sooo looong
well... i wonder who will listen to the whole thing...

I will

Me too. ^^

Me three

Thanks for answering my question!

"Dont be afraid to boast" is a very good lesson. I'd rather be thought of as arrogant than some wishy-washy gal with false modesty.

I appreciate you answering my question and admitting that you have no idea what the Venus Project was about (your assumptions about it were amusing nonetheless :P).

Just a glance at a definition of it (admitting a glance at Wikipedia) shows a lack of understanding what turns "resources" into valuable goods and things that benefit human life. The part where human labor has to come in to play is where raw resources are harvested, modified, and built into more valuable items for consumption. At a glance it would seem to regard the labor aspect as a "resource" as well, to be harvested and directed by central planning, without any regard for the fact that it's people's lives.

Collectivism had always implied humans belong, as property, to collectivist leaders, and I can't see the difference here. Stripping the profit motive from good ideas and hard work tries to negate the value produced through a human's labor, and his ability to capitalize on his desire to create, something Marx first proposed. It all just strikes me as repackaged communism.

The Wikipedia definition doesn't actually do the Venus project idea at it's core justice at all. The idea proposes using computers to organise and manage the worlds resources with almost all of the labour being done by machines. Leaving people free to do what they want or what they feel is best.
I'm not sure which definition of collectivism adhered to the many being property to the few but I will admit the definition you stated has been used (or misused) on only one foundation, where survival is based on trade and the scarcity of resources (which admittedly was vital in archaic times, but now seems more like a liability from my point of view, in an age where there are more than enough resources to go around). As for repackaged communism? It's as far from communism as capitalism is from monarchy because it doesn't crucially contradict itself, communism has no place in a system of trade.

Theories like Communism and others like it fail because they are often at odds with a civilisation whose foundation only really works with capitalism. Ultimately the current system sees us at the mercy of those with money. This new system estimates that only around 3% of the population would actually need to work (which could be done in voluntary shifts) leaving everyone else without the fear or incentive of survival to do what they want.

Those who create may do it of their own accord without any incentive or turn to recognition of their work as an alternative. If such a society existed where you didn't need to work to survive, would that really stop you from doing work on Original Life or your adult comics? Beth didn't need a monetary incentive to sell her paintings (that was admittedly a cheap-shot on my part regarding a fictional character).

I won’t go into each and every point but I would recommended watching (or listening, the visuals aren’t too vital) a documentary called “Zeitgeist Moving Forward” (free on youtube) which details the bulk of the beliefs regarding the Venus Project.
Ultimately, if humans were to colonise an Earth like planet. This would be the most practical system of civilisation to utilise which means it should also be a valid system to use regarding this planet.
I'm sure this all sounds like "Marxist drivel" so I won't ramble on about it, I'll just recommend you watch the film and it'll either test your current believes or strengthen them. Either way I hope you see what it intends to achieve.

I'm not going to address your assertions about money and power, because they neglect what money actually is and how value is created. It sounds like a very odd dream state you're envisioning. But to be honest, I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind it so long as I was free to still achieve beyond the default. I would be happy if the means of sustenance were privately owned by the men who provided the initial creative vision and resources to construct them, as it should be theirs by default. I would be happy as long as I received a loaf of bread from the machines, to create and sell better tasting bread from a bakery of my own to compete with the machines, and to trade with other people using any system of currency we wish. This is the default freedom I require, otherwise you have a totalitarian state that strips men of their right to property, and condemns their behavior freedoms to mere frivolous activities or production from which they cannot profit.

And I should add, at any time the operators of the machines wish not to work them, they shouldn't be required to do so. Forcing them to do so would be slavery. Men should only work voluntarily, feeling obligated by his metaphysical nature, but not by force put on him by other men.

If you can agree to these terms, I can live with the system.

They claim it is designed for the people and their main assumption is that people would gladly volunteer to help maintain it, so no one by default is forced to do anything.

I completely agree and would also demand those same freedoms. What the designers intended for this system was just to deal with and share out whatever resources the people demanded, giving them a safety net of sorts to allow them the freedom to do whatever they wish, be it create or trade.

I appreciate you entertaining the idea of it but it's understood that it doesn't necessarily mean you find the idea realistic.
When I first heard about the idea, I also considered it odd and unusual (and I've used the word pipe dream a few times) but the more I read into it the more sense it began to make, and the more practical it seemed regarding how humans interact with the planet and each other.
But I won't press the issue too far I'll just hope you investigate the Venus Project and reach your own conclusion based on what they say and not what a random comment on Furaffinity is preaching. ;)


My personal understanding of money as an abstract representation of a resource where the price is primarily determined by the demand and scarcity of said resource. I'll leave it at that.

The price is determined by the seller based on demand plus the value added by the producer's labor. This is what the Venus idea fails to address when decrying money. The rub is, if you accept all the freedoms I spelled out, including private ownership of the automated machines and the option not to be forced to work on them, you have capitalism (and a system of trade that involves money) by default?

I'll happily cover a more detailed explanation in next week's audio.

I’d appreciate that, but before we continue debating, I'd highly recommend that you see more of the facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w You should definitely watch this first before continuing this discussion with me, or anyone for that matter, it should clear up all your questions and preconceptions.

damn, wish I knew there was more >,<
I was gonna ask if we were gonna see Beth, Aron, Nikki, and other characters in Original Life down the line.

Such an awesome voice. you should be a public speaker~

Just got done listening to it and I really enjoyed it. I found this one just as interesting and entertaining as the last ones. I look forward to the printed books.

Just got done listening to it. You absolutely have a great voice, and the water in the background is so calming... Thanks for putting up the time to record this, I'm looking foreward to your future works.

Where do you want us to ask new questions for the upcoming naylorcast? Are you going to post a journal for it every week or have a specific place on your site in the future or something? Just wondering ^-^

I just sort of take them ad hoc.

Ok,well I was wondering what the relationship is between the Badly Drawn Kitties universe and Better Days/Original life universe is. I know they aren't the same, but I'd like to know about what aspired you to use the characters or maybe if you and Matt Sherer worked together on them or something