Family
15 years ago
I tried to post this as a poll on deviantArt, but it turned out perhaps more awkward than useful. Anyway...
I was interested in people's opinion and value of family.
Some people feel strongly that family should have a role in everything they do in life - an influence on where they choose to live, who they choose to marry, what career they choose to pursue - and that this is a special obligation, that those who ignore the obligation of family are somehow bad people or otherwise abnormal. These people would go to the ends of the Earth to protect a sibling who was cruel to them, or to love their alcoholic father who beat them.
Others feel equally strongly that family should not get special treatment or consideration - these people would see no problem in turning their back on their abusive alcoholic father, feeling they owe him no special favour. They feel that being family does not mean you must love and care for a person who hurt and abused you, just because they're family.
What do you think?
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I should note that I'd like to distinguish "family" from "offspring" - there is a much stronger and practical obligation to care for one's young than there is for one's sister or uncle. So I'm not talking about how you treat/value your kids, but more your parents/grandparents/siblings/cousins.
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In my personal opinion, as one person so aptly put it: "it's a mutual respect thing, not demanding respect just because you are a family member." I don't think that a person should be obligated to unconditionally love their family, simply because they're legally, technically, or genetically family, and to owe them special favour and treatment and value their opinions, JUST because they're family.
I have great admiration and respect for families that are close, happy, loving, and functional. However, it bothers me when someone says, "You should love your sister, you should protect her" ... even if your sister is a terrible person. Why? "Because she's family." To me, that is not inherent justification. I'm not being mean, or cruel, or cold. I just don't understand how being one's sister logically obligates a sibling to like a person who is otherwise entirely dislikeable. Why should you love a father who abused and raped you as a child? "Because he's family?" Why does being legally or genetically related to someone mean you can be the biggest, cruelest asshole in the world, but your family still "has" to love you?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get it.
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The best explanation I could come up with when discussing this with my boyfriend was that humans are still genetically inclined to feel a sense of obligation towards family, to inherently value family more than others.
Normally, a species adapts to changes in environment because the environment inflicts selective pressure upon the species. It is different with humans, however. Instead, humans are capable of changing their environment around themselves, rather than the environment influencing humans, and so human evolution is largely... behind, you might say.
So we're still essentially genetically programmed like our primitive ancestors, struggling to survive. We lived in tight-knit familial groups, because on our own, we died. We needed each other to survive, and the family unit was our life.
Today, however, life is vastly different, yet our genes are still telling us, "Family is important. Value your family. You need your family." And many societies, especially Eastern cultures, still circulate strongly around the wellbeing of the family as a whole.
There's nothing WRONG with that, really. My real big qualm is...
WHY is "because he's family" a truly legitimate excuse today for loving your abusive father who raped you? Some people would go so far as to say you even SHOULD love him. But WHY? In today's world, what sense does that make? Why do people still value familial obligation and unconditional love so strongly, even in cases of abuse?
I just don't get it.
I was interested in people's opinion and value of family.
Some people feel strongly that family should have a role in everything they do in life - an influence on where they choose to live, who they choose to marry, what career they choose to pursue - and that this is a special obligation, that those who ignore the obligation of family are somehow bad people or otherwise abnormal. These people would go to the ends of the Earth to protect a sibling who was cruel to them, or to love their alcoholic father who beat them.
Others feel equally strongly that family should not get special treatment or consideration - these people would see no problem in turning their back on their abusive alcoholic father, feeling they owe him no special favour. They feel that being family does not mean you must love and care for a person who hurt and abused you, just because they're family.
What do you think?
* * *
I should note that I'd like to distinguish "family" from "offspring" - there is a much stronger and practical obligation to care for one's young than there is for one's sister or uncle. So I'm not talking about how you treat/value your kids, but more your parents/grandparents/siblings/cousins.
* * *
In my personal opinion, as one person so aptly put it: "it's a mutual respect thing, not demanding respect just because you are a family member." I don't think that a person should be obligated to unconditionally love their family, simply because they're legally, technically, or genetically family, and to owe them special favour and treatment and value their opinions, JUST because they're family.
I have great admiration and respect for families that are close, happy, loving, and functional. However, it bothers me when someone says, "You should love your sister, you should protect her" ... even if your sister is a terrible person. Why? "Because she's family." To me, that is not inherent justification. I'm not being mean, or cruel, or cold. I just don't understand how being one's sister logically obligates a sibling to like a person who is otherwise entirely dislikeable. Why should you love a father who abused and raped you as a child? "Because he's family?" Why does being legally or genetically related to someone mean you can be the biggest, cruelest asshole in the world, but your family still "has" to love you?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get it.
* * *
The best explanation I could come up with when discussing this with my boyfriend was that humans are still genetically inclined to feel a sense of obligation towards family, to inherently value family more than others.
Normally, a species adapts to changes in environment because the environment inflicts selective pressure upon the species. It is different with humans, however. Instead, humans are capable of changing their environment around themselves, rather than the environment influencing humans, and so human evolution is largely... behind, you might say.
So we're still essentially genetically programmed like our primitive ancestors, struggling to survive. We lived in tight-knit familial groups, because on our own, we died. We needed each other to survive, and the family unit was our life.
Today, however, life is vastly different, yet our genes are still telling us, "Family is important. Value your family. You need your family." And many societies, especially Eastern cultures, still circulate strongly around the wellbeing of the family as a whole.
There's nothing WRONG with that, really. My real big qualm is...
WHY is "because he's family" a truly legitimate excuse today for loving your abusive father who raped you? Some people would go so far as to say you even SHOULD love him. But WHY? In today's world, what sense does that make? Why do people still value familial obligation and unconditional love so strongly, even in cases of abuse?
I just don't get it.
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I love my family, and they're supportive of whatever I want to do, it's always been that way with us. Sure they have their faults but every family does. But if one of them turned into an absolute arsehole or alcoholic or addicted to drugs, I would tell them to fuck off without hesitation, because it ain't family when one of your own decides to abuse everything about family and treat everyone else like shit or hurt everyone else by doing stupid shit.
Don't I know it :S Families can be beautiful, loving, supportive, wonderful... but they can also be the source of some of the most hurtful things that can happen to a person.
There's been a lot of vicious drama in my immediate family over the past 17 years - intense, and extended. A lot of mistrust and suspicion and hate. It's made me... very uncomfortable dealing with my family, I just don't want to risk it blowing up in my face. It's not personal, I just don't want to be involved anymore. But then SOMEONE in particlar throws, "but we're family" in my face and then calls me a sick individual for not accepting that as an adequate excuse.
Ugh. :S
And yeah, that's awesome you have a good family. I'm all for loving your family if you're all close and happy and whatnot, that's super cool. Just trying to guilt someone into it is not :P Family love is like any kind of love - you can't really force it or guilt it out of people. It's not real, not genuine, and you can always tell the difference.
long story short, I agree with your take on family.
Like.
Not legal stuff, but the ones where they really like you and consider you a part of their family.
That kind.
I think the cuz they be family part is like....Other people putting their values onto you, trying to make you do what they want you to do.
And lol, never sell to family.
Or do you mean like an adopted family, as in, you were adopted as a child and another family raised you?
And you just seem to get along with them fantastically.
I think it's totally ok to hate on family. In my "adopted" family and genetic family, I totally hate my aunt in both of them. >:V
Yeah, I'm not a real people-person. I get along well in small (<5) groups from time to time, but mostly am a "be with boyfriend or by self or on internet" person :b
I know right? anymore and it's like there's too much going on or you're being smothered. Dx
But just one or a couple is totally fun. Right?
Yeah :) Just those few people where you feel pretty cool and open and relaxed with.
The other one I will whup when I get into the Army. Unstoppable. :V
And very misbehave with sometimes because they're fun and exciting.
My biological father took in my mother to be a whore (which he and his "friends" would drug and spike my mother's drink) and me as a trophy child and possibly to be a whore as well for his disgusting money making along side the drug dealing. My mom was not aloud to play with me, to touch me, or anything a parents NEEDS to do with their child. When mother wasn't doing what he wanted he found reason to kick her out of the streets keeping me. I was badly raised and I recall the SWAT team rushing in the apartment and being handed to his sister, my aunt. This is how I ended up in my mother's custody. Due to my oh so wonderful sperm donor, I grew up very dysfunctional and it still lingers to this day as an adult. Having a relationship is...awkward at times as I am very independent so if the guy is more affectionate (always wanting to cuddle and kiss a lot and whatever) than me, I call the relationship off. I don't like feeling masculine =/
I grew up being told, "That's your daddy. You must love him. He brought you to this world." And as an ignorant child I always pondered why "daddy and mommy" were always separated and why I had two "daddies" and two "mommies". I'm more attached (so to speak) to my step-mom, my other mother, than any other family member blood related. So when she was diagnosed with breast cancer my "father" left her. Mark never did anything for me and always expected me and everyone else to do shit for him. I care not for that pathetic excuse of a man. Especially after I found out my history from my mother and my aunt and the fact he stowed drugs in my other mother's HOUSE and was dealing them under her nose just to LEAVE her. My aunt loves her brother "because he's family". I however want the man to see justice. How can people expect me to love a man that has never been there for me for all of the 22 approaching 23 years of my life? I'm constantly asked, "do you miss your father?" Fuck no I don't. My heart has no space for a crooked stranger. Blood is thicker than water is a saying that is beyond me. If my sister (half if you want specifics) became a bigger bitch than me, I have no problem getting in her face and correcting her behavior and showing her the consequences of what could happen.
I treat my family like acquaintances because I'm distant from them as my mother is to me (no thanks to Marc). I'm envious of those who have really close ties with their family. I really am. Unfortunately creating a bond with my family isn't going to happen because of how we interact with one another. I'm an illegitimate red headed step child on 2 sides of the family and treated as such P:
This is not to say I'm unhappy with my life. I've made friends with some wonderful people who've become akin to a real family and that's all that matters. I have comfort in that. All in all I completely agree with you, Jocarra.
I hate to sound, well, fascist or elitist or something, but it's for reasons like this that I wish, somehow, magically, only fit parents were capable of reproducing (that's how natural selection is SUPPOSED to work, but for humans, alas...). I know of someone who purposefully got pregnant to try to convince/blackmail her ex into not leaving her, and then later used the same young child to try to convince another man to not leave her by directly involving him whenever possible. I know of another woman who used her young child like a shield and crutch, and then punished the child when she tried to break away.
It makes me ... very upset... when parents do shit like that to young kids. If anyone in this world is innocent at all, or even close, it's little kids, and they deserve better. Not used like a piece of meat, or bloody leverage. It's so potentially damaging it's not funny. Ugh, makes me disgusted.
Anyway...
"My aunt loves her brother "because he's family". I however want the man to see justice. How can people expect me to love a man that has never been there for me"
I think that's completely and utterly fair. If he's a good man to your aunt, or your aunt just really loves him, then fine, that's her, but he did not treat you well, and you should have no obligation to love him. Feel kinda pissed off for you :b Damn.
"Blood is thicker than water is a saying that is beyond me."
Me too. When people talk about the special bond a family shares... I... totally don't get it. I just don't get it. Kind of wish I did...
"Having a relationship is...awkward at times as I am very independent "
I would be a little surprised if you had managed to walk away from your childhood without a few detrimental quirks or issues, to be honest. It's like a friend of mine - she was raped when she was younger, and now has weird (not necessarily detrimental, but definitely quirky) sexual quirks. Most people I know who were raped or raised in an abusive household when they were young walk away with pronounced sexual/romantic "quirks", special needs that are sensitive and need careful consideration lest it ruin the relationship. I suppose Freud would have a lot to say about this :V
"This is not to say I'm unhappy with my life. I've made friends with some wonderful people who've become akin to a real family and that's all that matters. "
:) Indeed
Family in that case, once they have crossed the boundaries into inappropriate actions towards a family member should be removed from the "safety" you think of when you think of family.
Yeah, it seems like most of the people who are behind the "blood is thicker than water" saying are people who have never had really bad things happen in the family. Maybe unconditional family love is just one of those things you don't get until you live through some terrible family drama, and if you've lived the terrible family drama, you just can't quite buy the unconditional family love anymore.
Personally I am fortunate to have a good family situation (for the most part) so it breaks my heart when I hear some of the horror stories posted above by other people who have responded to you.
Family might have a specific dictionary definition, but what it means to an individual might be something rather different.
But yeah, I'm a big believer in earning the right to love and respect, or at least, the ability to LOSE it.
but now the bonds of family shifted to friendship. friends help and support you. so i believe that everyone has to choose for themselves how the want to live their live and if your 'family' doesn't approve. tough cookies.
Definitely. It's unfair if it's demanded of a person, but not given in return.
"THATS where the respect comes... not from simply demanding respact out of thin air."
:)