Plantigrade vs. Digitigrade?
14 years ago
Okay, another journal, sorry.
Alright, I want your opinions. Do you prefer plantigrade or digitigrade legs in anthro art, and why?
If you really feel like thinking about it, consider it applied to modern characters who would wear normal, "everyday" clothes in a normal urban setting. Would digitigrade legs make shoes look completely awkward, and make going barefoot necessary? How would having digitigrade legs change a character's clothing choices? Would having digitigrade legs emotionally distance the viewer from the character by making it seem too "inhuman"? Any examples of how you've liked this portrayed by yourself or other artists?
Personally, I've drawn both. I'm more comfortable with the anatomy of plantigrade legs, but I really admire the "animalistic" feel of digitigrade legs. My default setting is plantigrade, but am thinking about experimenting. Can't decide myself. :I
Alright, I want your opinions. Do you prefer plantigrade or digitigrade legs in anthro art, and why?
If you really feel like thinking about it, consider it applied to modern characters who would wear normal, "everyday" clothes in a normal urban setting. Would digitigrade legs make shoes look completely awkward, and make going barefoot necessary? How would having digitigrade legs change a character's clothing choices? Would having digitigrade legs emotionally distance the viewer from the character by making it seem too "inhuman"? Any examples of how you've liked this portrayed by yourself or other artists?
Personally, I've drawn both. I'm more comfortable with the anatomy of plantigrade legs, but I really admire the "animalistic" feel of digitigrade legs. My default setting is plantigrade, but am thinking about experimenting. Can't decide myself. :I
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Digitgrade looks more like the animal that the anthro is.
And I just like how digitgrade look better :}
Good examples of plantigrade anthros would be skunks and bears. Digitigrade anthros would be canines and felines.
Most importantly, people shouldnt draw things like kangaroos, bears, raccoons, rabbits, etc. with digitigrade legs, since they don't have them! Giving cats/dogs/whatever plantigrade legs in anthros makes sense, since we're humanizing them, and humans are plantigrade.
But making a rabbit digitigrade? Makes no sense at all.
Also, MEGA props to you. You're the first person I've seen (besides myself) who spells digitigrade right. I keep seeing people spelling it "digigrade" for some reason.
Plantigrades can wear shoes. :3
For something like chibi style plantigrade I think is better. For me anyway.
Tho it not a major thing for me.
Plus they just look baddass and make the tails have more of a purpose than just decoration almost.
The digitgrade feet with a tail provides a proper balance for the body rather than plantigrade. (at least I think so)
There are cons for shoes would have to be a no go with digitgrade.
(this doesn't bother me though since I hate shoes :3)
Plus pants would have to be adjusted in order to fit the added length of digitgrade feet.
Skinny jeans would be hard to make cause you got to get them legs through.
(Though with fur... clothing just seems... horrible if kept tight)
Yeah I'm not saying its impossible but it would require more materials to make certain things and less for others.
So there are pros and cons for both sides.
But I just love digitgrade <3
You could wear shoes, but they'd be a completely different shape and design.
Now mind you, high heels are perfectly OK.
Also in part it does make them seem more human.
It's true, if you want a more animalistic-looking anthro, you should go with digigrade... and if you want a more civilized-looking anthro, you should go with plantigrade. Not that you can't go with either, but it's true what you said, they bring different connotations with them.
...I think I might be the opposite. o_o Curious.
Also, I find plantigrade easier to draw, but that might be because it involves a lot less made up anatomy and real people can be used as reference, rather than trying to figure out how to turn legs meant to be part of a quadruped into working for bipedal creatures.
I'm actually a little surprised by the overwhelmingly pro-digitigrade response.
I've seen a lot of artists do this and it doesn't make them seem too animalistic, if you're worrying about distancing the people from the characters.
This guy explains it very well, what would be needed in order to make digitigrade work
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2732911/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4893823/
In stories that are modern time based in regards to clothing styles, attitudes, and life it seems better to do plantigrade as it looks more natural with the clothing and tends to give a tiny bit more connection for the viewer. The style of the artist affects whether digitgrade or plantigrade looks better too. I find that cartoony style works best with plantigrade and more realistic to work with digitgrade however the characters would not have any use for shoes or their shoes would be very different from traditional foot wear. A lot of it comes down to the skill or feel the artist wants to portray
In art plantigrade looks fine to me as long as the proportions arent too abnormal or forced. I find plantigrade creatures look best in simpler clothing or none at all. I prefer plantigrade over digitgrade because it mixes human/animal a bit more and gives them a little more of a feral or natural look HOWEVER animals standing upright is completely unnatural and it makes a bit more sense for plantigrade due to the posture of upright animals and the support their back needs.
I normally dont put shoes on digitigrade feet because i think it looks odd x_x
But it's mostly situational and what people want (in commissions, I guess).
I like plantigrade critters from an aesthetic viewpoint more, but that's because I just love the human body.
Impure reason: because I have a fetish and plantigrade feet are more aesthetically appealing. Digitigrade paws, by contrast, don't really do it for me.
Pure reason: locomotion. Upright bipedal creatures are simply designed for plantigrade legs (or is it plantigrade legs are designed for upright bipedal creatures? Well, either way....) I'm not saying that something on two digitigrade legs would be completely immobile or anything--you can walk that way, it's just awkward compared to the plantigrade design, which is clearly the most efficient and optimal evolution. Compare walking on your tip-toes all the time to... not walking on your tip-toes all the time. You can do it but it's weird and not what you were really built for.
Also...I actually never really thought too much about how inconvenient it would be to walk on two digitigrade feet. o.o; It does make sense that if the character is going to move and behave in an otherwise "human" fashion, it should be built like that.
(Also, yes, I totally just walked/trotted/sprinted across the room on my toes to test it. I am a dork.)
I generally prefer more animalistic anthros, and when applicable prefer digitigrade. Some artists draw feet that appear sort of half way in between, and I don't know why but those really look strange and bother me if I notice it.
I prefer digigrade that are more elongated so that legs are almost a mix of the two.
my 2 cents...feel free to give change.
I definitely prefer digitigrade, at least for horses. It makes sense with hooves.
I myself prefer Digitigrade, for the over all look of balance and beauty. If something has a tail, to me it feels like they need the extra ability to pivot weight around, or rather, cause they have a digi-legs, they need a tail. Where anything that walks around on two, the more upright they are the smaller the tail seems to be in the animal world.
But it is true, if you are going to draw the lower portion of clothes past shorts, it does make things more awkward, and the whole idea of shoes just doesn't work in my mind (although I have drawn types of sandals in the past for digi.)
Plantigrade style is really more for those types of furs that are trying to portray themselves, as themselves, but with an animal face. No limitations on clothes, no extra things to really figure out like how would you get that over-sized heal through those skin tight jeans, and so on. So I find myself asking when I take commissions "What kind of legs are you?" And I also do come across plantigrade people wanting either paw feet or more humanistic toes. What I have come to find with people is it really depends on how they play, and that those that are an everyday, modern character, are planti, but anyone who does more wild, jungle types, tend to lean way more in the digi area.
For me, it's an interesting subject that I have thought about before, and wonder if there are any rivals between the two styles amongst people here on FA and other furry sites; what the perks are from one to the other, and how can both styles be in the same world per say, if they are at all. And that inspired a story I'm trying to work on now, where you do have both types of anthros in the world, and a "racial" tension between the two dividing factions (then you get all the sub species of cats, dogs, bear, etc.) Quite fun to play around with flip-flop things like this :D
And I agree with your assessment on the different "types" of furs, and their use of the different statures. I actually found myself thinking about this to begin with because of two different comic projects I've done/am doing (one older project having more "feral" characters that I had used digitigrade legs with, and the other project having a more modern theme where I gave them plantigrade legs without even noticing the style discrepancy until just now).
It'd be interesting to read a story about the two different types interacting, and how each group developed. XD
So far when it comes to Planti and Digi types, there is no one side that has just cats or just dogs, or just exactly what ever. Planti sofar have Tigers, good number of dog types, bears and a few others, while Digi's have Wilddogs, Lions, Ocelots, some scalie things. The list will explode after a while XD
Quite complicated right now, and I'm mainly working on the main characters and world development before I continue to draw the story out, and it's going to be quite epic (I hope)
And that's not to say I'm against plantigrade, there's some species out there that walk as such and it goes back to what I just said about bringing over as much of the species as possible into an anthro form. And I have no problem if ever a customer requests me to do it regardless of species basis or not. I do however find digitigrade easier.
There are countless ways to manipulate clothes and shoes to fit digitigrade, I prefer barefoot for the most part because...sometimes drawing shoes sucks. As for lack of emotional connection, it probably depends on the person, there's a lot of us(even with my anti-AR stance and what not), who, for one reason or another, feel more connection towards animals/nature regardless, so digitigrade isn't going to make us feel less connected. There may be some whom it deters on some levels, but I think more and more people will become used to it over time.
That being said, either really works. As for shoes.. the human foot is a real challenge to do shoes for correctly, why would paws be harder? We just have 50,000 years of experience and have made shoe-manufacture a well understood task. We've also tackled the same problem for animals; if you want examples, look in a dog-supplies catalog for booties for sled-dogs. Paw-shoes, no problem. Plus, you can always do sandals. I've always thought that sandals that lace up the shank of the foot look very nice on digitigrade anthros.
Things to think about when designing digitigrade footwear... the claws are larger. How are the shoes put on without snagging on the claws? There is more flex between paw and footshank than on a human... how does the shoe deform in response to that? What about the claws themselves, are they exposed (open-toed boots)? How far up the shank does the shoe go? How do you keep your kids from using them as chew-toys?
Digitigrade also seems to work a little better in fantasy settings than modern, though that can be used as a tool by the writer (i.e. digitigrade furries are seen as throwbacks, primitives, the equivalent of the unibrow).
There are other physical characteristics which can go multiple ways which to me correlate to the digitigrade/plantigrade axis, but that's another subject.
A typical fully upright, normal, human top (hips up) would not work correctly with full on dog-type back legs. It just wouldn't. The legs would have to be much straighter, albeit not necessarily to the shape of human legs. (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4653127/, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4899256/, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3505344/)
Or the upper half would have to be more forward/hunched, in order to balance over the legs, and it wouldn't likely allow for particularly fast locomotion, but would potentially allow a four legged run. Assuming the forepaws/hands are soft, wimpy, overly human things. (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3158736/, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4065732/, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3998735/, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3998735/, ** http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3478761/ <- last one is my most favourite depiction ever)
As for preference, or connecting with a character. I'm not more drawn to one or the other. If anything, just to what goes together well. If a character is well built/proportioned/etc, then I'm happy. ^..^
yeah, doing digitigrade makes clothing very difficult x.x That's why I keep the pants as shorts and barefoot, if its clothed at all (everything covered by fur)
And don't forget unguligrade for some of the hoofers! ;)
Because its less human. I know there's a couple plantigrade animal species out there but not as many as digitigrade. Besides I find Digitigrade legs very evolved, streamlined, and elegant compared to the solid lame plantigrade style.
I give anthros the type of leg/feet that their non-anthro counterparts have. If it's a bear, it's plantigrade. If it's a canine, it's digitigrade.
If left to my own devices, I don't give them shoes at all. Pawpads and claws are typically enough in my book.
So, I find digigrade legs look silly on anthro art of most any kind. Plantigrade legs further gives the sense that they are being humanized, which to me is the entire point of what we're trying to accomplish with anthro art. :)
Not an actual animal, no. But anthro's do, and can, and technically if one were to create an anthro, it's possible. And it's not about being humanized, it's about being...furry...ized...that's the whole point of this fandom, and its art.
"locomotion. Upright bipedal creatures are simply designed for plantigrade legs (or is it plantigrade legs are designed for upright bipedal creatures? Well, either way....) I'm not saying that something on two digitigrade legs would be completely immobile or anything--you can walk that way, it's just awkward compared to the plantigrade design, which is clearly the most efficient and optimal evolution. Compare walking on your tip-toes all the time to... not walking on your tip-toes all the time. You can do it but it's weird and not what you were really built for. "
That's more the point I was trying to make. Sure, in the fantasy of it anyone can do whatever they want. Realistically, that'd be a lot of weight and create for horrible balance walking on your toes all the time. Real animals with digitigrade legs do not have to support their whole weight on their 'toes' all the time, and they aren't going to fall backwards because their on all fours. That works. :)
Well, running I think we use our toes more than the heel. Running on your toes doesn't seem too difficult since you're generally leaning forward already in doing so.
Standing around though, that'd be weird. I salute you :)
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It's about furitizing things people. That's what this whole fandom is about. XD
However, Overall I'd say I prefer plantigrade, because it feels more animal-human hybrid thing than animal-on-hind-legs.
Also for trying to imaging how one would do normal tasks, plantigrade just makes more sense. (shoes, pants, driving, etc)
An anthro/furry/whatever with digitigrade legs, I think, would simply wear baggier pants (male and female), or skirts (female)/sarongs (male and female). I feel they would definitely have to go barefoot, unless they wanted to wear something similar to those booties you can get for your pets, which I think look kinda tacky. lol I much prefer going barefoot anyway. Obviously, I tend to project myself a bit in my anthros... :3
One reason might be that it separates anthros from humans. Not to mention that I think that plantigrade feet on, say a reptile morph, is just plain ugly. Scaly human feet with long claws is not my idea of a good look.
so definantly digigrade lol
However it is possible to de-humanize a plantigrade foot by designing it to be more paw-like such as in works by Zen for Example.
The issue however with a plantigrade paw is the lack of a foot arch for support would cause pain and possibly instability.
I personally enjoy dehumanized feet/paws or hooves mostly for aesthetic reasons, but I'm aware of the issues regarded to such anatomy.