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17 years ago
that would be great and gain more users...
If they finally put up a fucking rule that Nazi-drawings or Nazi-signs are forbidden.
I had put it up on the forum, and once again stuff was put on the easy shoulder.
NO, it's a serious problem,
http://www.furaffinityforums.net/sh......php?tid=15813
even if ya say once again "just cuz I draw a Nazi dress I am not a Nazi myself" or "I like the style of the suits"
I tell ya something, if ya say such stuff, ya are more Nazi than any real Nazi, cuz you have let your mind get seduced by the ideas and signs and whatnot...and it won't take long until ya join the scene for more stuff.
Myself I have come through this, fortunately, cuz of people around me and all that from which I learned what that had meant and what it still means, secondly I have that Neo-Nazi stuff in Living Color here, in Saxony, in Germany.
and I won't tolerate it, until we still can do something against the Nazism we should do it.
And that would mean a Ban....or at least a rule that says:
"If ya need to draw a Nazi-Uniform or Nazi-signs whatsoever. Show up it's not to show off the cool Nazism, show off that you are against it."
We can't hide history, yes, but we can prevent that it happens again, and even if it would be a small big step to ban or forbid it on FA, it's still one of the best things FA could ever do.
If they finally put up a fucking rule that Nazi-drawings or Nazi-signs are forbidden.
I had put it up on the forum, and once again stuff was put on the easy shoulder.
NO, it's a serious problem,
http://www.furaffinityforums.net/sh......php?tid=15813
even if ya say once again "just cuz I draw a Nazi dress I am not a Nazi myself" or "I like the style of the suits"
I tell ya something, if ya say such stuff, ya are more Nazi than any real Nazi, cuz you have let your mind get seduced by the ideas and signs and whatnot...and it won't take long until ya join the scene for more stuff.
Myself I have come through this, fortunately, cuz of people around me and all that from which I learned what that had meant and what it still means, secondly I have that Neo-Nazi stuff in Living Color here, in Saxony, in Germany.
and I won't tolerate it, until we still can do something against the Nazism we should do it.
And that would mean a Ban....or at least a rule that says:
"If ya need to draw a Nazi-Uniform or Nazi-signs whatsoever. Show up it's not to show off the cool Nazism, show off that you are against it."
We can't hide history, yes, but we can prevent that it happens again, and even if it would be a small big step to ban or forbid it on FA, it's still one of the best things FA could ever do.
Hitler was a little emo paranoid shit that tried to make his imaginary friends fight his enemies, and subverted a very beautiful faith for his own sick means.
I for one, use the symbols myself (or at least am learning how to), and am quite pissed off that I have to watch where I'd use certain ones like a swastika(a symbol of peace and good luck) or a Sowilo (better known for the S.S. mark, but actually a symbol of victory and of the sun's power) because someone would call me a racist.
Also, if we're banning "nazi signs" does that mean I can't write the runes anywhere in my work? And the signs themselves, like I said before, aren't based in hate, they're magic. They were taken for their magical meanings. Banning the symbols themselves will not stop the hate, only education on the true meanings of the runes, and the true story of what has happened, will put a dent in this sort of thing, and expose it for what it actually is: Stupid and weak people looking for a way to hate someone.
So are you going to let them take that power for their purposes?
Or are you going to help take it back for our own purposes?
Forgive me for getting a little bit off the uniforms topic of it, but, going back to that:
People like military stuff because they just do.
If people are spouting racist shit, then they should be kicked in the head until they're better.
If people are looking at a guy in a uniform and saying "hey that's sexy", then they should be given a hanky and some privacy.
If I wore a Soviet uniform would I become a rapist and killer of children? If I wore an American uniform would I become an oppressor and destroyer of the world?
Think of how ridiculous that sounds, because that's exactly what you are getting at.
The uniforms were sharp, but you don't have to wear the swastika to look cool. Anyone who does that probably likes more than just the uniform. As for artwork, I have made friends with someone who did a few bits of that type of art. I looked passed it because he seemed to me to be a good person. Maybe I don't agree with his choice of subject, but I wouldn't want him to be banned.
We al hate nazism man, but come on, blame it to the suits and the drawings it's like blame a gun for shooting a person instead of blaming the person who shoot. I tell you something, abut Nazism we should just ignore it, it's not going to return, among other things because the people of the world will never let it happen. But worry about it in a community dedicated to furry art? This sounds more like a drama starter than the beggining of a serious discussion on a subject nobody cares about anymore but the people who are afraid of it.
I AM from Germany and know how it really is.....and believe me.....nobody would ever like it....
but since nobody tries to understand how it really is....and since stupid blabbing americans with no brain post idiot comments and so on.....there is no chance of ever.......really stopping this, unfortunately....
By the way, if you keep insisting in calling me american, I will kick your ass, I am spanish!
For not blaming the nazism you pretty much hate it. I recomend you stop hating stuff, you know? Einstein said once that people become in the image of what they hate. That's why I try not to hate many stuff, I don't want to become any of that.
Nazis suck (not the good way). I'm from germany too and I too know what I'm saying. But believe me, there are much better ways to handle this than trying to start censorship campaigns on porn sites (some folks already pointed out the irony here; an irony that hits so hard, that I almost can't believe you mean all this seriously).
Really... drawing Nazi-Uniforms and stuff? Who gives a shit. I personally think Uniforms a way hot, that doesn't mean I vote Schäuble because I want to see more of them on the streets ;) or makes me automagically more prone to an "Autoritärer Charakter" than anybody else, wtf! Point is: I'm happy if I don't have to see Nazi stuff all over this place (not only because here in germany we got enough of this stuff already), but that doesn't mean I have to ruin it for everybody else.
So... It's perfectly understandable that you are bored or even annoyed with all this, but you will eventually get over it and censoring stuff doesn't solve anything. You just look dumb and worst, you're throwing a bad light on those who takes antifascism seriously. Better try some of this: http://www.letsfightwhitepride.de/ or other similar stuff or get a new haircut or whatever, but stop doing what you're doing, it just ain't delivers.
PS: Seeing you're from Saxony... Sincere condolences ;) It's easy to say for me, that there are better ways, I'm from one of the greater cities in western germany and Nazis had a hard time to get root here.
Well they are starting to spread in the last months but it's all just in the beginning and easy to fight back or controll (so far). They spread mostly in the suburbs or villages in the countryside. Guess urbanism and nationalism doesn't mix that well. Anyway, of course they show up at shows too, but they get beaten up every time...
Living in Saxony might be a whole different thing. I don't want to get all "Westler-Snob", like Leipzig is a shining perl of enlightenment and emanzipation and the rest (ok, maybe except Dresden) is just the wild east with Nazis running on Dinosaurs hand in hand with old Linkspartei SED freaks... But I think I hear you.
PPS: Anyway you're argumentation still sucks hard. And after reading hyenahyena's jounal entry about your closet-case homo theories (how could you be against fascism? It's hard to get more to the core of facism than you do)... BTW: What's with you that everything had to do with getting all changed trough looking at things... and why for dipshits sake you're hanging around FA, if you believe in what you're saying... wierd.
Anyway, now I feel stupid posting such long-ass reply. Infected with Homo-Genes by looking at gaysecks?! You made my day.
if we start banning something cause it is "wrong" then where do we stop, if we ban "nazi" stuff, then soon, other things will be banned,
now i am not "pro-nazi" or "neo-nazi", infact i hate nazi's, but i think that history is just that, history, as long as we learn from it, then it has served it propose
so i say let the "nazi" stuff in, as long as we accept it as pictures, then it has no power over us