Hey, you didn't do a damned thing wrong. If anything, what happened was a product of other peoples insecurities, and, frankly, I'm pretty damned mad that it happened to you.

Those insecurities are the result of a pretty rough childhood, I'd wager. So I am unable to blame them for that.
Much.

I envy you your level-headedness. If I were you, I'd be livid.

There is some zen to be found in never getting upclose and personal. I have walked a lot of miles in other people's shoes.

Yet still not far enough, it sometimes seems.

I'm afraid I have trouble controlling my temper, especially over a perceived injustice.

oh shit some transgendered furries disagreed with me because i couldn't effectively communicate what i was trying to say

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Heh. Hot Fuzz.

I mean, they weren't transgendered, but... Hot Fuzz, right?

Because I'm bothered by people *disagreeing* with me, amirite?

Sex is is often based on genitalia, but may sometimes be incorrect (women with XY, men with XX, or people with XYY, XXY, or other combinations).

Gender is a social construct that is commonly based on genitalia. There is some biological reinforcements to gender roles, but not all cultures are chained to 2 genders. Native Americans have/had "two-spirits" which are neither male nor female, as an example.

As for the actual "awareness" day, there are many children born with ambiguous genitalia which are often mutilated shortly after birth under the pretense of fitting under these gender roles. These children are more likely to not fit under traditional gender roles and may often disagree with the gender they were "assigned", but miss out on a terrible chance to follow their true gender, either as one of the two traditional roles or something outside of that mold because of a life changing surgery they had no say in.

From a purely reproductive standpoint, there are only two sexes (at least among humans). However, there are multiple genders, despite how many people may declare that there are only 2.

Myes, a partial misinterpretation of the meanings of 'sex' and 'gender' on my part caused a lot of the drama there. It's a poor excuse, I know, but english is actually not my first language.

The comment that sparked my interest in debating the issue was that people should be able to accept that there is more than two genders. Going by social constructs, I guess there is some truth in this statement.

I still think however, that the world is by *far* not ready yet to accept a third gender social construct. Heck, only by now women are starting receiving equal treatment, and even THAT is not yet completely true in all aprts of the world. How could you possibly expect from humanity to accept a third gender if the second gender is still being supressed?

I shall stand by my claim. Intersexed people should aim for acceptance not by trying to be a "third gender", but by convincing people to look at their being, without considering gender altogether.

Intersexed people are defined as those that are not rigidly male or female. Trying to have people look at them without considering their gender or sex is a contradiction, as then they would not be noticed at all?

Also, as I stated, intersex awareness is important due to the mutilation that goes on to fit babies into the rigid male/female social constructs.

I very much agree with that.
And there's a difference between 'considering' and 'judging by', which is what I tried to emphasize.

Oh, and as far as readiness. The world will never be ready by merely waiting. "Activists" are called such because they act.

So you're basically saying that the "third gender" classification is incidental to being treated like full citizens

that would have been so fucking obvious if you'd phrased it correctly that nobody could possibly argue with it

you could have even phrased it as a positive statement and they would have cheered you deaf

Incidental?
And no, that was the social statement that followed, which was indeed one of the points I was trying to make, but the other half of it, the scientific part of the whole 'third gender' bit, was the part where things went awry.

You're making the issue seem a little more simple than it really is. If it had been so easy, I would've indeed said that right off the mark, hehe.

Sometimes it gets too hard to resist not to reply to something. But I made a promise to Cherri and I intend to keep it, so...

... here's a quote.

Originally posted by neroangelo316
I'd just like to say to all the people out there who got a problem with other people, take the hate somewher eelse you only do this cause your on ther internet and there for remain annoymis thinking i can ge ta way with it, ya people actually sicken me i'm straight but i got budds that are gay both male and female they ain't no diffrent then you just cause of what they choose your gonna treat them lik ecrap. wow thats really pathetic. You should be a shamed to treat people like crap just casue they are diffrent honestly what is wrong with you just casue they make choices we all have the right to choose and you choose to be a jerk about it i hope ya get whats comin to ya maybe not to day maybe not tommorow but eventually the ritouse hand of judment from something will get ya an then hopefully that will straighten your ass out. These wise words shouild be taken to heart "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" yes yes I know its from transformers and its dumb to some poepl for me to quote a show/cartoon/movie whatever but Prime makes a valid point that freedom is the right of all sentient beings, there for you should respect others and stop treatin people like crap jsut for being diffrent. I get crap an for what casue i watch anime, yeah thats right i get crap at school casue i choose to watch cartoons that come from japan. Aparaently i offend people cause i decide to watch shows from japan, so if you people are gonna nitpick casue of the choices of others, may whatever deitiy you praise have mercy on your sorry ass soul.

Peace out from the Black angel!

All I can say is... whoa. What a rush.

I have a real hard time reading that. Consequentially, I find the Optimus Prime quote somewhat puzzling...

I put it up for comedic value, it was too hard to resist.

Here is a guy who has obviously not read a single word that the 'agressor' (that would be me, unfortunatly) has written, yet goes on to create a poorly spelled wall-of-text rambling post in which he quotes Optimus Prime.

Currently I'm fearing the ritouse hand of judment to come knocking on my door any day now.

I'll have to agree with you here. Though your discussion may have been out of place, you did rather well to remain civil. It is quite a few other people that started frothing at the mouth because they couldn't continue a discussion.

I want you to know that I'm not upset at you. You were only trying to express both sides of an issue. The only thing that upset me was that the pic wasn't an invitation to do so.

It really wasn't anyone's fault in particular, and I'm glad it's all over and that people acted like adults (save for a few) about it all.

I wouldn't have had any problem with it if it were, say, in a forum or whatnot, I just felt like I was harboring heated arguements by proxy.

Please don't feel upset or anything, I know that your intentions weren't what resulted. =3 *hugs*

-Cherri

D'aw. Well that eases my mind somewhat.
In another journal Faeon suggested I'd give you a cookie to cheer you up. So I made you one.

/gives cookie

It's made from grinded Marines. A personal favorite.

Personally I agree with most if not all of the points you made, and while I also am forced to agree it was not the best place to engage in that discussion, I think that a lot of the issues arose out of overreaction to the subject, so it wasn't entirely your fault, and you did far better than I would have at containing it and keeping it completely civil. Good job.