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18 years ago
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*I am the girl kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother that I am a lesbian.
*I am the person who is afraid of telling his loving Christian parents he loves another male.
*I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.
*I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.
*We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.
*I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.
*I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.
*I am one of the lucky ones, I guess. I survived the attack that left me in a coma for three weeks, and in another year I will probably be able to walk again.
*I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.
*We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.
*I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.
*I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.
*I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.
*I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.
*I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.
*I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.
*I am the man who died when the paramedics stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual.
*I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I did not have to always deal with society hating me.
*I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.
*I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most, love.
*I am the artist who hides his work from the world, because his subject matter and feelings are shunned
Re-post this if you believe homophobia/transphobia is wrong. Please do your part to end it.
(What this says...its fully true...please all who see this...continue it....)
I have one to add.
"I am the straight guy that looks at straight people and the list above and is ashamed to be straight."
*I am the person who is afraid of telling his loving Christian parents he loves another male.
*I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.
*I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.
*We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.
*I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.
*I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.
*I am one of the lucky ones, I guess. I survived the attack that left me in a coma for three weeks, and in another year I will probably be able to walk again.
*I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.
*We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.
*I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.
*I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.
*I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.
*I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.
*I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.
*I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.
*I am the man who died when the paramedics stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual.
*I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I did not have to always deal with society hating me.
*I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.
*I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most, love.
*I am the artist who hides his work from the world, because his subject matter and feelings are shunned
Re-post this if you believe homophobia/transphobia is wrong. Please do your part to end it.
(What this says...its fully true...please all who see this...continue it....)
I have one to add.
"I am the straight guy that looks at straight people and the list above and is ashamed to be straight."
I love being erudite.
it's people like you that make it impossible for my family to survive!!!!
You're telling me I'm as bad as someone who kills a gay person because I'm not going to kill a gay person?
Your ziathachistic attitude is ludicrious, insidious and pernicious.
and your antiquated use of multi-syllabic words doesn't prove you smarter or better than someone who uses plain English. If anything it proves you're reaching and attempting to confound the readers.
If you're going to insult me at least do it in a way that most people can understand you adulterated, asinine, inconsiderate, ignoramus!
Hypocrite.
Who's the hypocrite?
Now, you're demonstrating ignorance.
Again, you are a hypocrite.
"I am the man who doesn't give a shit, and as such, is immune to shame." implies that you care about nothing and so therefore, you don't give a shit, which supports my previous statements.
In a world of hypocrites, bigots and fools, only the largest of these cannot express himself to the fully extent of his mind in such a way that all of the above would understand him.
As previously stated, by that sentence you care about nothing.
To which, I replied, as you cannot seem to get it through your head that your language which you "care" so much about has let you down, due to the failure of your composition skills, I'll say it again. Perhaps I spoke in a manner too complicated for you to understand.
The sentence you placed directly under Dorian's journal stated that you do not care about anything and as such will not feel badly about the fact that these things are going on. Meaning that you have no remorse, or concern that there are people being beaten to death, forced to live in poverty and discriminated against all because they are trying to be who they are, and, by your words, representing themselves as best they can.
Which goes back to my original statement of your kind being as bad as the ones who actually do the discriminating. Anyone who isn't helping, is hurting.
Typing that I don't care, in response to a journal about a specific topic, means I don't care about the topic. It does not mean that I don't care about anything.
You are incorrect. Your ziathachistic attitude sickens me. What you're saying is if I'm not on your side, then I'm your enemy. What I'm saying is, I'm not on either side, and as such I am neutral. That means I mean neither side harm. Does that really make me as bad as someone that would attempt to harm you or hinder you from achieving anything? No. Perhaps I'm not useful to you, but I am not as bad as someone who would oppose you on the matter expressed in the journal entry.
But would you stop someone if you saw them doing such a thing?
Being truly neutral would mean that you wouldn't, which then says that you are just as bad as they are.
When you don't hinder evil, you support it.
I still disagree that doing nothing means I support something, other than procrastination or apathy.
In accordance with the laws of the United States, not allowing a gay, or transexual person to live within a certain apartment building is not illegal. Sexual orientation is not yet covered under the anti-discrimination laws, and there is a sizable faction that is fighting to keep it that way.
What would have happened if the laws had not been written to protect different races? Or to protect the sexes? Or to protect religion? Hundreds of thousands of people would have died, and the nation would still be living in the dark ages.
Sexual orientation is the next step forward, and in the US if you are a neutral party, one who doesn't care one way or the other, then you are helping the side that is opposed to it, simply by NOT acting. As majority rules here when it comes to making laws, any vote that is not counted means that the legislation is not a true representation of what the public wants.
To allow the opposition to succeed in keeping sexual orientation out of the anti-discrimination laws would be condemning uncounted numbers of people to lifetimes of pain, suffering, and unjust persecution.
Now, morally, you say you are neutral, but honestly, if you saw a gang beating an innocent, and the law did nothing to prevent them from doing that, can you say that you would walk away? Have no remorse about it? And be able to live with yourself afterwards?
I vote in the name of civic duty. I vote for what I think will benefit the human species the most. Equality is certainly a step in the right direction, as it seems to only be able to benefit society. I'm not sure about the US, but being a non-voter does not make me someone who votes against something. The votes for each candidate, or law or whatever are counted, and compared with each other. Non-voters do not confer a bonus to either party.
If I could attack the gang, and get away with it physically and legally, I would intervene. However, I stress that I'm not biased towards a particular group of people in doing so. If I found the same person ganging up on someone else, I'd most likely help the weaker party. Unless the action was in revenge.
I understand your point and I believe now that you understand mine, if this is not the case please, ask any questions you wish, I'll be glad to answer them.
It's been very entertaining tonight, and I apologize if any of it has caused stress on you. My husband can be a little hotheaded at times. ^_^
It was nice to have an intellectual mind to bounce off of that doesn't share the same viewpoints I do. Thank you.
Out of curiosity, what country are you from?
You seem to extoll the concept of good, and good for you. I decide not to subscribe to this particular abstract concept, but I believe in what's right for the human species and that leaves us both with the same goal in mind.
Don't worry about it - I don't take a lot of this to heart. I'm really glad we could come to an amicable, mature conclusion. Even if we were polar opposites, we could still express an "agree to disagree" conclusion.
I'm from Scotland, by the way.
Well, no wonder we butted heads then, I'm a good 75-80% Irish and my husband is 50%. lol
We're a society which splintered from Ireland in ancient times. That's why we share certain cultural influences, such as the gaelic language and celtic knotwork.
All told I'm 75-80% Irish, 10-15% English and 5-10% Scottish. And a little spattering of a couple of others, not worth adding up.
And...bloody hell, you beat me to it! :P Bah, at least I got to watch-back. lol
But that's stereotypes for you - social drag to the extreme.
What else are we famous for? Drinking. Cheers.
And yes, my father definitely agrees with that part of the stereotype. ^_^
He's where I get my scots blood. Clan Drummond if I remember correctly.
Or, apparently, just make copious use of a thesaurus. :)
Furthermore, it takes two to argue. You're also perpetuating this argument, so if it really upsets your wife, why are you upsetting her? This also makes you a hypocrite - do yourself a favour and abstain from replying to me.
If you ignore me, I will no longer converse with you.
Doesn't that also make you a hypocrite?
And I assume that the quotes around the word are some kind of veiled point that he made a typo? What are you then? God? That you're infallible and cannot make typos?
Don't be silly. Gods don't exist. I don't imply that I can't make typos, I just find it ironic that Snowfur is calling me small minded when he can't spell a common word.
I am not wrong. I have a different opinion. You need to learn the difference between these two, Snowfur.
I don't do this to inflate my ego, I do it to inform people. If you don't want to become erudite, move along. There are plenty of people who want to learn.
If you truly wanted to enlighten people then you wouldn't make those kind of comments on journals that you obviously care so little about.
A truly enlightened mind would leave it alone, and move on to comment on something that was worth their time commenting on.
If commenting here had something to do with getting in contact with Dorian, then, well, there are less public ways of doing so.
To be truly neutral would be to not support anything at all, including the laws of the country you live in, and as you've already stated that you do support and uphold the law, then you are, by deductive reasoning not truly neutral.
To place an official definition on the board:
"neu·tral /ˈnutrəl, ˈnyu-/ Pronunciation Key - [noo-truhl, nyoo-]
–adjective
2. not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral."
Now, how can I say you can't learn because you have dyslexia, when that's the first time you've mentioned it? Please, think for a minute. Just how is it possible? How can I call you up on your dyslexia if I don't know you have it? I can't. I'd no idea you had ADD either, and there is no way whatsoever to tell that you have it, unless you explicitly say. I think I would have to observe your physical appearance to get an inkling of that condition.
What does this have to do with religion?
You assume too much.
For the last time, I'm not trying to put people down for the sake of putting people down. I'm merely trying to get across my point, because I think you stand to learn something from it. You can pretend that I'm being mean all you want, but that doesn't modify my intention.
You insulted me the very instant you started conversing with me, Snowfur. I, on the other hand, professed my point in non-flammatory dialogue. It took me six replies to finally insult you. Perhaps I lost patience? I'm only human.
Any way, this has been a blast, i always love messing with people like you, but i have a life to attend to :P Peace.
You really don't do yourself any favours by putting it like that.
sucks for the both of them in the thread split above.
*I am the woman who loves both men and women, and is shunned as "loose".*
"We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men."
What if they were going to buy twin beds, to save money?
"I am the man who died when the paramedics stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual."
Is that really true? They stop treating people if they find out they're transsexuals? Doesn't that go against the oath they took to become a paramedic?
There are some really cruel things that happen in this world.
It is pretty much the same crap that used to happen about hospitals refusing to treat blacks. I know that our local hospital sent a memo down to all the doctors and staff here about anyone that treated gays or transexuals differantly than other paitents, basically telling them "You do it and you will have no backing from the hospital and we'll help the lawyers hang you out to dry." There was much to do about it because most hospitals don't have such policies when it comes to transexuals.
I know that one of the churches here considers them abominations in the eyes of god and we all know how stupid church goers can get at times.
Not long ago homosexuality was considered a pyschotic disorder. It didn't happen but if they had wanted to they could have classified all gays as a danger to the public and gathered them up and put them in camps. We did that with the Japanese durring WWII. You say so, that doesn't effect me? Well remember, you are a furry and most of the world considers you a sexual devient if not out right insane.
Too may people these days say it doesn't effect me but that is wrong, what effects one of us, effects us all. Standing by while others do something wrong is the same as giving your consent to do it. No, it isn't the same as doing it yourself, but you are still condoning the action.
For a long time I thought, I'm not gay so it really isn't my problem. Then one day a friend showed up on my doorstep, she had been beaten half to death. Her father had done it, because the minister had told him to "Beat the gay of her." Untill you hold someone you care about in your arms, until you feel the fear that they are going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it, until you feel the blind rage at god, the world and all humanity you won't realize how not taking a stand matters to you.
If you want to remain neutral and say you don't care then that is your choice, I just hope that you don't regret making that choice. I know I did,