the lack of flash, less RAM and lower-quality display, they're functionally identical. Much more in common between them than the Touch and 3GS.

Ah, cool. Wasn't aware they'd released the next gen ipod already. Still chugging along with my 8GB iPhone 3G (wish it was an "s")

Why would your workplace want to use Macs? It is either Windows or Linux. Especially for web development. Macs just sit there being hip and twice as expensive. =\

THIS LESSON WILL TEACH YOU WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY AN APPLE PRODUCT EVER AGAIN.

As a creative agency we feel that we should be using Macs, I guess? I really think it's silly, and makes stuff a lot harder than it needs to be. My $1000 Mac Mini workstation was the cheapest thing we could get, and it was already more for just the core of the system than an entire PC with peripherals.

I don't need to be taught this xD

This would be why I just don't buy apple... anything? D: if I want it all in an OEM package or something, I just run to Sony.

That's strange...whenever I go in an apple store to browse at least someone comes up to me asking if I need anything, then when I do try mes well in one case my game was used as an example for another customer. Then we were approached by someone else who we had to explain that we were just browsing...and that place was PACKED.

Perhaps your store is just better-managed than the one here. Or maybe they ignore me because I'm wearing PJ bottoms in an upscale mall.

IPS panels 4 life!
I'm never buying a TN panel product again if I can help it.

I think it's one of those things that most people don't notice the difference unless it's pointed out to them - but going the other way it's the complete opposite. Get used to IPS panels as your norm, and then switch to a TN. It's like night and day.

Kinda like someone who claims they don't notice the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. Get 'em used to Blu for a while - then pop in a DVD and they go O.O "Whoa, I never realized how BAD they look!"

I don't even HAVE a Blu-ray player, nor have I ever watched anything on one, but I've seen enough 1080p video on the net to know how much better it looks! (Hurray for 1080p fansubs of anime and a TV that will play them with native divx support off of a USB drive!)

Yesss and no. Obviously, all other things being equal, you want the IPS panel over the TN panel. But there are still cases where a TN panel is practical or even necessary:
* 120 Hz requires very fast response times. I don't think IPS is able to reach this. So for the time being, only TN panels are suitable for very high framerates or stereoscopic 3D gaming/movies.
* Laptops almost never have IPS panels. No idea why this is--they can make them large enough for any laptop and thin enough for the iPhone and iPad. The only good news here is that a good TN panel on a laptop can be almost as good as an IPS (mine is way better than my Cinema Displays at work), and laptops are much more fixed than phones and iPods so the viewing angle can be set once and maintained easily
* Paper weights

I'd be more severely opposed to TN panels in every implementation were it not for this laptop and its 96% Adobe RGB @_@

It's really the gamma shift that bothers me. I haaaaate it when a color at the top of the screen is even slightly different than the one at the bottom! Should've seen me raging when I was trying to color a picture using a [temporary] TN panel.

If I had to guess it'd be that an IPS with fast response wouldn't really have a target audience outside of a small core of enthusiasts. IPS response time uses a different metric than a TN (white-black-white as opposed to gray-black/white-gray) sooo I dunno if the numbers can be directly compared... As for laptops, it might be because few pros would ever regularly use a laptop screen for color critical work, due to the size, pixel density and sub-optimal lighting conditions that a laptop screen would be used in.

I sooo want OLED to become more affordable. Either that or RGB backlights! That'd make me happy! :3

OLED works for 3D too, I believe! It's fast and awesome and yeah D:

120 Hz IPS would have almost no market because IPS has almost no market -_- People are cheap shits and aren't willing to spend much on computer parts.

Don't they have any display models in the store for you to look at and manipulate so you can look at it from different angles?

They did, but I thought I was informed enough about them to not need to check viewing angles, having already seen iPhone 4's Retina display in person.

Additionally, it wouldn't have kept me from making the purchase because it was something for work and frankly the viewing angle doesn't matter for the application it will be used for.

Even if I was getting it for personal use, though, were I to order it online or from a place that didn't have one on display, I'd be in the same boat. The problem is the misconception that the iPod and iPhone use the same display. Were it not for that, the use of a TN panel wouldn't even be an issue.

Okay, gotcha. That is rather poor on their part. I really think Apple has been going downhill a lot lately =(

Yeah seriously. If they had just not given the screens the same name (perhaps don't give either a name, and just talk about their improvements on a per-product basis?), we wouldn't have this problem D:

They skimped on the camera as well, majorly. The whole thing is basically halfassed compared to the iPhone 4 and overall lower quality.

No kidding :<

the more I think about it apple seams to be more and more like communism.
-the company isolated the market so only Apple can control it
-it has centrally controlled economy (i mean from the tech point of view mac users can't decide what tech they want to better suit their needs Apple does it for them)

and all this kinda paints a very disturbing picture of community that is stupid so it's easy to control by Apple and would rather give up their freedoms in hands of the big guys so they have less and less responsibilities...

or am I just thinking about it too much...

No, you're completely right. There's a submission on here by MoT, I think, about how Apple = Communism. Very funny.

:P <hugs>

I'm surprised you didn't burst into flames when you set foot in an Apple store. :3

It was harder to breathe.

This.

I just want it for the facetime! :3

But wow, DARN YOU SHAKY HANDS! D:

Im still getting one!

D: Because video chatting is totally not available on other devices...

like mac :3 (i just pointed that out for the heck of it....)
I have an android, can i video chat on that?

Or Windows.

Yes.

ORLY... tell me the app

Qik. For Android phones with front-facing cameras.

D: i have a mytouchslide (im that stupid)

>>; Well if you don't buy a phone with hardware for video chatting, dunno how you can expect to be able to do it...

idk, Lol our chat here took up like an entire page :P

Apple.

I just ate an apple and I came across this here journal.

Stay away from these useless products tbh.

They sell Core 2 duo systems for what, 2,000+ dollars? I mean hell, I admit I liked PowerPCs when I was a wee little kid in middle school playing Diablo I and StarCraft, but now they're a greedy fucking company with only one thing in mind: "Rip off my customers, FUCK YES!"


I mean an IPhone4? There's other phones out there, like the Droid II / X or Samsung Captivate which can do its job and then some.


IPad? OH WOW, A MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION OF A NETBOOK with LESS FEATURES.

MacBook? FFS, look at this thing. 2,300 for the 17 inch entry level. You can get an ASUS G73 w/ 16 gigs of memory for that much. LOL.

I can go on and on... and I completely agree with you when it comes to Apple screwing people over.

My favorite thing to highlight the Apple tax is my new laptop: Vaio Z. It's point-for-point as fast or faster than Macbook Pros, even maxed out, for considerably less. And the real kicker? It weighs 3 pounds. 1080p laptop with a 2.8 GHz i7, 8 GB DDR3, GT 330M, backlit keyboard, the works? Easily $1000 less than the MBP and 45% the weight. Seriously, for $9000 you could buy 2 MBPs weighing over 13 pounds, or you could buy 3 Vaio Zs with more horsepower each weighing just over 9 pounds.

Yes the company is retarded.

I dunno why people like them lol

And that is a nice laptop, wow. That's quite nice.

How much was it again?

My budget i5 was 650

Haaa, and I didn't even mention the SSD RAID 0 that gets 300-600 MB/sec read (depending on if you get dual or quad SSDs).

Uh, over 3000. But that includes tax, shipping, 2 year accidental damage plan, all those goodies. The entry-level, before tax etc, is about $1900 and is the same but with a 1600x900 screen, 128 GB SSD, 4 GB DDR and a 2.53 GHz i5. I'd spend the $150 to get the 1080p screen (I would? Fuck, I did) but that's just me.

So yeahhh, expensive as balls and stupid small for that speed, and yet it's STILL a vastly better deal than a Pro xD

Very nice!

I really do like the G73 though... but that's the gamer me talking, which is itching for some games, though I haven't played any in the past few months.. Just been drawing and meeting people and crap. Mostly on FA and such, hard to believe I almost said 6000 things to people.

xD

Hey, a GT 330M isn't too shabby! I was just testing and got average of 30 fps @ 720p with Resident Evil 5 on max... looked pretty nice, at least as good as a PS3. Would prefer if it could run at 1080p, but let's be serious here... 3 pounds >_>

Oh yes a 330m is amazin' for a 3 lb little speed demon, my Alienware (LOL WHY DID I BUY THIS?) back in 2005 had a Go 6800 Ultra and it lasted quite nicely up till the MoBo failure a few months ago. 5 1/2 years on a laptop which is prone to overheating according to well.. anyone's who've owned one lmao


Sony VAIOs are amazing honestly, friend of mine had one wayyyyy back in the upper 90's.

My system is just parts built and me constructing it like frankenstein

WHO FAILS AT POST REPLIES

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Oh edit: the Area 51m-7700 weighed like.. 12+ lbs

xD Yeah, you can get pretty fast stuff for 12 pounds, but that's... well that's an iMac with a battery and fold-down screen D:

*nods*

I had a smartphone briefly, was a samsung captivate.

The Super AMOLED screen blew away my current monitor, lol

It doesnt really come as a suprise for me... screwing people over with half-truth seems to be a common tactic.
Thanks for the heads up.

The More You Know ★