Foreskin Restoration?
15 years ago
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PLEASE NOTE: Do NOT post on this journal defending circumcision. I do NOT CARE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT IT. I posted this journal explicitly to DISCUSS RESTORATION, not to listen to a bunch of men having adequacy issues, or listen to freaks who think it's okay to mutilate baby penises. Kindly GTFO. From this point on I will be deleting every unrelated post that makes it onto this journal.
I've been reading about male genital mutilation lately. And personally, I feel physically sick every time I remember I've had the most sensitive part of my male anatomy sliced off for the sake of limiting my sexual pleasure thanks to a religion I diametrically oppose on every. Single. Fucking. Front.
And before you start, don't EVEN try to talk to me about the "health benefits" of cutting of part of your dick.
Anyway. I know the foreskin can be stretched and basically restored, the glans can regain sensitivity, but you don't need to tell me that the bundles of nerves they take out can't be regrown; I know that already and I'm considering it mostly for cosmetic reasons.
The reason I posted this and what I want to ask is if anyone has experimented with methods like taping, weights, etc before and whether any of you boys out there saw real benefits from it.
I've been reading about male genital mutilation lately. And personally, I feel physically sick every time I remember I've had the most sensitive part of my male anatomy sliced off for the sake of limiting my sexual pleasure thanks to a religion I diametrically oppose on every. Single. Fucking. Front.
And before you start, don't EVEN try to talk to me about the "health benefits" of cutting of part of your dick.
Anyway. I know the foreskin can be stretched and basically restored, the glans can regain sensitivity, but you don't need to tell me that the bundles of nerves they take out can't be regrown; I know that already and I'm considering it mostly for cosmetic reasons.
The reason I posted this and what I want to ask is if anyone has experimented with methods like taping, weights, etc before and whether any of you boys out there saw real benefits from it.
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Makes two of us, apparently. My point was that if you're that disgusted, you should consider seeking therapeutic help.
BUT, it takes a lot of determination an time to do..
So if your ready to be wearing tape an weights all the time for the next 2 or 3 years, you can fully stretch the foreskin back to it's original form.
It will make the head of the penis more moist an sensitive, however the super sensitive nerves in the foreskin will not grow back, an it will not slide like an intact foreskin would, as the special skin was removed in the cutting process, can't remember what it was called at the moment.
The United States has the highest circumcision rate of any "civilized" country too... Ugh.
I'm circumcised myself and I suffer no deficiency in my sex life, whether with another person or when I'm mastrubating.
So really, treating it like it's some horrible mutilation is just going overboard. How about you ask the people who have had it done first, before you generalize the whole thing.
It's usually the circumcised ones who go 'overboard' there, so I trust they have good reason for that. Still, circumcision without consent is something anybody 'civilized' would or should most likely consider something wrong. And what's with the logic that the baby just can't say no which makes it okay? Unborns can't object to abortion, so it should be pretty fine to do it, eh? Sarcastic remark there. Of course, the baby won't be traumatized (too badly) or at least won't be able to remember it. But how does that make it any better for the adolescent or adult at a later time? Sorry, but the simple fact that you can't say 'No' very much makes you an unwilling participant to many, many things. I do thing it actually is part of the very definition of 'unwilling'. How about you ask those circumcised ones who go overboard?
And no, doing something like this simply shouldn't be well within the parents' rights. Period. Even medical situations need to be very dire at such a young age that circumcision and not some other medical, non-surgical treatment is required. The health benefits are a plain lie. And considering that holding down an adult and forcefully cutting off his foreskin would perfectly qualify as abuse and/or mutilation - the only point that obviously makes it okay is that babies can't object to something that can't really be undone, despite all the restoration you might go through. And for some people it is very traumatizing, indeed. Later. Should we even start with the many things that can go wrong during a circumcision? How many people there are who have truly suffered from a botched circumcision - for the rest of their life or until they go through even more painful surgeries?
Being one of the dirty, silly Europeans, it certainly baffles me that, while North Americans uphold values like freedom of mind and speech, they so eagerly surrender or not care about them in regards to needless, surgical alterations at an age that they can't yet make decisions or object to them.
Oh, but don't get me wrong. I do like the look of a circumcised penis. And that's exactly the point. It should be done because you chose to do so and when you can choose. Because of the looks, erotic or sexual things or maybe even religious reasons. Whatever. The parents have the right to choose? What about YOUR right to choose? And where do you draw the line? A finger? An eye? A leg?
You know, a few centuries back, kids couldn't legally refuse sexual intercourse with horny, old men or women.
So please, just because you're okay with being circumcised and enjoy it, don't trivialize the whole thing.
I'm pretty sure you'd agree that forced female 'circumcision' is mutilation. But since that is mostly done to adolescents or even adults, it obviously is wrong. While forced male circumcision seems perfectly fine simply because it's done when they're still babies. It's wrong. It should be illegal. Period. (Situation over here? Doctors will refuse and very likely report to the authorities when they'd have to fear the parents might just go somewhere else for it. Bottom line is that such parents might even have taken their child away from them to simply ensure the child's safety and well-being. Worst-case scenario, but it can happen.)
Horrible mutilation? Maybe not. Forced, needless and without reason? Yes, certainly. And those who suffer in any way from it, might have all the right to call it mutilation and go a little overboard. Eh?
Simply don't do it. Those who still want it, can do so later. Those who don't, will be happy and intact. Easy enough. And nobody gets hurt.
But, as an adult it takes much longer for something like that to heal up. So I'm sure the reason you don't see many, if any at all to begin with, getting a circumcision done later in life is probably because it's a much more costly procedure, and there are numerous complications that could occur then, moreso than what might happen when you're just born.
Also, the parents are doing what they think is best for their child. They don't have a circumcision done on a whim or just because the notion strikes their fancy. Whether it's for religious, or health reasons, or what not, the parents believe their child will be better off one way or the other.
And I'm not trying to trivialize. I just find the generalization and demonizing of the process frustrating. So forgive if I swing hard in the opposite direction. The subject tends to erk me with how much hyperbole gets spewed by it's opponents.
But honestly? In fact, I do think that many parents do it on a whim; "because everyone does it." And because doctors are as badly misinformed as many parents.
Of course, you can't really question the religious excuse there since doing so will only get the religious types on a rampage. Christians are an exception, though. They should actually and simply take the time to read the Bible for once, start to finish, before bitchslapping others with quotes from it that are supposed to back their point of view.
Health and hygiene reasons are quite frankly utter bullshit. Even phimosis does not always require circumcision, especially at such a young age.
I've yet to meet just one supporter of forced circumcision on infants that can come up with one valid reason that is not so utterly generalized itself.
But, of course, we're probably all wrong over here when doctors tell parents not to do circumcision without the dire need for it, after everything else has failed. When parents actually risk losing their child should they insist on doing it for no apparent reason. And yes, you're making it sound like a rather trivial thing: "Babies heal easily. Not a big thing. Best to get it done early on." What kind of excuse is that?
Obviously I also do swing hard in just the other direction.
Sorry, but it tends to erk me quite a bit, as well. Just one valid reason. Only one that isn't terribly generalized or misinformed and wrong. And I'll shut up. (Religion is exempt. See above.)
Out of curiosity: regarding yourself, how exactly are you better off?
And being circumcised, [assuming it was at birth] you have never been both sexually active and uncircumcised. Whether you are sexually functional has no relevancy to the cold hard scientific fact that the most sensitive part of the penis [check some sensitivity charts if you don't believe me] has been removed. And what are you talking about, ask people who have had it done?
-- I MYSELF have had it done to me! That was the point of this whole journal entry.--
I'm not sitting here generalizing anything at all. I posted this journal to ask other people about foreskin regrowth procedures and techniques, not to rebut people defending penis slicing so they can feel adequate. It doesn't matter at all that one can still get off with a penis that has a dried glans and a missing foreskin, that is not. Justification. And it is absolutely a damned human rights violation in every sense of the word. How much more can you violate someone than by removing a part of their genitalia when they have absolutely no ability to deny it?? It just doesn't get more personal than that.
Parents are quite free to rearrange their children's bodies as they see fit too, but that doesn't justify it in the slightest; neither do society's norms. I suppose tribes who slice off female clitorises which aren't necessary either aren't being barbaric because their cultures say it's fine? You are loosing something when you are circumcised, just like a woman who loses her clitoris, regardless of whether it's as dramatic a change, and regardless of whether she can still experience sexual pleasure satisfactorily. I don't understand why I'm having to argue this obvious point. How about you do some research next time before you decide to defend something?
Secondly, the only reason I commented is because other folks have decided to bring the whole 'down with circumcision' argument to the field. And it bothers me that I, as someone who is circumcised, is treated as though I've had something horrible done to me that should be treated like a crime and that I'm worthy of sympathy for apparently missing out on something that I didn't know I had. I mean really, I feel compelled to respond because if I don't, then I can't defend the fact that yes, I had it done to me, no, I don't mind it.
As for asking folk, I have plenty of friends who are circumcised, and quite happy with it. That's what I meant. You have this loud, outspoken group who claim they've been mutilated, when there's all kinds of people, who can say that they're just fine with it themselves. It bothers me that no one takes them into account. Whenever this argument arises, it's always the people who go on about how utterly wrong it is and stuff who are treated as right, and everyone else who tries to argue against them is wrong.
I don't need to do the research to defend my position. I have my own personal experience to back me up. I mean really you can toss all the scientific data and diagrams at me that you want, but when I can say that I've had it done to me, and that I'm okay and fine, and no adverse effects, is it really so wrong?
I felt the need to forward your statement about female genital mutilation being a myth to some female friends - and, trust me, you better never cross their paths.
Only because you close your eyes very, very hand and pretend nothing happened, doesn't mean it really didn't happen. Again, stop living in a bubble.
You are perfectly free to enjoy and be fine with it. Like everyone else.
But after reading this:
I don't need to do the research to defend my position. I have my own personal experience to back me up. I mean really you can toss all the scientific data and diagrams at me that you want, but when I can say that I've had it done to me, and that I'm okay and fine, and no adverse effects, is it really so wrong?
There is little point in continuing this discussion with you. Because no matter what you are told, it won't make a difference.
Bottom line: No, you're not a bad person for being circumcised. I like the looks myself. But yes, indeed, maybe I do pity you. Not because you have lost your foreskin, but because you never had a choice and feel so strongly about defending something that is, time and again, proven to be something wrong without having anything of any substance to back you up, aside from your personal experience. And sadly, that's not quite enough to justify what is done to infants every day.
I personally feel that I should not have been circumcised. Ever. The discomfort during sex and masturbation, as well as the clear division in sensitivity on either side of the scar tells me that there's something wrong. The design is flawed. There's mechanical inferiority to a circumcised penis. It makes me feel really really unpleasant feelings toward my parents and a society that condones such a practice. To the point that most of the time, to avoid a hardened bitter heart, I look away. I try not to think about it. Because of this willful ignorance, most of the time I'm fine with it. Because most of the time I tell myself that although it was another person's choices that forced me into this situation, I myself have two options. I can channel my passion to tell people how I personally feel about circumcision. Hopefully influence the social context around me to stop it. I can also take my passion and dedicate myself to foreskin restoration. Unless I'm willing to follow through on those options, it'd be better for me to just not obsess over it.
I think that's a valid thing. Many problems seem worse if they become a pink elephant. (An obsession) I think that telling people that they don't have to feel so bad about it all the time is a valid sentiment to hold. I think that a lot of the pro-circumcision standpoint comes from this position. From people who would just rather change their perspective than focus on the implications of their situation. To willfully ignore their situation. To just make lemonade out of the lemon. But the worst injustices are the ones we learn to bear.
I think that if you're a parent. You're weighing the choice to circumcise your child. If you do chose to circumcise, your child can either be fine with it, like you. Be ignorant like many people in a mostly circumcised society can be. Or be frustrated and angry with you, giving them reasons to resent you, rebel against you, and otherwise undermine your efforts to raise and educate them. The rational minded parent, the one unconcerned with the social reality of a mostly circumcised social context, the one who is not willing to physically or emotionally pressure their child into accepting their circumcised penis (because there is NO rational argument for the circumcision of the unwilling) would chose not to circumcise. Essentially circumcision is a needless procedure that makes more problematic situations than it solves. The design is flawed, and we should look elsewhere on issues of the male genitalia. It's such an extreme measure for some rather small issues.
The willfully ignorant will still resort to circumcision however. Because they just don't want to talk to their children about their dicks. Or because they want to go along with the social status quo that eases their ignorance.
Oh, and yeah, you DO need to actually do research before you defend your position, cause otherwise you come off sounding like...ya know...stupid.
Just my opinion. *shrugs*
Sure. Of course. But speaking practically, sex doesn't need to be pleasurable. It just needs to be able to provide reproduction.
Which, being the homos that we are, doesn't matter anyway XD
I don't really need to do that much research, because a lot of it is logical anyway. It's also very subject to opinions. If you really want accuracy about this topic you can just talk with people. Ask them what they know. I've talked to people both circumcised and uncircumcised and heard their opinions. I've heard circumcised people talk both about how they wish they had foreskins, and how they're glad they don't. But all I've heard from people who remember having their foreskins is how they had them removed for this or that reason. The one who still has his said he'll have it removed at one point or another.
I think... when I first came here it was to argue... right? It's been a few days... seems....
ah shit. Never mind. Happy Thanksgiving.
And yeah, sorry, I don't know anyone who has gone through the experience.
I can honestly say I've never had a problem with being circumcised.
To be fair though, I do live in south Florida, predominantly Hispanic and stuff.
I wondered that why mine has a different color 030
It causes the glans to get all callused and dried up too, so you don't get to feel as much sensation as you'd get to otherwise. Neither partner is able to get as much pleasure out of sex. That's the entire POINT of circumcision! Religions started up the practice to keep boys from pleasuring themselves. It's just fucking astonishing what other people will do to you, even as a goddamn infant, when they feel entitled enough.
Pardon my language, this just pisses me off endlessly. >.<;;
Honestly, the rampant generalization and demonization of the process is astounding.
There is absolutely a loss of sensation; this was the original intent of circumcision. Now that doesn't mean that sex won't be at all pleasurable without it, it just means you have reduced sensation. You might still believe you find it just as satisfactory but scientifically speaking that's just the way the penis works; and assuming you were cut at birth, there's simply no way you could know what it would be like to have a foreskin in the first place. :<
And whether your parents were religious has no effect on the origin of the circumcision practice. There is also a direct correlation between the religiosity of a nation and this practice. I don't understand why anyone would be motivated to defend the practice of circumcision, especially on children, save for the denial that one has lost something.
Also, measuring the loss of sensation isn't a perfect science. Is there really any way to tell whether or not I get any more or less sensation out of sexual stimulation than someone's who's uncut. Yes, the diagrams and research claims I have less sensation, but actual sensation itself can't really be measured or quantified. And I can tell you right now my glans are not dry or callused. If they were, I' be more concerned
And you're right, I can't know what it was like, since I was cut at birth. But I can state with much certainty that my sensitivity, when it comes to sex anyway, has not suffered for it.
Also, sure, no medical institution advocates circumcision, but I don't see them decrying it as a useless and baseless procedure either. Also, those same studies that claim the health benefits are suspect can't concretely say there are no benefits at ALL. Merely that it's unclear what benefits are gained.
for me, just regular rubber O-rings work just fine. i wear 3 #19s you can wear more to increase the stretch
other methods with taping, and inserts work great, way way faster. just a bit more work that's all.
I didn't think I'd actually be saying this seriously, but sorry for opening my mouth. It was in very bad taste.
Also, there isn't a whole lot of proof that the foreskin is as sensitive as most believe, as there's really no reliable studies on the subject (given that it's something that's very hard to test). It's mostly medical speculation, and those studies that have been done have come up with mixed results.
And please don't get me wrong, I'm by no means advocating for circumcision, I'm strongly against it. I'm just trying to say that maybe you're not missing as much as you think you are. I mean, it's better to focus on what you do have then what you can't get back, yeah?