No this person should get kicked out.

Yo screw Yugioh. Selfish guy needs to go!

Nope...Totally deserves a boot to the ass.

Welcome to why I RARELY allow people to stay with me.

No. Boot ahoy, this is unacceptable behavior in any situation. I am sure you will be made out to be the villain somehow but don't let it affect you.

No. Even if they weren't a dick, anyone who plays Yu-Gi-UGH should be homeless.

dude, all in good heart i say this...kick'em out..if he/she is doing and saying all this then they dont deserve your hospitality anymore

Egad, what a leech. Put your foot down, brudda!

Well I mean, come on.... have a heart. The guy may just be...............naw, I can't say that with a straight face. Ask him what the shape of Italy looks like and then once he guesses "a boot?" BOOT HIM!!!!!

As an older and possibly wiser person:

No, you don't owe this person more. You are free to require the person to leave at the end of the month.

I've been in this exact situation. (didn't talk shit about me though, though I could be wrong). Had to be done.

I can only support your decision. Beeing nice and helpful is one thing but you don't have to let this person take advantage of you. What you did was more than enough and certainly more than most would have done. Go ahead, get rid of this asshole!

This is what happens when a 12 year old is your room mate.

Kick their ass out. Do they need to be yelled at in the face to get a hint ? Tell em how it is (:

this comes way too late but Ive come (after horribly repeated horrible dead-end-horrors) to the admittedly pre-emptive conclusion that there are people who actually demand to be governed; they somehow manage to make a clear cut between work and organization. ALSO, there are people who cope by doing the exact opposite of beeing efficient.

your before-first mistake was probably not realizing that you were not ready for that
your first mistake was not to realize that those two kinds of peeps seemed to have come together for you
your second was not making up the right rules from the start
third was not enforcing them without at least initially any respect for their opinion (the only authority they have learned coping with)
and that includes restless/emmideate punishment for disloyalty (o.o I hate that word only a liiitle bit..)

the only way I see to cope with that when already in the middle of it, would be to me: preparing a huge fight and subduing them with psychological and physical violence (Im pretty sure that this would only be self defense, legally, if you just start with the common sense demands), then give them the choice to leave until next friday, and if they dont throw themselves out, help them and make them focus again and again because its just not gonna work any other way.

I know it comes too late; I just realized Id actually like to try that out~

Well, as all of these tragic stories begin, he seemed like such a nice guy!

As far as demanding to be governed, he complained CONSTANTLY that we treated him like a child and not like a friend. Don't think we weren't on top of his ass; he just lied and complained about it.

I've since learned to enter a physical contract with sublets :3 seems to make relationships less strained.

As far as making and enforcing rules, dude is a grown ass man. There's only so much you can do to help someone get on their feet before they have to do something themselves. I think, perhaps, I was too lenient on enforcing pay. He came into my home after moving here for a boyfriend who dumped him a week after he got here, and he had no where to go. He had pity on his side. At first, he paid the rent... mostly... and that was OK with me. I thought he was having a hard time finding a job, and I gave him space to do his artwork, since he was a rather popular artist. That was his income. I found out, though, that he has a bad habit of consistently getting behind on his artwork, to the tune of hundreds of dollars of art debt, and no motivation to get it done.
As far as disloyalty, Panda had heard these things going on for a while, and they'd clash over it very violently. Of course, he denied it. I chose not to chastise until I knew for a fact it wasn't just rumors. He didn't know I was home one day, and he decided to bad mouth me to his friends, and he knew a fury I'd never displayed before. I'm a pretty patient, easy-going guy, so to incur my rage means you've fucked up bad.

The fight? Well, let's just say it almost happened between him and Panda several times. Panda was waiting for him to strike, at which point, being a fucking Panda, he could lay his ass flat and kick him out on the street (Panda grew up in the hood. He don't play games). The guy knew better than to actually come to blows with him, but the screaming was intense once things hit the fan. And when things did hit the fan, there wasn't anything I could do, because it was always warranted.
Panda always wanted to just give him a week, but truth be told, the guy is charismatic in his patheticness; he had a lot of friends giving us dirty glares, and kicking him out without warning would have been bad for social business, if you'll pardon the crudeness of the idea. Besides, I'm too fucking nice. I devised this month and a half thing with his interests in mind (to give him time to figure out where to go or to shape up his act) and four weeks in he starts complaining about how unfair it was, how he had no time to get himself straight, et cetera. At which point, I said, "Fuck you and die."

Recently, he lost both the jobs he got, one for quitting, and the other for a bad performance review. He moved back to Memphis, and he's living with someone who will baby him now, so I hope they're all happy.

eh if I force it it sounds like I wanna blame you for beeing nice, and I certainly wont do that >:3
Im still experimenting strongly with the whole line of thought, this whole hobbes wolve psychology is like an independant worldview. with that being said, yes, you are too nice xD and also, as I was talking fights, I didnt talk about mere violence of whatever thought. you can, as I said, plan fights =p
but I didnt know it was also about business and the public so much, that is a challenge I cant say much about yet. so my answer is a belated and useless "away with him" </3

I prefer to be too nice than a jaded douchebag ;) one person being a shitty freeloading dickass shouldn't stop me from being charitable :3

planning fights sounds manipulative. I don't like doing that.

mostly, it wasn't, but it was a factor to consider. everyone loves this guy for some reason. I think it's because he's so pathetic, people just wanna coddle him.

this is the most important thing moving my thoughts these days; feel okay to "push" it again after those words. if youre just being patient and polite give me a sign to stop mkay?

Im sure you know the phrase "dont give them fishes, teach them fishing".
ever thought of not "manipulating" aggressive, dependant people makes life worse for others and themselves? because my point was that you didnt intend it of course, but you still didnt help anybody by leaving him freedom he couldnt handle, in the long run that is.

I didn't give him a fish, I gave him a line and a boat. I think there's a distinction. His ability to fish had nothing to do with me; I only expected to be paid at the end of the month. The chump charity was to help him get his act together, give him an environment in which he could work off his debts without having to worry about current bills, but I'm not a job coach. I gave him the tools he needed to fish, and he didn't use them because he's a lazy, selfish fool, and he will never change.


To be honest, I don't care about him anymore, certainly not enough to manipulate his actions. For that matter, it wasn't my job to force him to do anything but pay rent. Extra energies spent trying to manipulate him into being a better person would have been wasted, because he doesn't want to be a better person.
Manipulating him into a confrontation would not have settled anything. In the end, forcing a fight to happen only to kick him out would only have served to validate his whining and give him fuel to bitch about things even more. All of our friends who knew him were like, "You can't kick him out. He's doing the best he can," and everyone who didn't said, "Why haven't you kicked his ass out yet? He's a lazy mooch."
And then, where would he go? I foolishly promised him I wouldn't make him live on the streets. In honor of that, I gave him time to find somewhere to go or to earn his house and home. In retrospect, he'd probably have moved in with the people he's already moved in with now, and we wouldn't have gotten a roommate for the summer after he moved, since he's living with that person.
Things didn't go smoothly, but that would have only made matter worse. When he was finally kicked out, everyone knew it had to be done and that it had been done on fair terms (except his Yu-Gi-Oh friends, but fuck 'em. They don't know me). Diplomacy tends to look better at face value, especially when the person on the other side gains a reputation for bad mouthing you.
I was surprised (and happy for him) when he got two jobs back in LA, I facepawed when he quit the first, and I was completely unfazed when he lost the second because of poor work performance (as in, who didn't see this coming?).

And at this point, no one can fault me when I say, "Fuck 'im. I hope he gets where he's going."